Advocate of Justice, Liberty and Truth
(edited by Burnfall.9573)
Nerf Wish list
He answered, “look this is all we can do, so get over it”
So…….
Isn’t this the same way Arena.net look at thief class?
Not even close. To the tree trimmer, it is profitable for them to come back several times a year to trim the tree. There is no profit on “trimming” the Thieves because the nerfs we received is similar to “plucking out the tree.”
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Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.
He answered, “look this is all we can do, so get over it”
So…….
Isn’t this the same way Arena.net look at thief class?
Not even close. To the tree trimmer, it is profitable for them to come back several times a year to trim the tree. There is no profit on “trimming” the Thieves because the nerfs we received is similar to “plucking out the tree.”
no
when you pluck out the tree, you pluck their roots
no matter what trimming (nerfs) thieves get, they are still OP?
like the tree branches; they’ll keep growing.
why not just redesign the thief root and start over?
why not just plant a new tree that doesn’t grow to much?
why not just redesign a thief that would not be OP?
wouldn’t that make sense?
wouldn’t you agree?
Advocate of Justice, Liberty and Truth
(edited by Burnfall.9573)
He answered, “look this is all we can do, so get over it”
So…….
Isn’t this the same way Arena.net look at thief class?
Not even close. To the tree trimmer, it is profitable for them to come back several times a year to trim the tree. There is no profit on “trimming” the Thieves because the nerfs we received is similar to “plucking out the tree.”
no
when you pluck out the tree, you pluck their roots
no matter what trimming (nerfs) thieves get, they are still OP?
like the tree branches; they’ll keep growing.
wouldn’t you agree?
The thing is, what they nerfed was never “growing” back. :/
http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.
He answered, “look this is all we can do, so get over it”
So…….
Isn’t this the same way Arena.net look at thief class?
Not even close. To the tree trimmer, it is profitable for them to come back several times a year to trim the tree. There is no profit on “trimming” the Thieves because the nerfs we received is similar to “plucking out the tree.”
no
when you pluck out the tree, you pluck their roots
no matter what trimming (nerfs) thieves get, they are still OP?
like the tree branches; they’ll keep growing.
why not just redesign the thief root and start over?
why not just plant a new tree that doesn’t grow to much?
why not just redesign a thief that would not be OP?
wouldn’t that make sense?
wouldn’t you agree?
….since when does code regenerate once values are changed? Are there subroutines in this game that slowly increase variable values over time such that they need to be “pruned” every so often?
He answered, “look this is all we can do, so get over it”
So…….
Isn’t this the same way Arena.net look at thief class?
Not even close. To the tree trimmer, it is profitable for them to come back several times a year to trim the tree. There is no profit on “trimming” the Thieves because the nerfs we received is similar to “plucking out the tree.”
no
when you pluck out the tree, you pluck their roots
no matter what trimming (nerfs) thieves get, they are still OP?
like the tree branches; they’ll keep growing.
why not just redesign the thief root and start over?
why not just plant a new tree that doesn’t grow to much?
why not just redesign a thief that would not be OP?
wouldn’t that make sense?
wouldn’t you agree?
….since when does code regenerate once values are changed? Are there subroutines in this game that slowly increase variable values over time such that they need to be “pruned” every so often?
have thief Op status increased or decreased over time by the trimmings (nerfs)?
Advocate of Justice, Liberty and Truth
(edited by Burnfall.9573)
He answered, “look this is all we can do, so get over it”
So…….
Isn’t this the same way Arena.net look at thief class?
Not even close. To the tree trimmer, it is profitable for them to come back several times a year to trim the tree. There is no profit on “trimming” the Thieves because the nerfs we received is similar to “plucking out the tree.”
no
when you pluck out the tree, you pluck their roots
no matter what trimming (nerfs) thieves get, they are still OP?
like the tree branches; they’ll keep growing.
why not just redesign the thief root and start over?
why not just plant a new tree that doesn’t grow to much?
why not just redesign a thief that would not be OP?
wouldn’t that make sense?
wouldn’t you agree?
