Guild Wars 2

Meh, frankly I wish they’d have a non-deity related racial skill, something that humans actually have as a species to contend with the other races. My human main is actually an agnostic over never experiencing the gods and how little intervention they’ve had on the world and hours of useless “prayers” (hint hint -.-)

Irena.1062:

Hmm not particularly considering he’s a pretty boy who does nothing but preen his feathers instead of being a hero. Logan Thackery on the other hand…

Meh, tbh, i’ve found almost all of the humans to be rather one dimensional, even logan…how long can we keep up the (somewhat) tragic human shtick? Gwen was a tragic heroine in GW, and even then, she had another dimension: her deep hatred and rage for the charr, her refusal to show weakness, and how she felt after the losses of her friends and family throughout the game. Same with Faren = narcissism :/

I do love his hilarity though, he at least has that over logan

Atlas.9704:

Make Countess Anise the Queen.
Okay I’m done. That’s all I need.

THANK YOU!!!! So i’m not the only one who thinks so…

Frankly, I’ve always hated the Mary Sue-ness of the Queen, Anise at least takes the duty-bound, hard chick role and she and Logan already have a strong report. We could make it so that the queen is an illusion Anise cast, and it’s really anise that is casting all the illusions. Or vice versa, and it’s really queen jennah who is anise…just something different in their characterizations, because frankly the humans characterizations have been very boring so far. Really, I’ve only come close to actually liking Anise or Lord Faren (and that’s just cause Faren is hilarious) and even then, I feel slight affection towards them currently. Just a real lack of character complexities, all the characters feel very one dimensional.

So glad to see faren, props to Anet for bringing in his lovable idiocy out of the personal story and into the overworld, hope to see more of him and the other personal story characters out and about.

Just wished he remembered human nobles :/ … Oh well, can’t have everything!! (<- is passive aggressive XD)

I chose the poor background, but i love the lord faren’s idiocy (the dialogue between him and kasmeer = priceless). I am disappointed that lord faren doesn’t show more recognition to noble humans, but it’s not a huge deal to me, though i reeeeeaaaaaaaalllly hope that they continue to bring back characters from the personal story into the overworld. I really wanna see my bro quinn again, he’s one of the few npc’s that doesn’t show up in the home instance even if you save him. My worry is, for some people, quinn died, so i’m wondering if they can bring him back into the story somehow while still acknowledging those that didn’t save him. Maybe have some different dialogue saying they’re a different quinn that has never met them b4? Or maybe a different skin for him when they approach? XP

We’re mainly talking lower lvl areas. The ppl who don’t have elites, or all their skills slots mainly, so they don’t have all the tools to combat them effectively, so no they are NOT Solo content if we can’t kill them in less than a group of 3 in a starter zone.

The ppl who insist they are soloable are talking the higher lvl areas, or are simply not lvling/making a toon during the event. There appears to be a problem with the scaling, as they far outmuscle and outlive any other normal mobs in the area. I feel like we’re punished right now for making or lvling a new toon during this event. Which is a shame, as I was looking to get some skins for some toons.

cargan.5689:

Problem is as badger pointed out low lvls get socks high levels get jumpers, most skins take 150 socks but only 100 jumpers apart from the fact that on my 80 guardian most things are a face roll but on my leveling mesmer the one i actually want things like princess wands the fights are tougher.

Both may get the same number of drops but the low level get shorted at the vendor.

Not to mention that lvling or making a toon now feels like they are getting punished for christmas. I’ve given up on this event entirely as their new plan for “endgame” for higher lvl toons only

First, while I agree to the self-entitlement thing, the argument that they don’t have to give us an event is stale. YES THEY DO, otherwise, this game will get boring and die. Even WoW does it, every mmo (worth mentioning) does, so to stay competitive and keep us playing YES THEY DO.

Now that that is cleared up. Yes I agree this is a gold sink, but they are entitled to price their product as they want, as well as set up the acquisition of items, skins, tonics, and minis. Tho frankly the lvl of difficulty for the toys is unreal, they far exceed any normal mobs, especially in the lower lvl zones (never had to repair so much, I’ve given up making/lvling new toons until this event is over). So I agree that I think that should be nerfed severely, if not removed entirely, to keep me even interested in this event in the future.

