Guild Wars 2

Aggrostemma.1703:

Introp.8465:

Aggrostemma.1703:

@Introp:

I love you!

Warriors are not OP, the players behind the warrior’s keyboard are too good. Now I see this. There are no unbalanced things about the warrior, it seems that the good players are playing warriors, the n00bz and the looz3rs playing something else.

It’s just natural selection not OPness.

L2P baddie. btw thread is about “the experiment”, on which op failed and didnt prove anything, go find another thread to cry

I cannot see any crying in my post. Can you?

I see more than enough. unless it was not irony and you are n00b looz3r who is playing ranger? create a fresh new topic, because this one is about “experiment”

Aggrostemma.1703:

@Introp:

I love you!

Warriors are not OP, the players behind the warrior’s keyboard are too good. Now I see this. There are no unbalanced things about the warrior, it seems that the good players are playing warriors, the n00bz and the looz3rs playing something else.

It’s just natural selection not OPness.

L2P baddie. btw thread is about “the experiment”, on which op failed and didnt prove anything, go find another thread to cry

Himei.5379:

Let me give you an example of their OP in PvE. I took my level 20 Warrior into LA yesterday. Level 20 gear, level 10 trinkets and at most 10 trait points. I Went INTO the thick of battle, with axe/gs fighting massive amounts of vets/elites/champs and couldnt be taken down, my healing signet was outhealing all damage and was killing things fast (thanks to other players of course). I would not go down.

When I went with my level 80 ranger/ele/thief with full exotics, full traits it was a different story. I had to pull out time to time, heal up, blast finish water to heal or I will go down from condition damage, 1 shot from a Elite or AoE to death.

I dont understand how I can faceroll the event on a level 20 warrior but gotta play well on those other classes.

Am I asking for a nerf? Nah, they warriors, they do what they do best. I only joke to friends about them being too OP for PvE but some classes are better than others for some content. They got nerfed for WvW and PvP so balanced out.

what are you talking about? i leveled in la from 60 to 80, healing signet my kitten. If you come to blob/zerg, even get upscaled so much you get one-2 shot from regular elite attacks or ground aoe. and healing signet is worse for burst damage you get to your face. All the time i leveled using either bow or rifle, just to stay far back, using shouts for team and ressing for extra exp. Like molten gunner, who uses flame tornados. get hit by 2 and you are dead ( sometimes even one if upscalled so much). or molten aoe on ground, or wurm aoe, anything

And even if would be super fantastic in pve, is player versus enviroment, a.k.a. you hit not player, but npcs

when rescuing civs – gj clearing patrols realying on hs. You actually need to use few phys utilities for interrupts, cleanse condis in time if you wish to kill patrol quick to not get outnumbered. all comes to player skill

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Oh lol evilek guy is such waste of time. he didnt have slots for ele, so asked his buddy to duel instead. Got kitten wiped every time, refused to give 200g. epic waste of time

Man this is me character list. And yes your HS spam make 600 600 900 and big crit 3k DMG vs stationary Elementalist with 0 10 0 30 30 Traits. 2.5k Armor.

And yes a don’t pay you 200g because you don’t kill me with HS spam

i came in with working spvp build expecting your buddy will do the same.
I didnt duel with u, god knwos what it was.
You said you will upload it, im waiting for non edited version, actually seing your build and stats
If you wanted me to kill with random kitten max hs build i used on dummie ( you did different one, saw the damage in light armor. ) could have looked at my screen and just mailed gold
the moment you refused to play upfront i knew you will never pay. losing duels not even doing more thna 2k damage per 10s i could tell your build was kittened dmg mitigation as much as possible, yet you still ate 4 3-5k crit in first duel

Dont worry i record full fight with chat windows, upload soon on youtube.

be sure to not cut anything, and will it show your stats on build you claim u were using? im still waiting for that gold. the moment i offered to use kittene build i used on dummie u left. not using for fun in spvp, necro enjoyed nice 5 crit 4to 6k in a row

“I really do not need to prove anything: or w8, come on sPvP, if you can kill me with HS spam i pay you 200g”

You kill my friend “stationary” Ele with HS spam ? Hmm no. So why should I pay you ?

