Guild Wars 2

anet need to answer to this

ALL ABOARD THE ESPORT TRAIN!

so? are we esport yet? sooo?

I did chat with Posi few days ago, and he almost convinced me that he maybe was a decent guy afterall… Never again trusting Posi.

After seeing the screnshots, it checks with the things i already knew, they even deleted all the videos.

Anyone made a screenshot of the post? Or it’s lost forever? If anyone have it, send me a pm pls.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Arganthium.5638:

In allocating resources to Esports, I think he means the fairly large focus on the PAX tournament (although he might have slightly exaggerated it).

As for fun, I think he just means balance, and, if you saw his post from last week about spam, and the post that was on the same line of thought that I put up recently about skills being used more tactically and strategically than they currently are.

Sure, except the PAX event is being mostly managed by our events, marketing and community teams. No resources are being taken away from development for PAX.

As for fun, we understand that balance isn’t in it’s ideal place. This is why we have a balance team that focuses completely on balance. Time is needed to balance, it can’t be done at the snap of a finger.

Well this is a lie, the pvp can be fixed with a snap of a finger, the problem are the devs that don’t listen to a part of the balance team (the players).

Who has the power to decide on the changes, doesn’t have the knowledge to do so. You ignore the feedback you get from valid players and insist to do the changes you think are ’’right’’.

I will make an example: Once upon a time when mesmers were almost oneshotting with shatters, you guys decided to change a trait that was giving 1 stack of might x shatter, into 3 stack of might x shatter. It was a total disaster, mesmers were running around with 20+ stacks of might all the time, blowing tanks like if they were made of paper.

That change was soooooo bad, everyone told you (the devs) to not do it, you didn’t care and you did it anyway. As a result of that, we played with a broken meta till you reverted the change in the patch after.

There are dozen of players that could fix the pvp with a snap of fingers, without touching the pve balance or wvwvw, but it’s impossible for them to do so, because you are terrible at listening.

4/5 small changes and you could fix 90% of the problems, giving the game a decent lvl of balance. After that you could take a little more time to work on the 10%, polishing the game with some more complex changes.

The devs are impossible to reason with, they don’t listen to anybody. Look at the free/paid/monthly tournament stuff, it was obviously a bad idea for this game, and yet they ignored the feedback, and wasted kittenloads of money and time on it. Think about what could’ve they done with the money and time they spent on that project.

All your base are belong to us, EU have over nine thousand good teams, i’m afraid NA doesn’t stand a chance.

I apologize for my bad english

Java is from the US, they are 1 month behind in the meta, all the US teams got stomped when they came in EU.

Xeph is a cool guy, but i haven’t seen TP in paid for more than 1 month, and the meta changed a lot meanwhile.

And who is ‘’Vain?’’

It’s just my 2 cents, but i think that doing this kind of thing is pretty arrogant, at least win a lan event and prove that you’ve a deep knowledge of the meta before talking.

Maybe it’s just me thinking that it’s arrogant, it’s a subjective opinion, and i might be wrong. The main problem i have with this kind of things is that it might end up like the other time, where that guy Meteor said a bunch of stuffs that weren’t true.

I don’t think i need to explain why having a bunch of people, (that may or may not have the knowledge) talking to a big crowd, could mislead the community into believe in something that is wrong.

‘’No weapon swapping hurts competitive play’’ you could’ve said ‘’in my opinion this change…’‘, you don’t represent the competitive scene, you shouldn’t claim something so strongly, making people belive that all the top teams share this opinion.

For example us ’’SS’’ are welcoming this change, and apparently many other teams do aswell.
If could suggest something, i would propose a PvP only item, that you keep in the bag, and gives you 8 sec swiftness, 60 sec cd, only usable out of combat.

Warriors are viable, we often play with fred on warrior, not having problems against anyone because of that.

Adwilla’s team is one of the best 4/5 teams out there, he’s not lying.

ops double post

AllieMurdock.1785:

As the ArenaNet point of contact for this stream, I’d like to comment on something that was mentioned earlier in this thread.

