Guild Wars 2

Oh, btw – we had great fun slaping both AR’s and RS’s fingers while they were tryng to take both Hills and Garrison on PS BL today.
4 hours of WvW brought me over 1000 kills, 223 badges and 2.8g worth of large loot bags
Had a blast!
We (DT) along with XT and few smaller squads (like EXE) managed to withstand almost constant assaults from both servers for over 3 hours till they finally conceded.

There was a number of guilds tring to fight back, but they were mostly on the dieing side of things :P

Videos coming up tomorrow (as always including few instances when our glorious commander managed to wipe us :P )

P. much what I said in topic. Will wearing berserker’s gear improve my pets crit damage?

Nemesys.7251:

gj Dt 5 inc 1 time dead 3 time flee and 1 time regroup with gow is your style right?

II feel you man! I also run to the forums every time we kill XxX warband while having twice the numbers!

Oh, wai… I don’t!

We are happy to help you feel better about yourselves!

Monday WvW from DT perspective.
Gandara guilds were often quite hard to crack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0z7IS0-XfA

I had no idea that there are Warhammer guilds on GH too.

My guild (Ravens of War [RVNS], used to be Ravens of Bulrok/Karak Azgal) are about to leave Ring of Fire after trying waaaay too hard to get it somewere and going to Picken Squere. RG/iB/PX are all good but from what I saw fighting vs. Picken many times it has more than that going on.

Yet another bump. Hope it’s not forbidden.

Bumping once again.

Not even 3 hours since i posted it and we already got one guild transfered
Worth a shameless brag&bump I’d say!

Hello everyone!
Are you having 2nd thoughts about your server pick? Are you kitten by lack of coordination between guilds? Do you feel like your efforts bring you no credit due to massive guild zergs ruling your world’s WvW? Or maybe you are online outside primetime and have noone to play with? Or maybe you just can;t enter this kitten WvW due to absurd queue?

If you answered yes to any of those questions Ring of Fire may be a SERVER FOR YOU!
Keep reading!

Are you tired of “big boys” doing their thing and not worrying about your squad? Are you sick of doing all the work and getting no credit?

Then just skip the rest of this post and go find that “transfer” button. On RoF there are no big WvW guilds atm. Only 2 can field more than 15-20 people and even that’s not everyday. Our WvW core is made of over 10 small guilds (5-15 people on the field) coordinating via Skype and TS. If you are one of those you can easly become another backbone of our community, and if you are a big, WvW oriented guild you can easly become a real flagship! Your tag will be 1st thing that will come to mind of people on other servers when they recall their fights with RoF. Sounds good, doesnt it? ^^

Do you sometimes think that other guilds on your server can’t speak a word in english since they never talk to eachother or coordinate in any way?

Our server used to be a disaster. All those small guilds, incompetent zerg, no commanders, no coordination. Then enough people got kitten and few weeks back decided to do something about it. We contacted eachother, looked for every copetent guild out there and managed to muster over 10. Every friday night just before reset we gather on Skype to sum up last week, discuss strategy and assign tasks for another week. Guilds chose other guild they want to cooperate with and then chose maps they are going to focus for next 7 days. For the rest of the week we use that Skype group for raporting and coordinating between maps etc. Works out p. kitten well!
On top of that all the guild working at the same map have their commanders/officers on one Teamspeak granting really nice coordination and reaction time. You won;t every have to beg for reinforcements on /m or /t just to be ignored by mindless zerg. You’ll get it fast and togather you’ll crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of their women!

You can’t stand having to sit for hours waiting for a spot in WvW?
Then it really sucks for you man RoF population may be “high” but sadly (luckly?) not so many people are intrested in WvW. I can’t remember when last time I encoutered queue for all 4 maps. Usually at least 2 borderlands have none. Sure – that means we tend to be outnumbered in those maps, but I’m sure that I’m talking with people who’d call it “target rich environment”

Are you online mostly at night, at the morning or about noon and there is noone to play with?
Well, I’m not one of those, but from what i saw and was told our server has quite a diversity in that department. In previous matchups i usually saw most of them map under our control when i happaned to log in about noon. Now it’s not as good since Jade Sea (FR) seems to have more people at night (two 60-man zergs at 4 am? really?!)than in prime time but we aren;t one of those servers who are dead outside primetime (like Picken’s Squere for example).

