Guild Wars 2

RedOwl.7496:

Read thru the forums. How many threads to you see calling for nerfs, complaints about thieves? Now how many do you see about other classes? Do the math. Now why do you think there are so many ‘anti thief’ threads? Because they are designed well and balanced? Because so many enjoy fighting them? I think not.

The reason for all the anti Thief posts and threads is because some people do not know that Culling is the problem.

Most of the problems associated with being killed by a Thief stem from Culling not working correctly, and Culling making it seems as though a Thief can permanently stealth, which is not the case.

People need to stop calling for nerfs, and start calling for Culling to be fixed.

Kirrund.2654:

Right. And the game has not been out long enough for all these people on the forums to fully grasp the entirety of the game. Portal isn’t 10x better than everything else.

Lets put it into a bit of perspective shall we.

There have been many, many posts from people, complaining about a Thief being able to stealth into a group of people, kill one, or even some, of them, then the Thief can stealth out to safety.

Many people have posted here, in this forum, crying about it, wanting it to be nerfed, claiming it is OP, shouldnt be allowed, etc etc.

Now, here we have a Mesmer, who can also stealth into a group of people, but the Mesmer can drop a portal, and allow an infinite number of people to follow them, and kill a lot more than just one, or some, of the group of people, then the Mesmer can portal back out to safety.

Now, you may be right, the Mesmer portal bomb may not be ten times better than everything else, but it is infinitely better than the most complained about class/mechanic on the forums, and the game has certainly been out long enough for people to see that.

stingz.2169:

nahj.2870:

stingz.2169:

Or a permastealth thief destroying all siege weapons one after the other beyond enemy lines during a stonemist siege. sarcasm mode on Sure that’s not a problem sarcasm mode off

Permastealthing doesn’t seem like it would be an issue at all in this situation. Siege equipment should be protected anyway, so if one person, permastealthing thief or not, manages to take out numerous siege weapons back to back by themselves then that sounds like a serious failure on the part of the assaulting server. I can see culling issues being a factor, but it shouldn’t be a deal breaker since siege should never be left undefended like that unless it’s no longer needed.

Also, from the OP

Cosec.9802:

If it just me or are there a Per stealth rouge at every dang supply now a days. I play a thief I do not perm stealth because I play the thief as its intended I don’t exploit. I believe this needs to be fixed asap. IMO this is ruining wvw. Not one of any profession should be capable of holding off an entire 20 man group of players from capping a point they fought hard to get. This will end up being a big game breaker for wvw if they don’t find a way to fix this. I for one can’t stand you types of thieves your weak players dependent on a defect of design and your never gonna convince me otherwise. Stop exploiting the game. Play with skill not cheap dirty tricks.

So yes, this thread is literally about the cap issue.

Last time I’ve checked the title of the thread was: “Perma Stealth thieves are ruining WVW.”.
So, if in my opinion the cap issue is not the only issue about permstealth thieves and wvwvw ruining the game, I’ll write it here.

Siege weapons undefended? Do you think we were just standing there watching while he was attacking our siege weapons? Really? There were like 30 ppl around those siege weapons… How do you know they were unprotected? You were there too? Or you are just jumping to convenient conclusions? Never mind I think I already know the answer.

I call BS.

Are you really trying to claim that ONE Thief, stayed perma stealthed, and SINGLE-HANDEDLY destroyed multiple seige weapons, and around 30 people could not stop them?

Again, I call BS.

What probably happened was the seige weapons in question were being hammered by everyone that was defending SM, and a Thief just happened to turn up and get a few hits in too, but hey, bandwagon time, lets blame every bad thing ever, in the history of bad things, on a Thief!!!

Whats next? an eye witness account of how the third shooter from the grassy knoll was aThief too?

Braxxus.2904:

Excession.2198:

Yes, you are right.
When 50 people blame a rendering issue on their inability to counter one single player, something must be done, but it is not the something you obviously think it is.

Hmm

When many people complain about a block bug on their inability to counter one single bunker, something must be done in the same manner right?

A bug/exploit/mechanical failure which has a major detrimental effect on gameplay must be accounted for. Because of the rendering issue one single class is capable at times of being invisible 100% of the time while killing someone or denying a cap for an objective.

