Guild Wars 2

I’m having an exact repeat of the 2013 Dragon Bash with the Shattered Wings; came back to the game about a month after the event ended, missing them forever. And now I’ve come back to it again about a month after the Crystalline Dragon Wings backpack/glider were removed from the gem shop.

So yeah I’d be extremely interested in seeing that (preferably the combo pack) back in the shop some time.

SSGroguey.5841:

Why isn’t this event just a month or so long as a lead up to the expac dropping? Someone did the math on reddit and supposedly you’ll get 1.5k blossoms if lucky, if you’re on an intense grinding spree.

Four days (including 1 day that was buggy and didn’t give proper rewards) just feels like S1 all over again, limited time to experience an event and maybe get some goodies. :|

I just wanna make clear, that math for 1.5k blossoms? That’s if you never log out, disconnect, sleep, or do anything else but play the events on each map every time they start, from the first spawn yesterday to the final spawn on Sunday.

Feedback:

Day 2, post-patch that supposedly fixed people not getting rewards, still no rewards. Whatever the problem causing the daily completion reward per map not working is exacerbated heavily if you happen to disconnect even if you still manage to build back up to 10 stacks before it’s over. Whether you tag and leach from spawn to spawn purely for stacks or actually properly stick around to clear areas out, it makes no difference.

Whether the event is made for new players to have a chance at rewards from prior living stories, or for veterans to get rewards they missed out on, 4 days is NOT ENOUGH TIME for anyone to reasonably get even just one of the 450 cost items.

4 hours a day is a generous estimate of the BARE MINIMUM. If the game just decides not to reward you even once, you basically have to double that. The design and reward structure of this event expects people to give up their lives outside of the game if they want to make sure they actually get anything they want out of it. And not having any tertiary rewards like coppers, XP or karma from doing this makes it all the worse.

This is more than a mess. This is outright malicious design.

So ANET, your patch earlier didn’t fix getting kitten’d out of rewards if you disconnect. Even if you manage to get 10 stacks back after reconnecting, you end up with no reward for the event.

You NEED to extend this event by another 4 days, minimum if you’re going to keep the reward and event timers balanced this way. The way you have it set up now is straight up malicious to the players who have to sacrifice time they could spend doing events that reward more than currency that will only be useful for these 4 days.

Do you honestly expect people who can only play for an hour or so a day to be able to get anything from this? The time per day required is absolutely ridiculous with rewards so low, costs so high, and so freaking little time that the event is available.

We’re not retreating. We’re advancing in a different direction!

Keksmuffin.1450:

Scrolling up and reading doesn’t seem to be smth that people on the forums do.

And refraining from mild personal attacks doesn’t seem to be something that you or Liza do so I think it evens out.

When you told him

And cmon we’re talking about dps builds… consecrations? Really? ._.

in response to his suggestion that Master of Consecrations offers better utility than UC (which it does because Master of Consecrations will actually be up and working in a PvP scenario), he brought up that for a dps build the points in Virtues are just flat out better put elsewhere for consistent dps instead of the wet cannon that is UC, which because we’re talking about tPvP is a completely true, valid point. But I guess scrolling up and reading doesn’t seem to be something that you do either.

For utility pvp dps with points in Virtues, you go Master of Consecrations and use Purging Flames. It is objectively better than UC and the fraction of a second uptime it has. If you’re determined not to give up the skillslot for Purging Flames, then no matter what you do your Adept trait is going to be marginally useful at best, and Absolute Resolution is still not going to fulfill party condition removal utility as well or as often as Purging Flames can with its untraited cooldown, rendering the 4 points in Virtues better put toward concrete dps gains.

Shaterz.2703:

the ppl saying “dps guard is fine”. how come i can log onto a ele with meta build or a warr. or a engi. even pu mes. not knowing wtf im doing. and still beat ppl who i cant for the life of me beat on my guard?

It seems like this is a case of just not being as good with Guard as other Professions, no matter how many thousands of hours you’ve put into it.

There are plenty of resources and video evidence of DPS Guardians doing well for themselves both pre and post-patch in sPvP. If you still think it’s broken or not doable, it’s a personal problem of yours, whether it’s your trait allocation, your playstyle not working well with your weapons of choice, or any number of other things.

And until such a time as you lay your build bare for us and if not show a video of your playstyle at least describe how you play, no one can really give you proper advice on how to improve except “do what these people who have video evidence of being successful do.”

Keksmuffin.1450:

wat

I’m being pedantic.

Keksmuffin.1450:

Archmortal.1027:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Empowering-Wrath-DPS-Build-Stella-Alamarr

Sounds like it works just fine.

Nah that build has meh burst, meh support and no range dmg, definetly not tpvp viable imo.