At the same time, you get what you put in. So less QQ, moar pewpew

oh, and the removal of ascended gear would be nice too…so I don’t want you to give me anything, see how nice i’m being?! 0 :]

Dear Toymaker Tixx,

This year I just want one thing:

The complete and utter discontinuation/genocide of your damn princess dolls.

If I never see them again, maybe I’ll come back next Wintersday, instead of scheduling a vacation in Orr (anywhere to keep those damn dolls away).

Faulty

the uprising.6317:

John Lucier.5486:

Jasher.6580:

My friends and I love these changes. And I am almost certain that most of the people whining are the GW1, GW2Guru guys. lol

You and your friends are 1%.

I can say 1% of the population only, likes the changes, because even if it is a little off, if you count the guarentee that they will be out of this game within a few months and back to WoW, it is like they never exist in this game in the first place.
The 1% that destroyed an MMO genre

Lol no they are not, this was something wanted by the majority of mmo gamers, as someone said previously, gear grind is only a real problem in pve or if new content becomes barred off b/c you didn’t grind enough.

Think about it, you wanted a game that was basically like every single player game, with a clear end and basically no more progression, even though the game has basically been about progression up until you get exotics. In your eyes why have progression at all? Why don’t you play orcs must die 2 on 1 level a thousand times without unlocking anything if you want games with absolutely no progression? Jesus you aren’t even in the right genre if you don’t like progression, there is tons of progression, I’m not level 80 yet so I can’t do all the lvl 80 dungeons, that is progression that bars me from parts of the game. Do I come here and cry about it? No I’m glad that there’s so much of the game left for me to work towards, and I was taking it slow b/c I thought previously there was literally nothing when I hit 80, now I know there is so I’ll be going full speed.

“gear grind is only a real problem in pve or if new content becomes barred off b/c you didn’t grind enough”

Gear grind affects all aspects of the game, as I’ve stated before, as it impacts your viability in PvP and dungeons, and no one likes being told that they can’t enjoy all aspects of the game. Also, new content is being barred, Agony is a gating mechanic, no two ways about it, and we can probably expect it elsewhere as they release more content, otherwise they’re trivializing the new content they’re putting out and making it worthless (they’re offering it in WvW…that should set off some flags). FOTM already trivializes all the original dungeons (almost impossible to get another run in…who wants to do exp mode when you can just do FOTM to farm for Ascended gear)

Thank you for ur comment, i’ve never seen such a prime example of a rabid troll raging in it’s natural environment. Rage more, I like it (one of the best parts of the WoW forums)

Gombar.7324:

And still nothing from ANet about the course of this…..getting disheartening here.

I keep checking here just because I’m looking for them to address this. Then I see something someone posts and it basically triggers me to put in my two cents. This kittentorm/exodus would probably slow, if not stop, if they would just address this with an announcement from the Actual ANET team on the various concerns we’re bringing up (gating, killing dynamic world PvE and dungeons by homogenizing endgame into 1 dungeon, power creep, etc.) Of course, they could put out another PR, and we’d launch another kittentorm over that. Or the points i brought up above are what they originally intended, so they really don’t care about everyone on this forum. I’m beginning to think it’s the latter…

Eder.9120:

ASB.4295:

There is no middle ground, just as you can’t say someone’s “a little bit dead”, or “a little bit pregnant”. There is no “a bits treadmilly” with infusions. It is one. There is no middle ground.

Technically you are right.

But the fact is, stats creep is only a real problem for competitive gaming, i.e. WvW. That is what most people are annoyed about. We don’t want to keep grinding just to compete on an equal footing. It is just not fun or fair competing when it’s not on equal grounds – can you imagine a football game where 1 team has full armor and the other has to just wear jocks? Or a tennis match where one person can have a top of the line graphite racket and the other guy only gets a wooden one?

It’s not so much a problem for PvE in my opinion, as it’s not competitive, it’s cooperative. Doesn’t matter if not everyone is fully geared, as long as the job still gets done. Plus as pointed out by others, it’s optional. Don’t want to bother with the agony crap? Don’t do agony dungeons.

