Guild Wars 2

sinject.4607:

can we get this thread closed or moved to the profession balance board?

I wouldn’t mind it being moved to the balance board. Everyone can then pitch in!

Zero Day.2594:

sinject.4607:

can we get this thread closed or moved to the profession balance board?

I wouldn’t mind it being moved to the balance board. Everyone can then pitch in!

If that happens, we’re doomed.

What: Stealth
Why: It is apparently still OP. And…I must be a troll who didn’t like the various nerfs that took me away from total god/goddess mode… (god/dess? Or god-like? Meh.)

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

Whoever is defending the stealth system in GW2, is either trolling, or didn’t like the various nerfs that took him some steps away from total god-mode. The stealth system that is still far away from being fixed.

All I did was sneak over to the ranger forum to look for a good opponent. ._.

Arikyali.5804:

Zero Day.2594:

sinject.4607:

can we get this thread closed or moved to the profession balance board?

I wouldn’t mind it being moved to the balance board. Everyone can then pitch in!

If that happens, we’re doomed.

Bring me death, for it is better than a lifetime of torture.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Arikyali.5804:

Zero Day.2594:

sinject.4607:

can we get this thread closed or moved to the profession balance board?

I wouldn’t mind it being moved to the balance board. Everyone can then pitch in!

If that happens, we’re doomed.

Bring me death, for it is better than a lifetime of torture.

No! we must persevere! We will endure! We can dodge the bullets and adapt to the changes. We have come a long way, and cannot give up now!

We may dodge bullets, but not rapid fire.

nickxnickx.5401:

We may dodge bullets, but not rapid fire.

If only your name was Neo

Arikyali.5804:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Arikyali.5804:

Zero Day.2594:

sinject.4607:

can we get this thread closed or moved to the profession balance board?

I wouldn’t mind it being moved to the balance board. Everyone can then pitch in!

If that happens, we’re doomed.

Bring me death, for it is better than a lifetime of torture.

No! we must persevere! We will endure! We can dodge the bullets and adapt to the changes. We have come a long way, and cannot give up now!

You may dodge the bullets, but not the nerf bat. gg.

Originally by: Rentapest.6503

What: Backstab and other “stealth burst” skills.
Why: I’m sick of being hit repeatedly with 7-9k backstabs and being downed before you can even react. It’s rediculous! I’m running full PTV (Soldier) gear on my Ranger, and am still falling victim to backstab spam.
Suggestion: This ability simply needs a 20sec cooldown or so. This should also be applied to other Thief “stealth burst” skills. Surprise Shot, Tactical Strike, Backstab, Sneak Attack.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Backstab-Needs-a-Cooldown/first

Zero Day do you get owned THAT much by thieves? I can’t believe you spend so much time copying QQ threads.

johnpoc.8732:

Zero Day do you get owned THAT much by thieves? I can’t believe you spend so much time copying QQ threads.

This list is (supposed to be) a satire thread cataloging the endless flow of ridiculous suggestions for thieves. Although he and others document the posts, zero day and other thief mains are by no means proponents of the list compiled here.

johnpoc.8732:

Zero Day do you get owned THAT much by thieves? I can’t believe you spend so much time copying QQ threads.

Nerf the nerf collectors?

Oh dear what have we here

What: Nerf Wish List Thief Mains
Why: Their tears keep killing me with amusement.
Suggestion: Forum ban all Thief mains.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Nerf-Wish-list/page/8#post4475123

NinjaEd.3946:

johnpoc.8732:

Zero Day do you get owned THAT much by thieves? I can’t believe you spend so much time copying QQ threads.

Nerf the nerf collectors?

Oh dear what have we here

Originally by: johnpoc.8732

What: Zero Day.2594
Why: I can’t believe you spend so much time copying QQ threads.
Thread: um just look a few posts above…

My reaction – 1st picture.
johnproc – 2nd picture.

Zero Day.2594:

sinject.4607:

can we get this thread closed or moved to the profession balance board?

