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No, just my word, but I dont have to prove anything for my self. I watch daily the top european pvp players and I see and hear things. Helseth even had a video on twich called “lets try to climb the leaderboards” where he and 1-2 of he`s friends where on the same team and voicechat a few games.
They count down, syncs and join the same game. Not everygame of course, but plenty of times to get a better rating.
The sad things is I like to watch those guys play in PvP, they know much about competitive PvP from other games too and the feedback they give is very important to community and ArenaNet. This is not about Helseth, the sync exploit is used much mre than people think..
Earlier today I played with WIWRA (ranger, top 15), you know what he did? he attacked alone a point thet was protected by 2 players and he tryed to kill them and cap a point. I know this doesnt prove anything, but a good player woud never do that. The whole leaderboard is so rotten on top it makes me quit the game.
And its not just about playing good and winning 10-0 games,, beeing a Superman and protecting 3 points at the same time, you have the leavers too, the afk players, and some random games starting 4v5.
I have lost all respect for top players after seeing how many of them are abusing Solo Q Leaderboars. Azshene from Team Paradigm/Curse, Helseth ans some others. I even heared how they are dissusing on twich how to exploint and sync. I thought you guys coud better. Shame on you!
The advantage you get if you have a great win ratio is huge after you get a ranking on leaderboards. It means you will get teammates around the same ranking as you are and this will make it much easyer to be on top. And if you have powerful friends (read other top players), you can exploint the game together and win.
I even created a second accout to test out if its possible to get a long winning streak at start. No chance. It doesnt matter how well you play., its not possible to get a winning streak 10-0, 10-1, without cheating.
I thought soloq woud be a place where solo players can play with other players on equal terms, but its not. The big egoes from turnament games just cant exept that they lose, so they do what most top people on leaderboards do… they win by cheating.
Why dont you just leave us solo players and go and play tournaments?
Its like ok to cheat in PvP as long as its socialy accepted, right? “everyone” does that.
It reminds me of doping in cycling during the 90.`and 00.`
Someone may say… come down, its just the game, why do you care? or why dont you do the same? Hmm… its sad to seee how this game devaloped from GW1…
And time will not change this, it will just increase the differance between those that cheat and those that dont.
I managed now to get a 5-6 games wining streak so Im getting better teammates, thanks God. It was terrible the first 30 games. Its like you play good, but no matter what you do you know allready after a few min that you gona lose.
Im aware of all this, I communicate in chat, on map and so on. I play engi/guardian.
Little about my self, R48, allways played solo in tournaments, usually had a rating around 600.-800. place, not bad for a solo player.
Started yesterday ad was unlucky and got 4 losses from start and since then it was a uphil strugle. My ratio win/lose ratio is like 10/20 now. The problem Im facing is that becouse of the bad start I have problems in getting some decent players on my team. Its like Im stuck in the mud and cant get out no matter how well I play and its getting depressing.
-1/3 of my games end up 1-2 people leaving on my team. Even if we have good chances for comeback people leave.
-becouse of my bad ratio I got usually very bad team mates that are totaly lost. I allways have to carry my team and cant get any winning streak. I win 1, lose 1, win 1, lose 2 and so on.
It has nothing to do with how well I play, I just cant get out of low ratings.
Any suggestions?
Pray?
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Agree, necroes engi and guardians are so OP on this map. Its so easy to knock down people from points thakittens scarry.
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Your not rewarded for defence is nobody attacks…lets say your a bunker…if you stand at a node and nobody wants to attack you…then you gain nothing.
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Conan, the winn in its self is a reward in competitive play and you adwance on leaderbords. Thats the whole point. And it doesnt matter how much points you scored, you won. Thats the point of competitive tournament play. Glory points doesnt affect your rank progression.
Yesterday I had a teammate in a fight that was capping the same point as me. When I told him to go and help the others (since I was protecting that point)he answered he needed points for he`s daily achivement. That argument was the final nail in the coffin for me and sums up GW2 PvP.
I hope ArenaNet reads this.
Yea, remove hot join compleatly. If people want to zerg they can go to WvW. The way hotjoins are beeing played now discurages any common sense play in tournaments. People at lower ratings play 5v5 tournaments like hotjoins. They dont watch on twich GW2 pvp and they have no ways of learning to play tactics.