I keep seeing crap about tpvp when the title or OP clearly states spvp. I don’t get what the problem is. OP is talking about sPvP, the link clearly shows that dps works fine for sPvP.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Empowering-Wrath-DPS-Build-Stella-Alamarr

Sounds like it works just fine.

Warrior Longbow’s skillset. It does everything a Guardian does. It was made for us. Why Warriors have it is beyond me. Take off the bleed on skill 5 and it is a Guardian weapon through and through.

They can have their amazing Hammer, but that Longbow? Screw them. That’s ours.

Also Torch 4 still needs to synergize with Inner Fire. Seriously.

Seras.5702:

The issue with the karma nerf, and every other change they make in an attempt to balance an surplus of anything, is they never revert the changes or tweak them later to adjust for the severe nerf. People had a surplus of karma and nothing to spend it on.

So instead of giving us something to spend it on, they nerfed the means by which to acquire it.

They time gate new ascended gear and celestial gear because they don’t want everyone getting it right away. Well, they’ve been out for months now…I think you can remove the time gating.

They notice how certain crafting materials are flooding the market. They introduce recipes that require a ridiculous amount of these items to reduce the saturation…and then suddenly there’s a huge price increase for these items since there’s no longer any available.

Everything is done in excess and then not brought back to scale afterwards to compensate.

Go tell me how many MMOs out there implement a balance change and then later go “all right, the game is balanced now, you can have your methods of unbalancing the game back!”

But no, the gate for everything except the Fractal Capacitor is actually pretty reasonable (and the Capacitor doesn’t even have a time gate, it’s just ridiculous to fully upgrade it). WoW has time gates on its crafting as well, last I checked, none of which have ever been reversed until a new expansion and giant chunk of playable content has been added.

As to the severity of the nerf: The karma nerf was not severe. The ascended time gate isn’t even a nerf, it’s just how it was implemented as the new top tier of equipment. There is no reason to re-adjust the karma nerf, as it did not take away anyone’s karma, it just kept people from amassing large amounts of it for doing next to nothing. This was not an excessive nerf, it was a much needed balance change. Likewise there’s no reason to take off the time gate on ascended crafting just because it’s been a couple months. “A lot of people have it already” is not a reason to diminish the effort those people have put into getting it by allowing everyone from there on to circumvent that effort. FWIW: I am saying that as someone who does not have a single ascended item except the fragments/dust/ore that you get for events.

The only nerf that was overly punishing and severe to all players was the diminishing returns on drop rates. It’s complete crap and should never have been implemented in the first place, much less continued after the reason for implementation had been resolved.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

No, karma doesn’t need to flow as lucratively as it did before, but neither did it need to be nerfed into the ground either. Happy mediums can and do exist.

The happy medium has been achieved. Just look at the people in the thread saying how abundant karma still is if you go out and do things in the game besides focusing on your daily/monthly.

For people that don’t have time to do that… well reconsider your in-game priorities. The daily is really just a single laurel. Do you want your laurel, or do you want more karma? If karma, spend the time doing things that reward it instead of doing the daily.

I really love the models in the OP, and I would buy the hell out of the Kormir set in the second set of images if only to have that sweet, sweet hood/blindfold combo head piece. On the other hand, I’m not sure it would be appropriate given something that’s already been said, about Humans not being the focus in this game. I’m not against sets like these being released, but I think it would be more tasteful to at least come up with similarly racially important sets for the other races of Tyria first if not release them first.

I think it looks better, but I’ll be honest I didn’t even notice the change to begin with. Guess my human and the armor set were just made for each other.

Upon further inspection and thought, I guess the X-axis of the shoulders is rotated just a touch too much toward the chest than the back. Otherwise I see literally nothing else wrong with it.

Lalocat.6793:

in for blood.5670:

Karma is still so easy to acquire a lot of you say, eh?

Well then you should breeze through my challenge to you:

- Waste all your easily earned Karma on Orr Boxes.
- From 0 Karma now go accumulate an easy 1 mil Karma.
- Report back here when you have done so.

I did that. Spent ALL karma on boxes before nerf, took about a month to get back up to 1mil. Really don’t see the big deal with karma.

This. I haven’t noticed any kind of meaningful change in how much karma I get.

You can’t honestly expect to get meaningful rewards out of the game just from completing a daily. And let’s be honest here, Dungeons have always been about the gold and tokens if you want the equipment. I never heard of anyone running them for the karma because event trains have always been and will always be faster for that.

You want karma? Go out and earn karma. Think about it the way people think of karma in reality. You don’t earn it by washing your dishes every day, you earn it by going out and doing deeds.

tigirius.9014:

I’m also not impressed that they haven’t fixed basic problems that other game titles hashed out years ago in PVE

This is a sentiment I’ve seen a lot since the game launched, and it’s a sentiment that needs to be reminded that those other game titles had a lot more time under their belt than GW2 did, and does now.

