Guild Wars 2

Zikory.6871:

Dynheart.5402:

Why does it seem like that every time BG is here, the threads turn into a 2V1 war? As a matter of fact…if you look at all the times they are here? That’s the only reasons why they lose! 2V1 (according to them)… And it’s pretty much the only time we hear that excuse on a regular basis.

Honestly? It’s getting comical at this point.

Why does it seem like every time BG is here, the thread tries to change subjects to something constructive and some one has to bring this up?

Honestly? Trying to stir up drama is getting comical at this point.

Nice spin. I was just stating the obvious. I read the thread, then posted.

After the disaster which was the first matches thread…yea, you get the point. The first and second time you guys were here, it was no different. I was just pointing out something that was, you know, obvious.

If I’m stirring up drama, then why all the BS? Why do T1 threads go from 300 pages to 700-1000 when BG is here? /shrug

Oh well. I’m out.

Why does it seem like that every time BG is here, the threads turn into a 2V1 war? As a matter of fact…if you look at all the times they are here? That’s the only reasons why they lose! 2V1 (according to them)… And it’s pretty much the only time we hear that excuse on a regular basis.

Honestly? It’s getting comical at this point.

Good game all around between all 3 servers.

I have some free time, as I logged off.

I remember last weeks match that some of the SoR and SoS forum warriors said JQ won just because of 24/7 coverage. They lose the weekend game because that when it’s not a coverage game, it’s skill against skill.

But now that we are winning during the weekend, it’s reverted back to the 24/7 argument.

Jade Quarry loses the weekend game = they have no skill, just numbers ("at least we won the week end game, that’s where coverage doesn’t matter. It’s about skill).

Jade Quarry about to win the weekend game = they have no skill, just numbers.

Make up your mind. That is all.

Mohmohchan.4120:

yep! Everyone is fighting hard, but my opinion says JQ needs to get the no.2 spot. Thats about it. From being the 3rd place as of today pump it up and put SoS to third.

We’ll be aiming for that number 1 spot. We always play for first. Ask SoS, we never give up. 2nd place? No thanks!

The mindset here is mind boggling, to say the least. We, JQ, have been competitive since Day 1. We took first here and there, but never really had the force to sustain it (numbers).

After the many the many internal BS that almost tore this server apart, the core of this server kept it competitive. All the while, every up and coming awesome server (Blackgate. IoJ. SBI, when they had new life/transfers. SoS…We won’t count HoD) predicted JQ’s doom; and pretty much said they aren’t a T1 server; they were the server to bump us out.

Here’s where things get confusing. Every server that comes up and beats us always say something like: “Good game! Awesome fights JQ! You’re getting better, but you need more coverage to win”.

We’ve heard this for countless weeks. I don’t think we really wanted to recruit, though, back in the day. As that was when JQ was going through a possible mass exodus (almost 2). We weathered those storms, and now we took that advice!

What we didn’t expect. We were a respected server, apparently. Many guilds from other servers wanted us for their perma home. So what turns into friendly advice, turns into needless bashing (get more coverage so you can compete better); just because JQ looks to be the stronger server now (not set in stone yet).

This makes people look like hypocrites in a round about way. It’s OK to recruit guilds for your server, just as long as you don’t go too far? We can’t control that (nobdy really can). But now, from the many posts here, it seems like recruiting shouldn’t have been an option anyway. JQ was fine as is! We were only losing by 20-30k a week. All we needed to do was tighten up our strategy. So the advice changes now?

It is what it is at this point. SBI guilds respected us. I’m sure JQ guilds would have went there if it was the other way around. As for the other guilds? They have their reasons. Maybe they enjoy the other guilds here (or the way we run things)? Bandwagoning isn’t always the the first and last thing people think when going to a server.

MagiKarp.8201:

Love the “SoS has 24hr coverage” we don’t, we just have dedicated guilds ready to pull all nighters, tonight MERC pulled a 4pm till 2am stretch of coverage, which burns us commanders out, I had some good opposition from BG in BG BL and when Amarathy took over he crushed the JQ out of SoS BL.

The coverage issue is about player dedication not simply having more players, I commanded for over 6 hours tonight to fill in the coverage hole and NA has woken up early in order to relieve us. SoS’s community is dedicated, our EU coverage is non-existent but we stretch both Oceania and NA to cover this lapse.

Organise better and communicate and you’ll be amazed of the coverage and ppt you can achieve.

SoS doesn’t have 24 hour coverage, but your prime times have more players than JQ/SBI ever did (and now BG).

It’s not just about just about what you said. It’s about Prime time VS Prime time.

Right now, you guys pull 24/48 hour shifts to block JQ’s prime time. That’s a numbers game. Also, our Prime time can only cover 3 maps fully…you guys can do 4. No matter how much you organize, you can’t fight the number game.

Skill takes into effect whhen you defend, sure. But when you want to take something? You need numbers. You can’t split your main force up to try to take another map…you lose leverage on the map you’re on.

This is why SBI faded into T2. WM could cover 1, maybe 2 maps. SBI’s prime time is now regulated to 2 map coverage). JQ …3…SoS…4. No matter how well we play, your PPT will always pull ahead because your prime time PPT/coverage is taking more. AKA manpower.

Is it an excuse? No. we at JQ just love the battles. We win, then we win. If we lose…we cares. We know our weakness, though. We cannot match your Prime time PPT. 4 map coverage owns 3 maps coverage. It’s that simple.