There were no pre-set questions for this stream. We did have a list of topics that we wanted to make sure to touch on, but this did not include pre-set questions. We did not specify any areas, other than PvE/WvW (for the obvious reason that this interview was geared towards sPvP), which should not be discussed.

This was not a scripted discussion by any means.

What we were hoping to do was answer questions during the live stream that were being asked in the own3D channel. However, due to connection issues, we were not able to do the live stream and therefore did not take questions from the chat.

Anyway, thank you all for taking the time to watch the video and give us feedback. It’s greatly appreciated!

-Allie

you are twisting the truth, people did not complain that there was a list of pre set questions. I called you out that there was a list of taboo questions, that you did not want to answer. And they were all the questions that people really wanted an answer for.

It is not freedom of speech if you obligate people to NOT ask certain questions. I am also pretty sure that you knew what i ment, and that you twisted my post not in good faith.

If it turns out that you misunderstood it, i will apologize, but it just look like a low blow for now.

Pls, do not try to twist what people say, it is not elegant or just.

I’m so mad, they are openly lying on the forums, and the ‘’top players’’ who should do the interest of the community, betrayed the community to not anger Anet.

That’s why i never signed any NDA, and i didn’t partecipate at close tests and talks, i don’t let people tell me what i can do or say.

We should do a 1 hour show hosted by the community, where the community decide the questions to be asked. We do a poll on the internet and the top questions will be answered live on the show.
Do you think Anet would partecipate? NO, they would hide under a rock for the fear of being asked questions about eSport, rankeds, lan events, and other important topics.

JonathanSharp.7094:

FluffyDoe.7539:

I have a question here; How come Mr.Sharp was so eased on saying “we need to do a better job communicating with the players”, but he has yet to agree with the fact that having ranking/matchmaking at launch would have made the ‘state of the game’ much better than where it’s at now?

I spoke of this on Friday, but let me reiterate.

We could have had rankings, but without tournaments or a way to get teams playing against each other in an organized fashion, they would have ranked…..nothing. Just the pub play matches. That’s why we wanted to set down a framework first, then add in the custom arenas (for practicing/developing organized matches) and rankings. Having rankings without tourneys or a matchmaking system literally wouldn’t do anything…you would just have rankings based on random pub matches where teams would be anything from 1-8 players. Seems bad to me. That’s why we made that decision.

Does that make sense?

J

No, fake. Instead of making the tournaments system, you had the time to make a simple 5v5 ranked, and a solo q ranked.

You are in denial, the whole tournament system was a bad idea, and people told you that before the bwe1, only recently you realized how important was the ranked system, that’s why you changed your priorities, that’s why we don’t have the private servers, because you are now working on rankeds.

A simple elo system with a soloq, and a q for premades was much easier to code, don’t even try to sell us the story that we could’ve rankeds but with nothing else.

You wanted to be different for the sake of being different, and it backfired.

@Xeph, you said it yourself, there was a list of thing that you COULDN’T talk about, but it wasn’t because of time, it was because Anet said ‘’we DON’T talk about this, this and this. That’s why the community is mad, and they have all the rights to be.

State of the Game Discussion with ArenaNet, was a farce, they NEVER had any intentions of answering those questions in the first place.

Anet behavior is shady at best, don’t trust people that don’t share their plans, the thing they say about ‘’not making empty promises’’ it’s fake, they sold this game as ‘’the next eSport’’ and the pvp is very far from being an eSport.

@Xeph, I’ve a huge respect for you, but i’ve to say that you only said HALF the turth, and we both know i’m right. You can’t espect people not to be mad after how Anet treated us, the fact that the community unleash their rage on whoever appears on the screen is unfortunate but predictable.

I don’t have the balls to be a whistleblower, so i’ll just say what is already well known but most people still don’t realize.

a) The game was not supposed to be released so early, that’s why the pvp is unfinished.

b) Anet is in denial, they crippled themselves with the tournament system, and they can’t/won’t admit it.

c) The game will be good, trust me. Anet being in denial is just slowing down the process, but it will be good eventually.

I don’t want to make this a wall of text, but if you want to know why the game is not working, and what should’ve been, you can read my quote from another topic:

Ace of Spades.6325:

Sorry for my Engrish.

