Guild Wars 2

You did it for fun but your post is one of the only one making sense in this forum.

I liked it.

Rudy.6184:

Azzan.1650:

I dont understand teh ones claiming the meta is condi in WvW. In spvp, i just don’t know.

I roam a lot in wvw with different condi build : warrior, engi et mesmer and right now i am having fun with a pure mesmer shatter dps build (funnier than pu mesmer condi). I dont have any cleanse et it is just working nicely. I rarely meet condi ennemy and if I die, i know it is because i dont have any cleanse. I could have 6 cleanse every 10 s if I want to but i made the choice to get 2 others dps traits.

If power build has been nerfed, there is a reason….. I fear more thief (8500 BS + 5000 HB) than an engi…..

This thread is pointless. Of course, you need to have cleanse to deal with condi build…. Of course you have to get vit and toughness against power. And it is very, very stupid to think avoid condi and avoid power is different ! It is juste the same ! Position, moving, dodging, blind, aegis, block !

An ele with 40% cond reduction duration is unkillable with a condi build.

You could have seen me. You know why i run this food (broken like +condi dur)? Because everyone playes condi (not like u say)… Other thing is remembering that condi builds are tough. I play mainly with ele and can do with condies because of that, but other proffessions – nope. Also I’m playing with condi thief to see difference – and there is. Condi builds are high reward/low risk builds. I can facetank with thief cause of dire set, and kill some enemies in 5 sec, fight multiple enemies and spam to death.

Yes condition spec are easier, i dont deny it. I believe you if you meet more condi but it is not my case. I see many thief d/p, d/d, s/d solo roaming.

I dont understand teh ones claiming the meta is condi in WvW. In spvp, i just don’t know.

I roam a lot in wvw with different condi build : warrior, engi et mesmer and right now i am having fun with a pure mesmer shatter dps build (funnier than pu mesmer condi). I dont have any cleanse et it is just working nicely. I rarely meet condi ennemy and if I die, i know it is because i dont have any cleanse. I could have 6 cleanse every 10 s if I want to but i made the choice to get 2 others dps traits.

If power build has been nerfed, there is a reason….. I fear more thief (8500 BS + 5000 HB) than an engi…..

This thread is pointless. Of course, you need to have cleanse to deal with condi build…. Of course you have to get vit and toughness against power. And it is very, very stupid to think avoid condi and avoid power is different ! It is juste the same ! Position, moving, dodging, blind, aegis, block !

An ele with 40% cond reduction duration is unkillable with a condi build.

Don’t play a glass canon…. Ho wait…. Nvm.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

Azzan.1650:

It is nor your bad, just copy the link into a new webpage.

For the backpack, you can have a rare 80 : 14 precision, 14 vit and 20 Healing Power.

As far as the backpack goes, the precision is dead weight with this build’s crit rate already as low as it is, especially compared to the loss of power (as a multiplier) and toughness.

I understand, it makes sense. With your build, there is one thing you have to fear : poison !

It is nor your bad, just copy the link into a new webpage.

For the backpack, you can have a rare 80 : 14 precision, 14 vit and 20 Healing Power.

If it was a different build suggested by arenanet, i would be ok with that. There is no new build. I have no problem to adapt. But i don’t like at all to be forced to quit a build for an other one (which already exist).

So i take yours advices : what build should I take ? Stuff ? Walkirie ? I already have 60%crit dmg, giving up precision for crit dmg would be less crit for me and ofc less DPS. If precision, vit and power gear was available, that would be awesome. Ofc, these don’t exist.

For DPS : power > precision > crit dmg. But precision give you more proc so it is balanced. Crit dmg is only nice at some point for gardian (60-70%) but more is useless.

Meditation ? I don’t like meditation skills and they have horrible cd. Shouts were nice for regen, prot and stability. I dont want to give up sign of judgement (10%dmg reduction which represent more than 400 tho when you have 2000 tho).

Gardians traits are bugged, i don’t know if you know that, what s the point to nerf a trait and not fixing the bugs ? And the patch before, we got one buff (this one wasn’t working anyway) and they removed it with this patch.

It is not the end of gardian, just the end of a particular gameplay => heavy crit, low hp but very good healing when attacking just dead. The aoe healing was OP only.

Dont worry, i am pretty sure AH will be nerfed soon again. And they will nerf the sigil blood+60% life steal food.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

That clearly was not my entire point. Just going to remove that from my post completely.