You are pathetic, i knew its not you, now you openly admit it.
I came in with working pvp build, did you expect my dummy test nonsense im now using in spvp? i do 7-9k hs critw to thieves, engis, mesmers, want some screens?
Your buddy in first duel, which he genuinely tried, got him to 70% hp in normal fashion andthen spammed hs 5 times, he dodged 1, criting all 4 doing from range to 3k to 5k crit ins 3s. he was downed.

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Oh lol evilek guy is such waste of time. he didnt have slots for ele, so asked his buddy to duel instead. Got kitten wiped every time, refused to give 200g. epic waste of time

Man this is me character list. And yes your HS spam make 600 600 900 and big crit 3k DMG vs stationary Elementalist with 0 10 0 30 30 Traits. 2.5k Armor.

And yes a don’t pay you 200g because you don’t kill me with HS spam

i came in with working spvp build expecting your buddy will do the same.
I didnt duel with u, god knwos what it was.
You said you will upload it, im waiting for non edited version, actually seing your build and stats
If you wanted me to kill with random kitten max hs build i used on dummie ( you did different one, saw the damage in light armor. ) could have looked at my screen and just mailed gold
the moment you refused to play upfront i knew you will never pay. losing duels not even doing more thna 2k damage per 10s i could tell your build was kittened dmg mitigation as much as possible, yet you still ate 4 3-5k crit in first duel

Dont worry i record full fight with chat windows, upload soon on youtube.

be sure to not cut anything, and will it show your stats on build you claim u were using? im still waiting for that gold. the moment i offered to use kittene build i used on dummie u left. not using for fun in spvp, necro enjoyed nice 5 crit 4to 6k in a row

just no crit poor engi for 9k hs, maybe want screen of that?

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Oh lol evilek guy is such waste of time. he didnt have slots for ele, so asked his buddy to duel instead. Got kitten wiped every time, refused to give 200g. epic waste of time

Man this is me character list. And yes your HS spam make 600 600 900 and big crit 3k DMG vs stationary Elementalist with 0 10 0 30 30 Traits. 2.5k Armor.

And yes a don’t pay you 200g because you don’t kill me with HS spam

i came in with working spvp build expecting your buddy will do the same.
I didnt duel with u, god knwos what it was.
You said you will upload it, im waiting for non edited version, actually seing your build and stats
If you wanted me to kill with random kitten max hs build i used on dummie ( you did different one, saw the damage in light armor. ) could have looked at my screen and just mailed gold
the moment you refused to play upfront i knew you will never pay. losing duels not even doing more thna 2k damage per 10s i could tell your build was kittened dmg mitigation as much as possible, yet you still ate 4 3-5k crit in first duel

Oh lol evilek guy is such waste of time. he didnt have slots for ele, so asked his buddy to duel instead. Got kitten wiped every time, refused to give 200g. epic waste of time

Bazzoong.7145:

^ With that signet build I will dish out about 20k damage in 1s on a Mug CnD BS combo with superior signet of air and I will initiate that combo from 1500 range, honestly HS spam is a joke, it does not work.

And you should either stand in your AoE or have a defensive shield or protection up as a ele always, in case of doubt ride the lightning outranges HS spam. Of all things that should worry you about thieves as a ele HS spam is the least, if you can not even deal with that how would you ever deal with a Hambow warrior or a decent S/D thief.

You really should try to change your way of looking at things or you will never stand a chance, just imagine what will happen if you actually meet someone decent?

well just rekt the guy who offered 200g. Guess if i got the gold? asked front, hee refused, and after being wiped on floor started random excuses, on of which was he traited and equiped max toughess and def traits and asked me to spam hs ( when i came with somewhat working 0/30/20/0/20 build oriented on actually having chance to survive and spamming hs when target is lower than 60% hp. ( in duel he died after 3hs crits).