I wouldn’t mind it being moved to the balance board. Everyone can then pitch in!

i want this fire to burn bright or not at all

sinject.4607:

Zero Day.2594:

sinject.4607:

can we get this thread closed or moved to the profession balance board?

I wouldn’t mind it being moved to the balance board. Everyone can then pitch in!

i want this fire to burn bright or not at all

Well, unfortunately… this fire will never die, might as well enjoy it and play with it.

i can’t believe this thread is still going after months of lurking this thief forum

gartz.7013:

i can’t believe this thread is still going after months of lurking this thief forum

It’s based on something that will always remain in game.

Originally by: glock.6590

What: Shadow arts.
Why: From a main thief, when I see SA thieves in PvP it just kittens me off.
1- SA players are useless because they deal low damage and cant cap while in stealth
2- any player that uses the SA trait line becomes bad so its unhealty for the game
3- sitting in stealth forever should not be rewarding because its poor gameplay
Shadow arts makes the thief the most faceroll class in the game. and everytime I see an SA thief I feel like deleting my thief due to how shameful that build is.
Suggestion: Shadow arts needs to be removed. OR. Solution, shadow rejuvanation now only heals for 20 hp per second, so if you wanna heal you would need Healing power gear
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Shadow-arts-needs-to-be-removed/first

20 hp per second,for just a GM trait.Still sounds OP to me…

KaporHabakuk.6219:

20 hp per second,for just a GM trait.Still sounds OP to me…

If we had healing power it would jump to 50 hp per second… too much! (cuz we don’t get healing power gear…)

It’s amazing what numbers people can pull out of their kitten these days, next dagger storm needs to last 1.5 seconds because it reflects projectiles for too long O.o

Yes with healing power AND runes of the dolyak AND shadows rejuvenation AND regeneration boon AND cactus soup a glass thief could heal ~10% of their life per second passively !

Justine.6351:

Yes with healing power AND runes of the dolyak AND shadows rejuvenation AND regeneration boon AND cactus soup a glass thief could heal ~10% of their life per second passively !

God I could have sworn there was another class with a one healing skill that did that. Though it was toned down, considering it was only one skill.

Originally by: Sensotix.4106

What: Steal
Why: Summary of steal when using the current thief build (30 0 10 0 30)
1) 1.244 dmg (usually more)
2) 2 boons stolen (priority on stability)
3) giving these boons to you and nearby allies in a radius of 240
4) grants vigor for 10 seconds
5) grants you and allies in a radius of 360 fury for around 10 sec
6) grants you and allies in a radius of 360 swiftness for around 10 sec (and 1 might stack)
7) heals you for 2.040
8) puts poison on the enemy for 13 seconds
9) dazes the target (which goes through stab because its first priority on boons removed)
10) when using the current backstab build with panic strike it afflicts weakness for 51/4 sec on the enemy
11) recharges all skills of one type (traps, venoms etc)
12) gives you 2 initiative
13) has a 900 range
14) is instacast
15) can even be casted if you cannot even port to the target currently because he is on an obstacle (effects still proc)
16) only has 21 1/2 seconds cooldown
17) ports to the target (instant gapcloser)
18) you get a skill that in most cases counters your enemy for a certain amount of time
Can you not see how this is utterly broken?
To be honest I don’t acually mind having such a thing on thief because thief requires at lot of skill to be played competetively but the problem is that even tho the thief uses a lot of trait points to improve his “steal” ability in order to improve his survivability he still deals a ridiculous amount of dmg by double procs (air-fire, fire-blood)
Suggestion:
1.) Add counterplay to steal (you can only predict it atm)
2.) Remove some effects of steal – or – nerf double procs but make up for the nerfs by buffing other things on classes (not thief) that rely on these procs to have sustained dmg
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Steal-is-too-strong-needs-adjustments

Zero Day.2594:

Originally by: Sensotix.4106

What: Steal
Why: Summary of steal when using the current thief build (30 0 10 0 30)
1) 1.244 dmg (usually more)
2) 2 boons stolen (priority on stability)
3) giving these boons to you and nearby allies in a radius of 240
4) grants vigor for 10 seconds
5) grants you and allies in a radius of 360 fury for around 10 sec
6) grants you and allies in a radius of 360 swiftness for around 10 sec (and 1 might stack)
7) heals you for 2.040
8) puts poison on the enemy for 13 seconds
9) dazes the target (which goes through stab because its first priority on boons removed)
10) when using the current backstab build with panic strike it afflicts weakness for 51/4 sec on the enemy
11) recharges all skills of one type (traps, venoms etc)
12) gives you 2 initiative
13) has a 900 range
14) is instacast
15) can even be casted if you cannot even port to the target currently because he is on an obstacle (effects still proc)
16) only has 21 1/2 seconds cooldown
17) ports to the target (instant gapcloser)
18) you get a skill that in most cases counters your enemy for a certain amount of time
Can you not see how this is utterly broken?
To be honest I don’t acually mind having such a thing on thief because thief requires at lot of skill to be played competetively but the problem is that even tho the thief uses a lot of trait points to improve his “steal” ability in order to improve his survivability he still deals a ridiculous amount of dmg by double procs (air-fire, fire-blood)
Suggestion:
1.) Add counterplay to steal (you can only predict it atm)
2.) Remove some effects of steal – or – nerf double procs but make up for the nerfs by buffing other things on classes (not thief) that rely on these procs to have sustained dmg
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Steal-is-too-strong-needs-adjustments

So I didn’t respond to this thread originally because sometimes I don’t feel like poking the hornets nest, but the “-or-” suggestion on number (2) is a moot point, since steal cant proc fire/air/blood (can’t crit).

Also this list is long because they split up single abilities, but I digress.

Maugetarr.6823:

So I didn’t respond to this thread originally because sometimes I don’t feel like poking the hornets nest, but the “-or-” suggestion on number (2) is a moot point, since steal cant proc fire/air/blood (can’t crit).

Also this list is long because they split up single abilities, but I digress.

Yeah as much as I found that thread more legitimate than others, he’s still crying more than anything. The thief essentially becomes a one trick pony at that point. Plus his two suggestions aren’t exactly “hey let’s change this for the better” and more like “hey please fix my problem, I’m not sure how though” (first point).

Originally by: Aylpse.6280

What: Caltrops
Why: Caltrops dont break stealth, allowing a condi thief to rack up absurd bleeds and other condis via doom(sigil) and Krait runes. Without breaking stealth.
Please tell me this is an exploit. This is kittened.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Exploit-Caltrops/first

I was wondering when the caltrops would be added.

What: Tears
Why: They flow too freely

What: Thief abscense
Why: Would make the game to boring without thief. So let’s nerf Thief’s Abscense!

Originally by: Bella Kim.4061
(Both)

What: Stealth
Why: I think based on his thread, he wants feedback on steatlh, like when he hits a stealthed person it should reveal them and such. He fails to provide any real change for balance, instead it’s just another whine thread.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Suggestions-for-stealth-mechanic/first

What: Heartseeker (+swiftness), Infiltrator Arrow, Infiltrator’s Signet, Infiltrator’s Strike, Shadowstep, Steal (untargeted), and many more
Why: I just realized that stealth is not the problem. thieves have too many movement skills
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Suggestions-for-stealth-mechanic/first#post4552269

I was really debating putting this guy up here… since it’s not really labeled for thieves, until his later post… Plus his post overall is just comic, and i responded to it with the same humor (in the original thread).

Nines.4368:

What: Thieves.
Why: They are too OP. Why do we even need this class to ruin the whole game for us? Lets just remove the whole class so that all the other ones won’t feel like the underdog.

Lol, this is what goes through my mind whenever I run into a mesmer.

What: Female human t3-armor
Why: you get distracted too easy by the underboob! >:(

What: Trehaerne
Why: He’s a thief. He stole my Personal Story.