Im one of those players that plays tournaments solo. My rating is jumping up and down between 600. place and 90%, all depending how lucky I am with the team I get. Im sure 75% of the games I lose are due to people making some basic tactical errors, leavers, afks and so on. I have played around 1000 tournament games.
I hope solo que will make the experiance better for people like me that dont have a team and want to play solo in a competitive way (as much as it can be done).
However I can see this also splitting the community even more if they dont remove hot join and competitive teamplay will suffer becouse of this (longer que time).
I must addmit I have given up on GW2 PvP and realised it will never reach the popularity GW1 PvP had. Its sad, but you focus on what makes money, right?
Many people take this capping culture from hot joins in to tournament play and thats why they lose. I went yesterday from beeing rated around 600. place to 95% during 8-9 games. I lost all of them and almost all was due to very poor defending off points: I played solo q and got matched up with terrible teammates that lacked basic knowlege of tactical play. And many where like R40+. I tryed to explain and give instructions but very few listened.
During 1 game we lost all 3 points and 1 of my team mates was on treb and just randomly fired on points, while another team mate, a ranger with a pig was just running around and looked lost. And all this while the other team had 2 points unprotected. I had also 3 leavers in those 8-9 games. Playing with people that have low rating is a terrible experiance.
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Who is on top and who is on bottom in hotjoin doesnt mean nesseserly how well they played the game since its depends on the role of the class and the way its played (you will rearly see a guardian on top)
A good, experianced player may also hold a point and protect it alone and thus let the rest of the team fight on the other points. At the end the good player maybe scored very little points and is on bottom, but it was actually he who won the game for the team.
If you see a higher ranked player (R40+) at the bottom in hot join then either he a) joined the game late or b) he played the game as its played in tournaments.
I play allways soloQ and my experiance has been different depending on my rating. Outside top 1000, specially if you are under 90% there is much more people going afk, leaving games and just not careing about tactics. Im amazed of the number off people with high ranks that just play tacticly terrible and usually its this guys that leave the game.
However if you manage to break top 1000 and get higher ratings everthing is getting better and better. People communicate in chat, positioning very well and you can see they are good teamplayers. Beating premades is not a problem if you have good players on your team.
just want to bump this
Its interesting that non of you is getting the point. There is a gameplay funcion that doesnt work well and needs to be adressed. The answer “play it in a different way” doesnt solve the problem and from the customer point of wiew its not valid.
As I see it now ArenaNet doesnt do anything about it becouse:
1. they dont think the problem is serious
2. they are afraid that if they impement some kind of punishment it will have a negative effect on playerbase
I think:
1. The problem is serious. How can you have a competitive gameplay and not control the variables? For solo players its a major problem. And dont come here and tell me again to play it in a different way. Then its not solo play.
2. Dont think it will affect the playerbase in a negative way. Its somthing people where asking for a long time.
Pls how many months time after time do we have to beg to do somting about this? It wont change by it self. Do you understand thakittens destroying solo play in tournaments?
Do you care about solo players????
Do you understand my frustration and where it leads… me having to be rude for somthing this simple?
Desolation-EU, R46. My rating is usually between top 750 – 90%. Playing only solo. I feel the matchmaking is improved, havent seen a R1-R8 in any fights (around 30 games) since new patch. The fights seems more balaced.
However it feels much harder to get your rating up/down then before. I guess somthing like between how it was before and how is now is probably best.
And one more thing… do somthing with leavers please.
I dont know, but the way things are now it just doesnt promote for solo play.
I guess instead of crying about solo queue you could find people to play with. Nah why do that, go through that hassle of having to talk to other people on a voip, to difficult.
You miss the point.
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Its about the game mode that shoud be competitve but its not working as desinged. They wanted to make it newbe friendly so they added a possability to play solo. But its impossible to play it competitive as a solo player. There is a important funcion in PvP that is very poor designed.
I guess instead of crying about solo queue you could find people to play with. Nah why do that, go through that hassle of having to talk to other people on a voip, to difficult.
You miss the point.
Thats all. Just need to get it of my chest. The matchmaking system doesnt work as intended. Its terrible for solo players.