If you are intrigued and feel like making a good use out of those free transfers before they run out go ahead and contact ingame any of the people listed below.
And lets climb that server ladder togather via skill and coordination (not Canadian invasion and 24/7 zerg :P)

Cheers!

Contacts:
Emnel, Samasto, Mordebij, Isahn Lep, Kronos Ledaloth, Lohengrin Fenrir

I see a lot of posts about how WvW is broken etc.
Some are valid bu over 90% of them can be fixed by one of those two things: using your kitten brain and/or a bit of coordination.

My 40 man zer…ehm… glorious army gets killed by 1000 enemies (I’m sure they were so many!) after 10 minutes of attackign a gate. EVERY TIME!
—-> Buy a kitten ram.
*Whenever we try to take a tower enemies are waiting for us inside with siege weapons
—-> Stop being sokittenobvious and attack when they are not expecting you.
Enemy towers and keeps are always ungaded while ours aren’t. Its pay to win!
—-> Money is usually not a problem. Fools who steal every last piece of supply from castle depot are. It can’t upgraded without those, so if you want those upgrades go to the freaking camp instead to the depot.
When we attack one tower enemies take 2 others and 3 camps. Numbers is only thing that matters in this skilles mindless game mode!!!!one
—-> If there was a que enering a zone then your numbers are perfectly even (or even your’s are superior). Stop running with 50 man and use 15-20 man groups with siege engines to attack and defend multiple targets at the same time.

One server has superior numbers, spends more money, has players who play 48/14 soi we and that other poor server are getting torn to pieces! WvW rating system sucks!
—→ There are 3 servers, right? Teram the hell up – they’ll sure as hell have a lot of fun vs. twice their numbers.

And so on and so forth… Just get a clue and stop crying.

30 people you say?
That means you should have enough supply to place 7 rams that d take door in about 20 seconds.
Jokes aside place 2 or 3 rams if you are trying to take a keep and expect huge enemy presence and they will come while you are already sitting on ramparts laughing at them.
If you try to take down the keep without siege weapons you deserve everything that happens to you and then some.

It’s just me or damage done by Well of Suffering and Well of Corruption got like cut in half sometime in last two days?
That d be almost only 2 things making my necro usefull in WvW gone…

Sure man, sure !
Now I finally understood that when GW1 verterans are winning vs. clueless, unorganized zerg it’s due to their godly skill (noone ever saw that, but we obviously all know that d happen), while when DAoC or WAR players do the same it’s only bc of… not sure what? Superior numbers (that are at the same time inferior somehow)? Higher levels? Better gear?
Thats completly reasonable. Man, you should be a scientist, you use logic like an artist!

Are you a freaking princess or something? I’ve seen number of serious academic dabates that were way more “trolly”…
If you are trying to avoid the topic due to lack of merit in your arguments you should really find the way that doesn’t make you look so silly.

1st of all if you want to preach to the choir stick to talking to your guild mates etc. If you bring up something on public forum then be aware that you may encounter people who don’t share your view on one or another matter.

About your theorycrafting again – you don;t see anything like that bc you probably hardly played WvW or servers you play with don’t have seasoned veterans from previous games. It’s funny how you discribe quite a simple coordination treating it like a holy grall How do you think we play?
“Ok, everyone, look at your map. We are on bottom of the map. Our goal is that tower in north west corner. Run towards is spamming “1” every 3 seconds and “2” or “3” inbetween if you spot enemy. For vicotry! CHARGE!"
:D
Imagine in reality it’s something like you discribed (in a bigger scale tho, since multiple people tend not to die from one AoE speced char) + constant awarness and mobility while holding formations since you have to expect hostiles in almost any numbers from almost everywere. Sure it’s usually not as subtle as in smaller fights (and due to our inexperience with GW) but not nearly as simple as you think, lol.
Tho, stop trying to convince me with your theories. Prove yourself in battle. I’d really love to see that (I’m not sarcasting, I’d love to watch nice fraps of gw1 veterans playing WvW- i if you have any, I beg you to send me links).

Back on topic tho – I wasnt really “pessimistic” about “pot” thing. I just think that it will cease to be a problem (due to ingame inflation) before it’ll get a chance to get implemented.