I know good thief will out dps hs spam, but that take more skill than 2 2 2 2 spam

oh message was too long.
You dont need to prove anything? so you start proving, you fail at it and now tactical evade? lol
allright, you will be playing ele then? easiest 200g in my life, and you are giving that gold upfront, dont expect me to trust you

Bazzoong.7145:

If someone can kill you with one button it is not the button thet is the big problem it is you. Especially if the button is heartseeker.

I could understand if you complained about CnD or Assasin’s Signet or even Mug, but heartseekerof all things…

yes because it is totally fine to be able to dish out more than 18k damage in 4s window, pressing that one button which has leap finisher and gap closer in it

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Evilek.5690:

Loco.4561:

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Black Teagan.9215:

6k Dmg is fine for a berserker, who attack another berserker.

As a single target melee skill, this skill have to be a little stronger, than the area attacks from the other classes. E.g. Ele can do 4k dmg/s with Lava Font on up to 5 targets or 5x over 16k with Churning Earth or warriors with 3x over 12k in 3s with HB.

how is it fine to be able to spam 6k damage skill which has gap closer in it? no warrior skill hits even close to that on fair grounds. Semi traited eviscerate will do 6-7k on low armor, but it has huge cast time and obvious leap animtaion + you need full adrenaline for that and 7s cd. with 100b you STAND STILL, means you need setup for that (or you are hitting 1/6 of damage max) to land – immobilize (can be cleansed) or stun ( stun breakers). with HS you just spam away. 2 ( enemy dodged that?) 2 ( again dodge?) – 2 2 2 2 dead now.

Spam 6k DMG Full glass cannon 30/30/0/0/10, 2x sigil of force=10% DMG,Assassin signet +15% DMG,Flaking strike +5% DMG,Improvisation +10% DMG, 20x MIGHT stack, etc. vs light golem 3x crit DMG.

Don’t use sPvP to counter argue damage done in WvW, they are different, scaling is completely different and you can’t achieved anywhere near the same stat combos, so it’s worthless.

As for your armor, for today’s meta I’d consider anything under2500 Armor as a glass build and I’m surprised you weren’t hit for me. Proper full glass thieves would down you in under 2 seconds with their normal steal>C&D>backstab chain with that low armor. On the flip side, you can (if you can catch them) sneeze on them and they would likely die :p

WoW i hit so hard with full ascendent + legendary in WvWvW, HS SPAM IS REALLY OP !!!

You like pictures? here, made some in spvp
http://i.imgur.com/k5nHwfl.jpg
on this one you can see 5 hs spam damage – 4 hits for 3k+ and anfter health threshold you start dishing out 6k+. Keep in mind this damage done in roughly 5s
after that follow real scenario – backstab into hs. 1 backstab and 2 hs target down, 2-3s.
(yes this build would not work in real life, but somehow without 20 might stacks and other stuff i managed to do bigger hits, means you tried to make the as low as possible trying to trick others)
After that follows example on medium ( my initial back stab somehow was lower than before, managed to 3 shot medium same as light but anyways, damage still there, down time – 3-4s.)

here is screenshot on indestructible golem
http://i.imgur.com/Di61tcQ.jpg ( damage done when he is lower than 50% ofc, to show potential of spam)

http://imgur.com/O1945EV
another one on moving heavy golem. ( starts with backstab).
all i did is land first back stab, folloing pressing 2 2 2 2 2 ( not moving abit, not even turning, he walked path around corners, i did follow him auto, just pressing 2 button on same interval

and unlike you, i didnt even use assassin signets active

I uploaded my 10 min test on youtube for you. Upload time 30 min +-

why do i need that? i just did it myself. and your full glass non viable build with 20 might stacks does 6k while i go over 7k without it, wonder why? nut even using assasins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUKrdwZxZKk

27x HS 3x 6k+ DMG. HS spam is really OP.

oh those kitten hits counts as 3k? ok. so you showed how you kill light amor target with hs spam in 3-4s in 3-4 hits. do you think this video helps you? lol.
and people will use backstab before hs, so you start dishing out those 6k crits asap, being above threshold.
Im srsly confused what you were trying to show in your vid, that hs is actually op? you did it fine

Do not be funny. This is full glass cannon with 20x might stack without defensive skills and hitting enemy in the back side with scholar runes vs low armor target.

