Blatant class favoritism
Link to other thread that was ignored by ANet
Oh Did the other children get a response and you didn’t? Here, have a cookie.
Seriously, we got enough response for now, they said they are working on the bugs and that is fine for now. Complains about posts in the forum are not helping. In fact, if they were only takign care of the forums they couldn’t fix anything.
get over it.
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this thread will be closed but i do agree with u, this link is just another exaple of that :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/The-thief-and-its-gameplay-Your-feedback
A brilliant game to begin with – ruined and destroyed further day by day by the most disgraceful developer service team I ever experienced.
The devs aren’t bad, they are a bit annoying with how quite they can be (why makes sense though), but they aren’t bad.
GW2 was released half finished so they are kittening overloaded with things to do atm making little, working, things not the biggest priority.
I’ve seen far worse dev teams in every way.
If anything the random push for outing the game on august 28th was the worst thing to happen to GW2, it stopped PvP from evolving into a better setup and meta… it stopped PvP from being released, for the most part, bug free and with the required tools, it stopped the developers from being able to focus on the after release balancing/perfecting since they have to catch up on a few dozen things they were supposed to do half a year ago.
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Are you working there? Otherwise I must think you are just speculating cause the TO just proved your theory wrong…
TO?
And how?
How is the fact that they fixed phantasms not working, a bug that made phantasms randomly miss attacks that clearly should have hit… showing favoritism…
That’s comparable to the trap bug that came in after a few patches ago… within a few hours it was reverted and devs commented saying it was all allright…
Shortbow was a dmg nerf, the weapon got hit from being something you could run around spamming at anyone and win most fights to a more condition weapon. The ranger class is such a mess with power based weapons since there are good specs floating around… if you spec into pet dmg and run 2 birds you can pull off 10-15k spikes in a few seconds, spikes near undodgeable because of the bird’s quarky animations… its brutal.
Fixing the class isn’t as simple as bumping up a few dmg numbers. It will take allot of changes and testing (since that’s the type of dev team Anet has shown themselves to be, slow but progressive) and with everything else that needs doing and the holiday season coming up that probably isn’t going to happen too soon.
As they said.
There are more important things than making rangers top tier viable, they have to actually pull a game out of the gutter after it was launched with hundreds of bugs and no competitive PvP.
If I were John, even if it was my job, why would I come into a forum where I get ripped daily? He can continue with the work on Ranger without the aggrevation of dealing with a community that has called you names and referred to you as a LIAR.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think the way they communicated could have been better but being human, why go engage in a place you’re disliked?
I just wish we wern’t led on and you know they could of said “Sorry the updates you were expecting got delayed a little bit but fret not we haven’t forgot you. Our mistake.” or better communication in general. even if they just pounded on the keyboard like so “a;kjsdhflakudjsaljkdshg ;awoeut” so we know that they are here.
Ranger aren’t a FotM class.
They have to please the mass, and the mass don’t play Ranger/Engineer/Necromancer.
They play FotM class. Since Warrior and Guardian are balanced, they don’t post.
But Thief/Elem/Mesmer get a crazy amount of communication from Dev.
Just check the Elem forum, they had like 4 threads for them this week. Live debug also.
Necro AI minions are bugged since release, they didn’t get a single word about it.
I just wish we had more communication on non-FotM sub forum.
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If I were John, even if it was my job, why would I come into a forum where I get ripped daily? He can continue with the work on Ranger without the aggrevation of dealing with a community that has called you names and referred to you as a LIAR.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think the way they communicated could have been better but being human, why go engage in a place you’re disliked?
All he or “someone” had to do was come in here after the last patch and make a statement. The longer something like that takes, the quicker the constructive discussion goes down the tubes until people are left with a perminent bad taste in their mouthes.
Read through his thread, note the dates, and watch how it deteriorates. More importantly, note all the numerous threads which has contained tons of constructive feedback to help the devs.
Rangers are one of the classes that needs the most improvement. Something that he said himself. Yet we’re creeping up on a month with zero communication in the Ranger forums and 2 months of waiting for any decent fixes….
Honestly, how long does it take to type a paragraph or two to keep your player base from giving up on the game? Unless you are typing with your feet, I’m going to say it shouldn’t take long at all.
Preventitive maintenance.
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If I were John, even if it was my job, why would I come into a forum where I get ripped daily? He can continue with the work on Ranger without the aggrevation of dealing with a community that has called you names and referred to you as a LIAR.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think the way they communicated could have been better but being human, why go engage in a place you’re disliked?
