HoT Price Feedback + Base game included [merged]
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Posted by: Alexander Dragonfang.1759
Thank you, but your warrior is kinda on the DPS end of the possible spectrum of shout builds, not to mention it uses GS and i absolutely hate GSs xD!
Berserker Weapons: Intelligence to land those sweet final thrust, rest, just stack might by swapping and hydromancy… Im just used to it.
Sword and Shield because amazing combo.
Hammer for even moar cripple (and i kinda want to go away from the “must use bow” trend)
Knight Armor: Trooper for the last sweet buff to shouts.
Soldier Accesories: Im not sure about the upgrade for these…
Shout healer. (im addicted to this…)
Food to get healing power and critical rate to 30%, not much ferocity, but anyway… I think it balances…
The idea is to have a good survavility warrior that can do a bit of damage and support others arround it. Im planning this build thinking about roaming and PvE (i make my own parties so i can completely ignore the stackzerker meta).
Any idea?
No new weapon for warrior. Instead a third weapon set with reduced power/conditions/buffs.
Do you think Anet is hiding something big
in Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
Posted by: Alexander Dragonfang.1759
I hope no. Or this will be the most expensive patch ever. No one near enough content or features to be called an expansion, not to mention, to be worth a price tag.
Thank you.
That that is, strictly speaking of PvP. I`ve always wondered why this wasn`t a day 1 feature… Anyway, thank you very much.
Are they ever going to be a reality?
Having a profile page with lets say, 3 slots for PvE, PvP and WvW builds would be amazing for those who like to vary their game style time to time and don`t want to have to manually change every single piece of gear and traits.
Is a QoL need in a game with so many possible combinations for the same class.
Get a full cleric set and healing signet. Enjoy 5 people trying miserably to take you down while you laugh at their face and keep your group buffed. Warrior maybe never was meant to be a top tier DPS.
But in survival department…? God tier.
Name all the other professions that have to use ONE particular weapon to even be viable!
Warrior doesn`t need to use any weapon to be viable.
Trying to fit in the meta, you have all lost your souls!
Metabattle hasn`t all the builds for any game mode. Just has the more commonly accepted as good builds based on the metagame right now.
The number of pretty decent and also fun builds missing the site is big. But is a nice place to start. But don`t use metabattle as if that limited number of builds was all there is, cause it`s not.
I made some slight changes ditching out condition damage.
I reduced healing power a big deal too, but i think there is enough of it to keep making a diference in regen per second y shout healing.
2k power, 2k toughtness, 32k HP…
I think it look very hard to crack and now it has at least a something to bite back with. Running hammer and sword/shield for mobility, crippling and control reasons, i think they suit the better the supportish role of this and also the idea of behind this.
Yes, i know how messy the gear is, using cleric, sentinel and soldier all over the place.
Opinions?
Control and Order are something this game needs desperately. Without control you can`t really implemente mechanics in the game. And as result, we have that 99% of the game bosses are stack and spank.
This opens a window for more dept, challenging combat, which is not the same than hard btw.
This is really, one of the best things about HoT till now.
Thank you for those advices. Yet, i really think i want to ditch out the condition damage, at least for a while.
I have been running with a condition/regen warrior for a time now. But since conditions just don`t work most of the time (tho you love when they do) i have been wanting to give it a spin.
I have been running with a full aphotecary and passiflora sets. But now i have been thinking about go for something more heavy hitting while keeping the regen and who knows, maybe give it a chance with support shouts maybe?
Right now i run with sword/sword and longbow. with a 0/0/6/6/4 full apothecary/passiflora with Dwyana.
Survivality wise i have no buts, i can take more than just a beating (i have seen up to 5 people trying miserably to take me down but never going down the 9k HP) but the damage i do is just pathetic, so the best i can do is to support with shouts and literally do just “side-damage”
Any idea?
Has the team done a mention to this?
It isnt.
Since is leaving players out of 1/3 of his own story. Pretty much nailed it. I do not know of any MMORPG who does that kind of stupidity.
A failure if you consider that all new players to the game have a freaking stupid black age of argument between personal story (or treaharne`s…) and the events of the S2 which also they have to buy on top… But ok, lets not enter that discussion. But still the gap is there, and is pretty freaking big.
