Guild Wars 2

we got into a fight with a mesmer.

Got mesmer down. was about to use the stomp.

I had 12 k hp left of my 20 total..

I saw a poff of smoke.. and then i was dead. looking at the target that killed me.
a Thief…

My first reaction was… wtf realy ?? 12 k hp.. insta killed. on heavy armor… seriously.

WTF is wrong with the Designers that should balance this game.

On top of the supreem mobility on a thief. it has invisibility. that not even Dots uncloak… they dont even leave a bleeding trail or anything… just… gone.
And Also thieves have this stupidly insane op burst dmg, wich you cant realy protect yourself against… your dead before you react.

Because the fight is like this most of the times:
I target a thief.. i start to shoot at him..he notice he gets dmg and vanish…
switch weapons to prepare melee…
2 seconds later. you see a poff of smoke around you.. THIEF…
You start to swing.. “my hp is fine, i get this”… “WTF.. iam down already ? its 2 seconds into fight”…

My warrior in 20 k hp.. have actually been 3 hitted by a thief..
It was the most stupid thing i have ever seen.
Sure, that thief had full zerker gear and low hp…
but who needs hp if you can 3 hit 20 k hp…

Feck, i dont want to know the dmg they can do against Light armor.
But i heard ppl in my guild getting 1 hitted………..

Maybe they should increase our base armor ? (like alot)…
Or nerf the thief insane dmg abit ?

I usualy find my thiev very boring to lvl… but iam REALY starting to think about joining the stupidly op side and lvl my thief to 80 also.

one in my guild occupied 6 ppl for 15 minutes…then they got lucky and could chain lock him.
So thieves are also super trollers… REALY good balance by A-net…

INB4 Thieves come in and say L2P!!

Agreed with all you said, support the posts on the forum, on suggestions, or on the theve forums that exposes this problems, we need a lot of feedback, a lot of people saying that thieves need to be nerfed, we need to hold the line (=P), this is really unfair.

wow, thread is 30 minutes old and not single thief is here telling you to L2P.

must be a record.

I fought 2 Thieve’s in WvW one day. Was one at a time but to counter their stealth/backstab I used Earthshaker right on myself, very effective

That is a issue that ANet will have to fix someday. Not only with thief. They need to nerf the damage to classes, skills with low risk/high reward. Someday they will do it.

im not a theif, but could you post your stats/build? if you are very glass cannon then you had it coming.

Theives, in order to deal large amounts of damage, have to sacrifice a lot of survivability, throw some aoes down and he will die.

if you are in a group, a thief can’t kill you, when trying to down you they will be killed, even with a shadow refuge stomp, have your allies rez you back up, all they can do is harrass.

A way to fix this would not be to nerf thief but to make other builds more viable, because right now that is all a thief can do well.

so tldr: get more toughness, use aoe, the thief cant kill you, only down you, thieves have to sacrifice a lot to be able to do that, the solution is not to nerf them, but to make other builds more viable for them.

In spvp it’s easier, and with more toughness thieves are not so dreadful.

And it depends on builds:

P/V/T with hammer and mace, for instance, is extremely easy to use against most thieves. You can just endure all their damage and destroy them the moment they are open for too long.

If you go glass cannon, you mostly won’t see them until it’s too late: I think smart thieves know it’s best to attack people focused in another fight. But that doesn’t happen too often.

If you find a s/d thief, though, things will be different: you won’t be facing bursts, but an evading machine. Some seemed to me almost impossible to take down 1 on 1 (at least with the build I was using).

And NinjaEd, you made a draw against a thief with a ranger? Shame on you.XD

Only redeeming chance may be if you weren’t playing a BM bunker.

Warrior isn’t a good class for taking damage.

Light/Heavy armors difference is only 200 toughness.

I know: in fact I’m going with at least 2700 armor. And 25k HP.

Damage is an issue, but I managed to solve that mostly. How? Long story… :P

This thief argument has been going on forever. Either the devs think this is fair or they are scared to nerf the damage.

I don’t really want to read that mess of text that OP made. Not sure how a thief is hitting you for 12K when you say you have 2.6k + armor (which is heavy).