One single dodge roll evade two HS, one single (daze,stun.imob etc) destroid this HS spam Thief.

And of course L2P

OH, failed on your video, now this? this is so pathetic. unintetionally you yourself proved about hs damage, now you will rely on evade argument? you cant evaded 5 times even after evade you can get hit.and 1 single stun? – pick one single stun braker lol. you build sucks kitten tbh, mine even worked in spvp to some degree, so yeah, and mine did more damage on crits low life less from 100 to 50%, but no one ever spams hs on full hp, you bring enemy to 50% and then spam away

Bazzoong.7145:

6k HS 3x which kind of player takes 3 obvious attacks like that to the face?

Here is the obvious answer: Someone who should die…

Did yo get outspammed on your AoE spam zerker ele? Cry me a river, then run back to your zerg, where you belong.

Once HS hits up to 5 targets in a 800 dianeter circle 12x from 1200 range for 5k+ without targeting anyone we can talk about OP. Once clusterbomb 1shots arrowcarts and the guys useing them we can talk about OP. Once thieves can provide their mightstacking to their group aswell we can talk about OP.

who gives a kitten about that aoe? you just cant forget it, because its the only argument? in 1×1 why would you need aoe. ele melts to thief in 3s after mist form is over. and 3 obvious hits? you know you can spam 4-6 depends on build, on most of the classes you cant do kitten to a 1 skill spam over and over and over again. evade one, get hit by other. and since its gap closer you can even get hit at the end of evade, thief wont even need to try to keep up with you – just 2 2 2 2 2 2 away

not everyone is playing wvw or run in zergs

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Evilek.5690:

Loco.4561:

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Black Teagan.9215:

6k Dmg is fine for a berserker, who attack another berserker.

As a single target melee skill, this skill have to be a little stronger, than the area attacks from the other classes. E.g. Ele can do 4k dmg/s with Lava Font on up to 5 targets or 5x over 16k with Churning Earth or warriors with 3x over 12k in 3s with HB.

how is it fine to be able to spam 6k damage skill which has gap closer in it? no warrior skill hits even close to that on fair grounds. Semi traited eviscerate will do 6-7k on low armor, but it has huge cast time and obvious leap animtaion + you need full adrenaline for that and 7s cd. with 100b you STAND STILL, means you need setup for that (or you are hitting 1/6 of damage max) to land – immobilize (can be cleansed) or stun ( stun breakers). with HS you just spam away. 2 ( enemy dodged that?) 2 ( again dodge?) – 2 2 2 2 dead now.

Spam 6k DMG Full glass cannon 30/30/0/0/10, 2x sigil of force=10% DMG,Assassin signet +15% DMG,Flaking strike +5% DMG,Improvisation +10% DMG, 20x MIGHT stack, etc. vs light golem 3x crit DMG.

Don’t use sPvP to counter argue damage done in WvW, they are different, scaling is completely different and you can’t achieved anywhere near the same stat combos, so it’s worthless.

As for your armor, for today’s meta I’d consider anything under2500 Armor as a glass build and I’m surprised you weren’t hit for me. Proper full glass thieves would down you in under 2 seconds with their normal steal>C&D>backstab chain with that low armor. On the flip side, you can (if you can catch them) sneeze on them and they would likely die :p

WoW i hit so hard with full ascendent + legendary in WvWvW, HS SPAM IS REALLY OP !!!

