Guild Wars 2

Again I hate political correctness over stupid things.America in Japanese games and anime is far worse then any western game depicting asian culters.Just look at metal wolf chaos.Why arent we allowed to have asian cultures depicted in a slightly inaccurate(its effen fantasy!) view even if its positive like cantha being a proud and powerful civilization?Yet in asian media americans are represented as fat stupid gun crazy slobs.Just this week in fact North Korea released a propaganda video on youtube showing New York being nuked by North Korea.

Also wouldnt having an asian themed section in GW2 attract the asian market? It seems to be doing that with Pandaria.

I just hope it hasnt been destroyed by elder dragons yet. Also why would ANET go all politically correct on us and get rid of cantha because they think its racist to asians?First of all its fantasy and is set on a different planet where Cantha is not in asia.And Canthans are not asians.They are Canthans. Second it actually celebrates asian culter with the asian theme.

And if you want to say Cantha is racist look the freaking pandas in wow!Now thats racist!!

If you consider tectonics to define what a continent is then technically there are several under water continents in the pacific and atlantic oceans.

Im only level 67 .I still got a bit to go before I reach zhaitan.

Its funny the thing with Usoku’s purge is that it reminded me a bit like the Japanese isolationist period and to a lesser extent the Imperium in WH40K.

Speaking of which if we return to Cantha im certain one of the plots will be a non human resistance along with a few possible human supporters.

Its also probably inspired by renaissance orrerys which were sometimes stylized with things like a crescent moon.So I would say the crescent moon in Divinites reach is just an artistic choice rather then truth.Unless there really is a planet in the Tyrian System that was blown in half during a planetary collision billions of years ago and the remaining left overs just happen to resemble a crescent moon.And the face could just be craters which resemble a face like the so called man in the moon.

Back to the subject of Cantha. Even if Cantha hasnt advanced more than then charr they could still be at their level and posses similar steampunk like technology.After all didnt the Dwarven tunnels reach all the way around the planet of Tyria?Theres no reason why Cantha wouldnt have tech based on the Dwarfs like the Charr.

Also a massive air battle with air ships perhaps against an elder dragon would be something id like to see.

@Gregorius yes they do have an advanced scientific understanding of the universe. I was playing as an asura a couple of months ago(i decided to pause on him for a while and work on my human character) and on a heart mission where you have to talk to skritt you ask one “whats that in front of you” “whats what?” “that is an air molecule” and the skritt faints.

And the Thaumanova Reactor Fallout event as darklace pointed out proves they understand atoms and nuclear reactions.Plus in on one of the later personal story missions if you are a human warrior you fight through an asura’s house who talks about radiation.So im not sure where you are getting they dont understand science from.

You really need to check your facts before posting a comment dissing others who are right.

Not sure if you’ve seen it but in Divinities Reach there is an orrery in the dome garden.Which is a model of the solar system and looks to be helio centric like a real one.Some of the planets resemble gas giants complete with rings and moons.Not to mention there are globes in different places. So yes Tyria is indeed a planet as others have said.

Though the orrery does make me wonder if any other planets in the Tyrian Solar System are habitable and have sentient beings on them.Mabey one day the Asura will send astronauts to explore them via a gate that they end up magically teleporting there?

@Konig Des Todes Well Europe and Asia are different continents but are connected.Same is likely true for Tyria and Elona.

Theres probably also continents that we havnt seen yet. Earth has 7.Unless Tyria is a super continent like you said and covers most of the planet.

Orr more then likely comes from Mordor. Like Mordor one does not simply walk into Orr(and not get swarmed by undead).

Does anyone else think a Tyrian Elemental sounds cooler then Earth Elemental?

Behind the scenes the word Tyria probably comes from the City of Tyre in Lebanon.An ancient port city. There is even a shade of purple called Tyrian Purple which the royals in Tyre would wear.Fun note Tyrian Purple is also a dye in game.

In the event where you fight them one of the npcs said they came from another realm which I guess would be another universe.One where a robot uprising took place mabey?