A lot of people have been brainwashed into thinking the WoW way is the only way, when it’s clearly not. Legendaries were identical statwise, with only a cool skin. Yet tons of people were willing to jump through the many hoops to get it. I wasn’t at all interested, but it was fine, it didn’t affect WvW at all. See how that works? People who want to do it, can do it. Others who don’t want to, don’t need to because it doesn’t affect the competition. And the fact that people were willing do the grind or pay money just to get cool skins shows that bling is all that’s needed for motivation. No need for stats creep.

There are TONS of other MMOs with endless grinds – WoW, Aion, Lineage you name it. This MMO was meant to be different. THIS is why a lot of people bought this game. And this is why a lot of people are now upset.

When they tell you gear is optional, it really isn’t. I don’t know too many people who strictly do PvE, normally they’re trying to experience different aspects of the game, such as dungeons or some pvp on the side, so this patch still impacts them as a gating mechanic and it still makes it harder for them as they aren’t “fully geared” ("ur taking on a vet in exotics? u noob, ur doing it wrong, kittenolol).

But really that’s neither here nor there. The real point I’m trying to make is that players will always aspire to the highest level of gear. Why? Partially to avoid the dialogue I gave above, but also for the added security in tackling new content and to also have the option of trying new play styles in the future. They don’t want to be told they will never have the chance to rock at PvP later down the road, people LIKE keeping their options open. Therefore, while there is such a thing as “optional” gear, noone will see it as such.

Another thing is, if they’re offering this gear outside of the dungeons anyhow, you can bet we’re going to see the Agony applied in other areas of the game as well: Wwhy would they suddenly offer it to WvW if they’re not going to use it there?

Vorch.2985:

I’m ok with this new tier because they said it bridges the gap between acquiring an exotic and acquiring a legendary.

I will NOT be ok if they add another tier to bridge ascended and legendary. That means that they were just BSing me.

IMO, they are fixing a flaw which existed. It may not be the best way, but I’m willing to give it a go.

It’s the second one, ascended has nothing to do with legendaries other than being another block in the way. You don’t NEED ascended gear to get Legendary gear, acquisition is not in the equation at all.

ASB.4295:

FaultWeeyam.4302:

Link or it didn’t happen, I’ve only seen the one PR announcement bs pretty much saying they’re going to ignore the negative comments and go through with it anyways. It would have been better if they’d said nothing at all instead of trying to forcefeed us their lies.

One of the FoV threads got merged into the patch feedback thread, but Colin J’s post is still there:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Patch-Feedback-merged-1/page/6

And Martin K’s reply on another thread with the same subject:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Oh-no-zooming-they-made-it-worse-for-me/first#post755059

Ah , I thought u were talking about anymore announcements about this topic, not in general, my mistake. I won’t deny that Anet has been interactive in the past, but that was something where the dev’s and players weren’t this divided. And i’ve had too much experience in the past with businesses to simply credit a company based on history alone. In this case, it devs vs players, which can only be concluded in 2 ways: The players stop paying, killing the game and forcing the devs to do something or the devs go through with it and player quietly accept it. From the number of posts here, there is absolutely no way this will be quiet.

ASB.4295:

Andlat Helsonr.1284:

If a thread with 190 pages of responses is dismissed and seen as the voice of the vocal minority.. then why have a forum as a mean of receiving feedback at all ?

I don’t know what you mean. Just yesterday the main PR guy and the lead game designer responded in a thread about how to change the new FoV back to the old one after 10 minutes. :|

Link or it didn’t happen, I’ve only seen the one PR announcement bs pretty much saying they’re going to ignore the negative comments and go through with it anyways. It would have been better if they’d said nothing at all instead of trying to forcefeed us their lies.

Khados.8147:

Urxx.6840:

I’m a bit old to rage-quit, but I haven’t played since they announced the introduction of ascended gear. And that’s not because I wanted to boycott them or anything, it’s just I don’t have the same drive to log on and play.

This fiasco has demotivated me completely. Instead of being excited for the new content (which I was before I read of the brand new threadmill) I’m looking at the GW2 icon but I don’t really feel any will to double-click it.

This is exactly me too Urxx. What a shame they did this, completely demotivating.

Same. I logged on once, but was so completely demotivated, i logged off 5 min later. What normally captivated me for hours depressed me out in 5 minutes

Logun.2349:

Cyanous.4597:

To be honest, I rarely bother to write on forums, but this is just ridiculous.

