Showing Posts For Fantom.9217:
1 2
Just giving my own opinion…this game isn’t getting any better, or more fun….it’s stale, stagnant and if my friends list has any incite to the matter…dying as well.
I think you mean DEAD.
The state of sPVP is that it’s dead and ArenaNet develops slower than Blizzard! I thought that was impossible but I guess not.
Balance is not what killed GW2 PVP. You’re being very shortsighted if you think an individual class’s balance had anything to do with the current state of GW2 PVP.
One class was always going to be more powerful than the rest. If GW2 had the core PVP features that were promised for launch implemented, then the player base would have been willing to wait out imbalances. Hell, if we had gotten them within the first 1-2 months, it would have been ok.
Now we hear that it’s going to be 2013 before we get basic PVP features like matchmaking??? Not to mention private/custom servers, spectator mode, and more PVP game types?
That’s just pathetic. Sorry ArenaNet, you should have put more people on the PVP team if you wanted to make this an esport. And you should have put more people on that team YEARS ago, if this is how long it takes you to code.
Honestly GW2 would have been better off delaying the launch in order to move the entire company onto PVP development, then launched in October/November. Instead they colored the Mists green. Priorities!
ArenaNet has devoted about 7-10 people to sPvP development.
I am pretty sure that is incorrect. I can’t find the post but I remember seeing a list of people and teams working on things associated to sPvP shortly after the chris whitside incident where he said we only have 2 people working on this stuff. I don’t know the exact number and I don’t think the number was clear but I am fairly positive they have more than 10 people working on it.
EDIT: found it https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/The-teams-that-work-on-PvP-WvW-Balance/first#post821794 the list was people working on balance but I am still curious where you got your numbers of 7-10.
The only real developer/programmer that I’ve ever seen posting about PVP is Jonathan Sharp (and maybe Jon Peters occasionally).
2 people sounds about right for the speed at which they implement PVP bug fixes and content (matchmaking, custom servers, ladder, spectator mode, maps, modes).
It’s honestly pathetic, how do put 2 people on PVP and expect your game to be an esport? Do you expect us to be good and just keep playing the same old unranked content for a YEAR or however long it will take you to actually implement BASIC PVP FEATURES?
You need to cut the PVE staff and put them on PVP or just plain hire more people. This is unacceptable (and I’m not just saying that, look at how much your PVP player base has dwindled!).
THE LIST
matchmaking
ranking
custom arenas
leaderboards
spectator mode
daily and monthly tournaments
dueling
stats and scoringAnd now we wait.
Been waiting for those since the first or second Beta Weekend.
Don’t hold your breath. ArenaNet has lost their opportunity to create a competitive PVP game in my opinion.
No one is going to come back to a game that they haven’t played in a year because features that should have been implemented at launch are FINALLY in place.
ArenaNet dropped the ball HARD with GW2. Shouldn’t have launched in August. Hell, if this is the pace that PVP features are being developed at, I’m not sure if GW2 should have been launched until 2013!
I don’t want to hear about how you can’t just throw more people at a problem, PVP in this game was (and continues to be) a CODE RED emergency. Once PVE was done (or at least in the state that it was on August 25th), EVERY SINGLE programmer, artist, and designer at ArenaNet needed to drop what they were doing and work on PVP.
There were (and are) no systems in place that they needed to learn, because we don’t have ladders, we don’t have matchmaking, we don’t have spectator mode, we don’t have private servers, we don’t have multiple game modes! They would have been starting from scratch, and any programmer worth his paycheck should have been able to help.
Then the game should have been launched in October or November, WITH core PVP features ALREADY implemented.
Seriously, what’s the point of even working on PVP features now if you don’t even have enough players to field one tournament at a time, let alone matchmaking that would sort teams by skill?
Sorry, ArenaNet. I was a huge fan, and I stuck with you for a LOT longer than I should have. But we have to move on, the PVP community can’t wait forever. And there are plenty of other games out there that are ACTUALLY COMPLETE. Competitive PVP players don’t just play MMOs, your competition had such a head start that slow as molasses development like this is SUICIDE.
Bye.
Paid tournaments: gems required to participate
WvW: no gems required to participateFrom a business standpoint, it only makes sense to devote the majority of development resources to the profitable aspects of the game. I’m having a vision of empty WvW maps, and it’s a bit worrying.
We’ve seen countless other games with empty maps/zones because developers simply gave up on large scale pvp. I really hope that doesn’t happen to GW2.