It was a TERRIBLE idea, a complete failure to do living story like LS1. And fixing it on S2 (and not by much) means that you got at best a 5/10 which is a failure, and thats at best, i would call it a 3/10.
The problem here was lack of foresight. Absolutely lack of it. No thinking in the future, on the new players, etc. I know this cause i brought a few pals with me like a few weeks ago, the ones who stayed are starting S2 but they feel like nothing makes sense cause they didn`t saw the S1.
Is not like is a complex story or anything, but is still annoying when you want to like and try a game so bad but the game itself isn`t friendly with you. Just because of this and the treatment of new players and the lack of vision from part of the team.
Living story is one of the worst ways of story telling to date in MMORPG history.
Hello there.
Im a returning player and i have broght a friend with me, we are looking for a guild in sorrow`s furnace. We want to join a guild that does all kind of content, we are open for everything, we both leveling new characters too.
We also would like a relaxed enviroment, and people to play dungeons without being pressured to speed run things, you know, enjoy the ride… Also, we like small guilds, groups of people we can really get to know, nothing big with hundreds of players for us, sorry =X
Of course yes.
Considering how many elements of the game could perfectly fit into Raids, the lack of Raids already in this game is almost a sin. Fighting bosses while one team has to do a jumping puzzles to activate the thing while other team defends the thing and another teamis defending the guys loading the thing.
15 people per Raid would be just fine. Rewards need to be equivalent to other content and that is, you will have just another content some people will enjoy. I don`t understand why this community is so afraid of change.
Why do you refuse to acknowledge the fact that you DO NOT HAVE TO PAY IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE CONTENT?
Either you can trade gold for gems. OR you can join someone that have the content unlocked.
Paying with real money is one out of THREE options. Why do you only focus on that one while completely disregarding the other two?
Since gold has a relative market value cause can be traded for gems, gold and gems are exactly the same really, now, considering the trade values, for a new player buying this chapters is completely impossible, and by the time they are able to mass that many gold, who knows, Anet might even lock the LS2 away. So no, the gold one isn`t free.
The second option is reasonable, but since none of us can get into them lol, and considering there is people SELLING to be away with the trade of gems…. This is not a easy way, but well, better is nothing.
And third, this shouldn`t even be a thing. But since it is, i guess me and my friends will have to enjoy the spectacular story line of GW2 through youtube videos, because, you know, thats how you enjoy games today anyway.
120$ per chapter? Your math is TERRIBLE.
I REALLY think you need to sit down and THINK about this again…
It could be 1 cent. The issue is the same.
I am rather certain that I can play stuff released 2 year ago in Guild Wars 2 as well.
Fractals being a great example.
Or why not Southsun Cove?Or more recent examples: Edge of the Mists, Skyhammer, Temple of the Silent Storm, Courtyard and Spirit Watch?
Yes, but you can`t do all LS1 quests, you can`t do unless you pay all LS2 quests.
How is it smart to lock your new and returning players away from your main story/argument progress? How do you marketing this anyway? “Hey, there champ! since our LS is so great, we can`t let you play it since you didn`t buy the game on time or didn`t log in, but here, pay for it, or even better, watch it on youtube now!”
Terrific market strategy right there.
The entitlement is strong in this one.
Ok since you seem to fond of WoW this is how you can solve the problem : Every month you buy 15$ worth of gems, the first time you are allowed to buy the ep your missing but after that, with the gems you buy , you get something for the gem shop and you delete it , each and every month, we’ll see how that works out for you.
Im not fond of WoW, but well.
Your terrible analogy applies to FFXIV too. And is terrible, because i have payed 18$ for all 16 months FFXIV has been arround and i haven`t seen deleted any of my progress, all content remains accessible.
There is a diference between paying for time to access content and paying to access content. There is a diference between charging for OPTIONAL things like skins, dyes, finishers, etc and charging for MAIN STORY RELATED content. This is not like they are charging you for optional things, this is no diferent than a game that tells you to pay to increase your level cap, or access a new dungeon.
WoW let`s me play 8 years old content.
Let me know how playing the original zones and dungeons that were all reworked in Cataclysm is working for you, aight? Maybe stream on Twitch?
They changed, but they still there, you are not paying to play them again, you are paying to PLAY. Very, very diferent.
Tasty tears. Mhhh.