Unless OP posts a build/screenshot of incoming damage I’m calling bs.

Red Raven.7824:

I don’t really want to read that mess of text that OP made. Not sure how a thief is hitting you for 12K when you say you have 2.6k + armor (which is heavy).

Unless OP posts a build/screenshot of incoming damage I’m calling bs.

See this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-Backstab-Picture/first#post2185307

in a game where damage mitigation skill / trait can negates damage to more than half or zero, heavy armor doesn’t mean much, when the toons don’t have much damage mitigation in the first place.
burst damage can pretty much kill anything in this game most instantly if taken on the face.
12k health of a warrior doesn’t carry as much weight as 12k on, say. a guardian, mesmer, thief, etc…
but warriors will be getting a pvp buff anyway.. we just have to sit nicely and wait for the dev’s to finish their job.

Don’t use frenzy?

i would say that thieves are the easiest thing to kill as a warrior.

Doopslayer.2304:

throw some aoes down and he will die.

Theorycraft. Or is it “theorywars” now? Sorry, either way.

On the every class side of things it goes something like this:
You spot a thief and engage quickly before he stealths
He takes a couple hits then you see a poof of smoke
Then you have to roll, ability or AoE cause the BS is coming
(But it doesn’t necessarily end here)
The thief is experienced, so he also rolls/evades or just waits it out
Fight resets, your down stamina and/or cool downs

People, ever since early MMO’s have always liked to assume that beating a thief/assassin/rogue is a simple question of a certain skill threshold. The problem is that it is completely absent of the consideration that the stealth/lockdown class in question could also pass a certain skill threshold to negate those counters.

For every thread here about “how do you beat a thief with X”, there is a thread of a learned play style that accomplishes “how do you beat X with a thief”.

As a warrior, you say earthshaker at your feet. As a Thief, I may say roll through the earthshaker for the attack (or trait for the blind and ignore it entirely). But then the warrior could say trait for the attack on roll(or shout build) to counter the blind and evade the stab attempt before the AoE. And then the thief could say …etc.

Here is the gear iam using.. and the gear i have been 3 hitted in.
I whould think that 2.5 k armor + 20 k hp, whould be enough…
(edit: it only look like 18.9k on stats. but its actually 19.8 on life bottle/screen).

But it seems that Armor classes in this game are just cosmetics.
I have like 600 – 800 more armor than my elemental, wich is using light…
Now thats just plain weird.

Maybe i live in a different reality…
But i honestly think that heavy metal armors should protect a hell of a lot more than cloth.

in GW2:
my Heavy, metal armor.
is helping to protect me the same as if i whould use recycled toilettpaper…
it doesnt seem to help for schit…

Who does the whole tought processing at A-net ??
Who ever it is, he/she must live in a very very very strange reality.

Just on a side note:
My 1 hand weapons, do the same dmg as my BIG kitten sword and super sledge hammer…???
In my reality, people made BIG 2 handed weapons to inflict a TON more dmg per swing…
My test against lvl 80 wolves. found in wvw. iam traited for rifle. nothing else.
my 1 hand axe. auto crits = 1.800-2.400.
my 2 hand great sword. auto crits = 1.400 – 2.000 umm… wtf… its less… ?? !! ???
my 2 hand hammer. auto crits = 2.400 – 3.100. now we are atleast on the right way…

This would be called ganking. It’s a form of trolling to evoke anger in one’s enemy, and often results in QQing on the forums. Ganking has been refered to but is not limited to: a legitimate playstyle, “no skill”, and a &^%€ god kitten ed $&:%-$^.

This is a friendly message from your neighborhood warrior. Take care and be sure to scan your membership card for extra definitions on . . . “Ganking.”

Good day,
A reminder from your friendly neighborhood Ferrum.

I dunno why your posting here instead of the thief forums.

The class has been broken and left alone since launch due to devs incompetence/laziness in balancing the class. You barely touched on the multiple imbalances of the class.

You can’t chain stun a thief who knows how to abuse the class etc due to sword shadow step. It breaks stun and bypasses immobilize. It is more powerful than our 40s cool down utility skill stability..