@Gregorius The Asura have big giant freaking lasers and im really surprised they have not made the equivalent of nuclear weapons by now.They have the knowledge of molecules and probably atoms.Though my guess is Asura are more environmentally friendly then we are because they believe that all things are connected.To quote from a Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode “They irradiated their own planet?” But there’s no reason a less environmentally friendly advanced civilization such as Cantha wouldnt create such a device.In fact they would probably infuse it with magic to make a doomsday weapon.

Speaking of Cantha and magic I bet their wood is enchanted to be both strong and light which is why buildings in Kaineng dont collapse.

Mediterranean.Omg I just realized something! Mediterrra sounds awfully close to Middle Earth!

I cant remember as I havnt played GW1 in years but couldnt Cantha use coal or even oil as an alternative to wood for fuel?

For Elona I expect it to have evolved into an Arabian style culture.Especially if they keep it with being Egyptian themed.

Still the idea of a world war in Tyria(industrialized cantha vs charr) as as a plot orchestrated by the Elder Dragons would be pretty interesting dont you think?

I figured since cantha was based on china cantha would have invented their own guns and weapons much like Medieval China did with gun powder. Unlike the Charr and Dredge who reverse engineered Dwarven technology.

This has always bugged me in fantasy games when they refer to the ground as"earth" rather then the name of the planet.If alien civilizations exist they would probably have also named the ground first and named the planet after the ground.So shouldnt Tyria refer to ground as well as the planet? In pretty much all languages the translated name for Earth as a planet is the same word used for ground or dirt in that language. For example Terra in french is both land and the planet. In whatever Tyrian language the word Tyria comes from probably means dirt too.

Who else would like to see Cantha return in a future GW2 expansion?I certainly would and I hope that they have become just as technologically advanced as the charr or perhaps even more.Like on the equivalent of World War 2 tech with planes,tanks,and even nuclear bombs.It would certainly be a boost to the human race and elevate them from a rag tag single kindom of survivors into a super power again.

Thanks.I havnt played any dungeons yet so I didnt know.

Well then cant we all just agree that gods are beings we dont understand and magic is simply a force we dont understand?Also hopefully the origin of the Norn and of the human gods will be explored more in any expansions or additional content anet releases.I feel the story of how they came to be isnt really explained that well.

Oh and for those wondering I deleted my first post thinking it would delete the thread. I didnt realize so many people would disagree and im not a person who likes to argue.

Golums. I want to play as a golum.Its only a matter of time before they overthrow their weak organic masters and the machines rule all of Tyria!!

The charr are athiest and dont believe the human gods are gods.Just beings with immense power. Im athiest too( well agnostic actually) and one thing I dont like in fantasy games is having literal gods.I realize this is common in most settings but I always think of them as either forces of nature incarnate or some immensely powerful beings who claim to be gods.

For example if aliens came and visited our ancestors thousands of years ago would they not believe they were gods? Just because characters in game say they are gods does not make them gods.

Im a level 66 right now and have been wondering if when I get to the zhaitain personal story mission will it be possible for me to defeat this boss by my self or do you have to do it in a party with other players?What level is zhaitan for that matter?80?

Because my tactic for completing the story missions is to level up a few past the required level thats needed in order to play that mission so any bosses I face during it will be easy to defeat solo.

“A theory requires something to back it up. What you have is wild speculation which is just as likely as saying humanity came from Dhuum’s rear end.”

You clearly have not read all the lore for Guild Wars yet.Humans were brought to Tyria not created and they have some forgotten homeworld which is obviously Earth.Unless you know of another planet where humans also evolved on?

Grenth is half human and 2 different species cannot produce offspring which would make the human “gods” just humans with magical powers.Also Kormir was a human woman who was transformed into a god by abaddon.

Also you are wrong on the mono/poly thing in fantasy. Lord of the Rings has a single god and a host of angels which is what Gandalf is.WoW has light worship but that might be more on the lines of nature worship.WH40k of course has the god emperor of mankind.Plus gods cant be killed and we killed abaddon in GW1.

Also dont forget Bears are Earth animals.I mean its possible something bear like could evolve on another planet but its more likely all the Earth animals you see in Guild Wars were brought along with humans from Earth to Tyria.