I can’t understand the amount of anger or distrust that the simple addition of new optional content to the game is creating. No one is or will ever force you to go to the new dungeon or get the new gear, nor you need the new gear to be competitive at any other aspect of the game. The supposed 8% increase to your stats will mean next to nothing in most aspects of the game.

This dungeon seems to be for people that want to try their hand at something that gets progressively harder, both for bragging rights and for the possible rewards that this will yield. If you enjoy this kind of test, now you should be happy. If you don’t, you can still skip the dungeon without being penalized in any way.

This is not the beginning of a gear treadmill, nor it is the end of GW as it stands. If you think it is, maybe you are missing the point that ArenaNet has been trying to adhere to much more than other company: play the game however you want it and have fun.

You enjoy crafting? Go ahead. Dungeons? Sure. Hate those but enjoy trying PvP? Do some WvWvW or tournaments or what have you. Just enjoy the game.

If none of these aspects really interests you, then take a break and stop playing. Being a free to play game, you can always come back whenever you feel like it and dive back into it without having to worry or pay for checking things out to see if things changed to your liking.

They can’t please everybody, but they are doing quite a good job in giving most people a good variety of options to deal with so that they can play however they like.

I will definitely give the new dungeon a shot. If it is not something I enjoy doing, I won’t do it and move to something else. It’s that simple.

It’s going to be more than an 8% increase since we know now that infusion are going to have stats as well. And if you read back a bit you’ll see on the Reddit post they are not confirming that this will be the last gear level increase we’ll see. They also said the rest of the end game New and existing content will be adjusted for the new tier. So you will need this gear for open world endgame content.

Done. I Quit. This is the worst thing that could have ever possibly happened: They have automatically said “you can’t play our game if you do get our gear.” And this will be a grind like you wouldn’t believe, something, I’m not going to tolerate.

Pants.8315:

Sennar.2309:

tkalamba.2541:

Sennar.2309:

Can we have an official answhere?I think that at this points guys, the game don’t come back to their phylosophy.Why you are here only to delete post like mine before and don’t give us a real answhere?

Read this http://www.guildwars2hub.com/guides/basics/complete-guide-fractals-mists#.UKT2QkeP4Po.reddit

Full breakdown in new mechanics

I don’t need a guide to new dungeon, i’m an 6 years old player of Gw1, following gw2 whit every blog post, interview etc, and no one devs of arenanet said that they will introduce this time of progression whit gear.In gw1 you don’t need to to dungeon for equip against a condition whit some better gear than the outhers dungeons.We are more people here against this kitten meccanics, you think that we are all stupid and we can’t learn and read somethings about this?

I think perhaps you do need to read it, it’s actually quiet interesting.

Also, please spell check, punctuate, and format your posts. Your post reflects your statement “i’m an 6 years old player”…

Edit:Typo.

I read it, and frankly, all it really did was confirm many of my fears, not that I don’t think I’ll be able to do the content, but because, again, they’ve done nothing to address the negative commentary and address the future of gear.

Also, if we’re being nitpicky: “it’s actually quiet entertaining.” Hey, I can edit too!

Drunken Mad King.8193:

Sennar.2309:

Can we have an official answhere?I think that at this points guys, the game don’t come back to their phylosophy.Why you are here only to delete post like mine before and don’t give us a real answhere?

They aren’t going to come on here and speak about it. They are just going to jam this system down the throats of their customer base and see the effect on it’s customer base and revenue stream. If it’s too negative of an effect they will back track.

Don’t expect much from them as far as communication and honestly don’t believe much that comes from them. They haven’t been upfront about this and I doubt they ever will.

The 24th should be an interesting time for all, wonder how many will stick to their conviction /signed

Xpiher.5209:

FaultWeeyam.4302:

A big thing pointed out is that they are releasing MORE of this gear later (right now it is only the accessory and back slots). This means that the Agony condition is going to be present in a LOT more content. It is easy to expect that this bleeds to WvWvW otherwise why would PvP players ever find the need to get it? Why would it even be allowed to drop in WvWvW if it wasn’t expected for them to use it at some point? Just so they could run 1 dungeon? For the hardcore PvPers, they wouldn’t care, so providing it to them means they are planning to implement it in ALL aspects of the future content. A gear set dedicated just so people can go into 1 dungeon? C’mon, they’re going to do more than that, so the people claiming that this gear will be made mandatory for endgame are absolutely right in saying so.