Distaste.4801:

Indo.8629:

I said it before and I’ll say it again and dont take this as any disrespect. BG as a server has a lot of coverage but not enough skilled/organized coverage.

You’re joking right? The coverage BG has is far more oragnized/skilled than SoS or JQ, the problem is BG simply doesn’t have enough of it to match SoS’s numbers let alone SoS+JQ. BG has been constantly stopping much larger SoS zergs with fewer numbers, the problem comes when skill/organization cannot overcome a greater population and that’s the wall BG hits. BG can have 20 skilled and organized people but they aren’t going to win vs 100 half coordinated zerglings.

Skill. You know how JQ manages to stay Second mostly every week, while being out numbered by SoS? Skill. We don’t whine, though. We give them a good fight and move to the next week. If we win a week, good. If we lose? Who cares. The fights are great.

Stop whining about coverage and show SoS and JQ that you are skilled. Skilled players don’t get trounced, pugs do. There’s gonna be a 3rd place…if it’s you guys, go down fighting…with your skilled players.

Excuses are just that…Honestly? I haven’t heard the 2v1 excuse since…the last time you guys were in T1. We also had our first T1 thread locked, also, since you guys were in T1. Let’s just WvWvW, and enough of the “we are better, you just have numbers” crap…we’ve seen that card played before, and it’s quite old.

Show US you’re skilled…save some effin face. Otherwise the “skill” talk is just that…talk. Then we’re pretty much going back to square one…“beastgate” all over again.

Smokee.1754:

SirLeroyz.5820:

That reminds me where are all the BG smack talkers now?

Where did you see all the smack talk from BG before?

I don’t know, maybe from the constant smack talk from the previous T1 meeting, and up to this meeting as well.

The one that sticks our the most is where the BG forum warriors keep saying that JQ isn’t a T1 server, despite out accomplishments. I read your T2 threads…you guys seem to be obesessed with JQ; and we are talking T2 threads from 4…5…6 weeks ago (not including weeks 3..2…1). You just want to boot us out because we are weak, and you guys are a true T1 server.

So, according to your forum warriors, we don’t belong. We ride the success of the 1st place team…if that makes any sense. Terrible logic. But let’s humor this * backwards logic….How come no one else can do it? Gotta be good to do it/be competitive/stay in the game with SoS to even “ride in their success”.

But, we are just a T2 team according to the BG posters here. I’m sure you’ll say “nuh uhhhh!” History/forum history says otherwise.

But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. We haven’t talked about the train wreck that was “Beastgate”.

I also remember replying to a guy named “peas” or something like that. He said that you guys had more posts/bigger threads than T1, therefore you guys would dominate. I told him that was a bad idea. He couldn’t resist saying that JQ didn’t belong btw…

I never understood that why BG posters, even when not going against us, still post about us.

SOS: 29,304 +145
JQ: 26, 217 +450
SBI: 17, 349 +100

CHIPS.6018:

Very depressing week for SBI. With WM gone we have even less people. It seems the only time SBI aren’t outmanned is 7pm-11pm pst. Many other people are talking about leaving.

Sad times.

Would hate to see you guys go. At least the JQ/SBI “hate” was a respectable “hate”. T1 kinda wont be the same without you guys…so get your act together! JQ recovered from a near mass exodus, you guys can do it too.

Not to be mean, but rather you guys than BG (to be in T1). I remember those threads fondly…not the best of memories.

Wotah.2975:

Churros.7196:

darkfall

Thought it was Darkfail?

I remember this being the EverQuest killer, the one of many.

Peetee.9406:

I think you overestimate the populations of the Tier 1 servers, they have all fallen dramatically. There’s a reason the Tier 2 thread has 450+ replies every week and the Tier 1 thread only has 125.

I remember the days when BG was supposed to take T1 by storm. Just so you know, T1 has gotten stronger since then (I’ve been there then and now week 2 of release to be exact… JQ has more coverage NOW than it did then…nice dig, though). The only server that has gotten weaker is SBI because WM left.

Onto the thread argument. Sure, you can make that claim. But on Guru SOS/JQ/SBI has a thread going on 13 pages; 341 posts…this match up? 16 replies.

My point is, thread/page count is a horrible basis on server population. Not to mention most really don’t post any more as they have learned trash talking doesn’t accomplish much.

I’m only here because I logged out, skimmed through and saw this post.

HTXL.2598:

Yeah apparently we were suppose to be experiencing end-game throughout the entire leveling process, but I must be the only one that feels let down in the department.

No, not the only one.

There’s a reason why the games population is lowering. Nothing to do at level 80 was one. sPVP was two. WvW being called “casual” by a dev was three.

But it seems people want nothing to do at level 80 it seems. Run around with a 100% unlocked map. Full upgraded gear for the duration of the games lifespan. You’ll max out your crafts…then what?

Eek.

Leiloni.7951:

Dynheart.5402:

Leiloni.7951:

Bruno Sardine.2907:

Dynheart.5402:

Palleon.1657:

How does this effect WvW? If my opponent has Ascended Uber Armour, the skill of the player goes out the window and it becomes the best geared who will win.

Not true.

A guy in full exotics/ascended armor can just flat out suck.

Skill still owns gear, if your gear is reasonable (don’t go into wvw at level 80 wearing whites).