If you want to vent your dissatisfaction go post in the 80+ page thread complaining about thieves since launch.

The class is OP and everyone knows it and all the arguments against the balance are L2P etc as are all the usual arguments by people being carried by their class -mesmers/guardians-.

I suggest you either roll a thief, post on the thief forum thread complaining about the balance or do both.

silentnight warrior.2714:

That is a issue that ANet will have to fix someday. Not only with thief. They need to nerf the damage to classes, skills with low risk/high reward. Someday they will do it.

When ESO comes out.

It can be difficult to beat a thief, as they can shadowstep everywhere, stealth and evade literally every 2 seconds and they are a huge pain to fight.

Whenever you get them low they will just stealth and reset the fight, often making it futile and a waste of time trying to fight them.

A good thief will most of the time beat a good warrior, depending on the weapons the thief uses but fortunately there aren’t that many good thieves.

Being a burst spec really helps as you do need to kill the thief in one combo otherwise they will just go invis and evade. D/D specs aren’t that tough IMO but watch out for S/D. Not only is it almost impossible to lock them, they can daze you and unleash their burst on you and you’d be done.

Thieves are capable of extremely high burst. I have 3150 armor and I remember getting hit with a 6.5K Backstab and 4K Heartseekers.

Stealth, especially the way it is implemented in this game is just so cheesy. A warrior doesn’t really have the tactful mechanic that allows them to shine if used correctly, so naturally we would be at somewhat of a disadvantage.

eldain stenlund.4306:

Here is the gear iam using.. and the gear i have been 3 hitted in.
I whould think that 2.5 k armor + 20 k hp, whould be enough…
(edit: it only look like 18.9k on stats. but its actually 19.8 on life bottle/screen).

But it seems that Armor classes in this game are just cosmetics.
I have like 600 – 800 more armor than my elemental, wich is using light…
Now thats just plain weird.

Maybe i live in a different reality…
But i honestly think that heavy metal armors should protect a hell of a lot more than cloth.

in GW2:
my Heavy, metal armor.
is helping to protect me the same as if i whould use recycled toilettpaper…
it doesnt seem to help for schit…

Who does the whole tought processing at A-net ??
Who ever it is, he/she must live in a very very very strange reality.

Just on a side note:
My 1 hand weapons, do the same dmg as my BIG kitten sword and super sledge hammer…???
In my reality, people made BIG 2 handed weapons to inflict a TON more dmg per swing…
My test against lvl 80 wolves. found in wvw. iam traited for rifle. nothing else.
my 1 hand axe. auto crits = 1.800-2.400.
my 2 hand great sword. auto crits = 1.400 – 2.000 umm… wtf… its less… ?? !! ???
my 2 hand hammer. auto crits = 2.400 – 3.100. now we are atleast on the right way…

you have 1200 toughness

less then 2500 armor..

that is why you’re getting hit hard.

Don’t get me wrong, berserker thieves are going to hit you hard…But you’re getting crushed because you’re glass cannon just the same.

You need to get off the notion that just because you’re in heavy armor..It means you’re impossible to kill

you have 1200 toughness

less then 2500 armor..

that is why you’re getting hit hard.

Don’t get me wrong, berserker thieves are going to hit you hard…But you’re getting crushed because you’re glass cannon just the same.

You need to get off the notion that just because you’re in heavy armor..It means you’re impossible to kill

If you get tanky, you still die. just takes 4 seconds instead of 2.
But you cant do crap against thief either in tank… so your just becoming a free kill.

Heavy armor should have naturaly High physical resist.
Have you ever tried to use a knife against a plate armor ?? i have, just for the fun of it.
And trust me.. i didnt even dent the kitten crap when i stabbed it or slized at it.

Heavy armor… is the totaly Anti knife armor. hell its even anti sword to some degree.

If you want a similar test.. just take a 2 mm thick metal sheet… then take a knife.. and stabb away all you like.. you never gonna hurt the metal.

Personally i been running away from zerk in wvw. At the end i had 7k hp left and some thief just did 1 heartseeker for…8k. He dindt had any stack of might and i dindt had any vul on me. If anyone of u gonna say get some toughness i added a pic.

