Guild Wars 2

I think the nerf was implemented because you could set a macro to attack and cancel the auto attack causing it to hit really fast, and if you pair this with the incoming axe trait, your axe skills would always be off cooldown. But they should have tackled it a different way and reinbursed the weapon with SOMETHING. And dat animation…still terrible.

It’s kind of bizarre on my human necro. Looks like my char is blocking with the axe rather than attacking with it.

yeah, the weapon needs a total rework. animations notwithstanding. I really want to like this weapon, too, but taking it over dagger and especially greatsword is just not gonna happen.

I also despise the new “sway abit left, then sway abit right” with human female necromancer…

I really liked the old “slash down then slash up” (or was it “slash left then slash up” or rigth then up) animation, it had more punch.

You know what’s messed up? Nerf is relatively minor, but the amount of people who chose NOW to stop using axe kind of makes me think that the real reason that ANYONE used the axe was cause of Fashion Wars 2™.

Really kinda sad that aesthetics was the only reason some people used it and only now do we realize there’s no reason to use it at all.

Kholdstare.9608:

You know what’s messed up? Nerf is relatively minor, but the amount of people who chose NOW to stop using axe kind of makes me think that the real reason that ANYONE used the axe was cause of Fashion Wars 2™.

Really kinda sad that aesthetics was the only reason some people used it and only now do we realize there’s no reason to use it at all.

I used it for a bit because I recently finished making Frostfang. Then this change hit and Frostfang has been sitting in my inventory ever since. I’d move it to my Ranger if she didn’t have a fire motif going with her armor and weapons. My Warrior isn’t 80 yet, so that’s a no-go as well.

What I find most surprising was that this many people used and cared about axe in the first place lol.

spoj.9672:

What I find most surprising was that this many people used and cared about axe in the first place lol.

Im not sure why. Playstyles, looks etc are an integral part of why ppl play gw2. A considerably large portion of the population wont follow metas and viable builds. The old axe was fun to use for me. Cant say the same for dagger despite its advantages.

Instead of staff for power necro in pvp I take axe/dagger so it’s an issue for me x(

I’ve seen other power necros with axe as well. I mainly use it to get rid of the immune to first condi on engis, and combo axe 2 with weapon swap sigils and other things. axe 3 is mainly for peeling off because it has a nice range to it. It is also a good indicator if there are stealthed enemies nearby. I use axe 1 in certain situations, but it doesn’t feel worth it anymore. Fix the animation doe pls.

spoj.9672:

What I find most surprising was that this many people used and cared about axe in the first place lol.

Axe might be a kitten weapon, but we also have staff, an equally kitten weapon in power builds. So when it comes down to battle of the least awful yeah Axe wins sometimes.

Staff may be kitten awful but it at least has 1200 range and some AOE spam.

And if you don’t need that, there’s axe.

Kholdstare.9608:

You know what’s messed up? Nerf is relatively minor, but the amount of people who chose NOW to stop using axe kind of makes me think that the real reason that ANYONE used the axe was cause of Fashion Wars 2™.

Really kinda sad that aesthetics was the only reason some people used it and only now do we realize there’s no reason to use it at all.

To be honest the old animation is pretty good I just settle down for it in power build I don’t feel like jumping on the staff train when I just started to stop using it in condition spec,#2 & #3 are decent the purpose of AA is just terrible the new Axe Mastery too just terrible.

It’s not like I cared too much for the old animation, but this one has lots of issues.

First of, the animation makes it look like all you do is flail the axe around in the air, and not specifically slice against your target. It looks right trough dumb when fighting with axe.

Second, off-hand weapon magically disappears when casting main hand Rending Claws, but then re-appears when casting other axe abilities

and third, doesn’t this pose look way unnatural? Can’t even see her face as she faces the ground mid-animation for some weird reason

Please change the current axe attack animations…they look really awkward.

This horror should never be forgotten.
Up.

My asura used to give her all when auto-attacking with axe 1. Nowadays she’s just listless. Please bring back the jump animation!

I really miss my awesome Asura axe animation.