AH was extremely powerful. It needed dampening, so it got some. We still have plenty of high-survivability builds. Players who relied entirely on AH will simply have to adapt.

I am pretty you don’t know anything about gardian. Can’t wait to watch your vid. No offense… Let me explain to you. A gardian who relied entirely on AH is specced like that : 0 0 5 30 30 5 or close and use hammer to procs a lot of boons. VP nerfed is not game breaking for them, and they are totally unaffected when they play with 4 others players. But for people who wants to use an other weapon and be in solo in WvW with a similar build like me or people like Ganzo who wants to use the following spec : 0 30 30 5 5 with a sword (90 crit rate at least with the trait in radiance, full knigh gear), AH VP self healing was still enough for them to get some healings. Not a lot but still enough….

Now these specs are not working. Don’t tell me need to adapt. Our gameplay aren’t working anymore, we just cant adapt since it is expensive to buy exo stuff. We are not talking about gameplay adaptation but about : CHANGE YOUR GAMEPLAY, GET A STAFF AND HAMMER, BE A LITTLE GIRL HIDING BEHING YOUR FRIENDS IN WVW OR STOP PLAYING GARDIAN.

I am glad that yours builds are not destroyed. Heavy crit builds are now useless. I play AH sword/GS with High crit rate and my setup is entirely destroyed. Thanks Arenanet for destroying builds based on crit. So now we can just use the same spec/builds/gear.

Ganzo.5079:

Someone on the guardians Forum proposedsomething like this, Simply introduce a CD of 0.5 second for VP proc, with the Old Vigor Duration.(1 sec per proc)
A perfect solution to Avoid AOE AH heals, but in the same time a Crit build is not nerfed on single Target.

Exactly.

But arenanet won’t listen, they just want to ruin gardian class, they didn’t even fix the bugs like purity of voice and our ranged dps doesnt exist.

/Signed

I think before the nerf, you could proc VP 4 times per second (with a lot of ennemies) so the healing was too huge. In 5 s you could get 1440 hp (72*4*5). But now you get only 72, that s ridiculous.

0.8 tick VP per second would be a good alternative without killing specific spec of guardian.

Koga.7215:

Voltron.1043:

LOL! Reading this i feel like guardian was nerfed to ground. I was testing today my Hammer/AH 0/15/30/10/5 build in dungeons, and I dont feel diffrence. I still tank bosses, heal like crazy, and draw aggro nice, so whats the problem? Now I can make more dodges and dodges heal me. I have permanent Vigor now. And so many boons around I dont feel heal per sec drop. Now there is no even moment without Vigor

I undestand that if someone choose GS or Sword and was spamming crit autoattack, when each one was healing him, he will cry. But now you have to choose between DPS (Sword, Scepter, GS) and more tank/healing DPS (Hammer/Mace) and full Support/Heal (staff). I am glad becasue now Hammers are in better place since they heal more from Protection and Retalition, and Sword will be DPS weapon and no more free-heal each attack.

For me it wasnt nerf- it was balance change. Ur DPS or Tank/DPS? Now Choose. And try maybe something else with traits (I grabed Empowered Might today and testing it).

Having not read the guardian patch notes last night (looked at what they did for thief, then went to mess with him) and ended up running fractals and other dungeons on my guard as we were missing heavy’s I wouldn’t have ever noticed that there was a change that effects my AH build. (I run a tanky DPS shout AH build) As with normal my health was almost always 80% or higher but for after big hits from bosses, and even then I never felt even the slightest danger of being downed (unless i afk auto atk and don’t ever dodge).

I will say this change can effect heavy DPS crit builds who wanted to be a tank too, but lets get real you shouldn’t be doing mass damage and still be tanking like a pro. If you want to be a great tank for your group, you need to give up some dps, and if you want to be dps you need to give up some heal/tankyness.

As said before i have 3200 armor, 2850 attack, 51% crit rate, 60% dmg crit and 14k healh.
Am i a tank ? Did you see my hp pool ? Am i a DPS ? No like thief…. WIth the AH healing, i don’t tank but i survive only if i can attack. I dont complain about thief, but they can backstab me for 5k (dead in 3 second if I dont dodge). Is it god mod ? No. Stacking thoughness is useless if you have no health. But if you can heal yourself, that could be interesting. That was the basement of high crit build. 800 thoughness = 25% dmg reduction. 800 vitality = 8k life.

