Guild Wars 2

moolie.5927:

I can’t believe the T2 thread for this week’s matchup is at 1k replies.

T2 is competitive and interesting. T1 isn’t.

Just though I would mention that since they reset the scores this week, it is possible JQ could go to tier2or3 next week xD

btw, Did the GW2v1-29-2013 patch have WvW related updates?

Ok, so the the beginning of the beginning is done. What does everyone think of the match up so far? IMO SOR didn’t come out fighting fierce, but they a lot more organised. Zombiegate just kept throwing corpses at us :O

Also. cough 2v1 cough

xD

Jayne.9251:

I say this completely selfishly, but I kind of hope SBI comes in third — only to keep them with us for at least another week. The matchups this week have reinvigorated us all — SoR, TC and SBI. It’s been a ton of fun.

As an SoS player, you can keep SBI. I am having a lot of fun crushing BG.

Just some questions. Did blackgate use nonsurvival stacks in T2? Did they ever backstab a SoR v TC fight? Did they QQ about 2v1 and coverage?

Blackgate seems to be a different beast in T1. We call them turtlegate.

FWIW, Blackgate put up quite a fight in the first 2 days, but in my opinion SBI is more skillful and experienced.

Liquid.9672:

No servers do an intentional 2v1. It just doesn’t happen. Any perception of it is probably just SoS and JQ wanting to show the new kid what’s up. Getting hit more often than by the 2 other servers can and will always happen. I play on BG, and I say deal with it.

It has does happen, but when it does happen one side gets wiped off EB (BL is a different matter).

BG seems to be naive, I am not trying to insult, and i hope they adapt to tier1. I see this thread of BG-QQ about 2v1, but when i left EB about an hour ago there were at least 5 hole in the outer wall of SMC (fully upgrade btw) with BG and JQ taking turns trying to push through (JQ was definitely more of a threat being much more persistent). But that is what SoS expects when we take SMC, nothing less.

It would be better for BG to try and work the game and maneuver a 2v1 beatdown on JQ. This is something SoS commanders on EB are very good at and make it known to everyone else what and when they can attack.

It would be a shame to lose BG because so far you have put up more of a fight than SBI.

Caedus.6571:

If they remove badges, what will I use to buy my lovely ballistas?

karma.

CHIPS.6018:

It isn’t “disincentives”. It is just that dungeon runs in pve pays A LOT more than wvwing. That’s why a great majority of players stays in pve, for more rewards. Also when you run dungeons you gain access to armour and weapon skins, which doesn’t require that much dungeon rewards relatively. That WvW armor set requires so many badges that most people just writes it off. This is an imbalance in the incentives since killing humans is harder than killing mobs.

and it is ugly. and it has stats that can be much easier acquired (eg, karma armour in cursed shore)

Raztlin.7964:

I have seen some really “timely” practices by SoS tonight and I am sure certain leader’s know what I mean. Great Seige placement and zerg ready at the door to watergate. I mean how did you get them cata’s turned 180 degrees without knowing we was coming.
Have a great day!

guild member – “Hey guise, i just saw 8 unprotected JQ golems going to garr. lets kill them lol”

rest of guild – “ok”.

Setch.2398:

Upgrades to towers and camps serve 1 primary purpose, and that is time delay. The better upgraded they are, the more time it gives your team to respond to and try and save. If you are on a low pop server or a server that doesn’t try and save camps or towers, then I can see what you are saying. Actually everything you say seems like maybe you are on a low pop server.. are you?

The team benefits are irrelevant to the neutral individual. You could argue the neutral individual wants the tower to fall so that it can be reclaimed for another event bonus. I mention a “neutral individual” because this leads you to ask: “why should I bother with this”?

And I was on a low pop server (HOD) until I joined SoS because being on a low pop server sucks.

inbetween.5623:

How is removing the gold costs for keep upgrades and replacing it with karma an improvement? There is a big incentive for upgrades. It makes the keeps easier to defend. Karma has value too if you had not realised. Why should i feel the need to waste my karma on the keep? I’d much rather spend gold.
The upgrades arent necessary, those who have the money and feel the need for the upgrades already do so.

I think you are misunderstanding my point of view. My point of view are the incentives for an individual to participate in WvW. The question i am interested in is “Why would anyone even bother even logging in WvW in the first place”. Unless ANET adjusts the incentives of WvW, there will be no long term for WvW. It is bad enough that not many people bother spending on upgrades to help the team, what is worse is when there is nobody on your team.

inbetween.5623:

If anything the system should be a collective pool, where each person has the option of committing small sums of gold to the total upgrade.