….since when does code regenerate once values are changed? Are there subroutines in this game that slowly increase variable values over time such that they need to be “pruned” every so often?
have thief Op status increased or decreased over time by the trimmings (nerfs)?
The status of thieves has decreased since the release of the game. If you cut back plants without letting them gain ground in between, they die.
He answered, “look this is all we can do, so get over it”
So…….
Isn’t this the same way Arena.net look at thief class?
Not even close. To the tree trimmer, it is profitable for them to come back several times a year to trim the tree. There is no profit on “trimming” the Thieves because the nerfs we received is similar to “plucking out the tree.”
no
when you pluck out the tree, you pluck their roots
no matter what trimming (nerfs) thieves get, they are still OP?
like the tree branches; they’ll keep growing.
why not just redesign the thief root and start over?
why not just plant a new tree that doesn’t grow to much?
why not just redesign a thief that would not be OP?
wouldn’t that make sense?
wouldn’t you agree?
So when your teeth hurt, why not pull em out? (sure the wisdom teeth…)
So if a person gets cancer why not just kill them, right? (there’s no way to cure it that has been excepted by the medical institutions).
If there’s weeds on your lawn why not torch the lawn and be done with it?
Actually, wtf is the point of trees?
K, pruning is a pain, lets say someone “redesigns” the root of trees to grow w/o branches. Just a long kitten stick growing towards the sky with leaves coming out from it. Then the leaves will become pain in the kitten to clean/blow away… Why not then “redesign” the tree again? make a long kitten stick that’s without branches and without leaves and just produces oxygen. well kitten it, now there’s a bunch of sticks sticking out of the ground. why not redesign it again to have it not grow from the ground and spit out oxygen from the ground. well, why not find a way to just produce oxygen w/o having to plant those trees… why not find a way to not breath the oxygen…
Never mind the function of the tree… why prune and keep the trees around you in general? I mean there’s enough trees out there for not really needing to have one of your own… Beauty?
Slippery slope… but up to now there really has only been nerfs… with “buffs” just for us to not say “only nerfs”.
Jesus man, i thought you were an awesome troll/poet… but this… Gotta say, our artistic views don’t exactly match.
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What: Thief tree
Why: Thief tree grows too fast, produces no Oxygen. Evil tree
What: Thief tree oxygen
Why: Oxygen is permastealth and can’t see it EVER.
What: Thief OP status
Why: Like branches on a tree, even though the thief gets trimmed/cut (nerfed), their OP status increases, grows and regenerates. Pluck the tree from the ground! Burn it to the ground! Plant a flower instead.
this is a mesmer XD
y do u all worry about a lil old thief lol XD
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What: Thief player ego
Why: The world would be a better place
What: Thief player ego
Why: The world would be a better place
I could actually get behind this nerf.
lol learn how to fight a thief
i love killing them XD
…. i do not only play thief
guard ranger mesmer and element
had a war but deleted it
idk i think it is a l2p issue
and play the class u pick / build u pick
support classes do not get enough credit in this game !
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What: Thief player ego
Why: The world would be a better placeI could actually get behind this nerf.
I think it can go across the board… since defeat does hurt regardless of class, hence the QQ’ing when they die to backstabs.
i think we all hate it when we die
but most of us just play the class we pick
the thief is good at jumping in on a fight to help finish off there juggernaut or solo
when u see a thief u just need to watch your back bait them in thief’s have low hp
i love fighting thief’s when i am a element or guard ranger idk but if a thief is running sword dagger i know they will try to steel my boons and that will be the last thing u want . so i try to unload before they see it coming .but the thief is the king of surprise i feel when fighting a thief it is a 50/50 chance of winning on what they r running! but depending how much exp u have vs a thief is the factor that can make wining with odds on your side
guards tele skill to jump them and nuke with symbols and spinning wrath is awesome vs a thief if u have enough power in it but u can kill a glassy thief before they have time to react
it is a game of rock paper scissors
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What: Pistols
Why: their direct damage is too high. We should make the auto attack cost one imitative per shot because it does so much damage so quickly. Also the 2 skill should just be removed because thieves shouldn’t be able to root people, or apply vulnerability, especially with the extreme direct damage of pistol AA. While were at it, pistol shouldn’t be available as an off hand. Blind on a THIEF?! Outrageous! Just make pistol unable to even have an off hand weapon because, I mean, that AA is just so O kittening P!
