Guild Wars 2

I agree too….

I don’t understand. There would be so much thing to fix and work on, and yet they are fixing a nice feature.

We wanted preview function from trading post… What did we get? A disable on something. Good job!

Throw the rocks, but I don’t feel that Arenanet actually cares about the community.

Since the drop rate is terrible now, and even before that some dyes was pretty rare (not to mention now), how about making them account bound?

You know..the problem is not that it takes long to create a legendary or an exotic weapon or etc.

Look at the forums, or on reddit… The problem that this is grind! I wouldnt mind if it takes 2 – 3 month to get one if it can be done without doing the same thing over and over again. Yeah. I prefer questing and etc for these.

If you are fine with that , its ok…there are ppl out there who likes to grind and they have the time and nerve to do that.

That wont change the fact that this is not different from the grind from any korean/asian mmo.

Actually….for legendaries they could build up extremly hard dungeons and etc. Its not have to be grind ^^

Grind is always bad…

Somehow I even feel that Arenanet prefers grinding > questing :S

Hello!

I’m curious about the other great, named exotic skins. You know, I’m perfectly happy about Gw2’s reward system. Its awesome that our gear upgrade = cosmetic upgrade. Its fine! Honestly, I think this is the best thing that could happen to the MMO world.

However as you said, you wanted players to create their UNIQUE characters. Sadly, its not working like that now. Everybody walking in the same armors, with the same weapons and etc… A few people do have some nice gear, but instead of getting me excited to trying to get something like that too, I’m like:
-“Meh..I would like that too…but too boring to grind.”

Why is that? Thats because the skins are just…well..“expensive” time wise. Who the hell wants to grind for a skin? Doing the same thing over and over again?

Let me get and example here:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Volcanus

Honestly? Why should we get that many Molten Lodestone? Are you serious? Where is your creativity?

Volcanus – Fire sword..ok…I understand! So, why not just make some quest around the items?

Exmaple

• Keep the scroll in the recipe
• Keep the Mystic Coins in the recipe

Great, now its still not accessable from the start, and you cant get other skins easily. You still have to decide what are you going for. You wont just get 50 or 100 skill point and 100 mystic coin from nowhere. (Maybe price should go up with the skill points to 100 with implementing a new scroll or item for these amount.)

• Rework the gift

Like..its a sword which is all around fire. Ok…so.. Lets say that there is an npc somewhere around the volcano who is a blacksmith. You have to visit him at lvl80 (oh man, no way. Its actually a content improvement too!), and he will tell you a story about a sword which contains the power of the volcano. He is seeking for that sword for a long time, but he is just too old to get the ingredients.

First you have to lure out a certain mob in a certain area. The blacksmith will give you an item which will help you to lure that mob out. (That will help you to avoid the camping, and can summon him after you get the quest.)

After that, you will have to go to the Citadel Of Flame where you can summon a special boss there for the another item. (That way, it will be easy to find a group to do it, since its a plus chest for the other players, and a quest item for you.)

Back to the blacksmith, giving him the ingredients and…. Starting an event. The old guy will be happy , but you have to escort him to a special place. Because the sword requires an extreme heat to be forged.

That will keep these kind of skins unique, less boring to get, and actually a bit of end game. You could do the with many – many things in this game.

Why not? Its better then grinding I think. ^^ Even if you dont do that, you have to agree with me. The current “price” is just too kitten high and too boring.

When people see some awesome weapon/armor skin they should be able to reach that too. They will be still unique, cause this is still a great amount of time, and let the players decide their appearance.

PawPrince.5719:

I think it says a lot that the OP was infracted for even making the original post.

You should never see “(User was infracted for this post.)” on a calm, well written post where someone shares their opinions about a game.

User was infracted for this post …. → Cause the thread name was originally: @Arenanet: Grind Staying Or Leaving

They removed the @Arenanet part because you cant mention the company in threads.

I already told you… Its Athem.

You cant even write down my name, because you dont even care about it. However, my name is the first thing which comes with my post, you dont even read that, just quickly looking at it.

Do you even read my posts? I doubt that, because you are giving me schematic answers.

Chris.7653:

Kid…why can’t you just leave if you hate it this much?

All you are doing is looking for attention at this point and trying to bring the community down.

So…if I’m not satisfied with this game I should leave it and never ever mention that? Even if I did bought the game, I’m only allowed to praise your favorite game and Arenanet?