You like pictures? here, made some in spvp
http://i.imgur.com/k5nHwfl.jpg
on this one you can see 5 hs spam damage – 4 hits for 3k+ and anfter health threshold you start dishing out 6k+. Keep in mind this damage done in roughly 5s
after that follow real scenario – backstab into hs. 1 backstab and 2 hs target down, 2-3s.
(yes this build would not work in real life, but somehow without 20 might stacks and other stuff i managed to do bigger hits, means you tried to make the as low as possible trying to trick others)
After that follows example on medium ( my initial back stab somehow was lower than before, managed to 3 shot medium same as light but anyways, damage still there, down time – 3-4s.)

here is screenshot on indestructible golem
http://i.imgur.com/Di61tcQ.jpg ( damage done when he is lower than 50% ofc, to show potential of spam)

http://imgur.com/O1945EV
another one on moving heavy golem. ( starts with backstab).
all i did is land first back stab, folloing pressing 2 2 2 2 2 ( not moving abit, not even turning, he walked path around corners, i did follow him auto, just pressing 2 button on same interval

and unlike you, i didnt even use assassin signets active

I uploaded my 10 min test on youtube for you. Upload time 30 min +-

why do i need that? i just did it myself. and your full glass non viable build with 20 might stacks does 6k while i go over 7k without it, wonder why? nut even using assasins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUKrdwZxZKk

27x HS 3x 6k+ DMG. HS spam is really OP.

oh those 4,5 – 5k hits counts as 3k? ok. so you showed how you kill light amor target with hs spam in 3-4s in 3-4 hits. do you think this video helps you? lol.
and people will use backstab before hs, so you start dishing out those 6k crits asap, being above threshold.
Im srsly confused what you were trying to show in your vid, that hs is actually op? you did it fine

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Evilek.5690:

Loco.4561:

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Black Teagan.9215:

6k Dmg is fine for a berserker, who attack another berserker.

As a single target melee skill, this skill have to be a little stronger, than the area attacks from the other classes. E.g. Ele can do 4k dmg/s with Lava Font on up to 5 targets or 5x over 16k with Churning Earth or warriors with 3x over 12k in 3s with HB.

how is it fine to be able to spam 6k damage skill which has gap closer in it? no warrior skill hits even close to that on fair grounds. Semi traited eviscerate will do 6-7k on low armor, but it has huge cast time and obvious leap animtaion + you need full adrenaline for that and 7s cd. with 100b you STAND STILL, means you need setup for that (or you are hitting 1/6 of damage max) to land – immobilize (can be cleansed) or stun ( stun breakers). with HS you just spam away. 2 ( enemy dodged that?) 2 ( again dodge?) – 2 2 2 2 dead now.

Spam 6k DMG Full glass cannon 30/30/0/0/10, 2x sigil of force=10% DMG,Assassin signet +15% DMG,Flaking strike +5% DMG,Improvisation +10% DMG, 20x MIGHT stack, etc. vs light golem 3x crit DMG.

Don’t use sPvP to counter argue damage done in WvW, they are different, scaling is completely different and you can’t achieved anywhere near the same stat combos, so it’s worthless.

As for your armor, for today’s meta I’d consider anything under2500 Armor as a glass build and I’m surprised you weren’t hit for me. Proper full glass thieves would down you in under 2 seconds with their normal steal>C&D>backstab chain with that low armor. On the flip side, you can (if you can catch them) sneeze on them and they would likely die :p

WoW i hit so hard with full ascendent + legendary in WvWvW, HS SPAM IS REALLY OP !!!

You like pictures? here, made some in spvp
http://i.imgur.com/k5nHwfl.jpg
on this one you can see 5 hs spam damage – 4 hits for 3k+ and anfter health threshold you start dishing out 6k+. Keep in mind this damage done in roughly 5s
after that follow real scenario – backstab into hs. 1 backstab and 2 hs target down, 2-3s.
(yes this build would not work in real life, but somehow without 20 might stacks and other stuff i managed to do bigger hits, means you tried to make the as low as possible trying to trick others)
After that follows example on medium ( my initial back stab somehow was lower than before, managed to 3 shot medium same as light but anyways, damage still there, down time – 3-4s.)