sarcasm;)
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[RaW] Kaineng
What: Stealth, CnD, Backstab
Why: Even though OP perma-stealth exploit build has been nerfed… This is still happening:
Clearly, that nerf was not enough. He’s still perma-stealth exploiting left and right using CnD, blinding powder, hide in shadows and shadow refuge. More nerfs are necessary as the last one didn’t do any justice.
Source: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Glad-to-see-Yishis-is-adapting
I wish thief could only do damage when out of combat. Why should they be able to crit for 8k?
Also they can only move out of stealth, otherwise all teleports and movement skills are disabled and you’re rooted.
“I’m waiting for the staff to get off their lunch
break. I feel like they should be back by now..”
break. I feel like they should be back by now..”
Originally by: The Game Slayer.7632
What: Devourer venom
Why: I can put 9s of immob on a target with this skill… That is ridiculous… and no one can cleanse it since i stack it with other venoms and about 6 other condis pop up with immob. Then the best part is is that when 9s runs comes close to running out, ill just spam body shot. (lol)
Suggestion: Remove immob completely and give it burning with cripple, or something like that. Maybe confusion, just hell, not immob. Its way too strong.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Devourer-venom-needs-a-nerf
Originally by: klemen.8439
What: heartseeker
Why:They’re all playing dagger/pistol and all they do through out all fights is push 5 and then spam 2 (smokefield → heartseak spam). The combo is really a no skill, annoyance to other players and kinda OP towards most light classes (necro DS insta kill, ele insta kill).
Suggestion: Making heartseeker require like 2 more initiative so that a thief would be unable to spam it like 4 times in a row.Switching dancing dagger (Skill n°4 on dagger) with heartseeker would not only make dancing dagger being used more (due to it being the second skill) but would also fix the perma-stealth issue that’s been bothering a lot of WvW players.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Too-many-bad-thieves
Originally by: Elxdark.9702
What: 5 and 2
Why: I only press 5 and 2 and I can kill anything.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Too-many-bad-thieves/first#post3445843
What: Thieves wearing ascended gear
Why: duh?
What: Black Powder
Why: Why’s it gotta be black?
| Fort Aspenwood (NA): Sylvari Daredevil Thief Main: All Classes 80. |
Please Remove/Fix Thief Trait: “Last Refuge.”
“Hard to Catch” is a Horrible and Useless Trait. Fixed 6/23/15. Praise Dwayna.
What: Thief’s ability to move.
Why: Other classes get confused when things move.
Rogue Spectre [Main]/[SNKY]
Fergyson’s Crosswalk
WvW Roamer, lover, fighter, and reckless glass cannon
Fergyson’s Crosswalk
WvW Roamer, lover, fighter, and reckless glass cannon
Originally by: Shrike.3154
What: dagger pistol perma stealth
Why: Don’t know about every other non thief out there, but these thieves that can solo a bunch of people and win, due to perma stealth is bull ****, so over fighting them, I just walk away now, as it takes to many resources to down just one of these pugs.
Perma stealth is extremely annoying, and needs to be stopped, there is serious balance issues when 1 toon cant take on 5 and win, class match ups should be even and balance better.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/nerf-the-dagger-pistol-perma-stealth-rubbish/first#post3450221
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What: fleet shadow
Why: Thief should be affected by cripple in stealth Not 33% faster
(originally posted by someone on wvw discussion Forum who beliefs in skill describtions)
What: Stealth Stacking Duration
Why: I once saw a perma-stealth Thief…
ahah awesome O_O
what: Thief class name
why: ppl hate it so much, this lead us to understand that is indeed op
[OSC] Easlay Koorst – Thief
Sfr
Sfr
what: weapons- dagger
why: i saw an afk warrior losing against a d/d thief
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What: Being able to see while stealthed.