Although in another year I’ll go ahead and start agreeing with you.

Lankybird.8149:

End game is here is is just about cosmetics not stat boost. The core of GW2 is playing based off skill not stats, which ties over to PVP as well.

This.

If you have problems with the game, no one can convince you how to have fun with it. We could say you’re doin’ it wrong, or thinking about it backwards, or any number of things, but ultimately if your playstyle and sense of gratification don’t mesh well with what the game offers, there’s nothing we can do for you because it’s between you and the game at that point.

I will say that anyone who thinks there’s more grinding here than in WoW is delusional about WoW though.

Not one, not two, but THREE, THREE previously-unknown Elder Dragons! That or some kind of ‘Old God.’

I wonder why Kiel didn’t prepare for the invasion or try to stop the drilling yet, though.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Dunno….

Maybe they couldn’t come up with a ‘plausible’ extra for it to drop.

For the sickle? Pristine Toxic Spores. Hell it would even be thematically consistent to have a golem harvesting it so there’s no danger of being affected by the toxicity.

Thematic consistency is a bit weak in this game though. There are a lot of changes that could be made to every profession for the sake of thematic consistency that would also benefit the balance of the class, and those things will never happen.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Ops, forgot about my comment on Justice. I think that guardians should have a different burn condition. In this respect, our fire damage is different from the other professions and won’t be overwrote. This would make Justice actually useful.

Considering Guardian flames are already different from regular flames, you’d think this would be reasonable. But as with the lack of Torch 4 and Inner Fire synergy, it seems strict adherence to the original mechanics is more important than a thematically accurate change that would potentially make more build options less terrible.

Cloud.5312:

Myself, I would like to think what the losing candidate will do…

Will Kiel lose her faith in people and become evil/chaotic? Will Evon plan for revenge on us ?

This excites me even more than Abaddon or Reactor…

You have a point here, but I don’t think Evon is the Mary Sue type that would risk his fortune and social stature on a reckless revenge campaign if he loses, especially since the votes are really really close right now. He’d risk killing/ruining a fair number of people that supported him.

On the other hand, Kiel is in a position she didn’t ask to be in. She’s a fair bit more likely to kick up a storm over her loss if Magnus really convinced her she can win.

This is coming from a grounded perspective though, and this is a game. Still, if things WERE to develop realistically I’d rather see Kiel as the character who lost and is doing something drastic than Evon, because her character has more potential to be interesting if she loses (again, realistically- so it very well could turn out to not apply). This is sort of ironic because her recent history is filled with blunders that make her predictable and uninteresting (regardless of what anyone says about her being more interesting if she wins). So it would be greatly amusing and a nice change of pace for her character to react differently to a blunder that Magnus reassured her wouldn’t happen.

Draconicus.7564:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Most Kiel supporters are uneducated, and are voting only for the pretty face.

Pls don’t take offense bro, but you are the one looking kinda “uneducated” here!

Go check some Game lore about Charrs & the “Searing”, and then tell me why in this world we will trust a Charr!!!

Even if he was promising to every one of us a Precursor weapon if he win, i still will be voting for the Human!

Never trust a Charr!!

If you want a reason to trust him, just look at how honest he’s being about his practices. He doesn’t have anything to hide. Kiel, on the other hand, likes to duck out and take credit/reward for what others accomplish. Why should we trust someone who flakes out when the going gets rough?

Rottaran Owain.6789:

Teege.4623:

Of course Anet wants Evon to win, more key sales = more money and that’s all they care about. Don’t let them fool you.

You know, there’s nothing stopping them from having a black lion key sale without an election, right? If it’s “all they care about”, why are we getting a choice in the matter?

-cough- -prepares Kiel supporter imitation voice again-

Because, obviously, there is no choice. Even if Kiel wins the vote, ANET already has Evon locked in to win. Don’t you see? This is all a setup to make us THINK we have a choice.

It’s courtesy to call out an event. It’s harassment to harass someone for not doing so. Blocking and Reporting a zerg train for harassment is well within the bounds of reason because that sounds like exactly what happened. It’s inconvenient to be slowed down in what you’re doing by about thirty seconds. It’s silly to be offended by it accidentally happening in a game.

If you start an event and don’t call it out for any reason such as… not thinking about it, forgetting to or anything that isn’t outright malicious, and then a group of people show up and harass you for not telling them about it, there’s no reason to NOT block and report every single person that participated in the harassment.

As someone that’s been on SBI since near-launch, it really is a shame how bad SBI has become ever since the first wave of WvW guilds abandoned ship.