Because it’s his JOB. When I use to work retail, I would have people in my face sometimes, I can’t just walk away and not help, it’s my job to answer their questions and to assist them.
If he had ponied up and apologized instead of giving a lame excuse then that would have been more acceptable…Look, I’m not looking for an argument because this horse has been beaten to death and we’re still kicking the carcass around, but I’ll ask you to do one thing, then come back here and answer me if you honestly feel like we where treated equally to all the other classes that you see him post in.
Here is his link:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JonPeters-5630/showposts
Read all of his posts, they are all informative, fairly detailed, he tells them when it’s going in and actually puts it in. He seems to stay on top of the post a couple of times and ask’s for information or number’s so he can compare. Then you come accross a post that looks more like an excuse then anything else, click on it, it’s the ranger forum. go back, keep on searching through his posts and you’ll see more informative posts and posts where he is testing stuff for people. If you look at what he has posted here, it’s a joke. First he comes on here creating a new thread, not answering any of the existing threads which makes be think that he hasn’t bothered reading any of our threads. Then we all post positive stuff onto that thread of his because we’re all happy that we are getting some fixes. Then his second post is like ‘wow, this thread has really blown up’ or something to that idea, which simply reads, yea, I don’t read your forum and I’m surprised how many people have posted here. Then patch day comes and we get an excuse!
Read the mods, all other forums get warnings, please stay on topic. Ranger forum get’s closed with no warning or in some instances that I have seen, DELETED.
I have already come to acknowledge that I am GW2’s red headed stepchild, you should come to that realization as well.
Oh Did the other children get a response and you didn’t? Here, have a cookie.
Seriously, we got enough response for now, they said they are working on the bugs and that is fine for now. Complains about posts in the forum are not helping. In fact, if they were only takign care of the forums they couldn’t fix anything.
get over it.
Oh you’re one of those guys who loves his blissful ignorance and eats up everything he’s told, right?
Seriously, the response is just candy handed out to satisfy you. The reds have had MULTIPLE chances to comment on this bug and have avoided it, 100g says this is NOT a bug they are planning to fix.
I just want to know why, fully support the OP here
If I were John, even if it was my job, why would I come into a forum where I get ripped daily? He can continue with the work on Ranger without the aggrevation of dealing with a community that has called you names and referred to you as a LIAR.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think the way they communicated could have been better but being human, why go engage in a place you’re disliked?
Because it’s his JOB. When I use to work retail, I would have people in my face sometimes, I can’t just walk away and not help, it’s my job to answer their questions and to assist them.
If he had ponied up and apologized instead of giving a lame excuse then that would have been more acceptable…Look, I’m not looking for an argument because this horse has been beaten to death and we’re still kicking the carcass around, but I’ll ask you to do one thing, then come back here and answer me if you honestly feel like we where treated equally to all the other classes that you see him post in.
Here is his link:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JonPeters-5630/showpostsRead all of his posts, they are all informative, fairly detailed, he tells them when it’s going in and actually puts it in. He seems to stay on top of the post a couple of times and ask’s for information or number’s so he can compare. Then you come accross a post that looks more like an excuse then anything else, click on it, it’s the ranger forum. go back, keep on searching through his posts and you’ll see more informative posts and posts where he is testing stuff for people. If you look at what he has posted here, it’s a joke. First he comes on here creating a new thread, not answering any of the existing threads which makes be think that he hasn’t bothered reading any of our threads. Then we all post positive stuff onto that thread of his because we’re all happy that we are getting some fixes. Then his second post is like ‘wow, this thread has really blown up’ or something to that idea, which simply reads, yea, I don’t read your forum and I’m surprised how many people have posted here. Then patch day comes and we get an excuse!
Read the mods, all other forums get warnings, please stay on topic. Ranger forum get’s closed with no warning or in some instances that I have seen, DELETED.
I have already come to acknowledge that I am GW2’s red headed stepchild, you should come to that realization as well.
This ^
Send them a cake, it worked for us.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/The-cake-is-not-a-lie/first
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I remember that thread, and it was cute, but its different with rangers.
Necros are just as neglected as us, yes, and as ignored as us yes,
but rangers are straight up ABUSED by the devs.
You don’t send that uncle that beat you a cake
You report him to the police and stay the **** away.
That’s how I feel about ANet right now.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/So-Gluttony-How-should-it-be-fixed
LOL
I go there for kitten and giggles and I see 3 posts from John Peters in the necro forums on the FIRST PAGE
Well I said it worked, but it only got their attention for 1 day.
Now we still have sooo many bug, one of them making minions useless.
But I agree, Ranger have it worse then us.
I feel for you guys!