Seriously though, there’s nothing dishonest about any of this. The base game is B2P. So is the additional content, as it is with every other game ever. Only Anet is nice enough to make it free for active players who bother to log in ONCE for ONE SECOND during those two weeks. Can’t bother with that? Don’t complain it ain’t free anymore.
FFXIV let`s me play 1 year old content. WoW let`s me play 8 years old content. RO let`s me play 10 years old content. TSW let`s me play 3 years old content. There you have sub-based, B2P and F2P examples. And is like this in pretty much ALL MMO`s on the market.
You know what they do? they might or not charge you for TIME (sub-based) or FUTURE content (B2P-F2P). but they don`t charge you OLD content. I don`t know how i have to explain this in the year 2015 lol.
Worse, they already locked out all new players of the MAIN narrative of the game for pretty much one year. Is like buying a regular game, but since one year passed, you have to start halfway into the argument. Second, you already bought the game, but you have now to pay for the 90% of the remaining argument because you TOOK TOO LONG TO BUY IT. Imagine starting metal gear solid at the Rex boss fight LOL, you can`t play half disc 1 and you have to buy 90% of the disc 2 to properly understand why you are fighting Rex, which you even after paying will not know cause you can`t play like 40% of the game anyway. Sound smart? no, because, lol no, thats not how you do games. LOL.
New players right now go like:
-personal story
-BIG SPACE OF EMPTYNESS BECAUSE YOU DIDN`T BOUGHT THE GAME ON TIME OR LOGED IN IN TWO YEARS, THE SCOURGE OF THE UNFAITHFUL!
-hey nice to see you again! remember the things we did? no? well, nvm, pay to play them even if you already payed for them and try to guess what happend, maybe look for youtube videos.
And don`t even mention buying chepters with gold transactions per gems, cause i have dirty 20 gold which i can`t even buy half the gems i need for 1 of the 7 episodes me and my friends are missing, not to mention this shouldn`t even be a thing in the first place.
Is their fault for not buying the game earlier? is my fault for not logging in for 2 years?
Yes. Yes it is.
Sometimes there’s an opportunity, and if you miss it, it’s gone.
That is a “real life” issue there. The kind of things you would expect to be out of a game sincerely. Leaving players OUTSIDE your game`s story is not wise in anyway, charging them for that when you are not a sub-based and on top of that a B2P which market strategy was “pay once, play all you want” isn`t wise neither. kitten , even sub-based games you can just pay your sub after 4 years of innactivity and do 8 years old quests if you missed one, this is just lol.
I knew that after 2 years the only players would be remaining on this forums would be die hard white knight, but this is amazing LOL.
No one sees nothing wrong with this, like… for real? Guess Anet could also try charging gems for entering dungeons and on one will say a thing…
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Why do i have to pay for OLDER content in a BUY TO PLAY game in the first place?
Why my friends can`t do the first part of the living story?
Is their fault for not buying the game earlier? is my fault for not logging in for 2 years?
17.5 USD could be a nice game on steam, considering we already PAYED for the game, why we have to pay even further? why my friends can`t enjoy all the game they payed for?
What is this nonesense really…
Well, returning player, stoped playing a bit after the fractals, just at the start of the living story thingy. So, considering the announcements and all, i decided to give the game a try for the old times and also got a few friends interested on it, considering how much time has passed i thought we will have LOTs of things to do…
Oh how wrong i was.
For real? charging to play OLD content? how do i tell my friends now “the game has nice storyline, you just have to pay 120 USD per chapter to enjoy it, and forget about the first half, you can`t play it anymore LOL”.
Who… who told you guys this was a good idea…? Not only for returning players, OLDER returning players, but for new players too, not only they are missing HALF your updates, they have to pay for the other half…?
This bad, this is facebook cashgrab game bad. Even if i left, i always considered this to be a serious AAA mmorpg. My friends feel SCAMMED just by paying 10 USD for the game, no matter how much content they can do, being locked away from part of it feels just WRONG.
I came with 5 friends. One already unninstalled the game.
Of course Tera has great combat. That’s ALL it has!
I literally did a quest in Tera to kill 10 XYZ’s, turned it in, and got ANOTHER QUEST TO DO THE SAME THING. lol. The combat system’s not archaic, but the questing system and the rest of the game is.
Quest are classic, it a appeals to people who like classic quest, is a matter of choice not a quality itself. Being that said, DE in GW2 are just terrible, they are repetitive, they are chained, and you are always doing the very same thing. The only thing that changed is the way it is delivered, which is not much better than the classic questing.