On a side note one of the things I like about the GW games is that they have some very alien creatures like the riders.

Well Tyria does have magic and I doubt it was Abaddon or the human gods who created it as the Jotun definitely had it.Its more likely that Abaddon showed the races how to use it. Magic may make evolution faster and cause several weird mutations.The Ettins might be an example of that.With their 2 heads.

As for the mists I see them as the space between universes.They are similar to the Warp in 40k and Oblivion in the Elder Scrolls.I would like to see a space based spin off of Guild Wars that has starships traveling through the mists.As a kind of hyperspace.

The deal about the human gods is that I believe them to not be actual gods but rather super evolved humans.Think of the Ancients from Stargate.Didnt a human in fact become one of the gods? To me a god must be omniscient omnipotent omnipresent and have no need for other gods.Yeah I know it sounds like the christian god but it doesnt have to be exactly that.Because if they are real gods then zhaitan should be considered a god as he seems to be just as powerful.

In a slightly different topic I would like to point out Humans probably came from our Earth.My theroy on this is that Guild Wars takes place in some far future point of our own history.Humans had to escape Earth probably because it was being destroyed by something.I would guess either because of war(perhaps between humans,a robot uprising, or alien invasion) or from my favorite theory that some cosmic horror(think Galactus,Unicron,Reapers,Cthulu) was hunting them to extinction in their part of the universe and fled to Tyria with the help of the “gods”.I like to think the Elder Dragons could in fact just be servants of a far more powerful evil.

“Neither have the Jotun.”

Like I said before the Norn were probably either given their shapeshifting powers or just learned them.

“However Kodan have not shown the ability to shapeshift and the idea of the spirits turning bears into human like beings just seems odd.”

Exactly.The Kodan seem to be just like anthro bear furries to me and it should be impossible for something human looking like the norn to come from them without some sort of divine/magical genetic engineering assistance.And a knowledge as to what humans are and look like.

Actually the Forgotten were brought to Tyria first by the gods.Then the humans came after.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Forgotten

There is one thing that could support Norn as being human/Jotun Hybrids

In Thruln the Losts story he says the following.

“In the beginning, humans lived like grawl. The gods had not yet noticed them. Their magic was primitive: fire, earth, air and water. My jotun ancestors helped them survive.”

Then Later.

“Humans collected on the high plains. Tribes became settlements. Settlements became a kingdom. And that was when the gods noticed them and betrayed the jotun”

“The other races looked up to the norn and the jotun. We were superior to all other races, and we were gaining on the gods.”

“The gods became unhappy with us. They took magic away from us and handed it in measured bites to their favorite races. My people have been sliding deeper and deeper into darkness ever since.”

He never says the Norn were there before the Humans only that other races looked up to Both norn and Jotun. And the gods he seems to speaking of are the human gods yet he acts as if they are Jotun gods.But the Jotun are supposedly native to Tyria so why would he view the human gods as gods?Unless the human gods really did create the other races and visited Tyria long before they brought the humans and much much earlier then anyone realizes.Perhaps they even created them to help fight the Elder Dragons.

Other wise it must be some freak act of nature to have it where dozens of unrelated sentient species evolved on the same planet.With 2 that even look human.(Dwarves and Norn)

I never played Eye of the North but mabey some human explorers came across the Norns much earlier.

And whos to say they dont have a record?It might not just be mentioned in game.

@Venzetti It doesnt matter if Jotun and Giganticus Lupicus were around at the same time.The Jotun could still be descended from them. That would be like saying kitten Sapiens and kitten Erectus arnt related simply because they were around during the same time.Even though Modern humans did evolve from Erectus.

Also why is HSapien and HErectuscensored?lol

One other possibility is that the human gods created most of the races of Tyria except as we all know the humans themselves.Which would be ironic.The Norn could be the result of some experiment that the gods did by mixing humans and jotun.

I want to here someone come up with better theroy as to why they look so freaking human.It makes no sense lore wise if humans are aliens to Tyria and Norn look identical to humans but taller.They should look completely different.