Edge.4180:

You’re making the assumption that the events of the reactor fractal would be content taking place after the disaster.

I’m actually assuming that the events of the reactor fractal would be content taking place BEFORE the disaster, thus why building on Thaumanova as it currently is in-game wouldn’t necessarily include potential fractal content. (Plus you know, that’s how it’s being advertised- investigation into the things that led to its current state- i.e. The Past)

As long as we’re making assumptions, it could just as easily be events that take place before the accident, with players taking the role of Inquest troops at the moments leading up to and through reactor explosion. Heck, the party could be the cause of the entire disaster. That’s not something you can portray now in the current playable area, it would require a new map (hence the fractal).

Yep, this is what I’m assuming.

What value should be placed on permanent content? If someone plays the fractal once (or not at all) and then is done with it, but makes continual use out of the temporary waypoint/key discount, you can hardly argue that the fractal reward should be of greater value to them. Vote on what’s important to you. But don’t expect everyone to share your priority.

Not to be a slippery slope but you may as well apply this logic to every part of the existing game world. Is continual use of a temporary discount more valuable than Queensdale? Lion’s Arch? Citadel of Flame? Southsun Island? The permanent content is more game to play whether an individual makes use of it or not, because let’s face it, not everyone has the Been There, Done That title, nor has everyone run every dungeon, nor participated in every fractal. The permanent content is intrinsically more valuable to the game itself.

Neilos Tyrhanos.5427:

…This is just mad.

Kiel is winning in the polls, and still people post that it’s “rigged” and that our “choice is just an illusion!”

I thought it was in Evon’s favour, because he has things I care more about (I’d far rather see Abaddon’s fractal than yet another story about “dragon energies”. By the polls, many others disagree with me. Isn’t that what this entire update was about…? People voting according to what they’d like to see get introduced?

-cough- -prepares Kiel supporter imitation voice-

Sir, you don’t seem to understand. The temporary bonus that comes with Evon is CLEARLY just a cash grab specifically engineered to take advantage of the humongous majority of people’s rampant desires to open Black Lion chests which rarely give anything of significant value for the effort required to open them. The Key discount which will last exactly as long as Kiel’s Waypoint discount (read: both are temporary) will CLEARLY be permanent as a way for ANET to get more people to give them more real money for the rest of the game’s lifetime.

Rainbow Sprint.3215:

You dont get it then. Yeah if thaumanova loses we might see some other asura dungeon, but they wont have the lore that thaumanova has surrounding it.

You’re forgetting that Thaumanova is already in-game and that the lore surrounding it can be built on at any time because it’s there, in the actual playable world and not just in a fractal. The Fall of Abaddon, and pretty much anything pertaining to Abaddon, is not already in the game and cannot be readily built on.

I’m not saying ANET will necessarily build on Thaumanova lore if Kiel loses or that even if they did that it would include the information that would have been revealed in the fractal, but the lore is not already neatly tied up the way Abaddon’s is. It is far more likely for ANET to tackle the issues of Thaumanova in its current state without the fractal than it is for ANET to tackle the Fall of Abaddon without the fractal.

Silicato.4603:

I agree with the people who says that fractal is not the key question in this battle. At least in my mind is not. That is why i base my vote in character personality and keys vs wp.
Kiel is the winner.

So you’re saying the thing everyone should be voting for is the thing that will only last for a few weeks, and not the permanent content? …? Did I get that right?

Winds.3087:

Just because chaos beasts look similar to underworld shades doesn’t mean they are same. And it certainly doesn’t mean behemoth is out there in tyria because of some pesky asura blowing some pesky reactor. It could be here because apparently Grenth found better toys and reapers still being bunch of whiny girls, having little to no control over underworld. Be thankful that you have that behemoth classified as “playful puppy” by underworld standards and don’t have Dhuum over your doorstep, banning your necromancy and swinging his scythe with eerie giggles.

Well then you’ll have to take it upon yourself to make this correction to basically every single Kiel supporter talking about the lore of the Reactor. Pretty much all of them are using what I just said as what makes it so interesting to them (and then assuming we’ll see that in the past before these things would have been possible, operating under the assumption that the Reactor is indeed responsible for it). I’ve yet to see a Kiel supporter explaining the lore of the Reactor that DIDN’T harp about how it’s causing such things as the Shadow Behemoth all across Tyria.

The logic being used is basically what’s going on at the Reactor presently: things are just being summoned into Tyria at random, so the distinction between Shadow and Chaos beasts is moot. Elementals and naturally-occurring wildlife are also being brought/pulled into Tyria by this phenomena.

Sorry, Evon all the way. (because apparently Kiel supporters do this in the Evon sticky)

Aupheus.9038:

Sorry, Ellen all the way from me

You realize this is the wrong thread for that, right?