Because forums are here for praising YOUR favorite game and company , not to mention things which are HORRIBLE bad in this game?

Seems legit..

Stop being angry because your favorite game is just not good curently. Instead of that, try to help Arenanet making it better, point out problems, so that wont be a fail like many other mmo’s.

Ofc, keep being childish if you want this game to be a low populated mmo after 2-3 months.

knightblaster.8027:

If you’re not having fun, stop playing. That’s a pretty simple decision. Making the prestige armor looks from dungeons obtainable with 3-4 dungeon runs won’t make you play any longer, that’s for certain.

You are wrong. Actually it makes us play longer because we will see the point to go and clear the dungeon.

You are defending this game pretty much brainlessly.

We already pointed out why is this game all about grind, and you are trying to deny the facts.

Howe are you doing that? You are building up a self made hype and a cult around this game, denying its every flaw. Why? Because if you would have to acknowledge the fact:

This game is all about grind.

That would mean that your precious game, which is your favorite is not perfect, not the best out here. You just dont want this, because you love Arenanet and hate other companies like insert big company name here because they are dominating this business.

You want GW2 the game which slap them on the faces and prove it: They are not the only ones here.

However..the reality is that this game is ABOUT grind, we already explained why. You are just defending them brainlessly.

Btw, instead of a rage counter arguement like that, at least read without the “RAGE GLASSES” so you could see that my name is: Athem.

Well, I do love many of GW2 features. It has the best lvling system I saw so far. However, I just dont understand them.

They solved the grind problem from lvl 1-80, yet they implemented grinding to lvl80. Wtf?

I mean, when the game was released, the karma prices, dungeon set prices were ok. You could get them without grinding, just doing events around a world and clearing instances.

After release they suddenly RAISED these things too high.

Their logic maybe: If ppl get stuff to soon → They quit → No money
However it went that way: People not getting stuff at all → They quit → No money

Honestly, I will rather stay because I can obtain anything than staying because I cant get anything if I dont grind and spend all of my free time here.

Anyway..along with the compliments, I would be really interestend in Arenanet’s opinion. That would tell us pretty much everything.

If they are satisfied with this = the game wont change.

If they want major changes = grind can be gone.

Honestly I just want to know THEIR honest thoughts about this game.

Shinya.8014:

There will be expansions you know, Elona and Cantha will probably be available in those (just guessing, but i prittey sure).
There you’ll find more missions

Excuse me, but this game is just released, and I already have to wait for an expension to get BASIC things and fun?

So… I think we all see the problem now ^^ Thumbs up for you sir!

Killthehealersffs.8940:

HAHAHAAHAH
So in WoW u dont have to beat the raid once and then farm it 30 times for gear upgrade , cause u need any tiny dps increase to move to the next tier – raid ?
While in GW2 , cosmetic grind u think is a <<must>> to enjoy the game ?
Hahahahahaahahah !
I wish the 25 september could come faster :P

I dont understand your arguement. I’m talking about running 46 times the SAME dungeon is INSANE. Yeah even WoW is more "rewarding " comparing to that.

Please do wait for MoP release, because you will be happy if only the small group of very happy ppl will stay here right? So no one will complain, everybody will be happy and kiss Arenanet.

ravinhood.3981:

If you’re GRINDING at lvl 80 it’s because you CHOOSE to grind since it is NOT REQUIRED. Anet stated there would be no grind and from 1 to 80 and the max gear there IS NO GRIND. What you call a GRIND is an OPTION not a REQUIREMENT thus you CHOOSE to GRIND and COMPLAIN about it. What did you think they would do? Hand you EVERYTHING in the game in a few weeks time? LMAO hahaha Sorry but if you want EXOTICS and other ELITE GEAR you WILL GRIND for that but of course IT IS OPTIONAL NOT REQUIRED.

This is the typical fanboy answer. If that game would be Aion.

Do you forced to get new gear to play the game after lvl 55 (or 60?) ? No..you are not! Are you forced to grind? Yeah, if you want to do something in the game, YOU HAVE TO GRIND.

Wanna play Gw2 after lvl80? You are forced to grind. Is that a fact? Yup it is.