Trying to defend this as ‘ok’ in any way shape or form is just asinine.

Asinine would be 50 people stood around not using their brains, or abilities, and allowing 1 person to stop them doing something, while blaming it all on a rendering issue.

No matter how you try to spin it, it is not that hard to counter a Thief trying to stay in stealth and block a camp being flipped, especially if you have 50 people.

Feel free to carry on crying for Thief nerfs on the forums though, as once idiots that cannot learn how to play are done with Thief’s, they will move on to the next class/ability/mechanic/whatever that they have no clue about, and cry and whine until that is nerfed too, but its all good right? as long as “many people” are complaining, it must be right.

Alodar.5794:

When ONE thief can hold down a supply camp when a zerg of 50 people are there simply because of a rendering issue that is not fixed… something needs to be done.

Yes, you are right.
When 50 people blame a rendering issue on their inability to counter one single player, something must be done, but it is not the something you obviously think it is.

Ianervan.3415:

Excession.2198:

Being associated with xenophobic trolling of a single guild is fine though?

And this is coming from a guild that is xenophobic regarding French people. Great. So you and your guildies can post trash about the French in ingame chat and on the forum but suddenly others are xenophobic? I think others are anti-xenophobic, hence the turmoil.

Xenophobic regarding French people?.
What was said actually, in a joke RP post of all things, was that Ruin wanted to stop the French from monopolising Tier 1.
At the time, when that joke RP post was made, hardly anyone, apart from players on the two French servers it was made about, had any objection at all to what was said in it.
Now everyone has their little panties in a bunch over Ruin, and suddenly a post made in jest that was fine previously, makes all of Ruin xenophobic? give me a break.
From the first minute of the first day that Ruin transferred over, EU players made some very xenophobic comments, and posts, and threads, about US guilds, and Ruin in particular, playing in this ladder, but thats all fine isnt it.

I played on Desolation from the start, was in WvW pretty much every minute I was in game, and when Ruin came over, I joined them as they were doing a good job in WvW, and they were trying to work well with existing guilds, like IRON.
Deny it all you want, but Desolation has a lot of unguilded players, and little guilds, that were not, and do not, pull their weight in WvW, but still wanted the glory from winning.
I saw a lot of these people in map or team chat, spout crap like “why bother, Ruin will nightcap everything and we will win anyway”, and you wonder why Ruin left and went to a server that has enough coverage already, so Ruin do not have to carry the server?

Ah well, at least now Im done with Desolation, done with this WvWvW, maybe done with this game.

I have two full stacks of them in the bank, and all 8 of my characters have 100 each on them as well.
I have done the JP’s and opened the chests a few times, but most of my badges are from loot bags.
I guess its like the black lion keys, some people claim they do not drop, as the only one they have ever received was from quest completion, while other people have a few of them.

Syndic.4762:

A number of WvW guilds, including my own, have agreed not to participate in this WvW week. We believe BT can achieve 1st place without us, and we don’t want to be associated with xenophobic trolling of French servers.

After this week is over and PS2 comes out, we will review if the situation has changed for the better in WvW and consider our options regarding BT.

Being associated with xenophobic trolling of a single guild is fine though?

And before a forum mod infracts me for this post, as it is off topic, it is as on topic as the post I am replying to……

Even then, when you have evidence, such as VS and AS standing next to each other, defending SM, not attacking each other, but attacking players from the third server, or you see the exact same guild names on both of those servers, the two allied servers will just claim it is BS, not happening.

At the end of the day, if two servers decide to work together to try to beat the third server in the matchup, there is nothing that can be done to stop them trying to do it.

spiritus.7983:

Excession.2198:

Another part of the problem is Dev focus, think of it like this, 1 million players take part in the PVE aspect of the game, and of those 1 million players, 1 percent take part in, and focus mainly on WvWvW.
Who, as a Dev, would you focus on making, and keeping, happy?

I not saying to not make pve-ers happy. they can have all the gears, skills, pumpkins, dungeons or whatever they like. Not saying to take away something from that million of pve-ers.

