Guild Wars 2

Rubberband can be avoid by going out of the spawn before the game starts ( and it only happens @ private arena).

THen , fo the lag issue , i ve find on my side that since i subscribed to optical fiber , i had way less problems.I still have some server spike lags or some disconnect , but its very unusual when it was daily when i had my classic dsl net.

Purple smokers are ready to grind the cash prizes !

There are again some builds/Proffs that have the upper hand or at least decent chance of winning vs ele.
But , really why the uck every mongoloid is asking for a nerf that would not even be justified in a Deathmatch plot , when we are playing conquest , and the ways to counter the elem exists , its called Dps class + rotations.

Then if you cant find a mesmer that is destroying every other class , ask Drazeh , he will show you that the outcome of the match up are very different of what you think

ppl says ranger is C becuz they have no idea of what is working atm or how to play it.THey want to stick to their old build which is getting countered/known so much that nobody loose to it.

Frenk.5917:

I agree, even though I’d like more teams to get involved in the PVP scenario. Yesterday there was ESL, and it was a blast since there were BooN, TCG, 55hp and MiM, but including them there were only 7 teams. Not even a full bracket.

Most teams/players cant play ESL every week for irl issues i guess.

Can i answer to this poll even if i dont have any pve knowledge ?

Abjured is for sure a serious team that none should underestimate.It’s jsut you can’t say they are better or tcg are better.In fact the team that will think and manage to counter the strat/comp of the other team will just win.
They got 2 different grp comp , with their strenght and their weakness.But at last , its always the same , the ones that make the les mistakes and take advantage of other’s will just win.

It’s again and again a big L2p conquest issue .You could reduce stats of celestial , nerf strenght runes , might stacking n stuff , bad players will always be complaining about what they dont understand → ask for a nerf.(might stacking o nwarrioir is way more easier than with ele , combos and usage of skills as well)
By this time , tons fo new builds are being “discovered” and/or mastered by the good players , and some of them are way more dangerous than a Cele ele.But , guess what , so much easier to complain instead of correcting your gameplay and think around counterplays.

Ele in good shape , but not op ! ( cuz it can be countered by many ways)

Bon je me doute bien que tu ne pensais pas a tte les teams FR mais actuellement il ya qd mm une team full FR qui tourne pas mal :o

Sinon , je pense que la meilleure solution serait de créer ta propre team avec des joueurs de ta fl ,et p-e baisser un peu tes éxigences sachant que la plus part des tops joueurs sont déjà en team , et qu’il est tjrs possible de trouver des gens peu connus qui ont un gros potentiel.
Après c’est sur , il faut avoir une minimum de connaissance , mais le team play et les rotations ca se travaille et le travail porte tjrs ses fruits !

A clever mesmer thief comp will one shot the guy that invades , then you only have to play with a guardian that can last a 1vs2/2vs3 vs class that doesnt have so much burst (beside caed).

Like Ybob said , you cant force your opponents to play on 3 points if they decided to play 2

^This
the axe + dagger/sb ranger build with the new elite is very strong vs any tanky class.The amount of bleed you apply is insane , i dont even talk about immob/poison which kittens up ele hard.

MiM players are always ok to scrim or do some 1N1 , i dont know them a lot beside some players but they are not arrogant ppl n stuff and they want to improove /make grow the pvp community .

I agree with you Elitist , but you have to realize that playing a tanky comp and splitting + fight on the 3 nodes requires lot of rotation skills ( considering your grp comp lack of high mobility ), and it requires lot of 3vs3 , 2vs2 and 1vs1 skills as well considering you will not see big team fight happenning a lot( cuz playing on 3 nodes).
So , if you want to split like this , You have to be able to win all this little fights or you will just loose all your nodes 1 by 1 and getting snowballed 500 to 50.

I was casting the NA tournament yesterday (french stream) and it was obvious that na teams had some rotations issues and couldnt keep a double cap in most games :/

SO much builds/class can kill a cele ele 1N1. And Team conquest is not only balanced over 1N1 , its balanced over counterplay.

Cant beat a Cele ele 1N1 on a point ? moove somewhere else , be effective where you can and send someone that can defeat them if you have to kill him ( an ele wont be able to survive to a 2vs1 if you play it properly , so he disengage if he is smart , or get rekt)

So ill repeat my self again , there are some meta builds that have the upper hand 1N1 vs an ele , just try to think by yourself , master your class and the overall gameplay then you’ll see how ele is being countered by top teams (at least @eu)

Frenk.5917:

By your same logic would you assume that condi ranger has a place in the meta only because ROM played it on the EU ToG?