Yeah I think people are over speculating the stat-increase…. assuming of course there even is one or that it will somehow translated into any part of the game other than that dungeon. Personally, i think it’s just a mis-interpretation and likely is more inscriptions with the treadmill being related to improving the equipment to tackle the dungeon… but hopefully this blog post will clear matters up.

Whether skill or gear matter more is irrelevent. Most of us want to have the best gear a game has to offer, but we do NOT want grind. We want to get our exotics and be finished. We want to be FREE to play whatever part of the game we enjoy. Adding in a new tier of gear, regardless of how small the stat increase is – it’s still an increase and goes against everything we were promised.

I watched a lot of their videos. They promised that there would be no grind. I knew they couldn’t do it.

Why?

MMO’s, by nature, are a grind. You cannot avoid it. You want to craft? It’s a grind. YOu want that new skin? That’s a grind. You want badges? That’s a grind. sPVP is even a grind.

It’s all a grind. It’s only how you want to see the grind. Right now, you don’t want to see a dungeon that has armor upgrades attached to it. That would be MORE grind, not adding to a grindless game.

All Anet can do is try to minimize it, which they did a good job with. Getting rid of the grind? Not happening. The only way that happens is if we all logged on, at launch, being level 80. All crafts maxed out. All gear was free. You already have the best gear in the game. All PoI’s/Vista’s/maps are unlocked….you get the point.

That, is a grindless game. And would probably be a boring one at that, at least for me.

Gear grind is entirely different from crafting grind, map completion grind, sPvP grind, etc. The latter is not a grind, it’s just you playing the game in whatever manner you enjoy most. Gear grind is required before you can really enjoy yourself. People want to have the best gear possible, and then they can start having fun with a game.

Then that’s on the player.

I’m level 80 with my Guardian with level 70 gear unlocking maps. I never felt the need to “must have best gear”.

I run a dungeon, when I run a dungeon.

Jestunhi.7429:

Dynheart.5402:

Leiloni.7951:

Bruno Sardine.2907:

Dynheart.5402:

Palleon.1657:

How does this effect WvW? If my opponent has Ascended Uber Armour, the skill of the player goes out the window and it becomes the best geared who will win.

Not true.

A guy in full exotics/ascended armor can just flat out suck.

Skill still owns gear, if your gear is reasonable (don’t go into wvw at level 80 wearing whites).

Yeah I think people are over speculating the stat-increase…. assuming of course there even is one or that it will somehow translated into any part of the game other than that dungeon. Personally, i think it’s just a mis-interpretation and likely is more inscriptions with the treadmill being related to improving the equipment to tackle the dungeon… but hopefully this blog post will clear matters up.

Whether skill or gear matter more is irrelevent. Most of us want to have the best gear a game has to offer, but we do NOT want grind. We want to get our exotics and be finished. We want to be FREE to play whatever part of the game we enjoy. Adding in a new tier of gear, regardless of how small the stat increase is – it’s still an increase and goes against everything we were promised.

I watched a lot of their videos. They promised that there would be no grind. I knew they couldn’t do it.

Why?

MMO’s, by nature, are a grind. You cannot avoid it. You want to craft? It’s a grind. YOu want that new skin? That’s a grind. You want badges? That’s a grind. sPVP is even a grind.

It’s all a grind. It’s only how you want to see the grind. Right now, you don’t want to see a dungeon that has armor upgrades attached to it. That would be MORE grind, not adding to a grindless game.

All Anet can do is try to minimize it, which they did a good job with. Getting rid of the grind? Not happening. The only way that happens is if we all logged on, at launch, being level 80. All crafts maxed out. All gear was free. You already have the best gear in the game. All PoI’s/Vista’s/maps are unlocked….you get the point.

That, is a grindless game. And would probably be a boring one at that, at least for me.

They promised no grind would be required. Optional grinds are optional, if you don’t want to do it you will be at no disadvantage.

They failed out of the box, though.

1-80 Grind. (30-80 wasn’t the plateau they promised…I’m fine with it, though…it was still way to easy to level).
Crafting?? Getting the mats?? If you want to buy the mats, get the gold…which is a grind to get in itself.
Exotics. Crafting/money/dungeons. All grinds.

These are the musts in GW2, and they are all linked somehow.

Adding a new tier of gear isn’t going to make the grind that much worse. All it does is add more content to a game that was 60 bucks. Yea, I think you guys forgot, it’s a sub-free game. More content = good.

Get the gear, be happy. Enjoy the new infusion thingy…whatever it is.

Leiloni.7951:

Bruno Sardine.2907:

Dynheart.5402:

Palleon.1657:

How does this effect WvW? If my opponent has Ascended Uber Armour, the skill of the player goes out the window and it becomes the best geared who will win.

Not true.

A guy in full exotics/ascended armor can just flat out suck.

Skill still owns gear, if your gear is reasonable (don’t go into wvw at level 80 wearing whites).

Yeah I think people are over speculating the stat-increase…. assuming of course there even is one or that it will somehow translated into any part of the game other than that dungeon. Personally, i think it’s just a mis-interpretation and likely is more inscriptions with the treadmill being related to improving the equipment to tackle the dungeon… but hopefully this blog post will clear matters up.

Whether skill or gear matter more is irrelevent. Most of us want to have the best gear a game has to offer, but we do NOT want grind. We want to get our exotics and be finished. We want to be FREE to play whatever part of the game we enjoy. Adding in a new tier of gear, regardless of how small the stat increase is – it’s still an increase and goes against everything we were promised.