Originally by: BlackBeard.2873

What: Shadow Refuge
Why: Because it’s too strong.
Suggestion: How to make shadow refuge slightly more balanced (pick some, not all)
- Add a real cast time (as OP suggested). 0.25s isn’t a real cast time, it literally just makes the skill not able to be used as a psuedo-stunbreak.
- Remove the healing it provides (at least on downed people). Currently, SR is like a short Elixir R, in addition to the whole stealth thing and being a dark field.
- No longer able to drop at range, simply a player-based skill so that there is risk to dropping this on a team-mate (besides lost CD).
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/How-to-make-SR-more-Balanced/first#post4565932

Originally by: Chewablesleeptablet.3185

What: Steal
Why: A lot of skills these days are getting telegraphs because of OP problems. Steal does many things when traited: daze, rip and steal boons, stealth, and damage
It seems to be unblockable as well.
No other profession has a skill that can do this much crippling damage to a player. Mesmer has moa which is unblockable but it is also an elite.
At least give steal a tell so people can dodge it , maybe even a slower teleport that shows a trail or how about change the skill so it can only be used in melee( makes perfect sense to add a tiny bit of realism into a fantasy game) . So far its just luck and uncanny anticipation. Anet nerfed point blank shot, so why not this?
Suggestion: Steal needs to be telegraphed
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Steal-needs-to-be-telegraphed/first

What: Shadow Refugee
Why: So it’s totally unfair when a thief uses SR as a decoy for AoE fields. As in the thief drops down SR but doesn’t enter it – maybe instead they use another stealth skill – leaving the SR field empty and people will AoE the empty field. This is totally not fair, an SR should be changed/nerf.
Suggestion: Make the center (where the little house icon is) of the SR field be “attached” to the thief, as in it will move the whole field with the thief.

This clever idea was brought up by Corvette.5687,
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/How-to-make-SR-more-Balanced/first#post4567874
I can just foresee this being complained about some time in the future, when they start to figure out it’s sometimes empty… But first they have to figure it out! (might take some time)

I hope next april fools they bring all of these nerfs to light for that day. I want to experience the community’s vision of thief ^^

NinjaEd.3946:

I hope next april fools they bring all of these nerfs to light for that day. I want to experience the community’s vision of thief ^^

Too much work for 1 day… plus then you have to revert back (snapshots? branches? version-ing?).

But don’t worry, over time I’m sure that a lot of these things will come true, and it won’t have to be for April fools either! It will be permanent changes too.

I bet you anything that Caltrops will receive the same treatment as Choking Gas.

At the same time, I think some of the changes that they make is through “RNG” -

1. They flip a coin, heads is traits, tails is skills.
2. They create an unsorted list of either traits or skills depending on the previous result.
3. They then flip a coin, heads means take the first half of the list, tails means take the second half of the list.
4. Continue step 3 until you have 1 skill/trait selected.
5. They then roll a die, 1,2,3 is a buff and 4,5,6 is a nerf. (Special modifier for thieves; 6 is a buff and 1,2,3,4,5 is a nerf)
6. They then roll another die to see which kind of nerf/buff it is, for instance it’s a nerf and we land a 6, that means increase the cooldown by 10%, or a 5 means decrease damage by 5.
7. Repeat steps 1-6, until enough changes are made to look like a patch.

See if you apply this algorithm enough times, statically it will give you a “balance” between nerfs and buffs.

What: Nerf a popular trait and Buff on thief trait but don’t tell anyone about it except me and dont make the tooltips show it.
Why: Metas are lame removing them is good (jk, they will always exist) and i am so bad at thief i need the secret buff of like perhaps 300% dps :P

What: Steal
Why/How: Thieves dont deserve to get all boons from my mes they already hard counter him. Mesmers are masters of deception give us what the thief tries to steal instead because we tricked them. Or better Reverse the entire effect of steal onto the thief because we manipulated their mind. It makes perfect sense right?