The build rom played for eu ToG is viable.It has a decent tanking and lot of condis that can take down a bunker if played correctly.He can be usefull in a team fight as well becuz the bleeding is kitten any mesmer or thief if they are focused , but i think his main job is to hold close.

I dont like being with bad ele that thinks he can play whatever he wants and be effective in high lvl team q.
Sorry to say that , but having an ele as main dps is not a good idea since other class can do this better.So you have to assume the role of point defender that can eventually roam if needed.

Then saying you cant recognize a bad and a good cele ele just show how ignorant you are , becuz its all about this little things that makes a hudge difference on the end.(gameplay and rotations)

But i have to admit that after watching NA team comps , they prefer to play tanky set up and there is like none playing theif mesmer effectivly ( as far as i saw).You can be bored of this meta , but on eu we figured out how to kill all this bunkers…

Ppl are crying @ soloq or hotjoin as usual , but i think you have to realize that this games mode cant be compétitive and exists to make you wait while your full team roster is online and you can go team Q.Lot of ppl are whining about soloQ not being balanced , maps n stuff , but wake up guys , a soloQ in a game that needs roations and good communciation is a big issue and it wont ever be the same than in team q
Tbh , i dont know how you could play 2 years in spvp without having or trying to play with 4 others guys and construct smthing .After practicing your team play and your own gameplay , you can try to reach the top and enjoy good games vs top teams ( becuz loosing or winning 500-50 is not fun) .
I think most ppl that left the game due to no pvp improovements had lot of things to work on and were far away to master the game , but if they dont have fun anymore in the game , why would you force them to play ?

AGGabriel.9230:

24 skilss to doge almost 4 perma bons up runing from side to side using skills healing with each one and runing at 30% poping skills healing along the way and returning with all bons up and all health up and even surviving 3 vs 1 i belive the ele its rly the tank in this game with almost 100% survivability is this wath the devs want ? i pray one day they will be on the chopping block for some (all) balance

Dont blame elementalist because you are not able to kill a guy 3vs1 (lol) , or maybe you try to kill an elementalist with a bunker guard ?
You would be suprised to see all the class that beat Celestial ele in 1N1 ( assuming the 2 players a equals @ skills) , just giving a few : Mesmer , Condi ranger ( with appropriate build) , Enginer ( even without crate they are scary) , a good necro will probably win a healign signet ele , good eviscerate war and some more !

So its alawyas the same thing , first step is to master your class , then play the class that you cant beat to figure out how it works , then find the best way to counter/kill it.Elementalists are weak to some kind of conditions that i wont list here , and can be 1vs2 pretty fast if the opponents knwo what they are doing ( and not random dpsing without having any plans )

Ele elites are fine even if they are not as good as you wish.

-FGS is doing the job for mobility/dodging ( hlps tu to decap/keep ur point cap/rotations)
-Tornado give you extra stab vs decap engin for exemple , gives u more opportunity to cap/decap a point
-Can be usefull in 1N1 vs some classes , beside u have to activate the effect of your pet , it takes load of time to activate.Probably the wordt elite atm since you dont even need it to win your 1N1 and it dies fast in a team fast.

the main problem with skyhammer is ppl only rely on their KD/KB/pull etc to kill ppl.IT shuldnt be that automatic and it doesnt hlp to improove on their class since they only have to break a window press 1 key and not use the skill when the guy is dodgin/Stab , which is easy as hell.

Sagat.3285:

PvP is not PvP it’s conquest.

Conquest mode has pvp inside and many others things to care (rotations,grp comp that is not only suited to kill ppl→ mobilityand many more) , which is way more enjoyable than a tdm .

And dont think adding a TDM mode will change smthing , the best player in conquest will be the best TDM players aswell

Dredd Spirit Caller.4082:

ranger with hammer??
now i want mace on engy to
and pistol on ele

I think he was asking to nerf power rangers holding the canon on craphammer :o)

I want a rifle for my ele , so i can play counter strike with friends aka no scope rifle 1N1 wars.(possibility to grow esport,support me by donate some millions )

THe burning on mesmer is op , and there are so many ways to apply it that even with dispell and good support on the mesmer from the other team , he should have 1 condition dpsing him at any momment.And ele healing a mesmer means ele is busy at healing + mesmer getting safe to get healed = less pressure on you.
On the other hand the on of your team getting focused can play safer , for exemple more on you side, will force mesmer/thief to overextend to get him , and give you an opportunity to kill them (assuming u were not afk during the fight and your enemis used some cds).