I don’t care if they use Ascended gear in new content, I care if they use it and compound the increase of stats and resistences. If new content is released, but uses a new type of Agony resistance that you find in that dungeon then its not treadmill. If its the same type and simply better than what we got out of FOTM dungeon then its treadmill.

It’s gating content. It’s the same thing like back at WoW, where those without a certain gear score or a certain resistance level could not experience content. It’s the same principle, the stats and the infusion stat are regarded here as gating mechanics

Xpiher.5209:

tkalamba.2541:

Ruby Red.4019:

tkalamba.2541:

pregnable.1954:

As I have said before…

“Here are some of my problems, and other people probably feel the same way.

In gw1 you hit max level pretty early and get max gear pretty fast. After that you just farm for custom skins.

Gw2 was sold to us as the same type of thing.

So, I had planned on leveling 1 of each class to level 80 and buy them all multiple sets of exotic gear and weapons. Then I was going to mostly play them in WvW and then sometimes explore pve for fun and skins, as new content came out.

A lot of people had already gotten far enough to make lots of sets of exotics and used transmutation stones, believing that this gear would have max stats forever. Some spending a fair amount of money on this and now feel it was wasted and are upset.

The problem now is that the precedent has been set for new tiers of gear being added into the game.

I no longer believe that I will be able to level all classes to 80 and get all of the different sets of gear for them in the time that I want to spend with the game.

Even if I decided I could live with this new gear and filled the inventory of my characters with lots of different sets of gear for WvW, they could then just decide to add a new tier of gear and all my time would have been semi wasted and I would need to farm new gear. I would never be able to trust that my gear had the best stats and I would never use transmutation stones either.

So, pretty much, with this update, the game will no longer be the game that I wanted to play and I will have to quit.

For me to play the way I had planned on playing the game would have to have a firm max tier, or, WvW will have to use pvp gear… or both."

So this has nothing to do with me whining. If the patch goes through it will no longer be the game that I want to play. From my point of view this patch will cause as much disinterest for me as if it was patched into being a racing simulator or an RTS.

I also notice that the few people (defending)calling people names have only posted in this forum as if they are new accounts… I doubt if most of them are even real players of the game.

People need to stop saying they are setting a precedent.

Every single change sets a precedent… nerfs, buffs etc…. they all set a precedent.

Increasing karma prices for gear? Precendent…. How do we know they wont continue doing this?

Flooding the market with Materials? Precendent… What if they did this with other hard to get mats?

Saying they are setting a precedent doesn’t mean anything when everything they change can set a precedent.

It’s changing their stated game philosophy – play it your way – not any more – no gear grind – not any more – multiple paths to a goal – not any more – no exclusion from content based on gear – not any more. And that’s what ppl have an issue with this is not the game I bought if I wanted this tired old format I’d be back in WoW or Rift.

You can still play how you want…. You don’t even need Ascended gear if you don’t want it as it isn’t the most beneficial tier, no upgrades means your shoehorned into what stats they give you… you can still achieve your goals anyway you want…. and your still not excluded from content…. you can do all 9 Fractals without needing Ascended gear. I don’t see what content you are then missing out on.

Like I said, we DON’T KNOW THAT. Your statement only holds true if future content doesn’t require us to have Ascended gear to even complete it. Will the next update require me to have these two rings to even make it past the first tier? What happens after they add the entire set of ascended gear? Will there be BLESSED GEAR after that?

A big thing pointed out is that they are releasing MORE of this gear later (right now it is only the accessory and back slots). This means that the Agony condition is going to be present in a LOT more content. It is easy to expect that this bleeds to WvWvW otherwise why would PvP players ever find the need to get it? Why would it even be allowed to drop in WvWvW if it wasn’t expected for them to use it at some point? Just so they could run 1 dungeon? For the hardcore PvPers, they wouldn’t care, so providing it to them means they are planning to implement it in ALL aspects of the future content. A gear set dedicated just so people can go into 1 dungeon? C’mon, they’re going to do more than that, so the people claiming that this gear will be made mandatory for endgame are absolutely right in saying so.

tkalamba.2541:

Jezath.7395:

Sdric.8526:

8300+Replies.
90% against a treadmill.
“The community wants a treadmill”

I’m sorry but I really think this is a mistake.
This is no small and ignorable issue people will learn to accept in time.
This is a 180° spin which brakes everything the name Guild Wars ever stood for.