It’s not like the map is filled with hiding spots or something. Nowadays you have to check every keep you take for hiding mesmers anyway.
I think that mechanic like this could be implemented in some reasonable way. Also seems more “natural” than some stated above (it seems like a common sense that you should drive enemy away before you start rebuilding your collapsed walls).

I agree, something has to be done.
Best idea IMO d be making impossible to repair completly broken parts (walls, gates) while keep is still under attack in their vicinity.

So is mine : The gvg’er format players would completely dominate in wvw vs the wvw players as the combat will be a breeze with their superior communication during actual combat. The coordination required in wvw is all pretty much a GIVEN. Then there is just MINOR tactics required on where to go next with your team.

Oh, then just do that and shut my mouth. Your ilusion of greatness paired with complete lack of intrest in putting it to the test gets more and more amusing. Atm you are just another guy boasting on the internet

No, the debate is on : Adding elimination to wvw, Adding a “pot” for people to add in partial amounts of money for an upgrade. Overall fixing world vs world.

Ok, here we go then. In details.
Elimination may seem like a valid idea (it’s something tested in other game modes like this) but current system of constant 2 week battle is is dug so deep into the design that it simply wont happen. It;s hardly a big deal too since even most serious cases of ADHD should be able to survive 2 weeks of being an underdog.
I’m also sure that if only heroes of PvP or your kind d be so kind to help their humble server mates and decided to enter WvW they d immedietly turn the tide of battle ^^ (I couldn’t resist… Also that was 1st sarcastic thing i wrote. Those before were mostly serious)

“Pot” and partial money gathering – hardly an issue anymore and one to get even more irrelevant very shortly with more and more gold hitting the market. None of servers in our matchup seems to have a problem with funding castle upgrades already. If your’s does that must be due to lack of cooperation or something like that. Change ‘d be obviously nice but it’s hardly something of great importance as you make it to be.

Your guild, other guild, what’s the difference? My point was exactly the same:

It’s obviously different kind of coordination and different type of skill really but as I said it still needs an awful lot of it.

Lovely that we finally understood eachother.

And my english probably won’t get any better today since I’m like 30h+ on my feel due to some work related kittenup

All you are doing is diluting my thread with meaningless posts and arguements, which are not needed for this debate, which is over fixing wvw.

Hardly. I’m just stating that your arguments and ideas are hasty, lack inside and therefore invalid. My counterargument is that WvW should stay as it is at least for a little while till everyone will be able to get more educated opinions. Isn’t that part of the debate?

@buzzkapow – Oh, i know what are you talking about, believe me. Some matchups are clearly mismatches (I’m myself on a server that’s getting heavly dominated and I get frustrated quite a lot lately) but as i understand system is planned the that way so it will slowly but surely balance itself.
Waiting ques should encourage people to leave high pop servers for less populated ones (we did exacly that 2 weeks ago) while ranking system will help find better matchups for ones who get dominated. 1 week bad matchup isn’t as terrible as it seems. In Warhammer there were servers where one side dominated for few months in a row or even for over a year

Didn’t I said what you are trying to tell me like 3 posts above? I haven’t played GW1 and I and my guild would be surely obliterated in matter of seconds if we’d face you’r guild in sPvP. I have no doubts about that.
I also have no doubts that dispite our bigginer level when it comes to GW mechanics, you d have much harder time being as effective in WvW as we or other proper DAoC/WAR guild. I’m almost sure you’d get stuck and slowly died in 1st slightly bigger zerg you’d encounter

Oh, I’m sorry that not ageeing with you offends you. Welcome to… world I guess?

You keep not reading what i write and therefore mistaking mindless zerg herding for organized WvW play. Let me assure you that it takes more skills than ability to write a number to beat 30 people with 5-10 of our own?

I guess you have that many, right? Then what’s stoping you from going ahead and rulling a whole map with just another one or two guilds as godly as yours

It’s obviously different kind of coordination and different type of skill really but as I said it still needs an awful lot of it.
Feel free to prove me wrong by taking out simialar or more numerous groups of WvW focused players with your group.

Everything else is just another type of pointless bridge vs. chess debate.