No, and we will not be for a long time. They went for this tournament system for the sake of being different, crippling down the game for the next 5 months at least.

The concept is not bad, the problem is that the devs working on pvp are just mere humans, they can’t code faster.

This system requires many things to be finished:

Hot Join
Free Tournaments
Paid Tournaments
Monthly Tournaments
Ranked System
Private Servers
Spectator Mode

It’s very complicated to code and project something like this. But they could’ve worked on something standard, and at this point we would prolly have twice the player base, and most the features needed to start an eSport.

Example:

Unranked Q, both solo and premade. (1 match, random map)
Solo Q ranked, solo or 2 man premade. (1 match, random map)
Ranked Q, premade only. (1 match, random map) <—— no need for 8 teams to be online.
Private servers.
Spectator mode.

With a system like this, both casuals and hardcorers would be able to play at anytime of the day, instead Anet decided to be hipsters, being different for the sake of being different, and now casuals can’t play at all (without getting stomped), and hardcorers can only at specific hours.

If i was in charge, i would put the effort into bringing a ranked solo q in the game as fast as possible, that’s the main thing that keeps the average/hardcorish player playing the game. Some people simply don’t have the time to find 4 good players, but they still want to play competitive, also i could name at least 10 friends who stopped playing cuz ‘’i don’t play unranked games’’. I strongly belive that if we had a system like the one i suggested (and most big games have it) we would’ve a much healtier game.

I don’t feel like doing a wall of text about each class and what can you play vs mesmers, so i’ll just give you three true facts:

D/D is good vs mesmers, i remember Eve is mad running it, he was one of the few people i had an hard time winning 1v1, not even mesmers from other top teams gave me such close fights.

Scepter/D support tanky, is a nightmare to down.

If you want something less skill demanding, PNecro is the top choice, you should never lose 1v1 against a mesmer.

No they are not, there are many classes/spec that can win easly against a mesmer, even if the mesmer is more skilled.

They owe us an update on their esport agenda, there are people who invested quite a lot of time/effort in this game because of Anet’s empty promises or esport.

nerva.7940:

BobJoeXXI.2493:

Not until JonPeters masters Death Shroud

Funny, he was right. Good necros are running around owning face with good death shroud execution.

No, they aren’t, necro was never bad, you just need to play him with a setup that can support him. The necro grows stronger the more condi dealers you’ve in your team.
People didn’t master Death Shroud, it’s not very hard to use it in the first place…

With burst being nerfed, you just see more full bunkers/aoe setups, most of them run the Engi+Necro combo with 3/4 svanirs. That’s why you saw more necros lately.

Sorry for my Engrish.

No, and we will not be for a long time. They went for this tournament system for the sake of being different, crippling down the game for the next 5 months at least.

The concept is not bad, the problem is that the devs working on pvp are just mere humans, they can’t code faster.

This system requires many things to be finished:

Hot Join
Free Tournaments
Paid Tournaments
Monthly Tournaments
Ranked System
Private Servers
Spectator Mode

It’s very complicated to code and project something like this. But they could’ve worked on something standard, and at this point we would prolly have twice the player base, and most the features needed to start an eSport.

Example:

Unranked Q, both solo and premade. (1 match, random map)
Solo Q ranked, solo or 2 man premade. (1 match, random map)
Ranked Q, premade only. (1 match, random map) <—— no need for 8 teams to be online.
Private servers.
Spectator mode.

With a system like this, both casuals and hardcorers would be able to play at anytime of the day, instead Anet decided to be hipsters, being different for the sake of being different, and now casuals can’t play at all (without getting stomped), and hardcorers can only at specific hours.