Looks horrible, and is not even working properly. Surely the off-hand is not meant to disappear.

Necromancer skill updates….“Rending Claws: The animation for this skill no longer hides your offhand.”
Does this mean necro is keeping this crap animation forever? :/ so disappointing.

So… any sort of idea/ update on when anet is going to sort this? cos animation STILL sucks..
I hope they didn’t expect fans to just forget about this when the new traits n stuff came out.

We all ask for the old GREAT animation.
Please don’t forget to fix that.

Up!

+1 for a hopeful fix to the skills too..

Shukriyya.7629:

My asura used to give her all when auto-attacking with axe 1. Nowadays she’s just listless. Please bring back the jump animation!

The sylvari one looked so beautifully fierce. i miss it =(

We can’t let this die ~

Narrrz.7532:

We can’t let this die ~

Even Zhaitan would have a hard time bringing Axe back from the dead.

meow one twenty.4376:

Narrrz.7532:

We can’t let this die ~

Even Zhaitan would have a hard time bringing Axe back from the dead.

Not even Palawa Joko can bring back axe from the dead =[

Necros gather, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my ban. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the axe in the darkness. I am the watcher on the axe. I am the dumbfire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that dazes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of grenth. I pledge my life and honor to the Axe’s Watch, for this night and all the nerfs to come.

I think they should just scrap its current skill set and turn it into a melee bleed weapon… Lots of bleed.

I’m impressed. I gave up on this issue a while ago. Glad to see people keeping the issue alive

Xecil.2798:

I think they should just scrap its current skill set and turn it into a melee bleed weapon… Lots of bleed.

should make axe the condi based weappon and scepter the power weappon

Narrrz.7532:

We can’t let this die ~

Did you think we had forgotten?!
Did you think we had forgiven?
Behold now, the terrible grammar of the forums!
Death to the nerfs, and death to the new animation!

But really, pls, don’t let this thread die. There’s a weapon out there that none can use. Halp

I would like to see axes fixed. I’m looking forward to making a reaper when HoT comes out that uses a lot of LF, but I have no idea on my second weapon because it needs to be semi-ranged and staff is iffy. If they fix axe so its 1 and 3 are better, I’d be a happy mancer.

Eneldiar.9670:

I would like to see axes fixed. I’m looking forward to making a reaper when HoT comes out that uses a lot of LF, but I have no idea on my second weapon because it needs to be semi-ranged and staff is iffy. If they fix axe so its 1 and 3 are better, I’d be a happy mancer.

You still use staff like every necro spec unless they magically boost axe range to match. They have that “it will be OP” mentality with necro on almost everything.

I won’t be using staff. I don’t care if I end up going full melee with dagger and GS I won’t be using staff until the weapon isn’t a boring PoS to use that’s been gutted because of condi builds.

Bhawb.7408:

I won’t be using staff. I don’t care if I end up going full melee with dagger and GS I won’t be using staff until the weapon isn’t a boring PoS to use that’s been gutted because of condi builds.

Tbh even on condi it’s not so attractive that’s why one suggestion was allowing Dhummfire to work on it’s AA it’s better than scepter ironically so paired with d/WH it’s what we have to settle down for.

Axe needs at least the following :

A little damage boost on #1.
A pretty good dmg boost on #2 putting it only slightly behind similar skills cause i generates LF (although those other skills do stuff like generate vuln, so…).

Bump #1 and #2 to 900 range (this is a MUST and should have been done 2 1/2 years ago instead of putting it at 600 range with the stupidass “well we cannot make an AE 900 radius and the overall attacklength should match the AA…” excuse. There is a lot of weapons out there with different ranges on their skills.)

Fix the animation to look like before and fix the canceling in another way. As in “just put weapon sheathing on a kittening ICD after skilluse”.

#3… dunno, could be a blastfinisher, but Anet completely looses their kitten everytime anyone tries to bring up getting a blast finisher on Necro, so that one will never happen (not that the others will).