Don’t give up!
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@Nuwen
One of them is a moderator post for closing a thread, the other is a 2 month old thread.
I agree tho we had some attention for glutonny!
It’s your turn now!
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To be honest, I do not believe the devs are that bad, and I certainly do not believe they are “discriminating” against Ranger.
However, due to the wonky balance of Rangers in a game where Warriors can use all the weapons of Ranger and more (save for Shortbow), I do understand they’re very cautious about their replies because everything they say goes on the Dev Tracker!
I used to think that too Kain, but look at this thread. Look at the feedback and communication in the other class forums and then ours.
Akisame has the best post so far, and he should be the OP. I have only rage, and poor mind to paper skills.
Thanks for the support Kar
They are afraid of us. In this part of forums the laws of nature still apply and now that many rangers hunger for dev flesh, they dare not to venture here.
Worst devs i’ve ever seen…..would only make since that their main characters get the attention they deserve.
I support this thread.
Also in before it gets closed or more like deleted. Can’t have any evidence left behind.
Edit: ArenaNet should take a lesson from John Smedley over at Sony. https://twitter.com/j_smedley It’s awesome how he gets involved with the community.
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I support this thread.
Also in before it gets closed or more like deleted. Can’t have any evidence left behind.
Edit: ArenaNet should take a lesson from John Smedley over at Sony. https://twitter.com/j_smedley It’s awesome how he gets involved with the community.
Games hate admitting that they completely kittened up.
Anet completely kittened up on their release schedule, and now they either have to comment on 90% of the “DO THIS NOW” threads saying “sorry we are working on something that should have been in at launch and don’t want to do any major changes in that area of the game since the game is playable in those regards and we don’t want the chance of any more major issues with regards to that until we have more manpower to ensure that the patch is well tested and entirely progressive” that or just be quite.
Neither are good options, both are going to piss people off, being quiet stops the chance at posts being brutalized by the forums as they rave about how they are doing things wrong, even from implications (intended or not)….
Its a more conservative approach but you can’t expect tooo much more from a company.
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What an immature thread.
The reason he was posting on the mesmer forums is likely because the phantasm issue is a lot more game breaking since it’s affecting every weapon combination and is a central class mechanic.
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Well to the guy that mentions Mesmer Phantasims missing, a bug that needed fixing for sure and fast…
Rangers have had a bug since before beta that at times prevents them from hitting ANYTHING with a bow…
I can have a target in range and miss every skill, or that one skill that may have alowed me to win, fix it please.
What an immature thread.
The reason he was posting on the mesmer forums is likely because the phantasm issue is a lot more game breaking since it’s affecting every weapon combination and is a central class mechanic.
Pets are also a central class mechanic, and are currently much more broken than the phantasm issue.
Pets are also a central class mechanic, and are currently much more broken than the phantasm issue.
Nope…
I have won so many fights just because of my canines.
If their AI was fixed they would be blatantly OP.
A reliable on command aoe fear and immobilize in addition to 2~k dmg 2s knockdown and consistent 800~ auto attacks… that would be ridiculous…
Birds are also really good.
Spiders are decent, felines are decent.
A fair number of pets are underpowered or buggy but that’s not really a major issue since there are still many working good pets.
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And Jaguars. Don’t forget Jaguars.
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What an immature thread.
The reason he was posting on the mesmer forums is likely because the phantasm issue is a lot more game breaking since it’s affecting every weapon combination and is a central class mechanic.
Pets are also a central class mechanic, and are currently much more broken than the phantasm issue.
And I agree, but unlike phantasm delays, pet pathing and AI aren’t something that can be fixed by doing stopwatch tests and changing some variables.
Pets are also a central class mechanic, and are currently much more broken than the phantasm issue.
Nope…
I have won so many fights just because of my canines.
If their AI was fixed they would be blatantly OP.
A reliable on command aoe fear and immobilize in addition to 2~k dmg 2s knockdown and consistent 800~ auto attacks… that would be ridiculous…Birds are also really good.
Spiders are decent, felines are decent.
A fair number of pets are underpowered or buggy but that’s not really a major issue since there are still many working good pets.
Are you sure we’re playing the same game? Because I don’t think we are.
Are you sure we’re playing the same game? Because I don’t think we are.
If you play S/TPvP….
Yeah, then you don’t play pets well.
Its a tragedy, most rangers for some reason don’t… it could be partly why there is so much QQ around.
For birds, the raven F2, then swap for a second bird F2 can pull off 10~k spikes if you spec for it, every 16~ seconds to boot. That and they aoe swiftness and can hit moving targets so their dmg never really stops coming in.