If i was in charge, i would put the effort into bringing a ranked solo q in the game as fast as possible, that’s the main thing that keeps the average/hardcorish player playing the game. Some people simply don’t have the time to find 4 good players, but they still want to play competitive, also i could name at least 10 friends who stopped playing cuz ‘’i don’t play unranked games’’. I strongly belive that if we had a system like the one i suggested (and most big games have it) we would’ve a much healtier game.

produde.8092:

Dear Adwila, I have read the entire thread indeed. Considering Ques are only up for like 6-8 hours a day means you have a good chance meeting the good teams a lot. Consider this, at the prime time you will always meet at least one good team you have to beat, if you dont beat them you lose -> no QP. But I agree playing very late and long can help you evading meeting the good teams, but still winning just for like 2-3 hours is not long enough to get, lets say 40 QP. Seeing the names on the ladders I tend to say those guys are actually pretty good, otherwise they wouldn’t be there.
Though it may even look like SS has played a kittenload more games compared to other teams, doesn’t mean they are bad, just practice a lot. But it also doesn’t mean they are twice as good as CN or teams like that either, just because they have twice as much QP.

Actually Chieftan Ninjas played much more compared to us, i’m highest in ss, and i dinged rank 41 today, they have some ranks 45 and 47.

@PetricaKerempuh

I have 200+ tikets, 8k gems, bought everything i wanted in the store, and i didn’t pay a single $.

@Adwilla

Point me one team in the ladder who has high QP and is bad. I dare you.

The problem is that the tournaments system need much more work to bee good than a standard system. It will be good in 3/4 months of hardcore coding, but they still need to code: ratings ladders, monthly tournaments (big work here) and the spectator mode.

I’m sure that the final product will be good, the problem is the time of delivery, the game is already dying, and a lot of good players already left the game (and will not come back), i’m not talking about casuals, i’m talking about the competitive scene.

With only 2/3 teams per region you can’t make an eSport, you can’t belive that pros will keep playing a game where they make no money because there are no lans (no lan no stream).

Kerishan.8460:

Qualify point is a joke, only 3 4 party play and win, random CAN’T or who don’t use standard bunkers build CAN’T win at all.

I think ANet should fix this.

This is fake, we play 1 semi bunker and 4 glass cannon roamers, and we are first in the ladder.

Aragiel.6132:

@Ace of Spades.6325

tournaments are not that bad at all, but its too many formats for us and poorly splited.
your solution also does have too much split considering there need to be custom tournaments in order to continue and prepare GW2 to be e-sport game.
but you right in the ladders.
it could be still like this

a) free tournaments (solo players, ranked). Queues are made based on player rating.
b) premade tournaments (team ranked)
c) custom tournaments & leagues organized by players and other community servers

i strongly believe we do not need hot-join format at all. We just need two ladders and two tournaments format. There is enough premades outhere.. but they just are matched against wrong enemies..

I’ve no clue of what you’re talking about, too many formats? There is only one format, maybe you’re talking about Queues, and even in that case i don’t understand what you mean, since there are only 3 Q, LoL has something like 20+ Q…

Pray.9751:

Ace of Spades.6325:

They wanted to be different for the sake of being different, and that’s bad.

That kind of reminds of down-state …

How many fights i would’ve won 1v2 if wasn’t for downed state… but it’s kinda good now, if you think about it, the downed state allows fights to last longer without healers.

The downed state was super bad at release, but now it’s ok. When you res someone, you heal so much, that you’re basically an healer, wich can work in a game without a healer class. But we are going off topic.

Sry for my poor English, I’m rank1 on the EU, and i think that they should’ve not made this ladder, it’s a bad joke, as you can see only few teams are playing PT, casual teams have almost 0 chances to win.

The QP’s ladder shows that Anet made a poor decision… i knew from BWE2 that the tournament system was a bad idea, the concept behind it it’s bad, and you can’t do much about it.

They wanted to be different for the sake of being different, and that’s bad. I know that it’s easy to complain, so now i’m gonna explain how they could’ve done better, with less effort.

3 Queues:

a) hot join, 5v5, unranked
b) soloQ, ranked
c) premadeQ, ranked

2 ladders:

a) soloQ ladder, reset once a year
b) premadeQ ladder, reset every 1-2 month/s

1 tournament:

a) A monthly tournament, where the top X teams of the premade ladder are invited to play.

This tournament system was a kitten nightmare, so many bugs, so much time spent coding for nothing, so much effort for have a bad format. They wanted to be different, and they just ended up doing something overly complicated.

If they were coding a simple elo system and not tournaments, we would be playing with ladders, private servers and ratings already.