Those would fix Axe (imho). I don’t really see a use for a 600 range weapon when attack ranges of most bosses or enemies you would want to range are bigger (eg. you cannot hit that one Boss from CoF storymode without entering his burning aura with axe; you cannot attack jade maw tentacles from outside their attack range; you propably won’t even be able to hit the wyvern from, HoT beta if it tries to take flight without standing directly below it and thus in it’s fire-field-crossfire).

Shiki.7148:

Axe needs at least the following :

A little damage boost on #1.
A pretty good dmg boost on #2 putting it only slightly behind similar skills cause i generates LF (although those other skills do stuff like generate vuln, so…).

Bump #1 and #2 to 900 range (this is a MUST and should have been done 2 1/2 years ago instead of putting it at 600 range with the stupidass “well we cannot make an AE 900 radius and the overall attacklength should match the AA…” excuse. There is a lot of weapons out there with different ranges on their skills.)

Fix the animation to look like before and fix the canceling in another way. As in “just put weapon sheathing on a kittening ICD after skilluse”.

#3… dunno, could be a blastfinisher, but Anet completely looses their kitten everytime anyone tries to bring up getting a blast finisher on Necro, so that one will never happen (not that the others will).

Those would fix Axe (imho). I don’t really see a use for a 600 range weapon when attack ranges of most bosses or enemies you would want to range are bigger (eg. you cannot hit that one Boss from CoF storymode without entering his burning aura with axe; you cannot attack jade maw tentacles from outside their attack range; you propably won’t even be able to hit the wyvern from, HoT beta if it tries to take flight without standing directly below it and thus in it’s fire-field-crossfire).

and in this last patch they boost ranger, warrior and engi weappon range but necro is forever forgotten

A little damage boost? Axe autoattack needs at least 900 range and close to a 50% damage increase.

Also remove retal from it, retal is useless as a boon, especially in PvE. Give it something useful like vigor or fury per opponent hit.

Zenith.7301:

A little damage boost? Axe autoattack needs at least 900 range and close to a 50% damage increase.

Also remove retal from it, retal is useless as a boon, especially in PvE. Give it something useful like vigor or fury per opponent hit.

From PvP point of view you will facetank a lot so it’s not useless it’s not a negative of the weapon everything else is.

Sagat.3285:

Zenith.7301:

A little damage boost? Axe autoattack needs at least 900 range and close to a 50% damage increase.

Also remove retal from it, retal is useless as a boon, especially in PvE. Give it something useful like vigor or fury per opponent hit.

From PvP point of view you will facetank a lot so it’s not useless it’s not a negative of the weapon everything else is.

A weapon shouldn’t have a skill that’s only useful in a pvp setting. Retaliation as a boon needs rethinking. It’s just this weird clone of confusion.

Zenith.7301:

Sagat.3285:

Zenith.7301:

A little damage boost? Axe autoattack needs at least 900 range and close to a 50% damage increase.

Also remove retal from it, retal is useless as a boon, especially in PvE. Give it something useful like vigor or fury per opponent hit.

From PvP point of view you will facetank a lot so it’s not useless it’s not a negative of the weapon everything else is.

A weapon shouldn’t have a skill that’s only useful in a pvp setting. Retaliation as a boon needs rethinking. It’s just this weird clone of confusion.

Why take away something that is useful for PvP just because it doesn’t benefit you as much as others? That’s pretty selfish.

Zenith.7301:

Sagat.3285:

Zenith.7301:

A little damage boost? Axe autoattack needs at least 900 range and close to a 50% damage increase.

Also remove retal from it, retal is useless as a boon, especially in PvE. Give it something useful like vigor or fury per opponent hit.

From PvP point of view you will facetank a lot so it’s not useless it’s not a negative of the weapon everything else is.

A weapon shouldn’t have a skill that’s only useful in a pvp setting. Retaliation as a boon needs rethinking. It’s just this weird clone of confusion.

You missed a very big thing right there…the problem is not necro it’s PvE. There is always a optimal set anyway.

meow one twenty.4376:

Zenith.7301:

Sagat.3285:

Zenith.7301:

A little damage boost? Axe autoattack needs at least 900 range and close to a 50% damage increase.