Why: Stealth is invisibility, which means the thief’s retinas should not be able to absorb light whilst stealthed. …
They steal vision from nearby creatures :p
What: Thief Vision Stealing
Why: Allows them to see while stealthed
(edited by frans.8092)
What: Blind accessibility.
Why: Because it forces me to do 5 attacks instead of 3 to down a thief.
Suggestion: Take away blind abilities. Give more initiative to balance it!
What: Shadow Refuge
Why: They heal and stealth! Countering requires thinking during a fight!
Suggestion: Replace it with a 1 initiative/sec gain while inside.
Fun thread.
Active: Mesmer, Warrior
Inactive: Guardian, Elementalist, Ranger, Thief (ex-main)
Leveling: Engineer, Necromancer
Inactive: Guardian, Elementalist, Ranger, Thief (ex-main)
Leveling: Engineer, Necromancer
Originally by: Niels.5396
What: nerfs on the short bow
Why: it pains me to see people playing thief that evade endlessly. Spamming 3 on their short bows while dodging and auto attacking. … The short bow is the real evil here.
Suggestion: more nerfs on the short bow rather than more nerfs on the vigor uptime.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-nerf-3
What: Black Powder
Why: The Thief should also be blinded unless they are wearing an infrared goggles. So no more stomping those poor and pathetic Warriors after using Black Powder. It’s not fair to them.
http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.
What: P/d pistol immobilize.
Why: I can spam it, with wire-trap, caltrops, roll for iniative, dodge, dagger-throw slow and the other roll back and heal thing.. i kite everything in WvW with this setup. Except that elementalist, i dealt 500 dmg to her before i was down.
What: Shortbow AutoAttack
Why: It bounces between targets, dealing damage without having the Thief to aim! The thief should have to aim at all times, it’s an assassin! The thief should have to manually calculate the refraction angles if he wants the arrows to bounce targets.
Ok so what do you guys think will happen to the thief if it got every single nerf listed in this topic?
Would it still be OP or what? Ya teef too strongk.
All is vain.
Ok so what do you guys think will happen to the thief if it got every single nerf listed in this topic?
Would it still be OP or what? Ya teef too strongk.
This is an ongoing topic… there is no end…
(Well the end is when the class gets removed from the game.)
But if it received all the nerfs above… it would be closer to what others consider “balanced”.
What: Thief Skill Twisting Fangs
Why: True Story: I recently encountered a thief in wvw. I saw that he was d/d and prepared my stunlocks, stabilities, and aoe. Suddenly, he unequipped one dagger, and proceeded to spam Twisting Fangs (1 dagger equipped; skill3). Not only was the range horrendously OP (130), but the spinning animation brought tears to my eyes! I wept as I died from this OP skill. Please, remove the range, or the spinning animation, or make thieves use TWO daggers, not ONE.
That could have been me roaming on single-handed Saturday. Some times I like to run around with no stealth, but the temptation of Cloak and Dagger being so OP it too much. So I remove the offhand and run around Borderlands slapping yaks with our most OP skills, such as STAB and REPEATER! or if I’m playing a condition build, I just get around like a 1st edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Thief with one dagger and Twisted Fangs like it’s 1979.
What: dancing dagger
Why: it doesn’t make me dance.
Suggestion: make thief lose a dagger every time this skill is used.
Fightz [XSV][SBT]
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What: Dancing Dagger
Why: No Dancing
Suggestion: Remove Dagger portion of the skill and add more dancing.
Originally by: Sjaakie.1470
What: Thiefs
Why: Doing more damage than siege
Thanks Sjaakie for providing screenshots of a your attributes and a combat log of a 2.8k heartseeker and some auto attacks doing 500 damage.
Source: Mosharn.8357
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Short-bow-evade-spam
What: Shortbow – Disabling Shot
Why: It costs 4 init dodges and cripples. It is stupid how spamable. No i did not lose to it. Its just a stupid thing to have. Every thief that fails hard with his/her back stab whips this out and goes 3333333. Its dumb and can be easily spammed
Solution: Remove the dodge and just leave it for the cripple.