About pvp:

Try to join as a group in sPvP if you just want to have fun, and not going tournament. Gl
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About dynamic events around the world:

I already see most of Tyria. I’m walking in a lvl80 crafted exotic gear seeking challanges. However, when you see that every event in the lower areas are:

• Stop the kentaurs
• Take back camps
• Protect that camp

It will be boring. Honestly, there are fun events in this game, but after you done that 3-4 times it lost its magic. Believe me, even dragon slaying is boring after the 3rd time, even if the Claw Of Jormag fight is pretty awesome.

Of course I would be back in a week if the ONLY THING in this game would be farm out dungeon set, but at least: I COULD DO THAT!

That would be still more fun than not able to EVEN that. So basicly, you are saying, if there would be tons of content, that would be pointless. Why? Because I would be back in 3 months to complain that there is not content?

No content last forever.

Thats why they have to do these first. Example: 1piece/gear dungeons = 1 week of content.

DE + quest gear tokens → 1 week of content. That would mean that they have 2 week with full of content!

Better than the one right now? YUP! Will they have to work to implement more content? SURE!

Once again…content wont make itself, and GRIND IS NOT CONTENT.

Sigh…let me tell you again. In this game, the content IS THE SKINS and COSMETICS.

You are just failed to realise that there is ALWAYS something which is motivating players : This is content.

However, when this content (getting cool skins) is just a big GRIND fest, its called a GRIND game.

This wouldnt be the case if there would be anything else to do. OR if you could do this like I said: without grind.

That would be easy. Instead of the karma grind they could do that way:

For the helmet example you need to do certain dynamic events, and get items from each → combine in mystic forge → get head token.

Nothing has changed, expect that I dont have to FARM the same dynamic events all around the world for insane amount of karma.

Dungeon runs → 1 run / piece → still a challenge but I dont have to grind all over and over again.

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Thats it example.

If you think that there is a thing which is “necessary” in a game, you are wrong. Everything in an mmo is for prestige, nothing else.

Its the same here and same in the WoW example. A full epic gear compared to a full Tier XX set is just small upgrade. You are going for it because of “prestige”.

The same thing goes here…if you want a cool set you have to grind.

You guys are just trying to defend this game in every way you can. Failing to realise its flawes because you want this game to be the best, the awesome, the great one.

However, if the part of the community which is using these forums (which are mostly the fans) are failing to realise the problems, this will turn out bad.

You are gently patting Arenanet’s head for everything they do, you even try to explain the grind in this game. But we all know:

You are playing this game because you want to have fun, achieve things, play with friends, get a cool looking character and etc.

So basicly you said grind is not necesssary but it is. Why is that? Because in this game, your progress in the end is GETTING SKINS. Getting skins needs grinding, and its not fun.

That grind wouldnt be necessary if you would be able to do SOMETHING ELSE than that. (And please, dont try to defend the lack of content with the : Go WWW ; GO PVP usual answer. Its just not legit.)

Until the community which is using the forums are failing to realise that, and “cry” for changes, this game is going to be “bad”.

When I say bad, I mean it will only keep the fans to itself, and slowly chasing away other players.
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You dont like what I say? You think this game is fine as it is? Please do, but dont be surprised if you will slowly realise that servers are going to be less populated.

Yeah I know.. → Less people → Better community.

Every fail mmo (like Swtor) tried to go behind this, but in the end, it was only because the fans couldnt handle their favorite game being bad.

Well…I did wrote that in my topic, but I think its perfectly ok here too:

You are talking about fun, because Arenanet sais that this is fun. This is grind, and they have the same REWARD system as other mmos. NOT FUN SYSTEM. If that would be about fun, you could get these item skins with NORMAL effort which would be STILL FUN.

Currently : Play more → Get awesome skins → Grind mats → Get awesome legendary skins.

Play more → Grind DE’s → Get mats or Skin.

Welcome to the SAME rewarding system which is in every korean mmo. Feel free to deny it.

Fun system would be:
Do events ? Realise that you can get new skins! Yay!
Do dungeons ? Get 1 armor piece / run. Get new skin after 6 run. Need effort? Yeah! Can be fun? Yeah!
This is the system you are talking about. Where you dont have to grind, you are not forced to play 24/7 , . You are just going with the flow…

If you want to defend this game? Feel free to do it. Will it change the fact that currently this is just a grind+time rewarding system? No it wont.

Ang.2157:

@Bloodtau.4672
That worked well for SWTOR.

Yeah…and SWTOR failed. If players are leaving a game, and some stay its basicly like that:

-Fans are staying and palying.
-Normal players left, they dont care.