Just saying to give us www players something too. WITHOUT destroying WWW by making a major change to fk up. Karma+badges its ok in my opinion. a www player shoud have enough of it, there are already implemented in game so I see no problem, Just put a NPC who sells equivalent a*scended and we are fine (I am fine), happy to fight

Dont get me wrong, I agree with you, they need to give WvWvW some love too, I was just pointing out what I feel is part of the problem.

Kyris.4285:

A bunch of the big guilds on Desolation decided to jump ship & join the winning server (Blacktide EU), and now it’s gonna be like this every week:
http://i.imgur.com/DaEds.jpg

I think it’s a shame that people these days don’t have the honor/sportsmanship to stick with their team even when they’re losing.

I really can’t imagine why anyone would find this enjoyable, just transferring to the winning server every week

Oh well…

Last time I checked, Guild Wars 2 was a video game, something people play for Fun
As far as honor and sportmanship to stick with their team goes, Ruin showed exactly that, by staying with Ruin and transferring.

Some people complained about Ruin joining Desolation, now some people complain about them leaving Desolation, in all honesty, the only thing this has made clear to everyone, is that no matter what happens, some people will complain.

I think part of the problem with WvWvW, is that Anet seem to feel it is NOT PvP related content, only PVE.
Just look at patch notes, you see two types of changes in them, non-tagged and PVP only tagged, yet the PVP changes do not apply to WvWvW.
For example:
*Grenades
*The projectile speed of all grenades has been increased by 10-15%.
*Grenade: This skill’s damage has been decreased by 10% in PvP only.

And another example:
*Thief
*Dancing Dagger: This skill’s damage has been reduced by 50%.
*Cloak and Dagger: This skill’s damage has been reduced by 33% in PvP only.

While WvWvW is treated as the red-headed step child of PVE, it is not going to improve.

Another part of the problem is Dev focus, think of it like this, 1 million players take part in the PVE aspect of the game, and of those 1 million players, 1 percent take part in, and focus mainly on WvWvW.
Who, as a Dev, would you focus on making, and keeping, happy?

Skoti.3195:

TBH I keep finger crossed for Arborstone. Next week might be really interesting and I’d love to see french servers working together. BT would face real challange at long last

Actually, no, not quite.

Even if Arbor do move back up, and if both FR servers try to work together against BT, they just do not have enough coverage 24/7.
Sure, they might be able to do enough so that during FR primetime BT’s point gain is 0, but outside of that few hours, BT will easily make enough to cover and overcome that point gain deficit anyway.

It is all a moot point anyway, as according to the FR servers themselves, they cannot work together, they tried previously, and failed.

Oh, and to those that are still crying about Ruin, and server transfers, get over it already, you are acting like Ruin stole your lunch money.

Have you actually watched a tower or keep gate, while it is being attacked?

I have, and while it is being attacked, it moves, backwards and forwards.

If people are facerubbing the gate, and the gate moves towards them at speed, due to being hit with a catapult, what do you think is going to happen?

The outcome of this matchup is plain to see, BT will win, VS will be second, Deso will drop to T2.
Next week will be interesting though.
When Deso drop to T2, it looks like Arbor will jump back to T1, so it will be two FR servers possibly working together, while claiming they are not working together, against BT.

Sird.4536:

Modeus.7924:

OK to set the record straight RUIN is not going anywhere. Most of us have been running non stop for the last 3 weeks putting in 12-18 hour days. The majority decided to take the weekend off and relax.
There was no discussion about moving servers, RUIN is staying on Desolation.

Who have you been fighting in those 12-18 hours? The only real challenge was the first week you got into T1. Before that you had no opposition.
VS have been putting in alot of hours to stay in T1 almost since launch yet they continue to fight week in week out. Man up.

First, why are you even posting in this thread? it has absolutely nothing to do with you, considering you are not on any of the servers involved.

Second, you obviously know nothing about Ruin, and how its members play, because if you did, you would know that a lot of the Ruin members have been playing through Desolations off peak hours, staying on and playing through Desolations worst time period in the mornings, and staying on into the afternoon, then logging off for a couple of hours sleep, then doing it all over again.

Now, in case you still dont get it, I will make it real simple for you.

A lot of Ruins members have logged on at around 6pm GMT, played through the night, still been in WvW playing at 7am GMT the next morning, logging off around 1pm GMT that afternoon to get some sleep, then logging back in around 6pm GMT the same evening to do it all over again, and they have done that for two weeks, so yes, some people are taking a break.

