Guild Wars 2

Rezing through water gates is not an exploit, just bad design. Blame anet .

wtf CoSA disbanded!?!?! I guess I will figure out what’s up next Tuesday when I get back. Anyone need a commander?

Odies.8017:

Once again, CoSA great GvG! Once you guys get some more under your belt and keep going at it, you’re going to be unstoppable.

Below is the link to the GvG video, we did have one round before these three but as soon as we started the GvG a person came into our TS and started yelling directions. We are not blaming CoSA for this because we know they are better than that but SF stay classy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tDYy_LXDRs

Thanks Gornok! and thank you whoever made the video, it is a lot easier to break down spectator footage than footage from someone in the fight. It was CoSA’s first GvG and I think we all had fun.

Sorry your TS got trolled. If I find out who it was, I will do what I can to to make them regret it.

Jeknar.6184:

Attack Robot.2619:

Brick Tamland.6507:

Congrats on wiping SF though. We were rooting for you.

I think we had like 8 there.

Unless there are 2 minion necros at the far back of the gate, there are at least 15 “Sorrow’s Furnace (Insert Rank Here)” in the picture. But I’m already used to SF denying their numbers…

And yes, I did the count.

Sorry, I thought that was the second push when I posted. We had 8 live through that that went on to wipe a PHZE group that came to reinforce. We were trying to open the gate for GoM reinforcements and they decided to try and push us off. ( we knew we would not take the keep and would rather GoM have it than HoD).

Brick Tamland.6507:

Congrats on wiping SF though. We were rooting for you.

I think we had like 8 there.

Bawshie.3127:

Really SF CoSA mesmer , dying at water tunnel waiting to be rez’d? Are you really gonna have me here babysitting you ! Leave already :P ..Note to CoSA guild: train your mesmers please !…this tactic is lame
Trixy Lola [MU]

I agree this is lame but it is fair game so until Anet realizes how dumb it is and fixes it we are going to use it. We are going to handicap ourselves just because it is lame.

Noobie.1073:

Good fight with SF by SW tower KBL. [MvM] was the guild leading SF I believe, at least that was the guild tag of the Guard with the ghost tonic. You guys kept coming back like there was no tomorrow too. We need some more of those fights!! Good stuff

Yea that was a pretty good fight. We had a couple groups there, MvM was doing the heavy lifting and we had a small OS lead group with a couple CoSA and Shin.

Steve Whitley.8359:

Tongku.5326:

Hi guys

To all the AR and Kaineng people: <<TL:DR snip>>>
Those of us that have been on SF long enough know very well what its like to get rolled due to numbers week after week, after week for couple months straight and we understand your situation. <<TL:DR snip>>>Also, FYI, above posts are correct when they say SF is full during NA prime time and lacks coverage. <<TL:DR snip>>>I know you have lost a lot if not all of your highly organized WvW guilds, I highly recommend for 2-3 people to temporarily transfer out to a much higher server, join / run with an organized guild, then come back and help you out.

HI 4 months ago, how are you??? hows that rock you’re living under? any good bugs under there? I really dig the glowey green ones they have the tonic’s for now a days.

also, wtf (underlined bit) would anybody need to transfer out to wipe you guys roflmao. unless there’s some magical formula that lets 1 person do the damage of 9000 it doesnt matter where any of us play; the 1:100 odds doesn’t matter whether the server match up is jq/bg/sor, sf/ioj/dh or ar/kn/whoever-vs-anybody your individual players ability to damage a larger group is limited. and you know this (or maybe you dont play much wvw and its why you’re giving this advice… who knows).

yea, 1v100 is not going to happen (not to mention server cap per team is <100), but 25v50+ is very possible without siege. With siege (superiors) 10v60+ is possible. The trick is to take advantage of aoe limits and not let the enemy rally.

Again, here is a good place to start if you are interested: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/World-First-250k-Kills-Ultimate-Dominator/first

Dovgan.8605:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Dovgan.8605:

I am really enjoying this thread, SF talking about superiority and how to play WvW, other players calling out numbers and coverage.
First off, great for SF that they have the numbers this round. Good for them, that’s WvW. But telling players to come to your server during leagues is just stupid, why would they transfer?
As far as “teaching player’s how to WvW” that’s hilarious. You guys can’t even scratch the door on the tower my guild is defending (while we are actually online), let alone WvW, so please, don’t be ridiculous.