I have played GW1 PvP for 7 years. 7 years! You did a good job there, but GW2 is just a BIG dissapointment.
If someone doesnt understand the OP, this is what we want:
I had a interesting experiance yesterday thats sums up for me the problems with leaderboards and matchmaking at the moment.
Im a avarage good player, have a good build for my class and know how to play well. However where I trully exell is what I woud call battlefield awarenes (movement, positioning, reding the map…). I have never been in top 1000 simply becouse I play solo, but I have felt many times that Im much better than my rating. Im sure many others feel the same way. I belive that more than 50% of games Im losing are due to how the system works, people going afk, 4v5 fights, R1 players and so on. I know this goes both ways and that I had some “free” wins with the oposing team having the same problems.
So yesterday I started playing at 95% and for my first 5 games I was matched up with R1-R2 players, afks and so on. It was a terrible experiance and I got 1win and 4losses. I allways try to give some information at the start but it helps little.
Then I got a new random team and 1 of the guys asked if someone on the team was over R10. We all started to laugh becouse it sums up some of the frustration we all had experianced. We started to play and it showed quickly that we worked well together and we knew what we where doing. We won our first game like 500-50, no low ranks og afks on the other team. Then we made a quick team and in the next 5 games we faced premades and we won all our matches.
Next time I checked the leaderboards I was around 600. place. In few hours I went from 95% to 75% and to 600. somthing. I didnt become a better player in a few hours, yet my rating got much higher simply becouse I was lucky to get team up with some other decent players.
And that sums up the problems with leaderboards and solo play. The people on top of leaderboards definitivly deseves to be there, but under those players its just random and its much about getting lucky during matchmaking if you play solo. There are good players outside the leaderboars becouse they play solo, and there are bad players in top 1000 becouse they are caried by other players.
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Just to clarify… if you are 75% that means that you ar better than 75% of players outside the leaderboards.
The matchmakeing system is terrible. I dont like to QQ but if we dont keep telling what has to be improved in PvP they wont focus on that.
Totaly agree. Whenever Im gettng a new weapon I allways look for weapons that look down to earth: I play PvP a lot and have around 75% off all weapons unlocked. No metter what clsaa I play I allways go for simple, elegant weapons.
When the game first came out I was playing for hours with character creation, colours and so on. I was really amazed with all the possibilities the Sylvari had with different patterns and colours. I loved it and started to play as a Sylvari. Then I realized the most armors where just not fitting the Sylvari culture.
Yes, we have a cultural armor, but you never actually see for full the creativity people put in creating the sylvari character with patterns and colours. And for the most time the patterns in the caracter creation are much more beautiful then the armors you can get.
So what I woud love to see is the possability to show of your Sylvari characters as you created them… or to put it the other way “naked”. Its not about nudity, but there shoud be a armor type that lets you show how beautifull your Sylvari is.
Some type of armor like the Monk tatoos from GW1, or simply a invisible armor only available for Sylvari so you prevent other characters running naked.
Maybe this armor type coud also be available through the Black Lion Company.
I gave up with teams as few people want to actually get on at specific times/ use voice/then still suck.
and yea pugs r random sometimes I get lucky but mostly I don’t.
Poor created and coordinated teams is probably even worst then pugs, becouse you wil fight other teams. If you just randomly creat a team of 5 players you wont win many games.
The good experiance I had with solo playing is that as you get higher on leaderboards you get match up with better players.
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Look I know pug vs premade is always the premade but what about pug vs pug?
last 7 of my matches were as follows:
first one 5v5 against rank 40+ entire team. and my team were I am DOUBLE the next highest ranker…. lost 500-200 sumthin….
second match…
4v5 a no show…
third…. against the old pro guild vs my 4v5…. 500-30….. Im a bunker with 916 power…. scored double what 2nd place was…..
fourth…. my team basically zerged yet still didn’t cap a single point… I had 14 decaps…. 14!!! that’s 1 per minute basically. still lost….
fifth….we won by 1 point in a 4v5.. my team with the 5…. i still scored highest… still no clue how….
sixth… i 1v2’d ENTIRE match on far point. decapped. still lost. how my team loses a 4v3 ill never know.
seventh…. 5v5 with 2 rank 1’s…. I quit????Um why should I even bother playing?