-> MMO failed.

I dont want to see GW2 failing, nor low pop servers everywhere. This game should be big and full with players.

I see the fanboys are trying to defend the game that there is no grind. Yeah, that would be my answer too to anybody if they ask me about Foo Fighters. Even if they have some crapy songs, I think Dave Grohl is just awesome.

What we are doing here is GRIND, this mmo is turning into a korean grindfest. Throw me the rocks, but WoW doesnt have that kind of system. You dont have to grind for anything. (Well, if you have to grind, you dont have to do that much.)

My character is in full exotic 101% magic find gear…however its nothing amazing. Yeah, I went and GRINDED around the dragon events for mats.

You guys mostly believe that this is a fun system and not a reward system. I can tell from that you are probably young, or just insanly addicted to Arenanet.

Why am I saying that?

You are saying that this game is about fun, not rewards → That would be true if you wouldnt have to do the same events over and over again.

You are saying that this game is about fun, not rewards → Then why should I care about rewards? If I want a cool skin, why should I grind 46k karma/piece or do 46 run in the same instance?

You are talking about fun, because Arenanet sais that this is fun. This is grind, and they have the same REWARD system as other mmos. NOT FUN SYSTEM. If that would be about fun, you could get these item skins with NORMAL effort which would be STILL FUN.

Currently → Play more → Get awesome skins → Grind mats → Get awesome legendary skins.

Welcome to the SAME rewarding system which is in every korean mmo. Feel free to deny it.

Fun system would be:

Do events → Realise that you can get new skins! Yay!

Do dungeons → Get 1 armor piece / run. Get new skin after 6 run. Need effort? Yeah! Can be fun? Yeah!

This is the system you are talking about. Where you dont have to grind, you are not forced to play 24/7 , . You are just going with the flow…

Deal with it.

Alice.8694:

Athem.7321:

Dear Arenanet!
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What exactly are you grinding for?

Exactly for everything?

Want to craft -> Grind mats for 30min. (Need to change location after that.)

Want to get awesome armor from karma -> Grind karma.

Want awesome armor from dungeons? -> Grind tokens

Want a legendary weapon? -> Grind for the mats.

I know that we shouldnt get these for free or going herpkittenaround the world but man. How about making this funny?

Example like: Kill X boss here -> Get event item->Do that event there -> Explore that there -> Speak with that smith in that town -> Get the recipe which contains something which is not inhuman like 300 AC run + 250 from every item + 1.5million karma and so on…

And:
Going dungeon -> getting 1 piece from the set. Honestly, if I want to respec and do something else than a crit build, I have to get 3 pieces from the same set.

Grind…grind everywhere. ^^

Dear Arenanet!

When I bought this game you were all over around the grind topic:

-No grinding!
-Anti-grind game!
-Fun > Grind!

Yet what we got? A typical GRIND game. I’m not mad.. I think its a fun single player game 1-80, but after that… Well yeah!

Where is the content everywhere thing? Where is the epic Orr you promised? Orr is just a place with bugged events and fastly spawning risens.

• What did I expect from Orr?
  -Epic events.
  -Good story.
  -Epic fights.

• What did I got from Orr?
  -Bugged events.
  -Sometimes a story.
  -Herpkittenmass spawn fights.

• What did I expect from lvl80?
  -Going around the world, enjoying the game with my friends!
  -Clearing dungeons, getting all sets having fun.
  -Crafting cool stuffs.
  -Trying to get legendary weapon.
  -PvP and WWW with friends.

• What did I got from lvl80?
  -Grinding around the world. After 30min, you are not even allowed to grind.
  -Killing the 3 dragon all over and over again.
  -Clearing dungeons once -> Looking at set prices -> Giving up on all sets. Not having fun.
  -Crafting the same stuffs…or not. Its not even worthy! Selling the mats is just more worthy.
  -PvP alone because there is no join as a team options.
  -WWW with friends if we are lucky to get in together.

I’m just curious because why not… Shall we expect some changes about these subjects? Will you make this game more fun than game oriented, or you just leave this as it is?

Honestly, I did enjoy the game 1-80, but after that, my western style sweet dream mmo goes into a korean style nightmare mmo!

Oh and this is not a QQ, it worth every cent I spent on this game, because that was fun. So just tell me… Is there any chance that I will have fun in this game in the future instead of grinding?