Lol it’s not like sPVP is in good shape. It’s pretty much abandoned by Anet. The only thing they’ve managed to do so far is fix a few bugs and promise stuff that was announced pre-release (and that promise took 3 weeks to even be published).
In terms of actually adding CRUCIAL features that sPVP needs to survive… nothing.
How about a thread that isn’t balance whine for a change? Let’s talk glory.
What do you guys spend your glory on? Chests? Gear components for the forge?
If chests, do you always buy gold? Or do you buy a lower type.
Do you spend it at all? Are you saving it for higher ranks?
If you think 100B is useless in PVP, read this thread again.
Hint: the Sword burst skill applies its immobilize at the beginning of the cast, and doesn’t go away if you switch weapons.
Every other Warrior elite is terrible and not worth using.
That’s why it gets used so much.
sword is not a defensive weapon, fyi.
Not sure why you are so hung up on a single weapon set, you should definitely not be playing warrior if you aren’t planning on using multiple weapons. The warrior has the most weapons to choose from of any class.
Also you should know that you aren’t going to be tanking kitten, even with a sword and board. That’s not how this game works. You’re just going to be dead weight (literally dead) if you try to just stand around in melee while kitten hits you in this game.
Anyway, if you want to be the most defensive class that you can be, roll Guardian.
None of those games launched with all of their current features yes. The problem? They have those features right now.
GW2 is severely lacking in features when compared to their current competition. That’s the bottom line. They need to fix ALL of their major missing features and they need to do it FAST. If nothing major has changed by the end of the month, then GW2 is probably toast.
Yup, I purposefully cap a point and leave immediately. It draws the enemy to the point that I just took and I can then run off to another point that they just left undefended and take it. And the cycle continues.
If you are farming glory then there is literally no reason to play smart or defend. It’s so sad.
I don’t understand why ArenaNet is ruining literally every legitimate sPVP game because of the fear of a few bots. Has anyone ever even seen a bot in sPVP? I play late at night, during the day, and in prime time. Never seen anyone that is botting.
All you need to do to fix botting is to introduce a report feature. There is NO EXCUSE for not rewarding defensive (i.e. smart) play. The current meta game is absurd, but until ANet changes it I’m going to zerg and ninja cap with the best of them.
Ladder/matchmaking/leaderboards are by far the #1 feature that is needed in this game. Frankly it’s pathetic that these features aren’t in the game and aren’t even going to be the next feature to be implemented.
How can you even have a PVP community if people don’t know who is out there? If they don’t have any way to judge their skill in relation to the player base as a whole? If you have no way to actually play against people that are on your level?
All the features and game modes in the world don’t matter if there is no community to actually play the game.
No one here is complaining about stat progression in PVP…. literally no one.
I have seen maybe 2 people ask for that in all the time that I’ve been following GW2. And they were both heavily shot down by the vast majority of the community.
The problem that the majority of the community has is that PVP is unfinished as hell, and that ArenaNet isn’t working fast enough.
I’m sorry, but you don’t get an endless pass on no feature implementation just because “you’re working on it.” There is a certain development speed that is expected in ANY project, software or otherwise. ArenaNet is NOT meeting that speed requirement right now.
edit:
What you don’t understand is that GW2 was likely not a good match for a great deal of those people.
People that want a ranking/ladder/leaderboard/matchmaking and spectator mode right now are NOT unsuited for GW2. Saying that this isn’t the game for them is absurd.
(edited by Fantom.9217)
and thus Guild Wars 2 will share the same, glorious fate of that Guild Wars 1 did.
0% complainers, %100 players.
and it was a beautiful fate, indeed.
I really really hate people that don’t care about a shrinking community. Maybe YOU would be happy with a single player game because you’re the last person on earth that enjoys the game, but no one else is.
I’m sorry, but it’s incredibly selfish to not care that the majority of your fellow players (or player base from the perspective of a developer) is unhappy with the status quo and are quitting like flies.
Superior Rune of the Pirate
5% chance to shout Yarr and grant Might to nearby allies when hit.
my character never shout Yarr :/
Dude. ArenaNet, not cool. You’re denying this guy his “Yarrr.” Make this bug fix top priority.
5 signets is terrible in a group setting. Bottom line.
Nah, you can do explorables just fine in greens + exotic weapon.
A full set of greens is like 15 silver, plus 2-3g for an exotic weapon and another 1g for some 2nd tier sigils (the yellow ones).
You can easily do any explorable in that gear.
Silly topic. Bunker and support and defensive builds/traits/gear is completely viable on a number of classes.