I feel your pain.
Im R44 and have lots of expariance from playing the old tournaments from GW2. People I have been playing with before are not active anymore so after the introduction of leaderboards i have been pugging solo. It has been a terribe experiance, mainly becouse… well everything is random :-)
You get matched up with random people, there is no penalty for leaving the fight and some people simply dont know what to do or how to play.
I know Im deffinitivly good to be on top 1000 on leaderboards, but since I have been pugging all time Im usually around 95-75%. I once even dropped down to 42% becouse for 7 cosiquitive games I was paired with leavers, people going afk, people rank 1-5 and so on. First I was so kitten off I was hitting the desk with my fist and then embarresed when I saw how low my leaderbord position was, 42%.
But you also win games only because of leaver, afk people and rank 1-5 people at the other team.
Create a friend list, invite nice people before tourney. Problem solved
Im aware of this, but thats not what I want to point out. Its about the game mode that shoud be competitve but its inpossible to play it competitive as a solo player. There is a important funcion in PvP that is very poor designed. You have a funcion to play tournaments but you cant be competitive solo.
Look I know pug vs premade is always the premade but what about pug vs pug?
last 7 of my matches were as follows:
first one 5v5 against rank 40+ entire team. and my team were I am DOUBLE the next highest ranker…. lost 500-200 sumthin….
second match…
4v5 a no show…
third…. against the old pro guild vs my 4v5…. 500-30….. Im a bunker with 916 power…. scored double what 2nd place was…..
fourth…. my team basically zerged yet still didn’t cap a single point… I had 14 decaps…. 14!!! that’s 1 per minute basically. still lost….
fifth….we won by 1 point in a 4v5.. my team with the 5…. i still scored highest… still no clue how….
sixth… i 1v2’d ENTIRE match on far point. decapped. still lost. how my team loses a 4v3 ill never know.
seventh…. 5v5 with 2 rank 1’s…. I quit????Um why should I even bother playing?
I feel your pain.
Im R44 and have lots of expariance from playing the old tournaments from GW2. People I have been playing with before are not active anymore so after the introduction of leaderboards i have been pugging solo. It has been a terribe experiance, mainly becouse… well everything is random :-)
You get matched up with random people, there is no penalty for leaving the fight and some people simply dont know what to do or how to play.
I know Im deffinitivly good to be on top 1000 on leaderboards, but since I have been pugging all time Im usually around 95-75%. I once even dropped down to 42% becouse for 7 cosiquitive games I was paired with leavers, people going afk, people rank 1-5 and so on. First I was so kitten off I was hitting the desk with my fist and then embarresed when I saw how low my leaderbord position was, 42%.
NO I think it should be “like” Gw1.
2leaves = 10min dishonor
And if they leave again after the first 10min it will be 20min then 40min …
I dont think this woud work in tournaments. The games last much longer compared to GW1 arena. If someone leaves, he`s teammates lose and that affects the rating of the players. This can be misused by manipulating the leaderboards. The penalty shoud be longer, like 1 hour and some penalty loss of points.
Sorry, but Im just so furious becouse of this :-(
Game after game after game. Sorry ArenaNet but solo playing tournaments is very bad designed.
This is much more important than game balancing.
Im really tired of playing tournaments as a solo player. There are some mager issues in PvP and Im so disappointed that its not a game priority. I dont care about hotjoins, but ArenaNet desided to make tournaments more casual friendly by letting people join solo and that way attract more people. But its just terrible to play tournaments solo becouse every 3. game someone leaves. This can happen during, start, mid or at the end game.
How can this be competitive gameplay??? You cant deliver a product like this, sell it as competitive gameplay but with no restictions on how people can misuse it. I dont care if someone argues that we dont have to play if we dont like it, its not the point. I have been working in industry and I understand its somthimes hard to deliver what costumers want, but this is simply just terrible and gamebreaking for competitive play. It shows ArenaNet doesnt care about solo players.
Its a serious issue and has to be delth with asap.
Im finished with this game. I cant be constructive any more, sorry. The matchmaking and people leaving makes the PvP a terrible experiance for solo players.