And the rest of the game archaic? you know what is archaic? GW2 bosses, no raid content, overall gear desing, the new ascended armor, compared to the most basic armor set of TERA… Just lol.
Sorry but GW2 combat is actually one of the worst parts of it.
Is a hybrid between tab-targeting and action – Till there is a good idea. But then you add unresposive combat itself, lack of skills and combinations (there is a reason why everyone plays just like everyone else) add the lack of a role for each character and that everything is summed up into “roll, roll, burst, roll, roll.”
There are tab targeting games with far better combat, for example, FFXIV.
There are action games with far better combat, for example, Vindictus and TERA.
And there are hybrid tab-action games with far better combat, for example, Blade & Soul.
GW2, again, trying to do everything “new and fresh” screw basic things up. Combat is one of the really weak spots of GW2.
Do you people understand they are making this, the first real boss that lives up the minimal standars of any MMORPG right?
Consider this now a Raid, come on white knights, dont celebrate something this game should have since the begining.
Seasons
Better Weather Effects
Dark Nights (no, not Christian Bale)
Purchasable Real Estate
Player Owned Shops
Player Owned Farms (for Livestock and Produce)
Fishing, Hunting & Farming Professions
Player-Generated Dynamic Events
Aside from the last one, check FFXIV lol.
You could try something like this instead. The 9 button utility skill you can play around with for another banner, shake it off, berserker stance, stomp, bulls charge, whatever you want or change it around depending what your doing. You will do alot better with it in wvw then your current build but I think it would have a similar playstyle.
Sorry I don’t have much playtime with banners I hate how clunky they are to pickup and move.
The stances are not my cup of tea.
Im trying to mix Banners and Shouts, not for healing of course but for pure buffing. Even if i can just use shouts since are in the same perk as banners… Maybe i just have to switch to shouts. Banner buffs are better but more perk-demanding and they need more care, thats obvius. And combining both… Seems to be hard to do.
Still waiting for a valid argument to use non-zerker builds for PvE-Dungeons other than:
- I don’t want to.
- I can’t because I die all the time.
The first makes it up completely, why would someone play in a way he does not want to?
Thanks for that, but that build is a healing shot and is not what i am aiming nor searching. But you have give me some ideas…
I think most people think w0rr10r OP by reading titles like this…
But respecting the video, is a nice montage and you got to love when a killshot do that much damage.
no point in arguing with somebody who cant and won’t take feedback
I can`t take something i haven`t get, even more when people trying to “help” dont even know how to read… So please, don`t annoy in the thread, there is people actually trying to help me, thanks for your “feedback”.
I would actually really like to see how this build would be headed for dungeons and dynamic events. Though I do believe having more than 1 or 2 banners to be too much. I also would suggest using longbow for fire blast finishers and spread might like there is no tomorrow. Regen may do little without healing power but having a little regen is better than having none.
Healing shouts were very good, I’m not sure if they were touched at all lately but that’s what I used to run but I’ve always wanted to make banners viable like you’re trying to do.
Now, I do not have any build to offer because I posted a topic myself for people to help me put something together but that was my two cents.
Most people are missing the point here, but you.
Yeah, running 4 banners maybe too much, and tactics banner is not that great, maybe i could use Dolyak Sing instead to improve my survival chances.
The point of Banner is to “fire and forget”. Once deployed you forget about them till you have to the next pull in the dungeon, is a static area, shame on Anet for not make them more viable in more “mobile” situations…
Other point, i dont wanna heal anyone. I carry the tactics banner cause i feel it more usefull than defensive banner, but im not putting healing power equipment in a build were regen is just a small detail, not a feature.
And the point with the “feedback” i have recived is that, you missed the whole objective of what i was pressenting.
A flexible warrior (halfway between glass-cannon and bunker) with support (banner buffs) that can be able to crowd control (hammer), range dps (rifle) or move (sword/warhorn). Trying to archive the best possible way all that features, there has to be way to improve…
Well, thanks for nothing everyone~
Now i know why no one ask for anything in this forums /sigh
Lol sorry we cant agree with your build.
And im asking for you all to agree with my build? learn to read.
We gave you feedback and you didnt like it, what do you want me to think.