Also remove retal from it, retal is useless as a boon, especially in PvE. Give it something useful like vigor or fury per opponent hit.

From PvP point of view you will facetank a lot so it’s not useless it’s not a negative of the weapon everything else is.

A weapon shouldn’t have a skill that’s only useful in a pvp setting. Retaliation as a boon needs rethinking. It’s just this weird clone of confusion.

Why take away something that is useful for PvP just because it doesn’t benefit you as much as others? That’s pretty selfish.

It doesn’t “benefit me as much”. It doesn’t benefit me at all, it’s worthless. And the retal is worthless in pvp still compared to other more powerful boons.

You strike me as one of those people who thought a retaliation mesmer build was a good idea.

Zenith.7301:

meow one twenty.4376:

Zenith.7301:

Sagat.3285:

Zenith.7301:

A little damage boost? Axe autoattack needs at least 900 range and close to a 50% damage increase.

Also remove retal from it, retal is useless as a boon, especially in PvE. Give it something useful like vigor or fury per opponent hit.

From PvP point of view you will facetank a lot so it’s not useless it’s not a negative of the weapon everything else is.

A weapon shouldn’t have a skill that’s only useful in a pvp setting. Retaliation as a boon needs rethinking. It’s just this weird clone of confusion.

Why take away something that is useful for PvP just because it doesn’t benefit you as much as others? That’s pretty selfish.

It doesn’t “benefit me as much”. It doesn’t benefit me at all, it’s worthless. And the retal is worthless in pvp still compared to other more powerful boons.

You strike me as one of those people who thought a retaliation mesmer build was a good idea.

It used to be a thing on guardian but got gutted mesmer is too glass for that necro facetanks more than warrior so it fits vs players there is just lack of uptime retaliation possible on necro at least without garbage trait and weapon. Anyway let’s stick to axe animation since even that became garbage.

Zenith.7301:

meow one twenty.4376:

Zenith.7301:

Sagat.3285:

Zenith.7301:

A little damage boost? Axe autoattack needs at least 900 range and close to a 50% damage increase.

Also remove retal from it, retal is useless as a boon, especially in PvE. Give it something useful like vigor or fury per opponent hit.

From PvP point of view you will facetank a lot so it’s not useless it’s not a negative of the weapon everything else is.

A weapon shouldn’t have a skill that’s only useful in a pvp setting. Retaliation as a boon needs rethinking. It’s just this weird clone of confusion.

Why take away something that is useful for PvP just because it doesn’t benefit you as much as others? That’s pretty selfish.

It doesn’t “benefit me as much”. It doesn’t benefit me at all, it’s worthless. And the retal is worthless in pvp still compared to other more powerful boons.

You strike me as one of those people who thought a retaliation mesmer build was a good idea.

Retaliation on a Mesmer? That’s almost as scrub as being serious about PvE on a Necro.

Ugh, Sagat you’re right. Frankly, the current animation is an embarrassment to the design team + balance team coordination.

Zenith.7301:

A little damage boost? Axe autoattack needs at least 900 range and close to a 50% damage increase.

this forever. I’ve suggested before, add a third hit to make it a chain like warrior axe 1 (but at range; just use their animation)

skill #2 could be alright but as people have stated it should be a whirl finisher. i suggest 3-5 targets in an area around the focused target.
Also axe and dagger #2 should give the ‘need a target’ error if you try to use the skill without one/in range.
3 could be a blast finisher; i’m not sure what else you could do without completely changing the skill

Kholdstare.9608:

Narrrz.7532:

We can’t let this die ~

Did you think we had forgotten?!
Did you think we had forgiven?
Behold now, the terrible grammar of the forums!
Death to the nerfs, and death to the new animation!

Putress is that you?

Axe 2 should get the cast time reduction treatment of rapid fire.

Dagger 2 should be a background channel that once you press starts casting but you are able to do other things. Make it 600 range aoe, it will add considerable sustain to a necromancer getting trained.

Dagger 3 should pull the mob to the necro and immobilize them. Reduce the cast time it’s so hilariously long just like the focus 5.