If you encounter a thief try to swap to a hammer, just keep moving around in the most random directions and keep swinging your hammer around so you can land some hits.
You also have some cc and you can knock them back with your hammer to create some distance.
-> I saw someone else suggesting this in an other topic so it might help you.

Azrexx.5469:

If you encounter a thief try to swap to a hammer, just keep moving around in the most random directions and keep swinging your hammer around so you can land some hits.
You also have some cc and you can knock them back with your hammer to create some distance.
-> I saw someone else suggesting this in an other topic so it might help you.

I used to run with axe + mace and hammer in wvw.

and i also had abit more hp.. like 24k. it worked against bad thieves.
(but anything works against those).

But the second i faced a good thief… i went down with ease.
I used bull charge the second i saw him to get a head start. got him to 50 % hp in the stun… then he vanished… and when he engaged again.. he was full hp and i just lost a skill for nothing..
Anyways, a few seconds later i lost hard… against his op dmg.

Thieves need to get revealed on dot dmg.
and their dmg nerfed…

OR… giving heavy armor more… i dont know… ARMOR…

eldain stenlund.4306:

Here is the gear iam using.. and the gear i have been 3 hitted in.
I whould think that 2.5 k armor + 20 k hp, whould be enough…
(edit: it only look like 18.9k on stats. but its actually 19.8 on life bottle/screen).

But it seems that Armor classes in this game are just cosmetics.
I have like 600 – 800 more armor than my elemental, wich is using light…
Now thats just plain weird.

Maybe i live in a different reality…
But i honestly think that heavy metal armors should protect a hell of a lot more than cloth.

in GW2:
my Heavy, metal armor.
is helping to protect me the same as if i whould use recycled toilettpaper…
it doesnt seem to help for schit…

Who does the whole tought processing at A-net ??
Who ever it is, he/she must live in a very very very strange reality.

Just on a side note:
My 1 hand weapons, do the same dmg as my BIG kitten sword and super sledge hammer…???
In my reality, people made BIG 2 handed weapons to inflict a TON more dmg per swing…
My test against lvl 80 wolves. found in wvw. iam traited for rifle. nothing else.
my 1 hand axe. auto crits = 1.800-2.400.
my 2 hand great sword. auto crits = 1.400 – 2.000 umm… wtf… its less… ?? !! ???
my 2 hand hammer. auto crits = 2.400 – 3.100. now we are atleast on the right way…

Agree, heavy armor should have way more defense, like you said its like its only cosmetic, and heavy weapons should hit harder than a butter knife…. my autoattack with a dagger is more dangerous than my auto attack with my sword?, its ridiculous…

And let me say this, who would benefit from this mechanics?, what classes?, the ones that dont use heavy armor and not use heavy weapons, so basically they kitten heavy armor classes in order to buff the other ones, i will put this on the suggestions because this is really bad.

I don’t think they need to nerf thief damage but they should increase the resource cost of some of their more powerful abilities like Heartseeker and Backstab.

Drek Thalon.5490:

I don’t think they need to nerf thief damage but they should increase the resource cost of some of their more powerful abilities like Heartseeker and Backstab.

That wont change the matter that they can one hit kill you so easy, they are just going to do that more slowly.

Fenrir.5493:

Drek Thalon.5490:

I don’t think they need to nerf thief damage but they should increase the resource cost of some of their more powerful abilities like Heartseeker and Backstab.

That wont change the matter that they can one hit kill you so easy, they are just going to do that more slowly.

They can’t one hit kill me.

And a larger resource cost will change the dynamic of the fight and force them to rethink how they manage their burst.

Think it through before you qq.

Drek Thalon.5490:

Fenrir.5493:

Drek Thalon.5490:

I don’t think they need to nerf thief damage but they should increase the resource cost of some of their more powerful abilities like Heartseeker and Backstab.

That wont change the matter that they can one hit kill you so easy, they are just going to do that more slowly.

They can’t one hit kill me.

And a larger resource cost will change the dynamic of the fight and force them to rethink how they manage their burst.

Think it through before you qq.