I watched a lot of their videos. They promised that there would be no grind. I knew they couldn’t do it.

Why?

MMO’s, by nature, are a grind. You cannot avoid it. You want to craft? It’s a grind. YOu want that new skin? That’s a grind. You want badges? That’s a grind. sPVP is even a grind.

It’s all a grind. It’s only how you want to see the grind. Right now, you don’t want to see a dungeon that has armor upgrades attached to it. That would be MORE grind, not adding to a grindless game.

All Anet can do is try to minimize it, which they did a good job with. Getting rid of the grind? Not happening. The only way that happens is if we all logged on, at launch, being level 80. All crafts maxed out. All gear was free. You already have the best gear in the game. All PoI’s/Vista’s/maps are unlocked….you get the point.

That, is a grindless game. And would probably be a boring one at that, at least for me.

TheOSC.7659:

MrLee.6892:

phooka.4295:

MrLee.6892:

Did you read the post that they will be coming out with a blog post about it today.
And no it’s not the “ONLY” thing you can do, you can be patient and wait and see what is going to happen. THEN make your decision.

Jumping the gun on something we all know very little about is silly.

Blogpost is out and has close to zero information. Thanks for nothing, Anet. Still, buffed.de points to an interview with an official who said they introduced teirs so players have someting to work for (I’m paraphrasing). You can keep your head firmly in the sand. I’m just sad they killed the single most appealing aspect of the game. I’ll still play until another game tries to truly ditch teired gear and then hope they will stick to it. But I’m not investing another Euro in this one.

Sigh. It was a fun half year while it lasted.

Stop having your knee jerk reactions to something that could be nothing.

And like poster Lord said… (Not THE Lord!) :P

In gw1 “infused armor” was specifically to address fighting mursaat. The same could be true here, where getting your armor infused (making it ascended) only specifically helps you against a certain type of enemy or in a certain location (i.e. the new dungeon).
//food for thought before you people all lose your minds

Stop telling people to stop reacting. after playing a few MMO’s in my day it has been my experience if players don’t stop a bad mechanic from entering the game it takes ages to get it out after its implemented. It is much better to over react and let the devs know what you think of the idea before they implement a potentially bad one. Worst case you are wrong about the feature and it works best case you stop a crappy idea from ruining the game.

I know that I will be completely board with this game after two level 80’s (already there)

I decked out one…I really don’t want to do it again. This new patch just made me want to gear up my new main. But after that? 5 years with the same gear (same everything basically..but we change armor….y..ay)? Talk about bad idea for a game with a huge PVE focus.

Can’t there be a middle ground? I need something to do, kitten

I prefer this game over the others, but staying the same power/progression forever in an MMO is just not very attracting. They dropped the ball, so far, on pvp and wvw. PvE isn’t doing so hot either. But we want this game to be just like GW.

Like I said…It worked for GW. Different game. It wont fly with this game.

Palleon.1657:

How does this effect WvW? If my opponent has Ascended Uber Armour, the skill of the player goes out the window and it becomes the best geared who will win.

Not true.

A guy in full exotics/ascended armor can just flat out suck.

Skill still owns gear, if your gear is reasonable (don’t go into wvw at level 80 wearing whites).

Webba.3071:

Dynheart.5402:

I tried to explain this in one of my posts, but it was brief. Well said.

The Ascended gear will probably be static, just like exotic gear; and probably a very small boost. The thing to take note of is the infusion thing.

And that’s where a new game play mechanic is introduced. This infusion thing is being put into the game. Maybe it was in the works all along, but still needed testing. Who knows. But Anet felt this needed a new tier, something to make it feel more “powerful”, I guess.

Simply just adding infusion nodes to exotics wouldn’t have the same effect.

Thats as pure speculation as any of the other wild suppositions made in this thread.

But at least it sounds reasonable.

Add in something new, why not add a new tier to make it more powerful feeling/earn it.

Adding them to exotics would have been very, meh.

Terrahero.9358:

This isnt a progression, that isnt how gear threadmills work. The term threadmill is infact very accurate. You have to keep running, if you stop you’ll fall of the back end. And even tough you are running, you arent actually moving forward.

Or do some of you believe these better stats mean you are stronger? You’ll see bigger numbers, maybe. But that doesnt mean you are stronger. If you have to grind for gear that gives you 10% more damage, but everything else in the world has 20% more health. Did you really become stronger? Or are you just trying to close a gap that wasnt there before?

So progression is just very subjective. Its like standing in line with everyone else, and everyone takes a step forward. You only “progressed” relative to the people that didnt take a step forward. And those that didnt take a step forward, will experience the situation as having regressed. (gotten worst)

Gear threadmills are not progression, they are the illusion of progression. An illusion to hide the fact you are jumping hurdles for no other purpose then to spend time jumping hurdles.

I tried to explain this in one of my posts, but it was brief. Well said.

The Ascended gear will probably be static, just like exotic gear; and probably a very small boost. The thing to take note of is the infusion thing.

And that’s where a new game play mechanic is introduced. This infusion thing is being put into the game. Maybe it was in the works all along, but still needed testing. Who knows. But Anet felt this needed a new tier, something to make it feel more “powerful”, I guess.

Simply just adding infusion nodes to exotics wouldn’t have the same effect.

