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The traps radius is smaller then the cap radius. You don’t have to just sit there in the trap while capping. A trap should not be stopping you from taking a point. If the DH is also at the point then you know…kill him?
Well if you really are a 4 year mesmer then your problems run deeper then builds and nerfs. Even a amber level player doesn’t really worry about DH traps anymore. I haven’t had a DH give me trouble in weeks. Even when you encounter a smart DH who doesn’t just stack traps and stand on them they aren’t that difficult to handle. There is a reason you don’t see DH being represented much at all at the higher levels of play. Unlike the mesmer which has a huge presence.
Like I said you can’t compare the two. DH is a build that does well at picking off people who don’t know any better. Not exactly an impressive resume. If you want to talk builds then compare it to the other classes that have either been nerfed are are looking down the barrel of one soon.
You’re kidding right? DH trap burst is a noob killer. If you don’t know what you’re looking at it can be deadly and frustrating. Now if you have the ability to identify that your enemy is a DH the traps become almost a non-issue.
You can EASILY avoid them if you know what you’re doing. There is a reason that DH traps aren’t making anyone cry outside of weekend warriors who pvp bi-weekly. Not even in the same league man and the fact that you tried to compare the two makes me wonder if you’re just a FOTM player who swapped over to Mesmer when he heard they were nearly unkillable.
Of course you don’t believe the build was OP rofl.
Also Anet had every right and business making such a determination. You’re in THEIR house not the other way around. If they see something as a problem it is completely within their right to change it and how that makes you feel couldn’t possibly be less relevant.
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What “drastic decline in the meta” that’s ridiculous. You and ANET need to realize that pro leagues on twitch don’t represent what really happens in the vast majority of games.
Always cracks me up when some random comes along acting like everyone else is ignorant. They don’t need to realize anything. You’re an idiot if you think Anet hasn’t got a better look at the big picture than you do. You are completely blinded by your bias and the weapons grade salt flowing from your eyes.
So once again the defense is that because other builds have been OP in the past it was okay for mesmer to be broken now? Do you honestly not see of completely ridiculous that is? You can’t even logically defend it so you are taking the childish approach and just crying because they wouldn’t let you stay OP for the rest of the season. Pathetic…
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Actually Sunshine, you’re dead wrong. I’m playing on my alt.. which wasn’t a chronobunker. If you think it’s so OP I suggest you learn to play. In addition, you’d do well not to speak without knowledge. Your comment is a kneejerk reaction and meaningless and inaccurate.
What? Rofl….
If you don’t play bunker then what is your problem? Carried by someone who did?
Tempest bunker needs looked at as well. However, lets not pretend like they are anywhere near the absurd level mesmer were. I expect to see more of them in the coming days and they DO need toned down. I don’t know where this mentality comes from that just because other classes are also unbalanced that mesmers should be left alone. They went for the most glaring problems first…mesmer and rev. They didn’t say “Okay we are happy now!” and leave it at that. They said they have a large balance patch coming out at the end of Jan. The goal here is not to micro manage balance every few days. That game never ends.
3v1 should only be happening when talking about skill. Skilled players can go 2v1 and 3v1 without it being a problem with build. As of yesterday though a total scrub mesmer could appear “good” because it was a chore to bring him down. No one is trying to nerf skill here. If you go 3v1 and live it should be because you’re awesome and not because your build lets you pretend.
The people defending the pre-nerf bunker Chrono are either genuinely or willfully ignorant. It’s not like bunker Chrono has been nerfed to the ground.
Trying to explain that to them is like pulling teeth. Still a very strong build. Will likely still be used even at the pro level.
I agree with tempest as well. It doesn’t need a hammer to the head. Shaving is a good way to put it.
I honestly couldn’t possible care less about PvE. Welcome to MMOs where sometimes builds suffer in one area to address a concern in another? Don’t like it? Play a different genre.
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Tempest needs looked at as well. It isn’t about fixing all of the metas problems at once though. They are pretty clear about that. They aren’t going to micro manage the balance mid season. If something is glaringly wrong (like condi and mesmers were) they will address it.