Which feedback exactly? that low healing power and regen rate does not mix? so now what, i reroll a guardian? thats not how you do “feedback”.
What did you expect or hope people to say when you came on the forums saying your build is perfect?
Read the awnsers before i say that, you might get a little hint of why i say it.
Well, thanks for nothing everyone~
Now i know why no one ask for anything in this forums /sigh
Lol sorry we cant agree with your build.
And im asking for you all to agree with my build? learn to read.
Well, thanks for nothing everyone~
Now i know why no one ask for anything in this forums /sigh
thanks everyone, my build is perfect~
The Build PvE:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJASUjgOtvZPWQ4wBEkCNkLOKUiAM9IMEj1A-jwyAYLhMCCCNAgKEtEYR0YraFRjVtgpKTq6UQ2bos6PEklC4ixAA-e
The Build WvW:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNBiYDbE0p9N7xCCHOggUohcxRhSMFpHhBbsGA-j0yAYLhMCCCNAgKglALiGbVrIasqFMVZSVnCyeDlV/hgsUAXMGA-w
This Build circles the idea of a proper knight, not only having good offensive and defensive capabilities but also inspiring others to do their part while leading the charge into the frag. The build is also flexible allowing to switch between various thrends to focus on diferent kinds of engagements.
Hammer+Rifle: Hammer gives sustained damage and good CC. Rifle allows for ranged sustained damage and a little burst (killshot+volley). Leg Specialist abusses 2 Cripple skills and gives 2 second inmobilize for running or fast moving targets.
Hammer+Sword/Warhorn: More on the support side, hammer still doing its thing, but sword allows for a bit support DoT (Bleeding) and more movement (Leap), also warhorn is great to speed the group and catch their targets. Standarts are the same as above.
Standarts: support all the group and grant a little regen rate, so the pack can fight in a optimal way. All Battlestandart can turn a fight and is in fact, the best elite no mather what kind of warrior… But those strange hurrdurrHBrollface warriors.
The builds dont use ascended items cause idk when i will get them
Any idea on how to make this better? And please, forget about hurrdurrHBw0rr10r.
Lineage II – Nobleze and Subclasses.
Ragnarok Online – Renewal System, War of Emperium 2.0.
World of Tanks – 8.0 Physics Update.
2 ) failure at upgrading braking your equipment .
That remembers me the time i wasted 5 billion zenny in Violet Fears on iRO Valkyrie to get a +15 Violet Fear, i ragequit after that lol
SWG lol, thats pretty much unbeateble.
TERA was a real fail too. But i think GW2 is at least, winner of the year for failure lol
Theres some people here in forum, which are in fact a minority cause im glad we are a mayority but not so glad that many of this mayority stills playing. But it seems that a minority here do not understand our rage, sadness and DISAPOINTMENT with these game, so im making in this thread a little exercise for their minds and why not, if someone from Anet (but i know they aren`t the ones to blame) to understand whats the problem.
Imagine anything you like most, for example, apple pie. Now take the apple from it and you like it as before?
But that is not the worst, thats half the damage some of has recived. Remember the apple pie? Now not just takeout the apple from it, but replace it with the fruit/flavor you hate the most… Will you still like the pie you just buy?
Think about anything like and identify the thing you like most of it, then substrac it from the original product. It is as good as before to you? No. Now replace that thing you like the most with something you totally hate.
That`s what happend to us. GW2 still GW2. Like a pie still a pie no matter what flavor… But for most of us, they extracted the thing we like the most (the casualness non-mandatory grind horizontal progression) and replace it with what hate the most (hardcore mandatory grind which is in process to turn into horizontal progression).
That`s why we are not playing, we are downrating the game, and we are crying out loud in the forums without stop. And the biggest issue here, is not the actual change itself, but that they sold an apple pie and it turns to be a orange pie (i hate oranges).
Is not that Bots have gone, now are normal players the ones who sells their own gold via paypal transactions to the goldsellers lol.
Maybe you should check this thread for some serius feedback.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Thoughts-on-Ascended-Gear-Merged-threads/page/214
Im suprised how thigs have turned on us.
We use to defend the original project of Anet, and now, the grindkittens are the good guys while us have become the whiners, incredible.
Sad thing is, Anet does not give a kitty for us. A game for the players…
Adding numbers =/= Adding content.
This is POWER CREEP, and is going to cost Anet a LOT.