Conner.4702:

Dynheart.5402:

SoggyFrog.4170:

Dynheart.5402:

cesmode.4257:

MrLee.6892:

cesmode.4257:

Ever since I read this in the morning, I havent logged in. I just found it difficult to log in knowing that any gear I obtain on my main might be replaced in a few days.

Going to log in now, on my alts I’d imagine, but I haven’t had the urge to log in and obtain some dungeon gear today just because of this.

You play an MMO. MMO’s are about progression and additions. Stuff will change. If you haven’t figured this out by now, then I don’t think MMO’s are the type of game for you.

Not this MMO. Not verticle progression. If I wanted a gear treadmill I’ll do it via raiding. Not by simple fact of purchasing gear.

With that logic, why have gear at all?

This game is too big to not have something to do at level 80. Reward your level 80’s eventually. Playing barbie will only go so far.

Reward with what? Bigger numbers? Or making the game slightly easier to play?

Proponents of stat progression sure love throwing out the word “rewards” without explaining their meaning. If the reward is the ability to access certain content because you have gear that’s better than what others have, that means precisely the kind of elitism and gear grind that would put a lot of players off GW2, because that’s not the game they bought.

What elitism, though?

The gear in this game is way to easy to get to brag about. The new stuff? I will bet it’s the same thing!

All this is is to give us level 80’s something to do other than playing dress up. You people who like to play dress up? You’ll benefit, as you will run the dungeon anyway to get the skins/set you want.

If this required mass amounts of time to get the gear/level 80…I would get your argument. But…it doesn’t hold water in this game at all. Maybe for a legendary, but they don’t have stat boosts. Sooo, you can die looking pretty in WvW is about what that amounts to.

Grinding for skins/sets = not a grind is what I’m getting in this thread. 100’s of dungeon runs.

Doing just enough to get your upgrades is a grind, even though you are doing to get the skins/set…is a grind.

This doesn’t make sense to me at all.

The elitism of your ascend gear is not good enough you have rank 3 you need rank 4 to join our pug.

Anet is going to segregate the comunity in the haves and have nots with this move. The same problem existed in GW1 if you didn’t have high enough PvP rank you would have difficulty getting into groups.

Any content that isn’t accessible to all due to not having proper gear is bad.

That is highly doubtful

My guardian is level 80 with level 70 weapons…blue level 80 armor, and has no problems getting groups (gonna be my new main) for HoTW.

Matter of fact, people don’t even know I have crap gear until I tell them…they are quite shocked, actually. Matter of fact, I have never been asked what my gear was. I just get a slew of compliments, and I tell them I can’t wait ‘til this char is in full exotics. After I tell them what gear I had? I’m still in the group 4 hours later.

Skill still owns gear in this game. Gear will just help that along.

This new gear isn’t going to be this huge jump like people make it sound. I’m sure it’s less of a gap than what I’m running with on my Guardian (green 70’s/blue80’s…VS exotics, although I have 2 pieces now).

Skill will always trump gear in GW2.

People competed just fine in WvW when they were level 75 with blues…never complained one bit.

Now gear is a problem.

It’s a team game out there. It’s not team Ascended VS team Exotic. Do what you have to do, at your own pace. Have fun…, perhaps? People need to realize these game evolve over time. New items. New dungeons. Balance changes. Game play changes.

And people need to understand that this is not GW1. Like that game? Play that game. It’s still up and running I believe.

There will probably be more changes in the coming months. Brace yourselves. I kind of feel bad for the devs.

“We don’t want to grind for gear, but we’ll grind Karma and tokens all day for skins (which is…gear)!”

/boggle

They must be confused atm.

SoggyFrog.4170:

Dynheart.5402:

cesmode.4257:

MrLee.6892:

cesmode.4257:

Ever since I read this in the morning, I havent logged in. I just found it difficult to log in knowing that any gear I obtain on my main might be replaced in a few days.

Going to log in now, on my alts I’d imagine, but I haven’t had the urge to log in and obtain some dungeon gear today just because of this.

You play an MMO. MMO’s are about progression and additions. Stuff will change. If you haven’t figured this out by now, then I don’t think MMO’s are the type of game for you.

Not this MMO. Not verticle progression. If I wanted a gear treadmill I’ll do it via raiding. Not by simple fact of purchasing gear.

With that logic, why have gear at all?

This game is too big to not have something to do at level 80. Reward your level 80’s eventually. Playing barbie will only go so far.

Reward with what? Bigger numbers? Or making the game slightly easier to play?

Proponents of stat progression sure love throwing out the word “rewards” without explaining their meaning. If the reward is the ability to access certain content because you have gear that’s better than what others have, that means precisely the kind of elitism and gear grind that would put a lot of players off GW2, because that’s not the game they bought.

What elitism, though?

The gear in this game is way to easy to get to brag about. The new stuff? I will bet it’s the same thing!

All this is is to give us level 80’s something to do other than playing dress up. You people who like to play dress up? You’ll benefit, as you will run the dungeon anyway to get the skins/set you want.

If this required mass amounts of time to get the gear/level 80…I would get your argument. But…it doesn’t hold water in this game at all. Maybe for a legendary, but they don’t have stat boosts. Sooo, you can die looking pretty in WvW is about what that amounts to.

Grinding for skins/sets = not a grind is what I’m getting in this thread. 100’s of dungeon runs.

Doing just enough to get your upgrades is a grind, even though you are doing to get the skins/set…is a grind.

This doesn’t make sense to me at all.

Rei.2610:

Dynheart.5402:

I’m just gonna say it.