A good idea although it would probably require a significant new system. As it currently is on SoS, I know one commander was apparently temporarily banned because people sent gold to him – i.e. temp ban for gold buying (his name starts with a P and is found on EB and is infamous – yes I know the name).

inbetween.5623:

I have no issue with spending karma but what you suggested it is not an improvement on the current system because it then requires people to exclusively have karma to purchase keep upgrades.

There is still a supply requirement for upgrades.

inbetween.5623:

You honestly shouldnt be WvWing to profit, thats your issue. The reward is the enjoyment, if you dont enjoy it, you simply dont do it.

I do agree there should be more incentives in terms of rewards, more exchangeable goods for the badges. But youre mistaken about there being too many disincentives. Just not enough incentives.

I do not enjoy conquering empty servers, so I do not participate when that happens. Neither does anyone else. There needs to be a real incentives the game eco-system to keep people battling past the negatives (eg, being outnumbered). If there aren’t adequate incentives, people will move on to something else. I am not saying remove all disincentives. I merely want to change the balance so that there are more incentives and less unnecessary disincentives.

-Upgrades to towers and keep are an unnecessary financial drain

There is no incentive for anyone to pay in gold the upgrading cost of towers and camps. FWIW I do not count people’s own perceived benefits from a sense of generosity and team-spirit (illusionary benefits). I am surprised that any ever pays these costs. I can understand that ANET probably wants WvW to be in a state of permanent transience; everything your team owns is limited to where your team has presence. But then why bother with towers either? It is because they add strategic depth to the game.

Proposal – remove the gold cost, massively increase the karma cost.

-Badge drops punish WvW players

Badges are the worst drops in WvW because they cannot be sold. So I would rather receive spikes and other trash that I can sell so I can buy stuff I actually want with gold. As it currently is, when a PVE killings something, a PVE player will always* receive items from their drops which are of some gold value. When a WvW player kills something, they may receive and item from their drop has no gold value at all and have almost no value/use beyond that. Badge drops punish WvW players.

Badges have very little value because are a very poor secondary currency. Sure people going for legendries are required collect 500, but beyond that there is a very poor incentive to use the badges. The drop rate is very low, which is understandable because we can’t have people acquiring a part of their legendary too easily (unless they are smart enough to get a portal to the EB JP everyday lol). Coupled with this is the excessive amount needed for siege equipment. The badges can’t even supplement the amount of siege equipment that you would typically use. Btw, has anyone ever seen any with a set of the badge acquired armour.. ever?

Proposal – assign a redeemable karma value to badges.

-armour repair costs are an excessive money sink

Armour repair costs is a design choice which acts as a money sink which combats inflation. I get that. But poor rewards from WvW mean that if you intend to participate in WvW, you will probably only break even. This is very demoralising. For most people (including myself), my presence in WvW to help my “team” is not enough of a reward.

Proposal – increase event rewards for towers and keeps, but not for camps.

Discuss. Additional proposals are welcome.

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Badges “drop” and the effect of magic find (MF) is on “drops”, so…. yes?

If you are are going for the 500 badges, just do the BL and EB jumping puzzle every day. That is something like 15 badges. As for farming badges by killing players, heh, no thanks.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA
According to this website ^ , SoS just managed to get the crown back.

Good show JQ, you had your fun, but my armour scheme is green. It is time to up our games and show BG the difference between tier 1 and 2

Haha, sorry, but this thread is so funny to me.

EB is trying to wins this, and credit to them for trying. But seriously? This thread is EB saying how they will fight dirty to get to the next tier against enemy who put up almost no fight. The population of HOD (and ET) was devastated and has been dropping a tier every week ever since. “Destroy the morale of HOD and DB”, hahahaha. Sorry, but you are at least a month too late EB.

I saw that when JQ realised how HOD suddenly became, JQ stopped chasing small groups of HOD and let them cap camps so that they could take them back for karma/gold.

If you try playing only for wins absolute wins against a bigger server it will be EB instead who gives up fighting. Don’t sacrifice your ethics to get wins, you will not reach the top with that mentality. You need to develop a warriors mentality of fighting honourably to earn the respect you need to develop in PvP. I say this with the best of intentions. I have seen enemy zergs flee at the sight on an equally matched HOD zerg. Only because the enemy knew that HOD (used) to have the reinforcements and fighting spirit to overwhelm and that they should instead take defensive positions and try to hold on to what they can (not a winning strategy, 2nd place maybe).

<- long time HOD player.

1. ANET hates non-americans. Australians & Asians miss out due to 1am – 6am events.

1. Be here at X:XX event – really? do you have a pay incentive to reboot overloaded/crashed servers?

Ok, I will just say it again.

ANET hates people who are not Americans. Australians & Asians do not hate you ANET. So why punish us with events at 1am -6am?