But feel free to carry on talking crap about Ruin, it just makes us laugh.

Ruin, so good at what we do, even servers we are not currently matched against have nothing better to do than talk crap about us.

Facing Blacktide again should be good fun, and will hopefully provide the same tough fights that we had last time.

As for whats on the Ruin website, lighten up, learn to take a joke.
@jaghen.8314 : As for not posting it here, the same picture was posted on this forum, in another thread, a few days ago, and it was removed, but go ahead, think what you like ;P

Aimed at Kada Feed.1782 and Aysnvaust.7046

Ok, I will type slowly, use small words, and explain so you can understand.

In my earlier post, you clearly missed the part where AS let VS just walk in and take Stonemist.

I will say it again, AS let VS just walk in and take Stonemist.

Not one single AS player even tried to stop any of VS from taking Stonemist, not one.

It is not the first time they have done this, they did it a few times last week as well.

They say they are not allied, they are not working together, at all, yet they are able to swap Stonemist between the two of them to stop Desolation taking it.

The point I was making in my previous post had nothing at all to do with being attacked by both of them at the same time, but you obviously missed it.

Wake up, get a clue.

In other news, VS and AS are not working together, they do not have an alliance, in any way, shape or form…….

Earlier today, Desolation had control of Stonemist, VS had a trebuchet up in Klovan, and in Wild Creek, and were hitting the wall on the western side of it, while AS had a few trebs up, hitting the wall at the northern end of it, and both VS and AS succeeded in knocking down sections of the outer wall.

Desolation paid no attention to this, as it really did not matter much, both VS and AS sent people in, who proceeded to run around on top of the outer wall, not really doing anything apart from make us laugh as we opened large amounts of loot bags..

VS then decided to start taking down the southern inner gate, while AS decided to start taking down the north eastern inner gate, after much complaining from Desolation because they could not place any seige on the inner wall with which to defend these attacks, VS broke through and were wiped easily in the lords room, followed by AS, who also were wiped easily, VS broke in again, as did AS, and both servers managed to get some people upstairs.

After roughly two hours of holding back both servers, Desolation were finally wiped out in the lords room, and AS took control of Stonemist.

Desolation proceeded to retake a tower or two that were lost during the Stonemist fight, then went ahead and started to retake Stonemist, by knocking down the south east section of the outer wall, then starting to take down the inner gate on that side.

AS sent many people over to try and stop Desolation, but in a strange turn of events, they did not send any people over to the Great Western Gate, where VS had a few people taking it down, and in another, even stranger turn of events, AS did not send any people over to stop VS attacking an inner gate of their own, instead, they stayed over on the east side of Stonemist, fighting with Desolation, and just let VS walk in, uncontested, and take Stonemist……

It really did neither of them any good in the end, as Desolation regrouped, and went back to Stonemist a few minutes later, and reclaimed control of it from VS.

But please, never forget, VS and AS are not working together, they do not have an alliance in any way, shape, or form…….

Indeed.

Desolation players are having problems trying to place seige, we are getting the message that it cannot be placed here, all the time, even out in the open.

We have lost 4 towers so far, as we cannot place any seige at all to use in defense, yet VS and AS seem to have no problems placing seige to attack with.

This really need to be looked at.

Well, 7 days is definately better, so you are off to a good start.

You also really need to make it so you cannot transfer to a server that your current server is currently fighting.

Same issue here, had no problems at all until earlier today.
I was in WvW, got the ingame message about being ported to Lions Arch due to a new WvW build, then while in Lions Arch, got a message about the client restarting due to a new build.
Since then, I have been losing connection the server at roughly 30 minute intervals.
Very, very annoying, especially when in mid combat, and trying to get back into WvW and getting into a queue.

While it must suck for those that opened a lot of chests and got none of the halloween items, I happened to have 9 keys and 92 chests sat in the bank, so I used all 9 keys, and got the halloween staff skin.

120903-009561

Still the same issue, still not resolved.

Still having issue’s trying to buy gems from the in game store – 120903-009561

120903-009561

Was able to buy gems with no problem, no longer able to now.
Cannot buy them with credit card or paypal now, just gives errors.