Tempest is on borrowed time I imagine. They are either facing some nerfs as well within the next month, or other professions will be changed to deal with bunker builds better. Either way I haven’t seen anything bad here and the two classes I play most are mesmer and rev lol. The greater good is the greater good.
Yeah they should just leave us broken instead right? You’re clearly one of the guys who enjoyed the OP state. Glad they listened to reason instead of the entitled.
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The sad thing is you’d think this was 1945 in the PvP forum and VE Day as if some epic fight between good and the evil mesmer had been won. Some are still saying it’s not enough.
Honestly you can attribute some of that to the “it’s fine L2P” crowd. It doesn’t matter how broken a class clearly is someone will try to defend it in its broken state. Telling people that they “just don’t know how to deal with chrono..” etc. It causes resentment when people try to point out real problems and its met with nothing but tired internet one liners. Plenty of mesmers were saying that the build was broken in its current state but we certainly had plenty who wanted to ride that train as long as they could. Even if it was doing harm.
It isn’t our fault the build was overtuned, but some of the more mouthy among us could of just owned up to it and talked about solutions instead of the “L2P!” crap. Let the other professions gloat imo. To some degree they earned it.
Its what every other class does when they have builds that strong and guess what, they don’t get nerfed.
Yeah tell that to warrior and thief players. Tell that to condi revs who also just took a hit. Tell that to the tempests who are now cowering in a corner somewhere hoping Anet forgets they exist.
I’m just saying if you ever wonder why people take some sort of sick pleasure in watching a class get knocked down a peg or two this is why. There is no justification for being OP, and when people try to defend it they ask for the shaming they get when the balance of power inevitably shifts. At the end of Jan when the real “balance” patch goes in things might be drastically different. Thief might start stomping us into the floor with ease. Think they will care after the bunker mesmer nonsense? Doubtful.
There are too many fail safe abilities in the game and I’m relatively sure they’re there to keep the average player from getting frustrated with the game.
Which is why they need to exist. MMOs don’t run on the pro players. Tank the average player population and the game folds. Even as a person who enjoys complex pvp I support their choices on this. I’d rather have what I view as a imperfect system that encourages lots of people to play. Then a complex 100% reaction based system that lets me play with the same 20 people that feel the same way.
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There is no justification for it so just stop. Needing 3 people to realistically bring one person down is NOT healthy for small team pvp. If matches were 10-15 people then fine but when talking about 5v5 needing 3 to kill 1 is stupid, and broken. Period.
There is a reason why in the current meta the pro teams are saying that the first to cap wins. A game being decided in the first 10 seconds is not something anyone should be trying to encourage. Enough with the shortsighted views on balance. It isn’t all about making sure mesmers feel all powerful and screw the rest of the professions. This bunker garbage needs to be addressed. Now that mesmers and condi rev have been toned down a bit I imagine tempest is next. A healthy game means accepting that sometimes you have to take a hit for the good of all.
The sad thing is you’d think this was 1945 in the PvP forum and VE Day as if some epic fight between good and the evil mesmer had been won. Some are still saying it’s not enough.
Honestly you can attribute some of that to the “it’s fine L2P” crowd. It doesn’t matter how broken a class clearly is someone will try to defend it in its broken state. Telling people that they “just don’t know how to deal with chrono..” etc. It causes resentment when people try to point out real problems and its met with nothing but tired internet one liners. Plenty of mesmers were saying that the build was broken in its current state but we certainly had plenty who wanted to ride that train as long as they could. Even if it was doing harm.
It isn’t our fault the build was overtuned, but some of the more mouthy among us could of just owned up to it and talked about solutions instead of the “L2P!” crap. Let the other professions gloat imo. To some degree they earned it.
Some of you have some truly horrifying reading comprehension skills…
It isn’t a perfect system. Usually though if you have been down voted enough to get your post hidden you are likely just off base somehow or presenting your opinion in some aggressive/childish way. You can get down votes and still have your post shown. If you are sitting at -62 votes though then you are clearly trying to preach to the wrong audience. In that case you SHOULD be silenced because the only thing running your mouth will accomplish is derailing conversation.