Canines can kitten up an extremely good number of enemies if you know how to help set up their knockdowns, use their aoe fear/imob well and interrupt their stuff when you know it is wasted.
Spiders have ranged imobs and if you go for it, there is that trait for a cripple on spider F2, I’ve heard it is a 5s cripple on hit and spider F2s can have 3~ hits on them for a 15s cripple. Pretty powerful if you are into kiting, not many balls to the wall melee dps have answers to long duration movement impairment.
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Are you sure we’re playing the same game? Because I don’t think we are.
If you play S/TPvP….
Yeah, then you don’t play pets well.
Its a tragedy, most rangers for some reason don’t… it could be partly why there is so much QQ around.For birds, the raven F2, then swap for a second bird F2 can pull off 10~k spikes if you spec for it, every 16~ seconds to boot. That and they aoe swiftness and can hit moving targets so their dmg never really stops coming in.
Canines can kitten up an extremely good number of enemies if you know how to help set up their knockdowns, use their aoe fear/imob well and interrupt their stuff when you know it is wasted.
Spiders have ranged imobs and if you go for it, there is that trait for a cripple on spider F2, I’ve heard it is a 5s cripple on hit and spider F2s can have 3~ hits on them for a 15s cripple. Pretty powerful if you are into kiting, not many balls to the wall melee dps have answers to long duration movement impairment.
Oh trust me, I use my pets well. Well, when they actually listen to me when I give them orders or activate their abilities.
Because it’s his JOB. When I use to work retail, I would have people in my face sometimes, I can’t just walk away and not help, it’s my job to answer their questions and to assist them.
Technically, it’s not his job.
He’s a systems designer, not a community manager.
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we should form an agry mob.
Jeez, so many complaints in this thread. Now we need a complaint about the complaints so we’ve run full circle. Wait, I think I just fulfilled that.
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funny thing is i still dont think its class favortism, i think its more or less they are not 100% sure how to fix the things involving ranger since they were never working to begin with, mezmers they went from working to being broken…. we never had any of our issues in a “working” state… to paint this in another picture, mezmers went from living in a house to living on the street to back in their house. we were always living in the street and dont know what it would be like to be living in a house. im not sure what the aim of this whole thread is really, but if anyone else wants to join me for a moldy bread sandwitch that was found in the trash, and stand around the burning barrel come join me and we can talk about what it would be like if we lived in a house and had any thing working currectly for us at anypoint
If you want more old, open (never answered) threads on the same issue, here’s two more:
I wrote posts in a few of them, shortly after the “patch” of 7 October that broke the Shortbow; an answer never came. Most threads about this were simply deleted.
So yes, today, 7 December, it’s exactly two months since the QZ + SB bug was introduced. Not a word on it this bug from the developers. Ever. They only stated some things on the adjusted attack speed of the shortbow. A statement which (i) ignored the effects on highly reduced bleed stacks, and (ii) ignored the effect on QZ.
Never, ever, did anyone from Arenanet post anything on the QZ bug.
Longbow/Shortbow need buffs, pets need buffs, sword needs a fix…
And the guy who was supposed to be devving for us is over fixing mesmers.
But hey, at least we can contribute underwater now.
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Great, what more could you ask for.
Oh yeah I remember, fix the Ranger.
Funny thing is that other professions feel the same way about Ranger.
There was a specific thread in the Elementalist forum complaining about how many developer posts there had been on the Ranger forum when they barely had any dev posts on that forum. And complaining about the fact that the Ranger trap cooldown bug was fixed immedietly when the Elementalist bugs introduced by the last patch (missing finishers and the like) were not even acknowledged at the time.
And while I don’t recall a seperate thread on the subject, I remember a few complaints on the Engineer forum about how Ranger had a lot of dev interaction in general while Engineer hadn’t had a dev reply in more than a month.
The grass is always greener in another forum :p
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Funny thing is that other professions feel the same way about Ranger.
There was a specific thread in the Elementalist forum complaining about how many developer posts there had been on the Ranger forum when they barely had any dev posts on that forum. And complaining about the fact that the Ranger trap cooldown bug was fixed immedietly when the Elementalist bugs introduced by the last patch (missing finishers and the like) were not even acknowledged at the time.
And while I don’t recall a seperate thread on the subject, I remember a few complaints on the Engineer forum about how Ranger had a lot of dev interaction in general while Engineer hadn’t had a dev reply in more than a month.
The grass is always greener in another forum :p
Engineers and elementalists have nothing to whine about. Engineers are fun as hell to play, and elementalists have at least one extremely viable build.