Abaddon is “completely alien to the lore”? Um… what? Besides, Thaumanova isn’t going to bring new dragon stuff to the table. At most we might get confirmation that the Destroyers were involved because the Inquest wanted to harness their energy, but the dragon itself will remain as it is currently until such a time as ANET is ready to get the dragons directly involved with the players (which won’t be this year).

Morty.8160:

The really sad thing is actually the comparison between the supporting posts for Kiel which try to keep an objective tone (even tho arguments are biased naturally), and the posts supporting Gnashblade which tend to be insulting (but not less biased).

I don’t think you and I see the two sides the same way. I’ve seen plenty of Gnashblade supporters be insulting (because Kiel makes it pretty easy to insult her). I’ve also seen plenty of Kiel supporters be insulting. More of them argue the RNG aspect of Evon as the reason not to vote for him than considering his actual qualifications for the position and comparing those objectively to what Kiel can realistically bring to the table.

I’m sure that for every supporter you’ve seen of Evon that’s insulting, I’ve also seen one for Kiel that is equally insulting.

Elbegast.6970:

ArenaNet has already decided the victor. Players aren’t actually voting for anything. It’s all a sham by ArenaNet to make players feel like they have an impact on the world and to get them to log as many game hours as possible. I can’t believe so many of you are falling for it.

Far be it from a developer to design a compelling choice for the community to bicker over. They’ve even included you of the Tin Foil Hat coalition in this. Your opinions are just as expressible as those of the people actually voting.

Onshidesigns.1069:

Two of the same chaos rift will exist in two places at the same time. This could possibly create a portal “wormhole” between the open world and something in the Mists.

Let’s just put it this way. This is ALREADY happening in the current, playable world. Look at the Shadow Behemoth and any other shadow/chaos beasts. Thaumanova’s effects on the world are playable already, and independent of a possible fractal investigating the incident, the effects and lore surrounding the aftermath can still be built on.

With the Abaddon fractal, there’s no such possibility without some serious retconning or left-shield shenanigans on the part of the writers. If we vote for the Abaddon fractal, we still have a chance of seeing Thaumanova’s story built on in the future- we just won’t see its past.

Onshidesigns.1069:

Evon is a vote for RNG.

Just like Kiel is a vote for botting. I will say what I say to all people: the temporary benefit is not what you should be basing this vote on.

A slight price drop on keys for a few weeks isn’t going to magically turn people who weren’t already buying keys into gamblers, nor will it attract very many people on the fence about the gem store, because they’re generally interested more in things like the infinite gathering tools and cosmetic stuff.

Edge.4180:

She’s a soldier

Yes, she IS a soldier. Funny you should mention that. Soldiers have this annoying habit of only ever functioning at their highest capacity with clear orders. Hell, the person that nominated Kiel KNOWS she’s a slow thinker. He’s nominating her for her ideals and a nagging suspicion that if she ever gets her brain going she might amount to something, not because she has anything concrete to offer now or in the near future.

Her opponent is someone that HAS amounted to something, who can be relied on to bring success to his endeavors. He doesn’t have a track record of failing his duty nor of shirking it so others will do it for him only to swoop in and claim credit for it.

We have two candidates. On one hand we have a soldier that displays a very clear difficulty with quick, critical, or individual thinking, and lacking any experience in the type of position her nominator wants her elected into (he nominated her because she’s his favorite, THE PERSON WHO NOMINATED HER IS THE ONE SHOWING FAVORITISM). On the other we have a business person who is quick of wit, knows how to succeed and bring success to others, and most importantly who has experience in the type of position he would be elected into.

I think it’s clear which is more qualified, and which has a better chance of bringing concrete, meaningful results and success to the Council.

coryorth.5289:

My opinion on the vote for Evon.
The biggest point i’d like to make is it is my personal feeling that the 4 weeks deal doesn’t matter. No matter what, cheaper anything for 4 weeks is a good thing.
Waypoints = Good if you’re constantly doing world bosses and teleporting around.
Black Lion Keys = Good if you want Aetherized weapon skins (Possibly eventually other things too)
One more point i’d like to make is concerning the current state of the lore. Alot of people in the community feel like there is little to no focus on the history of tyria. Especially with alot of the Living World content, we feel like alot of the history of Guild Wars is going down the drain to be forgotten. So with the Abaddon fractal, it will give us lore enthusiasts something to play with for a while.

Evon Gnashblade
Evon isn’t a swindler or a scammer. The Black Lion Trading company is an honest company that believes in fair trade and is formed from hard work and honest labor.