Of course, the hammer AH is still competitive. High DPS and good self healing.

GS and Sword with AH ? Useless weapon in WvW. Sword healed me nicely because of attack speed and gs because of AOE.

Ganzo has proposed soemthing like this : VP working like power on crit (1s cd internal cd so it doesnt proc like 4 time at the same time because of aoe.). That would be a nerf (totally justified), that would hurt but sword/gs would be still awesome to play.

Well done, you have just destroyed a gameplay. That s not the end of the world, of course, it is just a game but i didn’t know reducing the variety of gameplay was a part of it.

Voltron.1043:

LOL! Reading this i feel like guardian was nerfed to ground. I was testing today my Hammer/AH 0/15/30/10/5 build in dungeons, and I dont feel diffrence. I still tank bosses, heal like crazy, and draw aggro nice, so whats the problem? Now I can make more dodges and dodges heal me. I have permanent Vigor now. And so many boons around I dont feel heal per sec drop. Now there is no even moment without Vigor

I undestand that if someone choose GS or Sword and was spamming crit autoattack, when each one was healing him, he will cry. But now you have to choose between DPS (Sword, Scepter, GS) and more tank/healing DPS (Hammer/Mace) and full Support/Heal (staff). I am glad becasue now Hammers are in better place since they heal more from Protection and Retalition, and Sword will be DPS weapon and no more free-heal each attack.

For me it wasnt nerf- it was balance change. Ur DPS or Tank/DPS? Now Choose. And try maybe something else with traits (I grabed Empowered Might today and testing it).

Before nerf, i was under permanent vigor. Now i am under permanent vigor. Where is the buff ? You run with hammer so you won’t feel the difference. Did you know the dps between a sword and hammer is very low in fact ? Read the guide of brutality.

You just gain more boons with hammer and more attacks speed with sword (nice with vp every second but not anymore).

Balthalzar.6243:

You only use the staff for healing, and then you switch back to greatsword.

If you like it why not. But I prefer to use an other weapon to have an other gap closer and high solo damage than a staff to heal and boost myself.

Staff and hammer is very effective, maybe more than my gameplay (before nerf) but i loved the sword/gs. Now it is not about being more or less effective, it is just my gameplay means nothing now.

Where is the point to play AH if a thief with 96% steal life can heal himself like a gardian would do. Let s be honest, ommonberry + sigil heal a lot more than VP (before nerfed).

Balthalzar.6243:

Because game-play always changes as something gets buffed/nerfed

Yeah but i hate this gameplay, it is boring to stand with the ranged class and watch the fight…

Gameplay doesn’t change ! It is only one gameplay destroyed, and forcing a player to play an other way.

I hate being a boring support with a staff. I like to engage into a big fight, deal some aoe dmg in melee and come back to my group with a very low health….

Balthalzar.6243:

Azzan.1650:

Balthalzar.6243:

^it’s not completely destroyed lol

yes it is. I have 53% crit with 14k hp and 3200 armor. I can’t survive now. I understand something needs to be fixed, but there is a difference between destroying selfhealing by vigorous precision and lower it.

I think the max boons vigor you could get was 4 per second (you need to hit 4 ennemis at least at the same time). Now self healing from VP is about only 5% from what it has been. WOw, just wow. I don’t remember being so broken at this point.
We have the worst mobility in the game and hp pool in the game. With VP, i could survive a bit as a vanguard and i liked it. Now i just can’t survive. Just use my scepter and run like a sissi if something went wrong because i am so useless.

3200 armor?

go grab a staff, run staff/gs or hammer/staff.

I’m having no problems in WvW or PvE…

I don’t want to grab a staff… Why i have to ? I play sword/focus and GS, high crit rate . Why should I change my gameplay ?

Ganzo.5079:

i simple solution to the problem for me.

instead of 5 seconds of vigor with 5 seconds CD from vigor that is equal to 70 hp every 5 seconds from AH.

5 tick(1sec) of vigor with 5 seconds CD, that is equal to 350 hp every 5 seconds if you run a crit build.
or 4 tick(1 sec) of vigor, with 5 second CD if we want some kind of nerf.

That would be nice. Nerfing self healing from VP about 50%. Not a 95% nerf ! That s kitten !