Also, their classes aren’t even close to being as crippled as rangers are. Not to mention the last time a dev did post on these forums, it was full of empty promises.
Edit: ArenaNet should take a lesson from John Smedley over at Sony. https://twitter.com/j_smedley It’s awesome how he gets involved with the community.
OT, but a response to this:
Having played Vanguard, which is one of their titles, I beg to differ. A lot.
If I were John, even if it was my job, why would I come into a forum where I get ripped daily? He can continue with the work on Ranger without the aggrevation of dealing with a community that has called you names and referred to you as a LIAR.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think the way they communicated could have been better but being human, why go engage in a place you’re disliked?
Because it’s his JOB. When I use to work retail, I would have people in my face sometimes, I can’t just walk away and not help, it’s my job to answer their questions and to assist them.
If he had ponied up and apologized instead of giving a lame excuse then that would have been more acceptable…Look, I’m not looking for an argument because this horse has been beaten to death and we’re still kicking the carcass around, but I’ll ask you to do one thing, then come back here and answer me if you honestly feel like we where treated equally to all the other classes that you see him post in.
Here is his link:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JonPeters-5630/showpostsRead all of his posts, they are all informative, fairly detailed, he tells them when it’s going in and actually puts it in. He seems to stay on top of the post a couple of times and ask’s for information or number’s so he can compare. Then you come accross a post that looks more like an excuse then anything else, click on it, it’s the ranger forum. go back, keep on searching through his posts and you’ll see more informative posts and posts where he is testing stuff for people. If you look at what he has posted here, it’s a joke. First he comes on here creating a new thread, not answering any of the existing threads which makes be think that he hasn’t bothered reading any of our threads. Then we all post positive stuff onto that thread of his because we’re all happy that we are getting some fixes. Then his second post is like ‘wow, this thread has really blown up’ or something to that idea, which simply reads, yea, I don’t read your forum and I’m surprised how many people have posted here. Then patch day comes and we get an excuse!
Read the mods, all other forums get warnings, please stay on topic. Ranger forum get’s closed with no warning or in some instances that I have seen, DELETED.
I have already come to acknowledge that I am GW2’s red headed stepchild, you should come to that realization as well.
This ^
I cannot disagree with what you are saying. Just saying that it’s probably pretty uncomfortable for him but agree he should suck it up since much of this was caused by extremely poor communication.
If I were John, even if it was my job, why would I come into a forum where I get ripped daily? He can continue with the work on Ranger without the aggrevation of dealing with a community that has called you names and referred to you as a LIAR.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think the way they communicated could have been better but being human, why go engage in a place you’re disliked?
All he or “someone” had to do was come in here after the last patch and make a statement. The longer something like that takes, the quicker the constructive discussion goes down the tubes until people are left with a perminent bad taste in their mouthes.
Read through his thread, note the dates, and watch how it deteriorates. More importantly, note all the numerous threads which has contained tons of constructive feedback to help the devs.
Rangers are one of the classes that needs the most improvement. Something that he said himself. Yet we’re creeping up on a month with zero communication in the Ranger forums and 2 months of waiting for any decent fixes….Honestly, how long does it take to type a paragraph or two to keep your player base from giving up on the game? Unless you are typing with your feet, I’m going to say it shouldn’t take long at all.
Preventitive maintenance.
Agree totally. Not saying he shouldn’t do what’s right. Just saying that this is the forum where he faces the most criticism and much of that bed was made by him.
What an immature thread.
The reason he was posting on the mesmer forums is likely because the phantasm issue is a lot more game breaking since it’s affecting every weapon combination and is a central class mechanic.
Ranger pets aren’t a central class mechanic?
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What an immature thread.
The reason he was posting on the mesmer forums is likely because the phantasm issue is a lot more game breaking since it’s affecting every weapon combination and is a central class mechanic.
Ranger pets aren’t a central class mechanic?
Are they really necessary to kill anything?
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What an immature thread.
The reason he was posting on the mesmer forums is likely because the phantasm issue is a lot more game breaking since it’s affecting every weapon combination and is a central class mechanic.
Ranger pets aren’t a central class mechanic?
Are they really necessary to kill anything?
Are phantasms really necessary to kill anything?
I personally believe that there’s been a gag order put on JP not to communicate with this forum until the next patch or until the powers that be pull that order. Anything he says will probably get flamed unless it’s an ETA with specific fixes that we have all been waiting for. He’s can do no right in this forum right now so why make things worse. Don’t go in and make things worse if you can’t definately make things better. We will not be hearing from him until after the next major Ranger patch, if there is one.