Maybe not, but they will 2 shot you, now go and play your thief, and leave this post.

burst in general needs to be toned down in WvW. every class has the ability to 1 – 3 hit when they go full glass. it doesn’t matter how much toughness you have, if its not being stacked with Protection you are still going to be hit hard.

i think the OP has been hit with this

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Rogue

hardest hitting phastasm that a mesmer has but rarely noticed in the game

you probably were hit by either the phantasmal rogue, or a roamer build BS thief. i have that build on my thief and with food buff i crit even heavy armorers for 15k with backstab crits

More armor are good, but shoud result in full berserker Warriors and Guardians (invincible/imortals Guardians)

Warriors needs better resources in his heal, utility and elite habilities for equality with others classes (i think aditional efects or/and rework in atual skills).

JETWING.2759:

More armor are good, but shoud result in full berserker Warriors and Guardians (invincible/imortals Guardians)

Warriors needs better resources in his heal, utility and elite habilities for equality with others classes (i think aditional efects or/and rework in atual skills).

ye, true, guardians might become realy realy annoyingly hard, since most of them are running with tank gear in wvw.
But, isnt that a guardians job in the first place ?? to be realy realy hard to kill.

But if they give heavy armor more armor.. to actually work as a heavy armor.
I think we will see more guardians in dps gear in wvw also.
and is that a good thing ?? to give classes options.

loseridoit.2756:

i think the OP has been hit with this

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Rogue

hardest hitting phastasm that a mesmer has but rarely noticed in the game

Tora.7214:

you probably were hit by either the phantasmal rogue, or a roamer build BS thief. i have that build on my thief and with food buff i crit even heavy armorers for 15k with backstab crits

LoL at the rougue phantasm….

Nice try.

Fenrir.5493:

loseridoit.2756:

i think the OP has been hit with this

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phantasmal_Rogue

hardest hitting phastasm that a mesmer has but rarely noticed in the game

Tora.7214:

you probably were hit by either the phantasmal rogue, or a roamer build BS thief. i have that build on my thief and with food buff i crit even heavy armorers for 15k with backstab crits

LoL at the rougue phantasm….

Nice try.

seriously, it sound like the mesmer was in the down state for awhile

Phastasm rogue base damage is backstab back damage

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Backstab

Phastasm rogue is not a weak phastasm. back damge is 1.6k + damage stats and double when crits. 5-7k damage is not unusual for that phastasm and perhaps the damage is maybe more.

Warriors do more damage then thieves.

Axe autoattack’s 3 chain does more damage then backstab.
Whirling Wrath does more damage then backstab.

yey.. so we can use 3 swings to do the dmg as a 1 backstab… GREAT.

how ever, you first need to be able to hit something to get that chain hitting dmg…
dunno if you have a cheating program to see thru stealth… but i have no clue what so ever about where to swing, if the thief decides to play stealth and toy with you.

eldain stenlund.4306:

yey.. so we can use 3 swings to do the dmg as a 1 backstab… GREAT.

how ever, you first need to be able to hit something to get that chain hitting dmg…
dunno if you have a cheating program to see thru stealth… but i have no clue what so ever about where to swing, if the thief decides to play stealth and toy with you.

No, the third chain outdamaged backstab.
This does not include the first 2 attacks.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whirling_Wrath
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Triple_Chop
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Backstab

Triple Chop/Whirling wraith also can hit more then one target, infact they can hit several.

Please cry about damage some place else.

If you actually played a thief, you would know exactly where they are going to swing… BEHIND YOU…

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors do more damage then thieves.

Axe autoattack’s 3 chain does more damage then backstab.
Whirling Wrath does more damage then backstab.

Lies, not even the 3 hits of axe autoattack are the same damage of 1 single backstab, even dagger autattack does more damage, what are you doing here in this forum?, you clearly have a thief that enjoys 1 hit killing people.

By the way im talking about real stuff in game not some paper numbers that dont represent the reality.

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors do more damage then thieves.

Axe autoattack’s 3 chain does more damage then backstab.
Whirling Wrath does more damage then backstab.

Lies, not even the 3 hists of axe autoattack are the same damage of 1 single backstab, even dagger autattack does more damage, what are you doing here in this forum?, you clearly have a thief that enjoys 1 hit killing people.