Balthalzar.6243:

^it’s not completely destroyed lol

yes it is. I have 53% crit with 14k hp and 3200 armor. I can’t survive now. I understand something needs to be fixed, but there is a difference between destroying selfhealing by vigorous precision and lower it.

I think the max boons vigor you could get was 4 per second (you need to hit 4 ennemis at least at the same time). Now self healing from VP is about only 5% from what it has been. WOw, just wow. I don’t remember being so broken at this point.
We have the worst mobility in the game and hp pool in the game. With VP, i could survive a bit as a vanguard and i liked it. Now i just can’t survive. Just use my scepter and run like a sissi if something went wrong because i am so useless.

So purity of voice not fixed, AH build full crit completely destroyed, that s must be a joke right ?

Wilow.3061:

Azzan.1650:

The worst is the p/s condi, how am i supposed to counter this stupid spec as a gardian ?

Just remove this stupid class.

Azzan.1650:

Dynia.9574:

Azzan.1650:

The worst is the p/s condi, how am i supposed to counter this stupid spec as a gardian ?

Just remove this stupid class.

if you get owned by some class or buid that mean you do something wrong or you are bad pvp palyer, if you get owned by some class dosen’t mean is stupid its just you.

Guardian qq about thief is op ? rly ? ROFL

ofc its troll post who want get thiefs nerf
2nd of all im not thief defender im just fair judger cause I play 5 classes on pvp right now some times 6

I dont complain about d/d thief, just learn to read. I said there is no way to beat a ranged thief condi 95% invisi of the time.

We’ll learn to read when you learn to post. Thieves are unable to wield Pistol/Sword (unless you are talking about Sword/Pistol…in which case I’m sorry to inform you that that build is not a condition one by any means). I’m pretty sure you are talking about Pistol/Dagger, but if you are going to tell someone L2R, please make sure you aren’t quoting yourself saying something that is flat out wrong and not possible.

I agree, if the thief is invisible 95% of the time he will be hard to kill. But he won’t be much of a threat either…At best you are looking at about 58% uptime on stealth if he is trying to kill you. 4 seconds of stealth, 3 seconds revealed. up to an aditional 1/2 second to CnD, and that’s assuming he is able to land CnD the moment the revealed debuff ends.

You know what is magic with condition ? Dealing damage without being there…. A p/d is able to deal constant damage, regardless invisible phase, because of bleeds. And the the fun part is : removing condition is useless. Because with the auto-attacks, he stacks bleeds one by one, so if you dispell, you do it when you have at least 3 stacks. When you remove the bleeds, 3 auto-attacks later, you have again 3 stacks. Even if you can reach him, he use cnd, dodge, or pistol 3 to get away. For the d/d condi, you remove the bleeds just after being hit by Dager 3 (9 stacks i think) so i dont have any issue with a d/d thief (HS or bleeds).

Ok maybe i was confused by sword and dager but it doesnt change anything. You are just messing around. I know a condi ranged condi thief and when I asked him if he had lost a fight (1vs1), he told me that was too easy so pointless to do it and he prefered 1vs4-5 fight. (his video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAjtjfBNIo4&feature=youtu.be)

PS : sorry for my english

How do you counter this ? You just CANT. In WvWvW the condi thief p/d is the most powerfull class in the game because he doesn’t have to take risk to kill you like a real d/d. I can face any thief specs but not the pistol one….

Dynia.9574:

Azzan.1650:

The worst is the p/s condi, how am i supposed to counter this stupid spec as a gardian ?

Just remove this stupid class.

if you get owned by some class or buid that mean you do something wrong or you are bad pvp palyer, if you get owned by some class dosen’t mean is stupid its just you.

Guardian qq about thief is op ? rly ? ROFL

ofc its troll post who want get thiefs nerf
2nd of all im not thief defender im just fair judger cause I play 5 classes on pvp right now some times 6

I dont complain about d/d thief, just learn to read. I said there is no way to beat a ranged thief condi 95% invisi of the time.

Lyan.6804:

Azzan.1650:

RDGridjanika.3267:

Im kinda mad about this because im on gandara server and we got jade sea(FR) and Fort Ranik (FR) and they are allying up aginst us, and we didnt get any other server for opponents or a color change to get my last vistas on the map.
I would recommend to change it please or something.