I remember this beeing taken up a few times in the PvP state of the game discussions, but ArenaNet just continued in the same direction. I dont know what you are planing for the expansion, but your reputation on the PvP market is seriously damaged.
ArenaNet, you made a “Our time is now” trailer. Thats apply to you too.
I have so many bad experiances with leavers the past few days and it is a serious problem for us solo players. I noticed people leaving at start if the team falls back like 250points vs 150 points. And its possible to make a comeback from that.
About 7/10 solo games end up by 1 player leaving .
The problem I find with solo quing is that when you win a few games and your rating increases you get paired with some realy poor players on your team. That woud be fine if you woud allways face only solo quening players and fght them, but you dont. You face premades and even if they have a low rating, they are much better orginasered and wil win 8 out of 10 games. So your rating wil drop a lot since you lose to some low rated players.
Its like your rating can improve just to a certain point, and then drops down again as quickly you face some semi decent organised teams. Its just random, to random.
I played now solo around 18 games and won only 50%. Its not that I lost half of my games, but its about how I lost. I think I lost to a good team only twice, the other losses where in teams with people that played like they play hot join. Just capping, running solo, never protecting… thats it. It didnt matter what I did. I hold close point or mid, made suggestions on strategi, asked them nicly to hold points and focus on this or that… but they dont listen
So there I was… trying to play tournaments solo and be competitive, but I end up teaching other players what to do in a way that its just not effective.
So how can I play competivite as a solo player? I cant. Yes, I can find maybe a good team and increase my rating, but thats not the point. The system enquarages people to play solo (you can join games easly) but at the same time punishes them for doing so since you cant actually be competitive. Its just random from the players view (even if its a hidden formula behind it).
Sorry for my bad english.
Just had now 4 games in a row that a player left from my team just after 2-3 minutes, not even giving a team a chance to fight. Then what shoud the rest of us 4 do, just leave too?
Solo play in turnaments is pointles if you want to play seriously. Its just a random fight.
I dont want to moan, but seriosly got 5 games now it the row destroyed becouse of the matchmaking. in 4 games one person left after just a few minutes, not even giving the team a chance to fight.
I agree, this is very annoying and there is no point in playing solo. Its not about skill, it doesnt matter how good you are if you fight a premade team you wil lose 8 of 10 games. You just cant play competitive as a solo. The matchmaking is badly implemented and the ratings dont work as intended.
I play solo (Im rank 43 ao Im not a beginner) and my games go like this. Start a game, big chance of facing a premade. If we fight a premade there is a big chance 1 player wil dicsonect. Fight a premade 4v5. :-(
The system as it is now is usless for people who play solo.
I dont want to be negative, but sPvP vise this game is dead. I loved so much GW1, been playing it for 7 years and loved every minute of it. Im a huge GW fan and have a big respect for what ArenaNet have done for the PvP comunity in GW1. I wated so long for GW2 and I really, really want to belive that this game has a PvP future, but during the last few weeks I got more and more depressed about the state of the sPvP.
And I write this not to moan, but becouse I really care, I just have to take a break and maybe come back after a few months.
Isnt it sad that the PvP community is bigger in GW1 then GW2? You kind of want to make a better product then you had before, but you failed compleatly.
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Im not sure how deathmach will work in GW2 since we dont have the holly trinity. I think spiking can be a problem when you dont have dedicated healing classes.
If this is not a problem then I woud love to see GvG implemented.
one other thing… I feel that in the discussions before people used much time trying to ask “when” and Anet aswering “when its ready”. Focus on the quality in the discussions… talk about the state of the game, what need improvements and how this can be solved.
Hi Xeph!
I just want to wish you good luck and dont be afraid to ask difficult questions. Be constructive and give honest feedback on the state of the PvP game. I know this is subjective, but you have lots off experiance from high end PvP so use it to somthing good. Come with suggestions on how the PvP can be improved.
I dont agree with class balance issues Apollo. but dont have the time to write now. We do need more builds however.
I just started playing solo and it is nice to just go in there and(hopefully) have fun without the constraints of a strategy. I mean you’ll figure one out eventually but in the end, it’s a lot more enjoyable.
Thats the problem atm, you play for fun without caring for strategy, the other team does care. So while you run around and have fun your teammates like me get ganked. :-(