By the way, just did a text search of this entire thread (yes, ALL two pages) and you are the first and only person to type out the word “superior”. Kind of funny that you blame SF for that, yet it was you who called us superior.

Thanks, I guess.

Technically, you are the first person to use the word superior. Telling players what gear they should use and what videos they should be watching gives you an air of superiority, which, of course, was the word I used. Trust me SF is far from superior, unless you want to talk about active WvW player numbers.

I’m not really sure how I offended anyone by suggesting they watch RG vids. I think there is a pretty good consensus that RG was the best group to play this game. There are a number of other elite groups that post videos, but, generally they do not have comprehensive voice comms. The only reason the RG vids have comms is because they disbanded, and that is why I recommended them.

AndrewRain.3169:

But trying out my PTH for my warrior, seem to work better then PTV any suggestion?

PTH is pretty good too but you won’t have the hp buffer for big fights. What you will probably find is that it is really good until you start getting downed instantly. Warriors have a high base hp so it is not as big a deal but if you find yourself getting killed at the start of big battles you should try swapping in some PTV. Also on PTH the healing is the primary stat so your damage output is considerably lower than PTV.

Mooncow.6847:

Attack Robot.2619:

Steve Whitley.8359:

Wolfhounds.4659:

Well, this is going to be a slow week for SF

you get to sleep in the bed you make. it can be as fun or as boring as you make it. roll 120 ppl per map 24/7 and kill the 2 man group trying to take a camp, and you’ll find it’s going to be really pretty boring.

pretty typical sf as ever i recall. here’s to killing sf w/ boredom this week. too bad you’re not talented enough a server to make it to the higher league to play in a real competition so you’re stuck with having 120 ppl sitting for hours in empty maps watching for white swords to go and kill 2 ppl… brilliant. that’s awesome… yes can you help me w/ the gold cost to transfer there. i’m def. wanting to get in on that. oh wait, i already have another account on a t1 server that’s winning so no thanks (and anvil is still the better place IMO than sf that t1 server).

What do you want us to do? PvE? Lol. As much as it sux for the 2 of you it is worse for the “120” of us who have nothing to fight (FYI map caps per server are not nearly that high)

Also, weren’t there like 5 AR last time we fought? Might want to team up with the other 3 and see if you have better luck. If you can get 20 or so motivated ppl you could try studying some RG vids with Sacrx comms.

you’re from [CoSA] and you’re telling others to learn strategy? I’m very confused

We both know we have numbers on you, and I am not saying that you can win the matchup with better strategy. What I am saying is that if you want to win fights against larger numbers, the Red Guard vids are a good place to start learning how.

Also, I tell our players to watch the RG vids too, we have a lot of room for improvement ourselves. If we were already playing at RG level I would not have offered any suggestions since you would not have a chance, but we are not playing on RG level so you have some openings to win fights.

Steve Whitley.8359:

Wolfhounds.4659:

Well, this is going to be a slow week for SF

you get to sleep in the bed you make. it can be as fun or as boring as you make it. roll 120 ppl per map 24/7 and kill the 2 man group trying to take a camp, and you’ll find it’s going to be really pretty boring.

pretty typical sf as ever i recall. here’s to killing sf w/ boredom this week. too bad you’re not talented enough a server to make it to the higher league to play in a real competition so you’re stuck with having 120 ppl sitting for hours in empty maps watching for white swords to go and kill 2 ppl… brilliant. that’s awesome… yes can you help me w/ the gold cost to transfer there. i’m def. wanting to get in on that. oh wait, i already have another account on a t1 server that’s winning so no thanks (and anvil is still the better place IMO than sf that t1 server).

What do you want us to do? PvE? Lol. As much as it sux for the 2 of you it is worse for the “120” of us who have nothing to fight (FYI map caps per server are not nearly that high)

Also, weren’t there like 5 AR last time we fought? Might want to team up with the other 3 and see if you have better luck. If you can get 20 or so motivated ppl you could try studying some RG vids with Sacrx comms.