There can be no Arenas in GW2, the game is balanced toward conquest, Arena will never be balanced, and people would only complain for nothing, since the game is, and will always be balanced toward conquest.

Arena is only good if balanced, no balance, no Arena.

Not even one started, during all the day.

Nerf portal and enjoy your new meta with one full bunker guardian standing on the first capture point, enjoy only ele and thieves being viable as dps, because they’ve superior mobility.

The portal makes so that you can teleport back and defend your point with slow classes like necro, engi, ranger. Without portals, classes with lesser mobility would suffer from a huge disvantage, and you would have a more bunkerish meta.

Is portal OP? Yes, the best skill in the game imo.
Do you need to nerf it? No, every team can play with a mesmer (like a guardian mid).

The portal is not a spell that instantly oneshot someone, and it’s a spell that every team can use, it has a short cd, wich makes it NOT random, meaning that both team will have it up at the same time, it’s not like timewarp or plagueform, that have a longer cd, and the team who has it in cd will most likely end up losing the fight.

Think about it, the portal is needed, or the meta would shift toward a more slow and boring gameplay.

Good teams play Paid tournaments for free, you never run out of tikets if you win, and that’s what Paid tournaments are for, they are made so that the top teams can fight eachother for qualifier points.

The only reason bunkers are under control (kinda) are mesmers, without the mesmer with the portal on the first base, what would be the best choice for a first base defender? BUNKER.

Without Moa, and Time Warp, people would play 5 bunkers, and some teams already play 3/4 of them.

@Aragiel,

The fear, people have 100+ tikets and are still afraid of playing.

What are you planning to do with your 100 tikets? If you don’t play it’s like if you don’t have them anyway. Just play and burn all your tikets, if you don’t use them, it’s like not having them anyway, use them, at least you’ll play some good games.

How many teams are not playing paid cuz they are scared? If all of them would play, the skill cap of the paid tournaments would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay lower.

The smart thing to do is to burn tikets now, when people are too scared of playing. You’ll get to play lots of games against the best teams.
Remember, when they’ll implement the ranked system, casuals will never be able to play and learn from the top teams.

I play a little of lol, and i’d waste all my tikets to play against M5,TSM, Azubu, CLG,TA.

Loosing all your tikets against top teams, will make you improve way faster, than those who are too scared to play anything else besides FT.

No, having more stats options would destroy the balance of the game. The game need to stay simple to achieve a good balance.

Doesn’t matter how good the mechanics are, if the game is unbalanced it’s not fun. I’d pick a simple game with good balance over one with 123435465765786868 builds but unbalanced.

They tried to balance the game for months now, and they did a good job so far, the game has the best balance i’ve ever seen in mmos so young. Look at how WoW is doing, the balance is a train wreck, too much Sheet, it’s a nightmare to balance, you might expect a game that has been out for almost a decade, to be balanced, but it’s the opposite.

In GW2 you can pick any class, and and still have at least 2 good builds viable even at the top lvls.

Paid tournaments reward qualifier points, if a bad team could chain spam paid tournaments it might end up playing the monthly event without deserving it.

Burn all your tikets, and if you’re still not good enough, spam free tournaments, till you get good enough. Organize sync Q with other teams might help you improve faster.

The top teams did the same, they spammed FT and mixed some Sync Q.

But i strongly belive that an average team can win a PT once in a while, and can easly get 2nd or 3/4th place without much problems, and that’s enough to spam PT without running out of tikets.

people only come to forums to QQ, who has no problems will not bother with forums most of the times.

The entry fee is not too high, the average team, will not run out of tikets, and will even be able to buy some cosmetics. All of my friends who play the game casually, have gained tikets, and bought charter slots and skins.

The hardcore teams, have infinite tikets, and loads of gems already, i think the rewards might even be a little too high.

If everyone was supposed to play PT, there would be no fee, the teams who run out of tikets, need to improve a little more, before playing PT again.

@Aragiel.

You said it yourself, you mostly endup in the first map, your team is clearly not good enough to play paid tournaments yet.