You are so wrong… Jade sea and Fort Ranik are not allied. it is even the opposit. I have fought more FR than you gandarra.

Oh, sure thats why rarely u attack FR right? Cause its pretty weird that u guys strike at same time with both full server on us. I am pretty sure that the ones that attack eachother are just pugs that dont care about ur alliance. Weird that soon we get a tower down and fighting Ranik u guys know when gate or wall its at 0% and come in to take it then to let ranik take the tower again and this all day long. U pass things to eachother so Gandara cant cap it.
About the rankings, its setup like that until Ranik goes up to Tier 4, but then again dont get ur hopes up because AR is a french server too. And as we can see even from other Tiers the French support eachother. All we can do is keep fighting. Because we do pretty good since we have to divide ourselves to defend against 2 servers and they have all server in that side. So keep being strong Gandarians.

believe it or not, i don’t care. The jade sea map is covered by FR and Gandara right now. I have an example : We are attacking a tower (hold by blue gandarra) and Fort Ranik came to harrass us. From your point of view, it looks like we are allied but no, we are just fighting each other in front of your tower…. That s why we have lost so many wars irl ahaWhen i read the canal discussion ingame, there is nothing about an ally. It is just : "FR attacking X… " “Ok let s destroy them.”

Zafir.8367:

Azzan.1650:

Zafir.8367:

Azzan.1650:

That s unbelievable…

There is a difference between nightcapping (during the real night) and having NA players to do it for you. And now, RUIN wanted to join BT ? HAHAHAH

Errr? There’s no difference between having Russians or NA players night capping. It’s all part of the game. I’m not sure why this is still being moaned about. Arena.net have clearly stated it’s meant to be a 24/7 battle, and currently Blacktide have the best coverage.

Desolation is not a NA server…. RUIN came only to bring down VS (by nightcapping) because deso was not able to do it itself. Technically, there is nothing wrong about it. It is just an unfair move. Obviously, we don’t have the same meaning of fairplay.

Blacktide has a better coverage ? Good for them. When BT will be the first server, RUIN will leave this… server and .. You know the next…. Desolation will be only desolation, no man land.

How is it unfair that RUIN decided to transfer to Desolation?

I assume you are on Vizunah judging by the fact you care for neither Deso or BT. Back when you were nightcapping Far Shiverpeaks, Desolation and Riverside, all you could ever tell us was “Get a night team”. We have a night team, and now you are somehow unhappy we took your advice.

To say we are nothing without RUIN is wrong too, we wouldn’t beat you during the day when RUIN sleeps if that was the case. There’s a good number of native Desolation guilds, and as an whole we make the server. It’s true it would be a blow if RUIN left. However the same can be said for the guilds who moved to Blacktide. If they left blacktide, it would be a rather large blow to them.

you are so wrong, I am on Jade Sea…..I hope I will see you in my noob division, it will come soon.

RDGridjanika.3267:

Im kinda mad about this because im on gandara server and we got jade sea(FR) and Fort Ranik (FR) and they are allying up aginst us, and we didnt get any other server for opponents or a color change to get my last vistas on the map.
I would recommend to change it please or something.

You are so wrong… Jade sea and Fort Ranik are not allied. it is even the opposit. I have fought more FR than you gandarra.

Zafir.8367:

Azzan.1650:

That s unbelievable…

There is a difference between nightcapping (during the real night) and having NA players to do it for you. And now, RUIN wanted to join BT ? HAHAHAH

Errr? There’s no difference between having Russians or NA players night capping. It’s all part of the game. I’m not sure why this is still being moaned about. Arena.net have clearly stated it’s meant to be a 24/7 battle, and currently Blacktide have the best coverage.

Desolation is not a NA server…. RUIN came only to bring down VS (by nightcapping) because deso was not able to do it itself. Technically, there is nothing wrong about it. It is just an unfair move. Obviously, we don’t have the same meaning of fairplay.

Blacktide has a better coverage ? Good for them. When BT will be the first server, RUIN will leave this… server and .. You know the next…. Desolation will be only desolation, no man land.

That s unbelievable…

There is a difference between nightcapping (during the real night) and having NA players to do it for you. And now, RUIN wanted to join BT ? HAHAHAH

You think it would make a difference if i bring a scepter, really ? Class like guardian dont have any good ranged weapon for 1vs1 situation.

There is no way to counter this stupid spec as melee class.