Not to mention there’s more to this game than PVP.
Ele are the 2nd best bunker prof in the game, imo.
Pair them with anyone else on a point and that point will NEVER be overturned unless the entire enemy team shows up (in which case they’ll lose the rest of the map).
Quickness is essential to this game’s survival as an esport.
GW2 needs MORE cooldowns like quickness, not less.
Cooldowns that force a reaction or punish a mistake are CRUCIAL for a competitive video game. Players must have tools that they can use to punish sloppy or slow enemy players.
Reaction time, APM, and decision making under pressure are 3 skills that quickness rewards, and slow/bunker play does not. Those are the types of skills that you MUST reward if you want to create a successful esport.
Vengeance should have a 100% chance to rally if you kill something in PvE
in Warrior
Posted by: Fantom.9217
I’m not sure what you’re smoking Dante, maybe you’re thinking purely in terms of PVE?
In PVP:
Rangers, Eles, and Necro have the worst downed state.
Warrior, Engineer, Mesmer, Guardian have middle tier to good downed state.
Thief has the best downed state.
I was really hoping to get the PVP blog post today. Very disappointed that it hasn’t shown up yet.
If it isn’t up by the end of the week……… this player base is going to go kittening nuts.
Happened to me once last night out of ~20 games.
We were already more than halfway done (on Capricorn) so I just sat on the loading screen for 5 minutes and leeched.
When the next round started the loading screen changed and I was able to play like normal. It didn’t happen again.
Thieves and quickness are fine. They have counters, and honestly the game needs more cooldowns like quickness that you are forced to react to, not less.
Cooldowns that speed up the game or punish mistakes (like not having any outs) are perfect for GW2 as an esport.
I think almost every class should have access to quickness, tbh.
This pistol whip nerf is hilarious. I already didn’t die to thieves except 2v1 or right after a 1v1 when I had no health/cooldowns. Thieves are going to get phased out of the meta so fast once people realize that there are superior roamers out there. Glass cannon thieves are so squishy it isn’t even funny.
There’s nothing wrong with quickness or burst builds. So long as the enemy has an opportunity to respond and must make at least 1 mistake to die, short TTL is ideal from an esport perspective.
Short TTL means that you need high APM, great reaction time, and mistake-free decision making under pressure. Every esport AND regular sport is based on this philosophy.
Long TTL is boring, doesn’t require high APM, and allows you to recover from mistakes (i.e. sloppy play isn’t punished).
Who do you want to be at the top of your esport, DRG/MVP/MKP or Goody/Incontrol?
If you don’t like the enemy’s burst builds, copy him and use his own build against him.
I love fighting Thieves. So kittening squishy.
The only time that they ever actually hurt me is if I’m fighting someone else and get 2v1d or if they run up right after a kill and I have literally no cooldowns up or half HP.
I think fights in many cases go on TOO LONG, actually.
PVP should be fast-paced and punishing when you make a mistake. When you can live for minutes at a time, there is such a low skill cap. You can be lazy and slow and still live for forever.
Think about competitive FPS and RTS and Dota games. You die in .1 to 2 seconds in a normal shooter. This promotes constant awareness and extreme “twitch” skills. This gives the genre a high skill cap. This is the opposite of long TTL pvp in an MMO where you might be pressing as little as 1 button every 1.5 seconds.
When you think about RTS, you might think to say “what, games last 20+ minutes!” but remember that a player isn’t controlling a single unit. A good RTS player must spend as little time as possible on a single unit or engagement. APM is incredibly important, with good pros reaching 300+ APM. Everything is rapid fire, an engagement or harass must be responded to in seconds or you will lose. Again, this is the opposite of long TTL MMO PVP.
In Dota games, we have the comparison of Dota vs. LoL. In LoL the average nuke damage:HP ratio is much smaller than Dota’s, which promotes longer TTL. Also, towers (PVE) are much stronger and harder to penetrate, which promotes easy escaping. As a result, LoL games are often slower paced than Dota and have 20% of the players doing PVE (jungling) for the first 10-20 minutes. In comparison, a Dota game will often have players constantly ganking (roamers) or trying to engage right from the first minute. Fights and kill counts can be as high as 1/minute in some pro games, and everyone must be much more “on edge” due to the lack of a free blink and the existence of TP scrolls.
GW2 PVP can be even more slow paced than LoL, when everyone isn’t facerolling around in glass vs. glass fights. In fact it rewards this by being a king of the hill objective type!
If the developers want this game to become an esport, they need to make sure that kills can happen at any time, on ANYONE.