If you play 5 tournaments and:

You lose twice in the first map
You lose once in the second map
You lose once in the third map
You win once in the third map

You get 15+10+4+0+0 = 29 tikets, and you only had to pay 25 tikets, wich means you’re up of 4 tikets.

All my friends that are by no means hardcore players, and play less than you, have already bought at least 1 700gems skin, a charter slot, without running out of tikets.

The top teams, have so many gems and tikets that have no clue about what to do with them.

@Aragiel.
it’s not true that the cost of paid tournaments it’s too high. The 1st gets 15 tikets (you buy with gems), 2nd 10 tikets, 3/4 place is 4 tikets. Wich means that you need to win an average of 1.2 games per tournament, to never run out of tikets.

I had 150 tikets when i started, now i have 200 tikets, a charter slot, 2 constumes, and i can still buy 200 tikets with the gems.

They had treb too, and he was already at 20% healt cuz of 1v2 when i joined in.

Don’t you think to be a little arrogant? I played the game, it was my team, we did talk about it later, and so i know how he felt about being mid.
Do you think we would send a thief mid against Paradigm without even testing it? We tested it, and we saw that the thief wins at clock vs guardians.

They did a good job outnumbering us mid, but we outnumbered them somewhere else.

Lowell was 1v2 most of the game, that’s why he was losing, he was supposed to survive till we could secure our treb and take down theirs, and he did it very well.

Plus he says that he’s losing all the time, but in the end he always win XD

It’s a pretty bad comb, just play a standard comp with some condi dmg, like: Ranger, Necro, Eng, Guardian, thief.

Hopeless.8195:

Ace of Spades.6325:

phaeris.7604:

Oh I have no doubt he’s a great player.

Being more skilled than the next guy doesn’t change the numbers coming off abilities.

Mesmers are so good everywhere, not just in khylo.You get the luxury of picking and choosing fights.

So pray tell, as a mesmer have you ever lost to any class apart from another mesmer? If that?

Do you mean 1v1? Guardians, thieves, eles, necros and rangers, all have at least 1 viable build that mesmers can’t win 1v1 or they have a hard time dealing with.

You mean where a class would have to spec specifically to deal with mesmer and might just win but not necessarily .

They are not builded specifically to deal with mesmers, they just happen to be good against it. For example the support ele is good to kill trebs, and it can deal with mesmers easly.

phaeris.7604:

Oh I have no doubt he’s a great player.

Being more skilled than the next guy doesn’t change the numbers coming off abilities.

Mesmers are so good everywhere, not just in khylo.You get the luxury of picking and choosing fights.

So pray tell, as a mesmer have you ever lost to any class apart from another mesmer? If that?

Do you mean 1v1? Guardians, thieves, eles, necros and rangers, all have at least 1 viable build that mesmers can’t win 1v1 or they have a hard time dealing with.

I hope, you’ll enjoy <3

Support ele, dancing dagger thief can render a mesmer useless in khylo. And in forest i would never pick more than one mesmer, since a necro or a ranger can bring much more in team fights, and thiefs/warriors are much better for beasts control.

hi guyz, i saw lots of QQ and not much theory craft… i know that, you might feel hopeless against X or Y, but you just need to figure out how to counter it.
The balance might not be perfect yet, but every class is counterable/viable, and for such a young game, it’s quite an impressive feat.

I hope you’ll enjoy the game, we are using a thief mid, instead of the classic Bunker Guardian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYcFrmmikXY

Have faith in Anet, they are doing an amazing job with the balance, if you have a problem with a specific class/spec/strategy, feel free to ask, i’ll do my best to help.

There is a number of class/spec that can easly take the mesmer down in 1v1, if you wish to play thief, the dancing dagger spec does wonders against mesmers.

I wanted to raise a problem that many competitive teams might face in the near future.

Due to the nature of the game, being able to practice against both US and Eu teams is important, but it’s not always possible, sadly the world xfer is limited to 1/24h.

Would be nice having 3 server xfer per day till the guest option is implemented.
Or in the alternative, having an option to q on the US servers from the Eu, and viceversa.

Buying a second account is an option, but i belive that everyone likes to play with his cosmetics, especially if paid with gems.