The whole no gear progression thing worked for GW1. It was a small game with a low level cap…very VERY pvp based.

That will not fly here. GW2 is already losing numbers; and will continue to. There is nothing to do at level 80! Playing dress up only goes so far.

A gear treadmill would be where you are constantly powering up your gear (look at traditional MMOs). If Anet employs this every 3-6 months…How in the heck is that a treadmill (upgrading your armor every 3-6 months…or what ever is NOT a treadmill..geez)? For an actual gamer, that’s still slow as kitten. All the while, you’re still stuck at level 80.

This game will continue to lose more players if there’s isn’t anything to do on the PVE side of things. Right now, the end game is playing dress up…and I’m already done with that.

New skins? What if I don’t like them? Stuck waiting for the next batch.

For an actual gamer like me. I play lots of other games. Devoting months of play time to keep up with a gear curb is a nightmare for me. It becomes a job. During gw1 there were years of time I didn’t spend playing, but I could always pick the game back up and be with the best of the best. I didn’t have to grind badge gear so I can be told I needed t10 to do a t9 raid.

This is what I don’t get.

You run your dungeons, you get the gear. You would have anyway to gasp get the new skins! Which you guys where OK with anyway.

So we are OK with a meaningless skin grinds. But if they add stats to it, which are all static btw, once and awhile…shame on them!

People are comparing this to raids and whatnot. Most likely, this will take a little long that your usual exotic, with dungeon runs. You’re done in a week. Yay! Even the most hardcore of hardcore’s weren’t even fully geared in traditional MMO’s after few months in.

The difference? One is super casual. The other is a time investment/treadmill…feels like you’re going nowhere. Hence the reason the word was used. How treadmill is even used in GW2 is beyond me.

I kinda have a feeling this gear will be stupid easy to get…and everyone here will look like dummies for making a big deal over nothing. 6 months from now? Another upgrade? Good! I’m sick of feeling like I’m going nowhere in these games (meaning having nothing to do but twiddle my thumbs/chat to my guild). Grind for a week…get that set. /cheer

I remember reading threads that if they were to have gear progression, make it easy at least. Gear is stupid easy to get in this game. This new kitten? Probably the same.

cesmode.4257:

MrLee.6892:

cesmode.4257:

Ever since I read this in the morning, I havent logged in. I just found it difficult to log in knowing that any gear I obtain on my main might be replaced in a few days.

Going to log in now, on my alts I’d imagine, but I haven’t had the urge to log in and obtain some dungeon gear today just because of this.

You play an MMO. MMO’s are about progression and additions. Stuff will change. If you haven’t figured this out by now, then I don’t think MMO’s are the type of game for you.

Not this MMO. Not verticle progression. If I wanted a gear treadmill I’ll do it via raiding. Not by simple fact of purchasing gear.

With that logic, why have gear at all?

This game is too big to not have something to do at level 80. Reward your level 80’s eventually. Playing barbie will only go so far.

I’m just gonna say it.

The whole no gear progression thing worked for GW1. It was a small game with a low level cap…very VERY pvp based.

That will not fly here. GW2 is already losing numbers; and will continue to. There is nothing to do at level 80! Playing dress up only goes so far.

A gear treadmill would be where you are constantly powering up your gear (look at traditional MMOs). If Anet employs this every 3-6 months…How in the heck is that a treadmill (upgrading your armor every 3-6 months…or what ever is NOT a treadmill..geez…and it’s mostly likely 1 set…not 10,000 like it would be for traditional MMOs)? For an actual gamer, that’s still slow as kitten. All the while, you’re still stuck at level 80.

This game will continue to lose more players if there’s isn’t anything to do on the PVE side of things. Right now, the end game is playing dress up…and I’m already done with that.

New skins? What if I don’t like them? Stuck waiting for the next batch.

Giki.7901:

So they added armor that is slightly better than exotic, who cares?! It gives us something else to do other than grind Orr for legendarys, thank you ArenaNet for making this change I think it gives many people another reason for wanting to do this dungeon, making armor look “cool” is just not cutting it anymore, what if you don’t necessarily love the look of the armor, your just not going to do the dungeon? That does not make sense, there needs to be another incentive for doing high level end content.
Quit crying and enjoy this amazing game called Guild Wars 2

I agree. But people would rather do nothing/be stuck with 1000hp/100stats (made up stats..you get the idea) for all eternity…just because it was like that in GW1.

GW2 is a totally different beast. It’s an actual MMO. Count how many MMO’s stuck to their original vision from launch? I’ve played 11 in my lifetime…none stuck to their guns. Some tried to, but failed. But these games evolve over time. It’s just how it is.

We wanted GW2 to be an MMO. We get all the pros, and the cons along with it. Enjoy the ride…or don’t.

I’m fine with this. I mean, we do countless dungeons to get meaningless pieces of armor anyway (just to look different).

Guess what? We would have done the same thing with these new dungeons. So why not make the gear a bit more powerful. Also…maybe the content is a bit more difficult in that area? New zones on the way. Setting up for an expansion…who knows.

It’s more content, and that’s all I care about. Staying the same strength and playing dress-up is all well and good. Getting better gear every 3 months, or so, is even better. Like your look? Use a transmuting stone.

As for the game changing…how many of you actually played more than 1 MMO (this and your main one actually)? These games never, with 100% certainty, stay the same. GW1? Well, that wasn’t really an MMO; more like a PSOesqe type of game. This game is a totally different beast.