Neocyte.8357:

I was in dh bl attempting the jp. I was jumped on by guild members of DHE. I bowed multiple times to show that I had no intention of harming them. They proceeded to kill me. This is what I have to say: .l. -_- .l.

FYI /bow is generally a signal that you want to duel or fight, probably not the best emote to use if you are trying to avoid a fight. That being said, you should expect ppl to try and kill you no matter what you do.

Jeknar.6184:

Spica.9308:

As usual DH forms a zerg during 10pm-12midnight SEA prime time and is solely focused on hitting ET. Then some people made the wrong choices that costs us all our upgraded keeps and towers. Being out manned in all maps those times we can’t afford playing around so we lost pretty much everything. Keep working as a team ET!! We are always out manned that is why we focus solely on good coordination and strong defenses. It looks like fight for 1st place is solely fading away since basically DH and ET takes advantage of each others weakness instead of focus firing SF during their weak times.

If you are who I think you are, the text marked in bold is directed to me… And I still find pretty silly saying my choices were wrong, as I presented the reasons for them which, mind you, weren’t broken…

Clearly some mistakes were made by ET a couple times today but calling out Jenkar is pretty low. Spica, a lot of your arguments are not even wrong, but since I am your opponent I will not tell you why. However, I think Jenkar is pretty experienced and could probably enlighten you.

skullmount.1758:

(probably get infracted for this but)
You know what SF, you guys are kittens. Why the kitten would [seed] camp our JP? Are you guys that kittening kitteny? Is that all you can do? gang up on lone people trying to do JP?
SF has to have the worst kitten ethics out of all the servers.
I’ve yet to judge a sever based on the actions of one guild before, but this is really low.

Nice work seed

Jesse.4631:

ptitminou.6489:

I didnt notice a pink sylvari, but you should ask your guildies about what we did to them tonight. Did you at least see it? SF finally coordinated in EBG, like it?

Wasn’t there :p so why not explain what you did?

Not sure what happened in EB, but I do know that my not seeing you does not mean you are not standing next to me

Just want to say that Sorrow’s Furnace would love to have you guys. I think one of our community organizers contacted you in game so I will leave out the sales pitch. I hope you find a good fit, and if you go to one of our opponents I look forward to the fights.

nortask.8351:

D best.3547:

Don’t worry CNB will provide the real challenge tonight.

As we were yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56bNDAolxww&feature=youtu.be
That is a video of us holding a hills from a quite the angry mob.
Had great fun reset night!

I was the unlucky SOB commanding that angry mob. At least we were able to get you in that GoM bay fight yesterday, and learned so tonight was cleaner (though I hope we meet again with less siege involved).

Had some really good fights so far this week, I’m looking forward to the rest of it.

I’m glad AR brought the forum war, hope they still have some fight left in them when I get back in a few days

Myst.5783:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Probably gonna be a [CoSA] or [WMT] (walmart) tag, if it was the ugliest toon you ever saw with those awful dragon helm horns on then it was definitely a [WMT].

Yeah, it was the [WMT].

No matter how many times they get stomped they come right back for more. O_O

Glad I made someone happy

Couple more PK spikes.

PK Bounty still in place?(Not sure if the last two screenshots count, ballista spikes look sortof like spikes)

King Amadaeus.8619:

LordKael.7260:

Miss Firesss.3704:

We enjoyed having you guys too SF, [KING] [CoSA] [SONG] especially, and sometimes that WalMart one haha! We always knew when we met you guys, or you were spotted on the map somewhere, we would have a good fight on our hands.

I have an inkling we will meet again though, we aren’t too far apart from each other in the rankings.

Good luck wherever you end up.

O.o
I must say I’m rather surprised to see a shoutout to my guild on here haha. Considering I’m the only regular (with a couple more that hop in now and then), it’s nice to know we made an impression somehow and it’s much appreciated.

Btw, it was fun running around with you guys in animal tonics before the rest of our guys crashed the party :P

Don’t get too excited Kael they also mentioned Walmart….There will be no living with robot in Mumble when he sees that….