I’m not saying that they should make damage unavoidable, but a mistake needs to KILL you, and for that we need damage builds to be good.
Immobilize is very strong purely because it is on a low cooldown compared to most knockdowns and stuns.
I really, REALLY think that you should be able to dodge while immobilized.
I agree, but I don’t think a huge win bonus will change anything.
For one that ruins glory for the losing side, they’ll just start leaving halfway through, and anyone that gets auto-balanced will be annoyed too.
For another I don’ t think that will cure people of being upset when they sit defending a point the whole game and the guy running around neutralizing and killing gets more glory. Unless it’s something like 5000 for a win and 300 for being a killing machine, which would be absurd.
So putting aside win bonus, I completely agree. You need to remove skirmisher, I honestly don’t know what it means. It needs to be a reward for fighting on a neutral point when the enemy is there.
You also need to be rewarded for defense and for sticking on a point while in combat. This is BADLY needed.
kitten the AFK/botter argument, a simple report option can take care of extreme situations. Considering that because of the format of this objective mode being AFK on a point is a good thing, they have no right to complain when people do exactly that.
If you don’t fight back when an enemy shows up then you won’t keep the point very long, that balances other factors.
But because the only game mode is this king of the hill stuff, someone running to a point and standing there is perfect play.
Kill Shot is literally the easiest spell in the game to completely avoid.
If the Warrior is hidden in the middle of a group of 15, then why the kitten does 1 hit matter? 15 people are going to kill you extremely easily no matter what!
Sigils for weapon swapping already have cooldowns btw (because Elementalists get the effect when swapping attunements and Warriors can reduce the cooldown of swapping by 6 seconds).
So, is sPvP basically only for Necros, Mesmers, Thieves, and Elementalists?
in PvP
Posted by: Fantom.9217
Every class has a good spec in sPVP. I’ve played them all.
You need to figure out what the other classes do. You’re behind the curve right now, because there’s no real ladder system that will separate players based on skill level.
That means that you need to do prep work, lots and lots of prep work. Figure out how the other classes work, what their weaknesses are.
Make alts, spec and gear then out (customize!), then play with them in sPVP.
SC2 players don’t whine because they ARE getting something for playing. SC2 is an e-sport because it is well balanced. You play for rating, just like in WoW arena. I don’t see any such system beneath 5v5 in GW2. I was hoping there would be 3v3 arena and hopefully 2v2…
Do not compare Gw2 to WoW.
Arena pvp in Cata was tremendously unbalanced, and from what i understand, the same thing is occuring in MoP.
Yea but we aren’t playing Cata WoW or MoP WoW for that reason. What we want is for GW2 to give us that same reason why we played TBC WoW and WotLK WoW. A ranked ladder and fun PVP (arenas).
Blizzard ruined arenas in Cata, but that doesn’t mean that they weren’t great PVP before that. GW2 was supposed to do even better, because WoW isn’t focused on PVP at all and GW2 is. GW2 has NOT delivered on that front so far.
You guys realize there are no levels in pvp right? Just ranks….I dont even think there is a level 80 rank.
There is, there are vendors up to 80 so far.
There are NPCs for 90, 100, and 110 as well. They’re just disabled atm.
It’s great for leveling. Not so great at 80.
You should definitely use a Longbow for solo questing/leveling instead of a rifle.
It’s far superior pre-80.
Bunker/support Elementalists are kittening amazing, and have insane survivability.
Go staff, water and arcane talents. Pow/Tough/Vit/Healing stats (different mixes are fine), and cantrips for utility.
Sit on points and be invincible unless 3+ people get on you. Hey look that’s how you score and win in PVP in this game.
If you have a partner on the point with you it’s even better and you’re even more invincible.
I die an average of once per sPVP match and win the vast majority of my games.
I don’t have an 80 Elementalist, but I have grouped with a berserker-based one in explorables. He did incredible amounts of damage and destroyed everything. Ranged AOE is very powerful in PVE in this game.
Overall Elementalists are fine.
My bunker Elementalist is hilariously awesome in PVP. I have no problems with the attunement system.
I die about once per match, and only when 3+ people get on me. I can hold a point for forever against 1-2. Give me an ally and we will clear out any number of enemies and I’ll get credit for all the kills.
I get plenty of glory for taking points, defending them, and tagging enemies.
Overally, Elementalist is fine in PVP assuming that you are playing a defensive-based spec that holds objectives (hey look that’s how you win at PVP) and spams AOE.
Funny, that’s exactly the reason why Warrior is my main.