It’ll most likely change several more times through the coarse of the year. We will most likely get more powerful gear before we hit that wall they were talking about. Thing is…where is it? PVE is tooo short/easy. PVP isn’t satisfying. WVW need a lot of work.

Either enjoy the ride, or go to a new MMO that will do the same thing. Change their original vision of the game through out it’s life span.

jojojoon.8607:

Dynheart.5402:

Forest.4197:

What time slot does this so called “Chinese guild roster” play? In EST terms preferably.

It’s not a “so called” Chinese guild/roster. HD, Holy Dragon is the big one that’s missing, though. It’s already been known that Chinese players cannot log on.

Thing is, HD is a biggy on JQ, along with many other Chinese players.

Although I haven’t participated in this weeks match (too busy..I still don’t think they are back), they have been missing for awhile now. Something about their internet being cut off/messed up over there. /shrug I didn’t get into the details much.

If I remember correctly, China is currently having elections to select the new leaders for their Communist Party. Censorship has been vamped up so many people in China have had their internet blocked or restricted during the elections.

The US based members of some of the Chinese guilds have said that their guilds are currently in shambles due to many of the Chinese based members having their internet cut off or restricted. Some of the guilds went from 100+ online with 40+ in wvw regularly to not even having 5 people online. Some who have managed to go online are using VPN to bypass the IP restriction but can’t play due to the lag.

That’s what I heard, but didn’t want to put it down in case I messed something up. I just knew that HD and a few other Chinese guilds dropped out like a bad habit a few weeks ago…never to return.

Hopefully this blows over sooner rather than later. They gotta do what they gotta do.

/shrug

We’ll make the most of it until they return, though. Fight we must…no excuses! WM is no joke. Simple as that.

Forest.4197:

What time slot does this so called “Chinese guild roster” play? In EST terms preferably.

It’s not a “so called” Chinese guild/roster. HD, Holy Dragon is the big one that’s missing, though. It’s already been known that Chinese players cannot log on.

Thing is, HD is a biggy on JQ, along with many other Chinese players.

Although I haven’t participated in this weeks match (too busy..I still don’t think they are back), they have been missing for awhile now. Something about their internet being cut off/messed up over there. /shrug I didn’t get into the details much.

Forest.4197:

My point is, so many people in this thread are wondering why is JQ ahead and whether SBI gave up or something, but are these people so blind as to not notice there’s currently a big gaping hole in WvW known as WM?

That’s nice and all, but JQ has been missing their entire Chinese guild roster forever now. Who knows when they will come back. And yes, they make a HUGE difference when WM is running loose on the map.

Instead of playing that card, why not just say…“good match.”…which it is.

Distaste.4801:

Dynheart.5402:

Had a good post until the end.

What makes you think that JQ is flavor of the week; being 3rd and then 2nd from these match ups? 2nd place with IoJ here? Makes absolutely no sense.

I will tell you we have been trying to fill the gaps. Also, we have been missing a TON of asian players, mainly Chinese players. These players kept WM in check (and I know they are absent atm). No really beat them per say, but made sure WM didn’t run away with the map. We, as a server, have been trying to fill that gap until that blows over….when ever that is. Recruiting doesn’t = bandwagoning.

Going from 3-4 hour ques, when we won 3 times in a row, to 10-15 min ques…Doesn’t sound like bandwagoning to me. Sounds like they left is more like it; which I’m glad.

I can’t speak for SBI’s server.

Well a reason JQ could be a flavor is that guilds don’t want to join the #1 server. They want to join the #2 and beat the #1 server. It makes them feel like they aren’t bandwagoning. They won’t join the #3 server either because it would take a lot more transfers for them to be #1.

As for queue times, this is a problem on all servers. The population is drying up because WvW is actually incredibly shallow, Alterac Valley version 1.0 had far more depth. What you’re seeing is that as people quit they are being replaced by others transferring in. As the lower servers hardcore wvw populations dwindle to transfers slow and the servers being propped up by those populations will have dwindling populations as well. The lost shores patch will probably spike populations again and if it has enough content keep people playing for awhile until the same thing happens again.

That makes no sense, as history has show so far, the top server get’s all the PUGS. It’s an “I win” button. It happened with HoD. It happened with JQ.

JQ’s poplulation has dropped dramatically in last 2-3 weeks. Now all of the sudden..we are a flavor of the week server again?

I’ll tell you what. It was noticable a month ago, as we would just run over anyone. ATM? BG seems to be out numbering us at every corner on one BL. If we were a bandwagon server…numbers/coverage wouldn’t be an issue right now… right now, we are fighting tooth and nail for every bit of space out there.

Wasn’t like that a month ago.

EDIT: Let me reiterate. The fights were good, but we had so many numbers that tactics were moot. Just run them over and move on. Now we have to think again (pre bandwagon era), which is how we wanted it in the first place. I’m sure an SBI player can attest to the number difference/coverage NOW and an month ago. Very VERY different servers. JQ is better now, IMO, than is was when it was in first place.

puts up bandwagon shield

Kysin.6349:

@Smoke, stop crying about JQ… Yeah we have it so bad, JQ is attacking us in a competitive 3 way fight… Just deal with it man! Also, don’t say “we’re” because you are simply talking for yourself and not our whole server. Anyways back to real conversation

I would be the first to report someone if I knew they were hacking on any server, but finding a guardian inside of DB is not proof of anything. It is easy to hide in DB if no one does an extremely good sweep. Trust me, it has happened to us a number of times (band-wagoners don’t concern themselves with sweeping).