Fenrir, read my posts and check your eyes. I have a thief and a warrior. However I am here most of the time moreso then anywhere else.

You have read dozens of my posts here trying to fix the warrior, but YOU CAN SEE THE TOOLTIPS IN THE LINKS.

Backstab isn’t the 1-hit-kill attack you say it is. Its less damage then most other normal abilities.

BAMBOO.9430:

Doopslayer.2304:

throw some aoes down and he will die.

Theorycraft. Or is it “theorywars” now? Sorry, either way.

On the every class side of things it goes something like this:
You spot a thief and engage quickly before he stealths
He takes a couple hits then you see a poof of smoke
Then you have to roll, ability or AoE cause the BS is coming
(But it doesn’t necessarily end here)
The thief is experienced, so he also rolls/evades or just waits it out
Fight resets, your down stamina and/or cool downs

People, ever since early MMO’s have always liked to assume that beating a thief/assassin/rogue is a simple question of a certain skill threshold. The problem is that it is completely absent of the consideration that the stealth/lockdown class in question could also pass a certain skill threshold to negate those counters.

For every thread here about “how do you beat a thief with X”, there is a thread of a learned play style that accomplishes “how do you beat X with a thief”.

As a warrior, you say earthshaker at your feet. As a Thief, I may say roll through the earthshaker for the attack (or trait for the blind and ignore it entirely). But then the warrior could say trait for the attack on roll(or shout build) to counter the blind and evade the stab attempt before the AoE. And then the thief could say …etc.

dude, you should try what he said 1st, for real. if you still dont have your opinion changed,all i have to say is l2p

Daecollo.9578:

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors do more damage then thieves.

Axe autoattack’s 3 chain does more damage then backstab.
Whirling Wrath does more damage then backstab.

Lies, not even the 3 hists of axe autoattack are the same damage of 1 single backstab, even dagger autattack does more damage, what are you doing here in this forum?, you clearly have a thief that enjoys 1 hit killing people.

Fenrir, read my posts and check your eyes. I have a thief and a warrior. However I am here most of the time moreso then anywhere else.

You have read dozens of my posts here trying to fix the warrior, but YOU CAN SEE THE TOOLTIPS IN THE LINKS.

Backstab isn’t the 1-hit-kill attack you say it is. Its less damage then most other normal abilities.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-Backstab-Picture/first#post2185307

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors do more damage then thieves.

Axe autoattack’s 3 chain does more damage then backstab.
Whirling Wrath does more damage then backstab.

Lies, not even the 3 hists of axe autoattack are the same damage of 1 single backstab, even dagger autattack does more damage, what are you doing here in this forum?, you clearly have a thief that enjoys 1 hit killing people.

Fenrir, read my posts and check your eyes. I have a thief and a warrior. However I am here most of the time moreso then anywhere else.

You have read dozens of my posts here trying to fix the warrior, but YOU CAN SEE THE TOOLTIPS IN THE LINKS.

Backstab isn’t the 1-hit-kill attack you say it is. Its less damage then most other normal abilities.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-Backstab-Picture/first#post2185307

Looks like you just hit a warrior, judging by what you stole.

What if:

He had frenzy, taking another 25% damage?

What if he had full zerker? There is only a 180 armor difference between thief and warrior…

Its balanced, because glass cannons are suppost to kill glass cannons, and you hit another glass cannot with a damage increase on him.

Sniper Warrior, hitting 18-25k criticals from kill shot, this playstyle was recently buffed since then.

The only funny thing is… hes not even wearing the 6% of all toughness, 4% of all vitality is extra power buff…

Daecollo.9578:

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors do more damage then thieves.

Axe autoattack’s 3 chain does more damage then backstab.
Whirling Wrath does more damage then backstab.

Lies, not even the 3 hists of axe autoattack are the same damage of 1 single backstab, even dagger autattack does more damage, what are you doing here in this forum?, you clearly have a thief that enjoys 1 hit killing people.

Fenrir, read my posts and check your eyes. I have a thief and a warrior. However I am here most of the time moreso then anywhere else.