Even a moa stealth burst can be countered by some hard rez if it succeed and you can still evade/block /whatever .

Then you cant say that thief/mesmer/Dps guard is the only counter to mesmer , fr exemple ele is countering a mesmer in a team fight (condi+direct dmge) but you still ca nget one shoted by a good assist of the thief/mesmer while pressuring them.SO i think its even , you have ways to take them down while they can take you down as well.

if you try to kill a celestial ele with a soldier user class or smthing that is not full dps/condi , ofc it will take time.

In fact there are lot of tips to take down eles in a quick 2vs1 assist , make him switch to water , burst after he used his attenument and gg

nb : Chill/Root/Poison/daze or stun hlps a lot as well.

theifs and mesmer are weak to any conditions dmge and ofc direct dmge , i have to admit that they have tools to evade/disengage but they dont have infinite ones.Force the mesmer to use 1 or 2 of his defensive skills ( f4 and blink for exemple) then you know that at any momment the meser can be killed with a root/Stun and your team “jumping” on him.A thief dont really need to be focused down so much becuz he will suffer from the collateral dmge if he is defending his mesmer fella and wont be able to deal so much damage alone ( considering ur pressuring the mesmer so he cant dps a lot).

So the counter is real , its called good/smart team play , and if the group comp you are playing atm doesnt allow you to beat this , you should try to adapt and change when you face meser/thiefs team.

Well if the guy cant focus down a mesmer or a thief in a team fight , i think its not only about Drazeh being good at the game , but more like some problems in the other team dps assist :o

-You are really funny since we beat most team with other team comp as well , we even played the same grp comp than asdf ( war , thief , 2x ele , bunk guard) and still won with even more point than usual.
-We even played with a ranger instead of 2 x ele.
-Then , we re not invicible becuz we lost to Boon ,then TCG ,who are doing really well vs us and giving us a lot of fun + will to improve our gameplay.

Everyone can play our group comp , so why are we one of the few that can use it efficiently ? Well , the answer is really easy to get , most of our players are practicing the game A LOT , we play lot of 1N1 , 2VS2 ,3Vs3 with différent comp that we find in tournaments =scrims.When we find smthing that is dangereous for us , we try to figure out what is going wrong and to correct it.

In fact i could give you ton of tips to take down our Team but after all it would just be a L2P issue.

SmK.Tapss

imo game balance is the best we had since the begining , at least for conquest mode.You can play a bunker set up and still being beaten by a dps team comp ( like thief /mesmer).

ANd pls dont talk @soloQ balance when most of the players are not mastering their build/class and loose 1n1,2N2 or bigger fight that they should win if played correctly.
Then ppl dont even read map chat most of the time and do bad rotation cuz conquest mode needs communication to be played effectivly , and you can’t have a good one on soloQ.

well blame your team if they are not enough smart to reroll when you have 3 thiefs.If you cant play more than 1 class , you should try to learn another one asap just for this and cuz of the meta/gamebalance that is mooving.
Tbh multiclass player are usually better players than mono class users , becuz they know the mechanics of what they are fighting ( assuming they already played this build) , and it hlps a lot to take someone down in a tf or 1N1.

i know it wont work 3 out 4 attempts , but you should really try to communicate with the team on start by writting on team chat.
Tell what build ou play if its not obv , say where you go and the role u want to assume ( close , Close holder)
1 other very important thing @ soloq is : watching mini map a lot and try to anticipate where they are going to need hlp , which is not easy because lot of ppl loose 1N1 that they should not or team fight in their favor.

But the best advice has already been given , “at the end of the day you cna only rely on yourself”.SO dont take it too seriously and be aware that team Q is mych more interesting to play → make a team :p

Tapss

I ve noticed this as well , and the stats are missing @ your character panel.I guess we will have to test dmge value ourself to be sure :s

Tapss

I ve been tons of time in a ladder game where some ASP user was in , and never seen someone streaming or uploading the vods.(well in fact once they did it )
The main issue with ASP users is that msot of them cant really strteam games , due to bad inet , or cant upload a lot of vods for same reasons .
Tbh casting a ladder match on the fly isnt that hard , and im sure many ppl would like to see it .

OP is a genious , when you read this you get some hope that ALL IS NOT VAIN.

Nice to see this kind of post when 3/4 of 1st page is only whine threads (even if the whines are legit)

Phantaram.1265:

“The build I would love to play”

Omg my heart, it hurts!

I remember playing this comp nearly undefeated for a month and then the necro patch hit and all of our dreams were shattered.