Unfortunately for you guys at SBI and JQ, seems that the band-wagoners chose you for the flavor of the week… Not that any of us are surprised (blasted free transfers). GL out there everyone, it has been really fun.

Had a good post until the end.

What makes you think that JQ is flavor of the week; being 3rd and then 2nd from these match ups? 2nd place with IoJ here? Makes absolutely no sense.

I will tell you we have been trying to fill the gaps. Also, we have been missing a TON of asian players, mainly Chinese players. These players kept WM in check (and I know they are absent atm). No really beat them per say, but made sure WM didn’t run away with the map. We, as a server, have been trying to fill that gap until that blows over….when ever that is. Recruiting doesn’t = bandwagoning.

Going from 3-4 hour ques, when we won 3 times in a row, to 10-15 min ques…Doesn’t sound like bandwagoning to me. Sounds like they left is more like it; which I’m glad.

I can’t speak for SBI’s server.

Look at that. BG was lingering aroung +180 for awhile. Then it was SBI. Now it’s JQ’s turn (as I type this).

It’s all about who’s on…and right now SBI and BG smell blood. JQ isn’t playing well now, so they are BOTH hitting JQ. 2v1 much. Should I rant and rave? Should I say “HAHAHA, you can only win by double teaming”..As JQ had a 310 ppt at one point…now +180?

Nah. It’s called making sure one server doesn’t get too much momentum. It’s called playing smart. Both SBI and BG did the correct thing…as BG and JQ did when SBI was rollin’

Now, most buckle under this type pressure and the good servers swallow them whole…and most likely they don’t get back into the match. We know this. All three servers have been able to weather the storm and bounce back.

Quit with the conspiracies and call this match what it really is…a great T1 match up.

It’s funny to see different tiers having their own complaints. T1 it’s the 2v1. T2 has always been a mess (a T1 server get bumped down eventually and wipes the map).

Then we move into the T3-4 servers. You never hear complaints about 2v1…barely. Or the complaints of servers that don’t belong (T2). Instead you hear complaints of “we are better when we are awake, you or only winning because we have to sleep”. AKA…night capping.

All that shows is, in the end, that there’s a weakness in both servers. One is weak during the day, the other during night time. Fix it…so you can join us in T1 and hear the 2v1 banter all day long! lol

On a side note, I knew Yaks Bend had it in them…just needed the proper coverage…that’s what it’s all about in the end. GL to all servers.

Reading way too much into it. Was the update about to tick? All servers zerg any and all camps to close the gap/pull ahead when a tick is about to take place.

Also. Servers anger servers several times through out the match. SBI did it to us on Friday; on BG BL. They made sure we didn’t take any BG territory. I guess any JQ player could have cried 2v1 there…but nah… All we did was went after SBI instead and created a 2v1 agaist US…as BG was hell bent on hitting JQ, so was SBI.

We held our own, though. So it is what it is. As for many people taking camps? All three servers do it. I’ve been zerged by SBI and BG…30+ over a measly little camp. Guess what. 1 camp can make all the difference in a tactical fight. Why else would 3 servers be fighting over it fiercely?

2v1 argument is crap. If SBI and JQ really, truely, double teamed against BG…they wouldn’t have 40k+ points right now. No contest. Fact is, you are only seeing what you want to see. I see SBI and BG dbl teaming JQ a lot too…it’s not thread worthy…it’s what T1 is all about. Get used to it.

If BG players in this thread think SBI and JQ have some pact to boot any new comer that shows up….That’s laugh worthy.

SBI and JQ are rivals. I WvW A LOT…SBI is our primary target. Why? Biggest threat. Sometimes you want to kick a man while he’s down so SBI doesn’t get the easy points; but all great servers do this. Win at all costs.

Sorry you guys feel the world is against you. But if you were truly better than SBI and JQ…2v1 be kitten you would still be on top. But you’re not. Instead we have a close match…like it should be…just like last week. It’s a testament to how great these servers are. The greatest test for BG is longevity. JQ has it. SBI has it. Will BG?

It’s all about the established community after bang wagoners disappear and the smoke clears. SBI and JQ have that down (JQ…almost).

This whole 2v1 thing is pretty dumb.

Here, in T1, we use long term strats. Like taking the entire lower half of the map for instance. Or the west side, or east. Whatever. If you are SBI? Guess what. You are JQ’s target. If you’re BG occupying that space? You know the drill. If it’s a mix of both? I guess everyone is happy?

If SBI has the same idea in mind as us, we are basically fighting for that spot. Hey, guess what. BG does the same thing. I recall SBI and BG last night, in the BG BL, ignoring each other completely and both just cornered JQ. 2v1? No. It’s called having the same idea at the same time…and a little bit of tactics, as we were ahead in the PPT at the time.

Also, there are 3 teams. One is going to be focus fired at any given time. SBI drops below +200. JQ drops below +200…BG drops below +200…guess who’s getting focus fired at that time? Not hard to guess. When two are fighting…what is the 3rd going to do? Fight the fourth server? Nooooo they are going to fight the odd man creating a 2v1. Use it effectively and you have intense matches, like the ones in T1.

That’s how it works in T1. It’s rough out there, and fun…enjoy it for crying out loud.