Thief, Engineer, Mesmer – Seafarer’s Rest (EU)
it would be great if people though of ways to improve there class instead of nerfing the thief to the ground 24/7 think of something positive and grow than . something
negative just because u got killed . think what is missing from your class it is all ways the negatives don’t take from the game grow it+++++ .
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it would be great if people though of ways to improve there class instead of nerfing the thief to the ground 24/7 think of something positive and grow than . something
negative just because u got killed . think what is missing from your class it is all ways the negatives don’t take from the game grow it+++++ .
I actually thought of this a few minutes ago haha.. we should create a thief buff thread where anyone can post ANY desired buff! Much like this thread… it should be nothing off limits! BRING ON THE BUFFS PEOPLE! IT’S TIME TO GIVE PEOPLE SOMETHING TO REALLY QQ ABOUT!
well i mean not just the thief … but all the other classes to !
but i like the idea of a buff list to go with the nerf list but it would give ANET a lil more to work with instead of just millions of negative feed back on one class
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it would be great if people though of ways to improve there class instead of nerfing the thief to the ground 24/7 think of something positive and grow than . something
negative just because u got killed . think what is missing from your class it is all ways the negatives don’t take from the game grow it+++++ .I actually thought of this a few minutes ago haha.. we should create a thief buff thread where anyone can post ANY desired buff! Much like this thread… it should be nothing off limits! BRING ON THE BUFFS PEOPLE! IT’S TIME TO GIVE PEOPLE SOMETHING TO REALLY QQ ABOUT!
well i mean not just the thief … but all the other classes to !
but i like the idea of a buff list to go with the nerf list but it would give ANET a lil more to work with instead of just millions of negative feed back on one class
HHHHMmmmm a buff list… for a class that people want a nerf… that’s absurd!
See the buff list, is unrealistic in a sense that:
It’s limitless in possibilities, while the nerf list stops when the class is removed or nerfed into uselessness.
It’s wishful thinking, while the nerf list is also wishful thinking, but it’s more likely that the nerfs will be fufilled as to stop people from QQ’ing… they can’t be happy when they’re QQ’ing and the class is getting buffed, noooo.
But on a more serious note…
Yes a lot of the above nerfs are sarcastic/funny… but some are real requests, specifically, all the ones where i’ve stated that they were originally by someone else… meaning someone else came to this forum created a “QQ plz nerfz thiefz” thread about something they wanted to nerf. These requests happen at least once (if not more) a week. So to help the devs in keeping track of all the QQ’s and nerf requests while keeping the forums cleaner of them, this thread was created…
I don’t see a lot of people coming to these forums and requesting a buff… definately not from other classes that’s for sure… See, it’s easier to destroy then it is to create… as opposed to thinking “Why are thieves only using this one build” (could it be possibily because others are not as good due to…) they think “OMG SO MANY RUNS THIS MUST BE CUZ OP”… further more instead of thinking “How can I improve myself and counter something” or “Is it worth fighting it?”,they think “OMG TOOOOO OP NERFZ NEXT PATCH PLEZ” …
The sarcastic/funny ones, tells a bit about what state the thieve’s mindset is in… or what they ridicular when people ask for nerfs… or how they view the ones that come in and request these nerfs…
Even those that are sarcastic/funny are every bit true, because that’s they impression they get from others coming to QQ on these forums.
By all means go ahead create a Buff wish list… people will put kittens up there…
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What: My flood control and suspension length.
Why: Because a 30 minute flood control and 8 day suspension per infraction is a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.
Solution: Let me tell baddies they are bad instead of playing the politically correct game!!! >.<
What: Cantrips teeph
Why: Cantrips teeph too easy to play
Prufe:
^ Death Blossom and Cantrips with Signet of Malice. Give us a difficult one.
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What to nerf: Thiefs armor – just let him wear nothing for christ’s sake!
Why: If Warriors hits thiefs, they don’t die in 2 hits :/ That’s just not what these awesome warriors can! Who wants an opponent that can’t be facerolled?! Tell me!
This is amazing.
LOL.
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