I think this thread should be stickied though.

Your team comp was very good for sure and you won ALL teams before the june necro patch.

But what you probably forget is Xeph getting one shoted by Mogow on most fight engage.Well anything in Car Crash comp could kill your mesmer , they had nec , s/D thief and valk arcana ele
Then u were outnumbered , and loose the fight.
Hopefully teldo was here to win some 2vs1 :o)

Some communication from anet wuld hlp , but as usual they “are working on it” .Btw when does the beta of gw2 end?

Tbh u should not compare anything with s d thief which is one of the issues of this game. I played thief a lot and this weap set /build is just way too permissive.it could be compared to a bunker build for sure. The fact is dp thief can kill hambow warriors , but it doesnt mean that warris are fine. Warris can do so much things at the same time like holding a point , being effective 1n1 ,great for team fights , swiftness that hlp to roam if u have to , and so many other things…. You got low risks for high reward , and thats not like the game shuld be on any class.i assume its not the only issue of this game , but its one of the most important atm

silentnight warrior.2714:

Deimos you just need to realise one thing.

They probably have more matches with their main class and when their class was represented in top tier class they never create a topic to nerf their class.

Welcome to GW2 forums.

Nice to read this , because it probably applies to you and most warrioirs posting here.

You dont need to have 10K game as warrior to see the imbalance of this class.Every decent player which have acheived top 100 team Q on europe know this.
I ve been playing at competitive lvl since February/March 2013 , and ppl like Empathetic Fighter are not clueless about game state.They are very experienced players and they play more than 1 class , which gives them a good overview of the current meta imbalances.
It would be really nice if you could answer to Silferas statements by having valid arguments , and not saying every time that we want to see warriors nerfed becuz we are unable to kill them considering how bad players we are.
Should i remind you that every top players @tpvp thinks there is a problem with warrioirs , all comeptitive team left this game.

Its fun to see that half of request are for skins/reward and pve content in pvp.All we want as tpvp players , is to get an unjoyable game to play , with some efforts toward class balance , not a cultural skin and new design of heart of the mist….

Guess what , Deimos is playing warrior i guess. For him everything is fine until he can faceroll his keyboard and win everything.

Silferas.3841:

It saddens me how blind the warrior community appears to be to the real state of their class.

They say: if you nerf our sustain, we won’t be able to hold/contest points!
But I wonder: Well, which other berserker amulet (including the other heavy class) glass cannon build holds/contests a point alone? None (even if you made a guardian build that could hold a point with zerker amulet he couldn’t contest one).

They say: warrior is in a good place and everybody else is just envious because they are viable now!
But I wonder: does viable mean covering more of the pvp population than (almost) any other two classes combined? Or does viable mean having one build that can do everything that other classes have to specifically spec into on it’s own?

They say: It’s ok for warriors to be stronger than other classes, because they are heavies!
But I wonder: does your brain function properly? Are you not ashamed to post something like that publicly? Do you really believe that, and if you do, do you think that a game that works like that will last?

They say: this game is not balanced around 1v1, because it’s a team game!
But I wonder: does team game mean the same as teamfight game to you? 1v1 matchups are just as important as teamfight capabilities.

Guys, I know being a master class that stands above all else feels good, but wake up. It’s hurting the game. Everybody who doesn’t play a warrior hates warriors at this point. Nobody is asking to make warriors not viable again, but they should be the same as everybody else. If they go glass cannon, they should be squishy. If they go bunker, they should be survivable. If they go CC, they should do less damage.

i agree with most things you said , too bad Warriors cant understand this…But i guess after dominating the hl pvp scene and getting into top 50 from nowhere just cause they were playing a broken build/class didnt hlp to be honnest towards themself

FeelsAlright.5860:

Why doesn’t endure pain prevent point capture? “protect me” shout on ranger does. Invuln on guardian does. Stealth does. Stupid.

It’s very easy to get , warriors are over the top.

Then my 2 cents about condi dmge :

Do you think condition domage is ok ? i mean why every Power build has to get 2/3 stats (prec/pow/crit dmge)to be effective + armor/toughness lowering the dmge.When condi builds only need 1 stats to be effective ( condi dmge) .Condi duration is not even a problem considering you can reapply condis really fast at any momments.
Then you have nthing that lower the condi dmge like armor/tough does , you should add some kind of condi resists .
This issue with conditions is responsible of many overpowered build that could be considered as bunker just because they can still ahve very nice tough/healing/hp while having decent condi dmge.
According to most pvp players , bunkers are not enjoyable to fight/play at all.