Here’s some information about the FOTM stuff:

Reactor:

• We get the same reactor, just with fancy additions to it, some interesting story (Maybe, fractals have a way of not telling any story at all really and purposely jumble information and confuse us. Ree Soesbee and other lore developers also said in a recent interview that this is how the fractals are and making connections to things from them isn’t always going to be cannon. Which I personally found annoying).
• Here are some possibilities with the Reactor:
• Possible Mursaat presence (Not more than one, maybe Lazarus will appear and fight the Asura. But this can easily come later in an expansion to the FOTM. I however like this idea personally.)
• Lore on the dragons (Which we will eventually discover no matter what within the open world)
• Lore on the Asura (Which we will discover eventually no matter what through either the living story, or an extension to the personal story of the Asura)

Abaddon:
We get a fractal possibly involving HUGE lore characters we’ve never seen before. We get to see a place in Tyria before the destruction was wraught on the Crystal Sea

• We get to see a part of the lore that is forgotten in modern day Tyria.
• King Doric, his army, and his armada of ships from Orr.
• Possible presence of Lady Glaive and her pirates.
• We will be able to fight Margonites before they were corrupted by the Realm of Torment.
• Be able to fight Lord Jadoth after he was blessed with emmense magical powers.
• We get to see Abaddon in his natural form. (Which would be AMAZING considering we’ve NEVER seen a God ON tyria.)
• The possibility of seeing the Human Gods themselves

One of the biggest arguments against the Human Gods is people saying
“Why should I care about the Human Gods. My main is a Charr”

• *Abaddon also blessed ALL races with magic. Not just humans. More especially the Charr. (IE, flame legion)
• Abaddon influenced the Charr through the titans and tricked them into worshipping them as Gods.
• This fractal is a chance for the Charr to finally see who tricked them.
• The flame legion were heavily influenced by the Titans. And Abaddon controlled the Titans.
• Abaddon set back Charr growth in his hatred of the Humans and the Human Gods.
• The Flame Legion were sexist and set back the possibility of Charr growth through the suppression and belittlement of the other 3 legions.
• This fractal could be a revelation to Charr characters to see and take part in the binding of Abaddon and to see their original enslaver and to take vengeance upon him.
• This could also help with human and Charr relations. To finally see one of the Gods that destroyed any chance for the charr and humans to work together (Balthazar being the other one).

Why should you care about the Human Gods?
I can think of many reasons why you should care about the Human Gods.

• Melandru and Dwayna believed in healthy relations with the other races of tyria. It’s just Balthazar and Abaddon messed that up.
• Abaddon blessed ALL races of Tyria with magic. Not just humans
• Abaddon enslaved the Charr to worship his minions The Titans.
• The Human Gods are the 2nd most powerful things that have been to Tyria.
• The last cycle on Tyria failed and the Dragons nearly killed everyone. The Gods came to Tyria and brought humans with them for a reason. Why is that? Noone knows. But so far it has contributed emmensely to the destruction of the Elder Dragons.

TLDR:
The 4 weeks doesn’t truly matter. Deals a deal, vote for what truly counts. Permanent Content
Abbadon: We get to see new stuff, discover things we’ll never see again since they’re in the past. Including a God. King Doric. And the Crystal Sea.
Reactor: Seeing the same stuff, and seeing things that will eventually get explained no matter what.

What is the Best Post? This is the Best Post.

Onshidesigns.1069:

aspirine.6852:

Onshidesigns.1069:

Enrixce.8471:

People voting for Kiel don’t really care of the future of Lion’s Arch they only care about the reduced WP travel and nothing else

I vote for Kiel because I care about current GW2 lore. Not some old has been dungeon.

Also to much of the story is revolving around Loin’s Arch.

The fractal dungeon that kiel proposes is in the future then?

Why is it hard for some to understand.

There is a current chaos rift in the open world.
The fractal will open one in the Mists.
This could make a portal to the realm of Torment. Or something big coming through into the open world. Could be anything.

I don’t think you quite understand what’s going on. Kiel wants to investigate how Thaumanova failed and became what it is now. That explicitly means what happened to it in the past.

Writing off the Realm of Torment 1000 years before GW1 even took place as “some old has been dungeon” shows a very clear misunderstanding of what exactly the possible Abaddon Fractal entails. If anything, assuming we do actually see the Realm of Torment 1000 years before GW1 and not, you know, the actual battle that landed him there, it will be the height and glory of the realm, 1000 years free of the decay of a withering god.

Lucyfer.9517:

So typical for gnashblade supporters to go into cheating and faking. Your master taught you well.
And who cares about the gods battle, they got wiped out by dragons so they weren’t so impressive to begin with.
We on the other hand killed a dragon who defeated gods.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No, really. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Cheating? Faking, maybe (probably if you look closely). But Cheating? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

As to the rest. What proof do you have that the Dragons wiped out the gods? Quoting someone that works for the dragon who benefits from demoralizing a massive part of the fighting force aligned against it? Yeah, that’s credible.