You have read dozens of my posts here trying to fix the warrior, but YOU CAN SEE THE TOOLTIPS IN THE LINKS.

Backstab isn’t the 1-hit-kill attack you say it is. Its less damage then most other normal abilities.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-Backstab-Picture/first#post2185307

Looks like you just hit a warrior, judging by what you stole.

What if:

He had frenzy, taking another 25% damage?

What if he had full zerker? There is only a 180 armor difference between thief and warrior…

Its balanced, because glass cannons are suppost to kill glass cannons, and you hit another glass cannot with a damage increase on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_rXq2LYg0

Sniper Warrior, hitting 18-25k criticals from kill shot.

So you are comparing an adrenaline skill that snares you on the floor and can be avoided very easy with a skill that can 1hit kill you from stealth…

Nope, its not balanced.

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Fenrir.5493:

Daecollo.9578:

Warriors do more damage then thieves.

Axe autoattack’s 3 chain does more damage then backstab.
Whirling Wrath does more damage then backstab.

Lies, not even the 3 hists of axe autoattack are the same damage of 1 single backstab, even dagger autattack does more damage, what are you doing here in this forum?, you clearly have a thief that enjoys 1 hit killing people.

Fenrir, read my posts and check your eyes. I have a thief and a warrior. However I am here most of the time moreso then anywhere else.

You have read dozens of my posts here trying to fix the warrior, but YOU CAN SEE THE TOOLTIPS IN THE LINKS.

Backstab isn’t the 1-hit-kill attack you say it is. Its less damage then most other normal abilities.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-Backstab-Picture/first#post2185307

Looks like you just hit a warrior, judging by what you stole.

What if:

He had frenzy, taking another 25% damage?

What if he had full zerker? There is only a 180 armor difference between thief and warrior…

Its balanced, because glass cannons are suppost to kill glass cannons, and you hit another glass cannot with a damage increase on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_rXq2LYg0

Sniper Warrior, hitting 18-25k criticals from kill shot.

So you are comparing an adrenaline skill that snares you on the floor and can be avoided very easy with a skill that can 1hit kill you from stealth…

Nope, its not balanced.

I will compare to whirling wrath then, which does more damage, can hit more targets.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/external?l=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJgYhGde9Qmc

Or how about the roaming elementalist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyahdHO0WHk&list=LLmzSk2tr1p9t2yv9glC613Q

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Warriors do more damage then thieves.

Axe autoattack’s 3 chain does more damage then backstab.
Whirling Wrath does more damage then backstab.

Lies, not even the 3 hists of axe autoattack are the same damage of 1 single backstab, even dagger autattack does more damage, what are you doing here in this forum?, you clearly have a thief that enjoys 1 hit killing people.

Fenrir, read my posts and check your eyes. I have a thief and a warrior. However I am here most of the time moreso then anywhere else.

You have read dozens of my posts here trying to fix the warrior, but YOU CAN SEE THE TOOLTIPS IN THE LINKS.

Backstab isn’t the 1-hit-kill attack you say it is. Its less damage then most other normal abilities.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-Backstab-Picture/first#post2185307

Looks like you just hit a warrior, judging by what you stole.

What if:

He had frenzy, taking another 25% damage?

What if he had full zerker? There is only a 180 armor difference between thief and warrior…

Its balanced, because glass cannons are suppost to kill glass cannons, and you hit another glass cannot with a damage increase on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_rXq2LYg0

Sniper Warrior, hitting 18-25k criticals from kill shot.

So you are comparing an adrenaline skill that snares you on the floor and can be avoided very easy with a skill that can 1hit kill you from stealth…

Nope, its not balanced.

I will compare to whirling wrath then, which does more damage, can hit more targets.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/external?l=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJgYhGde9Qmc

Or how about the roaming elementalist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyahdHO0WHk&list=LLmzSk2tr1p9t2yv9glC613Q

I have seen that video before and its clearly wvw, in pvp you are not going to do that damage, but thieves can, and you cant see it coming, if they fail they will just try again, if you manage to lower their health then they will run stealth and reset the fight, it dosent matter how you look at it, its not fair.