Conditions are really broken , and from the very first day.

Amitabh Bachan.4385:

No. This would allow people to do equivalent damage of power specs with 2 stats, condition damage and condition duration. And condi duration is not even that important when you can mindlessly reapply conditions.

Power specs require power prec crit damage. The imbalance is obvious to see.

This.

And too bad ppl cant even think about this , plus condi dmge doesnt get lowered by anything , when power specs will be lowered by enemy armor/toughness.

So just target him by clicking on his name top left corner box.
If it doesnt work thanks anet for providing us Esports spvp mode.

i guess you can target the guy from your team in the party box , or just target him on the screen.
Not sure if this working

Demonts.4593:

eles arent useless… bad eles are however

Your statement just reveal how ignorant you are.
At top team Q lvl , eles get destroyed , no matter how good you play.(at least on eu)

I mean 99% of very good ele players left the game or just mooved to another class.

still a nice try .

Lux.7169:

I’ve been team Qing with Lys and Cmc both on ele recently and we’ve won a ton of matches. We actually all made it to top 100 tPvP in our last set if dual ele runs. IMO your issue is with the quality of players on ele.

Try to do same on EU when u are top 50/100 , you could face Cheese mode 4 times in a raw.
Just remind you that they used to run 2 xhambow soldier , s/D thief , spirit ranger ,bunk guard.

Then you could face Super with his 3 hambow team…

This happened pre 10 december patch with 2 ele in my team , and im far from being a n00b )

→ back to online poker

clint.5681:

It’s hard to be objective concerning warriors because there is so much hate towards the class and people tend to have their own reasons for wanting them nerfed and not all of it has to do with balance. That said it seemed like you were exaggerating how good some of warriors skills is. Every stance has a long cd where you are open to kick the warriors kitten , especially if they use them all at once. It is extremely easy to burst a warrior down since healing sig doesn’t protect against burst. Only warriors that are hard to kill is bunker banner regen warriors.

Stance cooldowns for warriors are ok imo.Compare them with stabs/imune dmge cds from ele and you will see that they are not that high.

The biggest issue with warriors is the fact healing signet is countering most autoattacks.It makes them very tanky until they face another full dps class who will die in 2/3 hit if they get caught by the warri.
Then it is countering low/med condi dmge , and as soon you got too much of them they are many ways to remoove/ignore them => berserker stance/lyssa/F1 mostly.

You still can get bursted for sure , but as every class , you can see the burst coming and dodge it.Then considering you use vigor on stance usage , dodging should not be that a big deal and even if you dont , you can still dodge what you have to.Plus warrioirs have a nice hp pool and decent armor , 1 shotting them wont happen.
→ what is protecting you from a burst is your armor , your hp pool , dodges , imune , blocks.
Not having a big heal on demand is just not a matter , becuz most class have a long cooldown to perform a dangerous burst , that you will tank if you eat it , and doge/imune if u are any good.

Their gameplay is just too permissive imo

Why half of posts are talking about mesmer ? isnt the OP talking about warrioirs issues ?

Most of reasonable ppl here are aware that the main issue with warrioir is the op healing signet=>Passive effect + high healing value.

just compare ElE to anything else if you want to open your eyes @ bad game state balance

You’ve been punished for playing that disgusting class that is ranger.Can’t see other issues…

Esports , ALL IS VAIN

Soeki.9643:

I’ve been playing tPvP exclusively with ele for the last week with a bunker build, I can usually hold the point against 2 guys (unless they are 2 bunker busters, then im going down fast), and in this one week if I lost a match it was not my fault, but my teams for killing people midfield, not caring about objectives.

So if you got issues with elementalists, it’s the player beside them, not the profession that makes your team lose. Elementalists can be decent, they just have a high skill cap and many don’t hit it.

ALL IS VAIN

SO you are saying we should all play a n00blet bunker build to be effective ? No really ,ty man…

Being able to hold 2 guy with a bunker build is far from being hard , and it doesnt make u a better player than a full dps ele who will be owned in 2 hits.
Bunker ele was like fotm in early 2013 , as all bunker builds , its easy to play , and very boring as well.When they took down the bunker build , all patch ele switched to smthing else , most of them switched to the next op/easy build.
And to be honnest , bunker enginer is way more effective for this kind of situation.

ALL IS VAIN

Tapss

I used to play Ele with icebow with current meta.You can own scrubs with it , but every decent team will dodge/imune the burst.And even if you succeed once , they wont get caught a second time.