And yeah, we DID kill a dragon. Imagine what a few beings, each individually with more power than the entirety of what we used to kill one ourselves, could do when working together? Wiped out by the dragons. PFFFF. It would take the dragons all working together to even stand a chance, and the dragons get along about as well as the Humans and Charr did before the death of Abaddon and rise of Kormir.

Mackodlak.7961:

Saying Evon would do a better job at anything other than filling his own pockets is very misplaced

What do you base this on? Lion’s Arch is in part as large and prosperous as it is because of the business he runs. Whether he pursues things for his own ends does not change that others benefit from it as well. Much like this Fractal. In the worst case scenario he could be pursuing knowledge of Abaddon because he secretly worships the dead god, but others will benefit from concrete knowledge of the gods’ power and anything else we can learn by witnessing (at least part of) the battle between deities. If he is successful on the Council, the Council itself shares in that success because he becomes part of that entity.

This is of course not mentioning the fact that by electing him into a body that is not privately run, and operates at least partially based on democratic practices like votes, we effectively set a limit on what he is capable of doing as an individual.

Under the same circumstances, Kiel becomes free from many of her limitations and we LOSE ways to keep her hurricane fantasies and ideals in check. She can effectively run wild compared to the position she was previously in. Idealistically Kiel is certainly more benevolent than Evon, but what she does For the people cannot be measured by concrete standards. Evon’s success has brought prosperity and success to many while Kiel so far has very little success to boast of her own (that she didn’t outright steal from under the Player’s nose), and while her failures may move the plot forward, it has unanimously led to negative outcomes for all.

It is no coincidence Kiel wants to investigate the site of a giant explosion. It is thematically consistent with the explosive failure of her recent history. One can be certain that electing her will lead to more of both (explosions and failure).

Zaxares.5419:

@Onshi: I thought the devs confirmed that the Fall of Abaddon fractal is NOT the final battle against Abaddon at the end of Nightfall? That it’s actually his very first fall, when he and his followers battled against the Five Gods and lost?

Indeed. Not saying this is true of Onshi, but I’ve noticed a lot of people using a similar sentiment as his just like to lump things together for the sake of justifying otherwise ill-founded favor for Kiel. The same can be said about people shouting Thaumanova is just another reactor, but at least in their case it’s still accurate.

Tychondus.4821:

So its the race that the lore is linked to. Not the candidate. So why then bundle a lore with a candidate. They are not representing their race in this event. They are representing themselves for a trade agreement. Yes I quite like my overly large sized tin foil hat.

Oh you know, it’s not like an ambitious person here or there ever develops other goals. Abaddon wasn’t exactly on bad terms with the Charr so it’s very understandable for the upper-echelon of their race to have an interest in that history. Evon just so happens to be the only Charr in a position to fund that kind of research, assuming he can get the backing for it from the Council by being elected. It is, after all, in the interest of ALL that we find out more about the Human gods, as they are one of the only powers known to rival the Elder Dragons. Finding out the exact manner in which they exiled one of their own (or just any sort of concrete details about their power during its height to help determine if they really left/got devoured by the Elder Dragons/what have you) would be pretty beneficial.

That’s just an example, of course. With an ACTUAL writer coming up with these things the way I just tied Evon to his own interest in Abaddon probably looks tenuous.

I honestly don’t know what the hell is going on with Kiel though. Evon said it best. She thinks she’s a Hurricane, and her lack of critical or quick thinking is like to lead the world toward more explosions. So I guess Thaumanova being the site of a gigantic explosion is thematically consistent with Kiel’s history of explosive failure.

Zaxares.5419:

So… Evon has bought out even the ANet staff. Truly, his desire to win at all costs knows no bounds.

Kiel has an ANET supporter or two as well. But he posted in the “Evon is ANET’s favorite” thread, not the Team Kiel thread.

Tychondus.4821:

Could a learned elder please enlighten me on how Evon is linked to the fall of Abbadon and how Kiel is linked to Thaumanova destruction? I am trying to find a reason as to why this was bundled into this ludicrous meta event.

Personally I think it’s clear that ANet has lost the plot. They have no idea where the lore is going. So what do they do? They come up with a scheme like this. You can have one but not both. Arrogance of ANet is showing. Not even trying to hide it anymore.

The tinfoil hat is large on this one.

It could be that expanding on the fractals is being necessitated by the fact that people reached the maximum floor ages ago and have had nothing to do there since except grind it for their daily rewards. The new content either way will be burned through equally fast, but at least it will be -new-.

Evon himself may not be directly linked to Abaddon, but the Charr race as a whole are very strongly connected. You’d think you would have picked up on that.