It was probably just Kael repping WMT

Habib Loew.6239:

Just a quick clarification. The formulas

wAPercent = wAScore / (wAScore + wBScore)
wAGlickoScore = (sin((wAPercent – 0.5) * Pi) + 1) * 0.5

make no assumptions about winners or losers. The first simply calculates a relative score percentage between the two teams involved. This is a number between 0.0 and 1.0. The second transforms the relative percentage into a Glicko 2 score using a sine wave which has the effect of making large score differentials have a less than linear impact on the Glicko 2 score (see the linked graph). The result is still in the range 0.0 to 1.0. Effectively this means that as score differentials get larger and larger the actual Glicko 2 score for a team approaches 0.0 or 1.0 more and more slowly.

We perform these operations pairwise on all the teams, so we are calculating 6 matches (two for each team) which fits the Glicko 2’s one-way nature. This is because the rating changes are asymmetric.

Because the ratings of two teams matter when calculating the results of a match (a lower rated team beating a higher rated team results in more change than a higher rated team beating a lower rated team) if two teams are very close in score then there is generally very little change in their ratings. Again, I encourage you to read the Glicko 2 website for a more thorough explanation of that part of the process.

Could someone explain why they are using a sin function? Having been on SF in T8 I can say that is really hard to get more points when you already have everything. If you want to solve the T8/9 problem you should consider getting rid of the sin function or using something like tangent or sinh.

Look at dem shiniez….
Good fight in SM last night

@Sniffy you just redeemed your guild for something they did a couple weeks ago (apparently such things are unmentionable on the forums)

@VK Lot of mixed feelings about you guys coming to play with us. Loving the fights, hating what Glicko does with the ratings because we really want out of T8. We need to hold pretty much everything all the time to get points and a group of good players like yours messes that up (http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA)

If you are asking about our night crew because we held FC bl over night, there were only a handful of us pulling all nighters in that bl (to appease the Glicko monster)

As far as running too much glass…. ya, we run glass, because glass is fun you should try it yourselves some time. You guys did not kill me enough to convince me that to drop the glass, 12k hp 100+%crit damage with a fiery great sword gets the adrenalin going (though I would not recommend it to someone new to PvP)

//End ramble time to play

Runamok.9638:

Gisei.5749:

SniffyCube.6107:

might be out of place here, but those of you that just saw VK join t8 and are already announcing they are the best thing since sliced bread. I’m going to have to say, from fighting Yarr for a long time now, I do think they’re the best small group out there… at least until I see otherwise.

just imo. but I have a lot of respect for them

Yarr is definitely skilled. I have a lot of fun targeting them, but they are completely different than VK. Yarr is best is small fights. 5v5 and under in my opinion. Exceptional at 1v1. Yarr aren’t really all that special when it is 20v20. Another face in a crowd.

Big shoutout to Yarr. Some good doobies in that bunch. Spent a couple hours dueling with them before last reset. They cleaned my clock good until the scotch started kickin in. Good times were had by all.

I think this is spot on. I have to much respect(fear?) for yarr that I generally run away if I am solo or with a couple others but they don’t have the numbers to be a real threat.

Also shout out to TAC had some really great fights against you guys. TAC v VK 10v10 would be cool to see vids of. I think TAC is a little outmatched so maybe 10v20 at a tower would be fun for you guys if you can find a time when our mindless SF Zerg is not slamming it’s forehead against anything breakable.

I think TAC was the most coordinated guild in T8 b4 VK came. I have not seen any voice comms on SF that come close to being called coordinated, and so far we haven’t needed it.

Again, welcome to T8 VK, I hope we still make it to T8 soon while picking up a few tricks from you guys and having some good fights

I am pretty sure the end of culling is going to be bad for my glass cannon ele. The alternative is that I am really good lol.
Culling has(had) some qualities that may contribute to how fun WvWvW is.

It distorts troop numbers so both sides feel like they are outnumbered so even fights where you have a major numbers advantage can seem like you are epic.

When you lose a fight you can blame culling and not be provably wrong so no one ever be shown to lose a fair fight.

You end up entering fights you would not otherwise and when you win it is epic, and when you lose you can blame culling. It is almost as if they made a system where everyone wins more than half the time (or maybe it is just because I am playing on SF and we do win most of the time)

I have also been having bad lag spikes since yesterday (3/1/2013). I have a pretty high end system(i7 3820, 32 GB quad channel ddr3, GTX570) and lots of bandwidth (also in California). Talked to other players and they are seeing lag to.