Voicing your opinion is great. Feeling you have the right to keep ramming it down peoples throats when you are clearly in the wrong neighborhood though is counter productive, bordering on trolling. Moving on is something people have a hard time doing on the internet. Which is why official forums can be so toxic.
I also prefer the Reddit forums. They are far more informative and much less prone to being inundated by whiny, self-entitled prats.
I think it all comes down to consequences. There is no down side to acting like a moron here. People can act as entitled and bratty as they want and nothing happens. On Reddit if you try that crap your post might get down voted into oblivion. Get enough down votes and your post gets hidden away. Such a simple system but it really does a good job of keeping people from going off the rails.
Official forums seem to attract too many people who think everything they write is internet gold. Anet had better scramble to respond to every stupid question they ask etc. It’s obnoxious. I like reading here for some quick opinions on builds and things but for the most part I have to ignore a dozen threads before finding a decent one.
Think I’d rather them post over on Reddit actually. Official forums suck most of the time. I can actually talk to a dev without having a dozen idiots interrupt screaming about their needs and demanding answers.
Couldn’t agree more. As a DH I lay my traps and go to sleep. Wake up to stomp. The end. There is zero skill involved. We are sick of a few classes now who seem to be able to do everything and it’s completely unbalanced. Meanwhile thieves and warriors may as well not bother.
Maybe in low tier because DH traps don’t kill kitten in like ruby and up
Yeah, I haven’t died to a DH trap in quite a while now. It is a good spec for killing people who don’t know any better. Put my DH on a shelf because of that. Soon as you meet competent players your traps do practically nothing.
Profession/build viability is one of the main contributing factors. GW2 is PAINFULLY unbalanced and people just rush from FOTM build to FOTM build to try and compensate. It’s obnoxious and very off putting honestly. People get so obsessive over which builds are “best” that professions like thief and warrior actually get bullied since they don’t fit the mold.
Don’t want to have to play tempest in order to enjoy my ele in pvp. Don’t want to play viper rev, or bunker mesmer either. Until they get it together and make more builds/professions viable then a lot of people will just roll their eyes at pvp.
Gaming the system isn’t really what I was talking about though. If a diamond play queues solo will it pair him with and against ambers? Not talking about legendary players grouping with ambers to get easier matches.
The point being that IF you’re diamond you will more times then not be playing against equalish rank right? If that is how it is suppose to work at least then losing rank is a must. Before you get a player who has his friends carry him to high ranks where he isn’t capable of playing on his own.
Isn’t the basic idea of the system to help you find your “sweet spot” though? I mean pvp isn’t all about getting the wings and/or getting a rank. Most people pvp because they enjoy pvp and playing in a tier that you’re just not good enough for seems a bit counter productive to having a good time heh.
Edit: Forgive my ignorance on how the system works though since I don’t bother with ranked for the most part. I assume that amber players who queue get paired against other ambers etc. You don’t have games with a full diamond team vs full amber correct? So the idea being that if you’re diamond and queue you will get games against similar ranked players.
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Well being so new the basics is what I need so I really appreciate that. Advanced game play is something that you probably can’t teach me and only comes with time/experience. I have no illusions of making vids like yours by next weekend! :p
Thanks for the write up. It points me in the right direction for learning the style. Even as bad as I am at it I have found it far more satisfying then the other professions I have toyed around with.
Do you guys actually like this “bunker” gameplay? Sounds like the pro players can’t stand it, but do it because they have no choice. Really hoping they gut some of these builds. The bunker/condi match ups were ridiculously boring to watch.
Smite.
It is a 3rd person MOBA. Played a TON of DOTA2 and LoL but I find Smite is just far more appealing/satisfying. Mainly because I prefer 3rd person gameplay now as well since playing so many MMOs. Great fun.
Excellent work man. Only been playing GW2 for about a week so I’m as new as it gets to ele. I’m awful on D/D but vids like this give me encouragement that with practice the play style can be deadly.
I can kind of see what you’re doing in the vid (fast paced!) but would you mind writing a bit about certain things you do? Like what combos you use for damage. My biggest issue is that the number of abilities is a bit over whelming and sometimes I find myself just spamming lightning 1 /facepalm.
That is a repulsive level of entitlement.
Keep it as it is Anet.
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