As to Kiel being linked to Thaumanova well she isn’t. But her best friend just might be.

Leo Paul.1659:

This is true. I don’t see Kiel taking credit for something she didn’t do. Her candidate trials intro gives us a glimpse of how honest she can be.

As for Pirate elections, I think Kiel would be good in the position since I think Evon will likely abuse the seat to hell.

As to Kiel taking credit: she has literally already taken it from us once. Does no one remember her playing dead and then stepping in at the last second to take all the glory from the people who actually did what she was supposed to?

Evon will likely treat the seat as he treats his current position. Which is to say it will succeed, and by putting him in a non-corporate, non-dictator position we gain more control over what he is capable of doing whereas electing Kiel reduces our ability to make checks on her wild fantasies. Evon sums her up quite well: she thinks she’s a Hurricane, and if granted agency and power to act on that we can expect more disasters and explosions (do you think it’s a coincidence that she wants to investigate the site of a giant explosion?)

Thalador.4218:

Evon’s proven he can successfully run an organization that serves his own ends, and his own ends alone. He has no morals and even betrayed the High Legions when he darted from service – I bet he’s an honorless gladium.

Whether he’s honorless by Charr label, or whether this seat on the Council will serve his own ends or not, he wouldn’t be running for the position if he didn’t intend to make it succeed. If that success also serves him, so be it. I don’t see Kiel offering anything of value because she is not qualified for high-octane decision-making or critical thinking.

I don’t know where you’ve been, but here in Tyria Captain Ellen Kiel has proved countless times she’s a very capable, competent leader and a shrewd person. Captain Ashford’s death is not her fault; the bomb was Inquest technology and came from a source nobody was expecting. Also without the heavy bribing of the racial representatives it might have never happened.

Granted, I was sort of just Kittening around on the Lion’s Arch beaches taking the occasional dive now and then for the last few months, but you’ll still have to give me examples of her being capable and shrewd. Southsun getting out of hand is in part directly due to her input and incompetence. I’ve seen Kiel praised as an investigator but if that were true, even accounting for an unexpected source, lives could have been saved even if the explosion couldn’t have been avoided. She is a soldier, and as such has displayed that her own ability to think critically is lacking under pressure without an order to follow. And this is to say nothing of what the poster above me points out – even in the best of circumstances she is utterly useless without others either supporting or doing her job for her.

Evon was just doing business as usual and is no more connected to it than either of us are for trading items through Black Lion.

Addendum: if you vote for Evon, you support bribery which may result in more assassinations similar to the tragedy at Dragon Bash. If you vote for Ellen, you vote for the suppression of corruption.

As I have no examples of Kiel being capable as a leader, I cannot believe she has the ability or backing behind her to actually follow through unless someone conveniently arranged for the Captain’s death to put Kiel – an incompetent on her own but passable at following orders who needs someone to support her – into a position for participate in this election. In which case voting for Kiel is not supporting her or her promises, but the entity convincing her she should be elected.

Evon’s practices are on the table, open for scrutiny. By voting him in we also gain more control over what he does, as he is not being voted into a private Corporation nor a Dictatorship. If we vote Kiel in, we basically grant her the opposite, in that we have less control over what she might do and if there is indeed an entity backing her it will give that entity agency to act on whatever its goals through Kiel might be.

Grounder.7381:

even anet wants evon to win.! you can see it at the representation banners part at the patch notes.. it would take a miracle for ellen kiel to win!!

And when the rewards were first leaked people were saying ANET wants Kiel to win. ANET as a development team has no preference for either to win. The community just loves their tinfoil hats.

That said I’m fully ready to believe a couple people HAVE spent that much gold/money for their candidate even if this particular screenshot is fake.

Evon has experience in this type of position. A LOT of it. And he’s proven to be capable and successful at what he does.

Kiel on the other hand has no experience in this type of position and her limited recent experience in a leadership role proved her to be incompetent in such a role. She’s a soldier that should follow orders. The decisions and orders she has given herself have been less than successful. Had she been more competent the Captain she’s currently replacing would still be alive and we’d likely be voting for him against Evon instead of Kiel.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

While there’s likely to be Inquest and golems in the Thaumanova Reactor, there’s also likely to be ED minions, steam creatures, chaos beasts (aka shades), and overall randomness due to the chaos magic effecting the Mists.

None of which are new assets, all of which utterly flood the areas they’re currently relevant to (steam creatures mostly during events). Right now we’re just about guaranteed new assets with the Abaddon Fractal because some of the things involved in it are flat out not in the game already. The things required to make the Thaumanova reactor tick -are- already in the game and we haven’t been given any information to believe the reactor fractal will involve the creation of new assets (in both cases I am omitting a potential fractal boss specific to them as they would obviously be new in either case).