Sadrien.3470:

What: Steal
Why/How: Thieves dont deserve to get all boons from my mes they already hard counter him. Mesmers are masters of deception give us what the thief tries to steal instead because we tricked them. Or better Reverse the entire effect of steal onto the thief because we manipulated their mind. It makes perfect sense right?

Yep…10 seconds of EVERY BOON IN THE GAME is too OP. It should be nerfed to inflict confusion and torment on the thief when they steal off a mesmer.

Zero Day.2594:

So, a lot of people come to the thief forums to open up a topic on a particular skill/thing they want nerfed. So I thought I would create a post were you can post what you want nerfed and why. For instance, say I wanted to nerf their crafting speeds, it would be the following post:

What: Thief crafting speeds.
Why: It’s unfair they craft faster when in stealth.
Suggestion: (optional) Take their crafting time… and double it!
Thread: (optional) http://imgur.com/pAiF9Rk

So yeah, in all seriousness, take it away!
Thieves stay out of the way, as to not cause flame wars (unless you’re suggesting a nerf)… ugh….

Feel free to link to other posts, and duke it out there… this should mainly be just a what-and-why….

(Edited:
Added the optional “Suggestion” and “Thread” headings to the template.)

Make us craft in stealth only at noon n midnight for 1 hour only.

They already ninja nerfed our speed signet, without even saying anything. 2 ninja nerfs on our endurance regens. Log in first nerf, hmm I can’t dodge 3 times in a roll anymore. 2nd nerf hmm it’s taking about .5-1 sec longer for me to spam that 3rd dodge. How do I know each nerf I’m pounding aa dd ss ww ee qq anyone of those an extra time.

They even made us do an 180 about face when we spam 222222 now. WTF????

Originally by: TheBlackLeech.9360

What: Thieves and Rune of the Krait
Why: Thieves are able to trigger the 6/6 Rune of the Krait and stack a massive amount of condi without ever coming unstealthed. Makes for a pretty unfair fight.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Thieves-and-Rune-of-the-Krait/first

I somehow feel as if steal is going to be nerfed…

Jana.6831:

I somehow feel as if steal is going to be nerfed…

Referencing the “Steal needs to be telegraphed” ?

Zero Day.2594:

Referencing the “Steal needs to be telegraphed” ?

No, to the runes of the krait – I don’t even know what “needs to be telegraphed” means ;)

Jana.6831:

Zero Day.2594:

Referencing the “Steal needs to be telegraphed” ?

No, to the runes of the krait – I don’t even know what “needs to be telegraphed” means

Oh I meant the thread “Steal needs to be telegraphed”… Why would steal be nerfed because of the krait post? I feel like i’m missing something here… you need to use an elite skill to trigger the effect, the only one that wont break stealth is basilisk, but even then the effect of the ruin has 45 second CD… o.O or am i completely wrong?

Zero Day.2594:

Oh I meant the thread “Steal needs to be telegraphed”… Why would steal be nerfed because of the krait post? I feel like i’m missing something here… you need to use an elite skill to trigger the effect, the only one that wont break stealth is basilisk, but even then the effect of the ruin has 45 second CD… o.O or am i completely wrong?

English = second language – the telegraphed thread makes no sense to me ;)
The person complaining about the krait runes is in fact complaining about steal.

Edit: Basilisk venom, CnD while steal, Mug (poison) + possibly sleight of hand.

Jana.6831:

Zero Day.2594:

Oh I meant the thread “Steal needs to be telegraphed”… Why would steal be nerfed because of the krait post? I feel like i’m missing something here… you need to use an elite skill to trigger the effect, the only one that wont break stealth is basilisk, but even then the effect of the ruin has 45 second CD… o.O or am i completely wrong?

English = second language – the telegraphed thread makes no sense to me
The person complaining about the krait runes is in fact complaining about steal.

Edit: Basilisk venom, CnD while steal, Mug (poison) + possibly sleight of hand.

Ah! Thanks. Well, I’m not sure if the OP of that thread knows that combo, and even if he does he sure didn’t really explain himself well… Hence that thread came off as just another cry/rage thread.