You clearly barely scrached a surface. Individuality and coordination matter an awful lot here. At this point skill gap between veteran Warhammer and DAoC players and ones who didnt play this format before is just absurd. Over 70% of people run around with completly useless builds, another 10 or 20% have close to no idea how to act in fights etc.
Guild I am in wasn;t and isn;t best around and killing 20+ man with 5 or 6 people in warhammer was something to remember. Here it happens few times a day. And not because we suddenly got stroke of genious – it’s because most of our enemies are clueless.
Take your time and try to understand how it works, gather group of friends, organize, plan, strategize and then you’ll start to enjoy it immensly.

I’ve played Warhammers RvR for about 3 years without getting bored, so I’d wait at least few months before making any changes here.

I already think that moving SM lord to the bottom floor was a mistake. People were already starting to organize and coordinate a lot to take that. Now it just got dumbed down.

Some people just enjoy certein things, some people don’t.

EDIT:

WvW was never marketed as a thin for casal gamers. THats a myth without a quote created by sPvP fans

Guy doesn’t get a res ones —→ runs to the forums.

Oh my…

Why people keep thinking that WvW has to be fixed?
Works fine for me (if you dont coun’t enemy models not loading).

Oddly enough Vabbi is dominating it’s matchup vs. Ring of Fire (who are plain terrible while numerous) and Picken Squere (who have close to none out-of-primetime coverege).

Is there a chance for official info on this subject?

We’d love to know if feature like that is worked on and if there is any ETA yet.

Yeah, those some really good ideas by Cayden.

My guildies at 1st thought that commander is something like that (20 man group that can be closed) and they were like “That sucks, but lets gather 100g, what can you do?”
But when i broke them the news that there is no warbang function in this game everyone was like “WTF? How is it possible that game like this doesnt have it???”

Yes, yes, yes.
I’ve been spamming this issue since yesterday. Nice to have some backup.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Give-us-raid-warband-option-as-a-default/first#post87703

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/WvW-Warband-Raid-groups-for-WvW/first#post88015

According to /team and /map chat on my server every tactic and strategy should be considered an exploit.

For me and my guildmates, 3+ year Warhammer veterans having to run in WvW as a bunch of 5 man parties is close to gamebreaker (especially since we have just 8-16 people and tend to fight vs. vastly superior numbers).

Inability to see your mates on the map, to see their current hp etc. is very crippling.

One might say that commander is an answer, but it isn’t. It serves completly different purpose – coordinating whole server/map. Futhermore if every 15 man guild d buy a commander that d be comple0te mess on the map.

Please make an option of 20-man or so grous like every other game in this genre did. For those of us who want to rn around as small capable force taking care of objectives forgotten by zerg.

It’s not as big of a deal and will cease to exist veryshortly imo.
More and more people are leveling to 80, find ways to get money, get all gear they want and therefore have more and more money to spare.

I’m not very ingame rich but still buy z dozen of rams and cart everytime i run out of them, upgrade supply camps and keeps when needed.

Also you can always aske for assistance on /t or /m. On our server people tend to respond and help fund the effort.

Bump.

So is everyone really content with those 5 man groups?

And I’m not talking about commanders and squads.
Those are clearly intended for organizing whole servers effort and that 100g seems acceptable (for an account tho for the love of god…).
What is not acceptable? That in game called GUILD Wars my guild has to do WvW in few 5 man parties without being able to see eachother on the map, see others hp etc.
Or simply: without things that EVERY game of this genre offers as a basic options. And I’m not even talking about Warhammer. Even freaking Rift that had no real pvp had easy raid option.

Leave commander as it is for people who want to command whole server but dont make every guild to buy 2, 3 or more of those. It does not only enrage people line anything else but will make a mess with dozens of commanders to pop up within next month due to lack of standard warband/raid option.

So once again – give us:

- 20+ man warband/raid option
- where people have to be invited, just like to the party
- where people can see eachother on a map, just like in a party
- where people can see eachothers health, just like in a party…

Just give us bigger paries, for all what is holy…

This is such a bs…
We expected AT LEAST to be able to see warband members on the map and still thought its sick price.

Idc if this thing is for 100g or 1000g now, just give me freaking warband/raid option like in every other game (even PvE centric like Rift) so i can run with my guild members and have basic information about their possition , hp level etc.

THIS! 1000 times this!
My main is necromancer and I use staff for most of the time. It made me lower my sound options to complete minimum just to not get driven insane by this.

Bonus for equiping 4 of those runes (and whole point of them) never procs. We were running with 6 man, 3 with set of those runes equiped and saw no proc for over an hour.