If we can’t stop it, I hope they do realize it in a few month and disable this ascended grind madness again.

You need to look carefully at the thread, 95% are not against it… Alot of it is a discussion about this from the same people. the ones thatare against it as you ay are not all against the actual content either, they are discussing the fact that they may have been lied too..

So please read the thread before making false statements like that. its just scaremongering.

Well said, alot of these posts are repeat posters. I’ve posted alot on here, and so have many others. You cannot use post count as a metric.

Edited for bad spelling in the morning

Repeat or not, there is a strong negative correlation among them. And many of them ARE NOT repeat posters, many of them are first (and last) time posters. And all of those are negative as well. And the numbers, no matter how you try to spin it (where the 95% NOT against it came from is beyond me), the response by and large from their player base is overwhelmingly negative

“If this goes through, I’ve had it. I was betrayed by Blizzard the same way when Crapaclysm came out. Not doing it again.”

I’ve had it with MMO’s introducing gear grinds, “new mechanics” that shame the way I played…if it were just a matter of adaption in my skills, I wouldn’t have a problem. This is adapting to a new level of grinding and making an entire tier obsolete (who’s going to mystic forge an exotic now?)

Gurpsmeister.9068:

Okay okay okay, we got some confirmation about how the system is going to work. It’s a gap closer between exotic and legendary not a treadmill starter. The gate mechanic is still there and that sucks BUT if it stays in that dungeon then it’s not really a big deal is it?

Can we let this beast die now? I’m ashamed I started this thread to begin with..

Too bad, it’s what all of us were feeling the moment this announcement was made, was going to happen anyways. And the term “gap closer” doesn’t hide what this truly is in the slightest: power creep and gear grinding

Personally, I don’t think I’ve actually intentionally gone back to the home instance unless it was for another personal story quest. And even then, the changes that they said would happen there, that your actions in the world would have an impact on how your instance looked or operated, yeah, that’s not there either. Why not actually give some purpose to the instance?

For starters, you could make the changes to the instance based on your actions in the world. There are ton of meta events and world bosses that are recorded in our progress so how about showing them in the instance. Heck, take it a step farther and allow customization of the instance based on your achievements, so you have more motivation to collect them and add some sort of endgame element to it all.

Also, it’d be nice if you could add certain characters to the instance. Mehid and Salia, Clement Forktail, Quinn, TYBALT (or maybe a projection of him (I won’t say ghost, because, in my mind, he’ll never die)), I kinda looked forward to maybe seeing them and interacting with them, or maybe even a henchmen system in the future for select instances or challenges or stuff. Maybe certain characters have challenges or contests associated with them (an apple mini-game? possibilities are endless)

Idk, I’m kinda rambling with all the ideas and hopes for the home instance. I was hoping that the home instance would improve immersion and be that “care element” games strive so hard for. Instead, it almost breaks immersion for me, as in the back of my mind, i know that nothing i do is filling that instance any faster. Hopefully this will be implemented in the future, but in all honesty, unless they find a way to “give” it to the players, the home instance is just going to seem more and more like a mistake. Thoughts?

Leto.5642:

Anything that increases the difficulty in this game is a good thing.

If ur idea of challenging=fun also includes challenging=repetitive, I’m having the time of my life. Nothing quite like killing the same trash mob in some danky kitten cave a couple dozen times to get my juices going.

metrica province is probably the most outrageous when it comes to spawns. For the northwestern skill point (the fire elementals), there are some skale, including a veteran nearby. Normally this wouldn’t be an issue, clear, and move to tackle challenge. The real challenge is trying to keep all the skale, drake, and veterans dead as you take on the challenge. 10 seconds later, in the middle of a fire barrage and dodging, who shows up? The veteran of course, with 3 more in tow. If ur of lvl, hahahahahaha. Prepare to lose a lot of gear. I think MP is so bad is because it probably got less testing than the other zones. And MP doesn’t even COMPARE to Orr and other higher zones. I thought this game was for the player…solo players exist…and nothing pisses off solo players more than having to kill the same bullkitten mob again 10 seconds later. This isn’t a challenge, this is assinine