I honestly don’t see anything wrong with a burst heavy meta. It’s not like anyone is stopping you from speccing burst, just mirror the other team if you’re so upset about how they spec.
Fast paced PVP requires much more skill than slow paced PVP where you’re in no danger of dying. Look at an FPS. It doesn’t take more than a second to kill someone in 99% of the FPS out there, and they’re considered some of the most competitive video games of all time.
Even an RTS like Starcraft is incredibly fast paced. The top players have literally 300+ actions per minute. How can you even hope to approach that skill cap in an MMO when fights are slow and take literally 60+ seconds to get a single kill?
And relying on king of the hill/capture modes is just a cop out. There’s nothing unskilled about being better than your opponent at a deathmatch, especially when you have access to exactly the same classes, skills, and stats as the enemy.
People that cling to “objective” as the only viable playstyle are just trying to cover up for sucking at direct conflict and not having the speed/reaction time/twitch skills to beat an enemy 1v1.
That’s why I spend most of my time ninjaing the point where the zerg isn’t at.
You get a lot of 1 on 1 battles that way.
All this means is that Necromancers are the best at tagging kills and Mesmers/Thieves are the worst.
I kept getting “obstructed” messages from these roots and couldn’t kill them. They were taking damage from some kind of DoT (the 186 tick), but my #1 was NOT hitting.
Currently, the camera is one of GW2’s weakest features, and unlike many other problems/bugs that need to be fixed, the camera is a persistent problem that exists for all players, at all times, from the moment they first log in until they log out. This persistent element alone makes fixing/altering the camera priority number-one for the majority of players. I personally feel that fixing the camera-related issues is the most important change Arena Net could possibly make at this time to ensure future success of this game. Making movement, and specifically the way the camera behaves, as natural as possible is the key to making the entire game feel right while making it an enjoyable experience for everyone.
No, I completely disagree. Please don’t talk as if you speak for me or “all players.”
The camera is perfectly fine except for maybe a few minor issues. I certainly am not bothered by it “at all times, from the moment I log in until I log out.”
And I absolutely don’t think that “fixing the camera-related issues is the most important change Arena Net could possibly make at this time to ensure future success of this game.”
Enough with the hyperbole, there are a TON of much bigger issues that need to be addressed before undergoing some kind of massive CAMERA rework.
They never said that the best aesthetic gear wouldn’t require a grind. Actually they specifically said that it WOULD require a grind.
If you don’t want to put in the time to get it, just buy green or yellow gear for a fraction of the cost and have -10 stats (out of 2000). 10 precision is NOT going to make a difference in the content that you can successfully complete.
And it’s your fault for not listening to what they had to say before the game launched. They said that this gear would take a long time to get VERY CLEARLY.
warrior: skill 2 knocks down foes, prevents them from being finished off by a large number of foes as soon as the warrior is downed
Nah, it knocks down 1 foe. If 2 people start the kill on a Warrior, he can’t do anything to not die unless his 3 is already off cooldown (unlikely, since the CD is like 3x the cast time of a finisher).
Devona’s Rest is no Kaineng, I’ll say that. We own even Kaineng in a normal matchmaking setup (until midnight at least). But really there are only 2 servers that we’re better than, Kaineng and Ferguson’s Crossing (together we’re the bottom 3 ranked WvW servers).
The problem is that the matchmaking recently started breaking us up instead of rematching us day after day. And now that the 1 week matches have started, we get kitten like this….
Northern Shiverpeaks 650, Kaineng 25, Devona’s Rest 20
I really don’t think your matchmaking system is ready for weeklong battles, ArenaNet. This is the first day of WvW and it’s incredibly unlikely that anything will change over the next 144 hours. For one, DR has never been an offpeak server, that’s why we’re down at the bottom! So this point in time is actually when we’re STRONGEST. We had a good chunk of the map right when the battle started, hence the 20k points. But we don’t hold anything after midnight. So… what exactly are we supposed to be doing?
You don’t get kitten for a reward when you can’t cap anything, unbalanced maps just means you’re basically AFKing at your spawn.
Here’s a bonus screenshot, from our own borderlands. This was the sight that I saw when we had the nerve to take a mere supply camp that sits behind our own central keep:
Eredon Terrace 560 > Isle of Janthir 70 > Sea of Sorrows 65
Beat that!
No problem…
Northern Shiverpeaks 650, Devona’s Rest 25, Kaineng 20
:/
This definitely need to happen. Especially since you don’t really see any new weapon skills past level 10 or so.
1 2