here is screenshot on indestructible golem
http://i.imgur.com/Di61tcQ.jpg ( damage done when he is lower than 50% ofc, to show potential of spam)

http://imgur.com/O1945EV
another one on moving heavy golem. ( starts with backstab).
all i did is land first back stab, folloing pressing 2 2 2 2 2 ( not moving abit, not even turning, he walked path around corners, i did follow him auto, just pressing 2 button on same interval

and unlike you, i didnt even use assassin signets active

I uploaded my 10 min test on youtube for you. Upload time 30 min +-

why do i need that? i just did it myself. and your full glass non viable build with 20 might stacks does 6k while i go over 7k without it, wonder why? nut even using assasins.

Evilek.5690:

Loco.4561:

Evilek.5690:

Introp.8465:

Black Teagan.9215:

6k Dmg is fine for a berserker, who attack another berserker.

As a single target melee skill, this skill have to be a little stronger, than the area attacks from the other classes. E.g. Ele can do 4k dmg/s with Lava Font on up to 5 targets or 5x over 16k with Churning Earth or warriors with 3x over 12k in 3s with HB.

how is it fine to be able to spam 6k damage skill which has gap closer in it? no warrior skill hits even close to that on fair grounds. Semi traited eviscerate will do 6-7k on low armor, but it has huge cast time and obvious leap animtaion + you need full adrenaline for that and 7s cd. with 100b you STAND STILL, means you need setup for that (or you are hitting 1/6 of damage max) to land – immobilize (can be cleansed) or stun ( stun breakers). with HS you just spam away. 2 ( enemy dodged that?) 2 ( again dodge?) – 2 2 2 2 dead now.

Spam 6k DMG Full glass cannon 30/30/0/0/10, 2x sigil of force=10% DMG,Assassin signet +15% DMG,Flaking strike +5% DMG,Improvisation +10% DMG, 20x MIGHT stack, etc. vs light golem 3x crit DMG.

Don’t use sPvP to counter argue damage done in WvW, they are different, scaling is completely different and you can’t achieved anywhere near the same stat combos, so it’s worthless.

As for your armor, for today’s meta I’d consider anything under2500 Armor as a glass build and I’m surprised you weren’t hit for me. Proper full glass thieves would down you in under 2 seconds with their normal steal>C&D>backstab chain with that low armor. On the flip side, you can (if you can catch them) sneeze on them and they would likely die :p

WoW i hit so hard with full ascendent + legendary in WvWvW, HS SPAM IS REALLY OP !!!

You like pictures? here, made some in spvp
http://i.imgur.com/k5nHwfl.jpg
on this one you can see 5 hs spam damage – 4 hits for 3k+ and anfter health threshold you start dishing out 6k+. Keep in mind this damage done in roughly 5s
after that follow real scenario – backstab into hs. 1 backstab and 2 hs target down, 2-3s.
(yes this build would not work in real life, but somehow without 20 might stacks and other stuff i managed to do bigger hits, means you tried to make the as low as possible trying to trick others)
After that follows example on medium ( my initial back stab somehow was lower than before, managed to 3 shot medium same as light but anyways, damage still there, down time – 3-4s.)

here is screenshot on indestructible golem
http://i.imgur.com/Di61tcQ.jpg ( damage done when he is lower than 50% ofc, to show potential of spam)

http://imgur.com/O1945EV
another one on moving heavy golem. ( starts with backstab).
all i did is land first back stab, folloing pressing 2 2 2 2 2 ( not moving abit, not even turning, he walked path around corners, i did follow him auto, just pressing 2 button on same interval

and unlike you, i didnt even use assassin signets active

Form.8741:

The ignorant will inherit the earth and they will complain that everyone else is OP because they lose all the time.

in this thread you managed to claim 10 times that warrior is op, so you would be non ignorant here?

Form.8741:

Actually you can DODGE hs with its huge jumping animation too, and you can predict backstab extremely easily since a thief has to go into stealth to be able to do it.

and gj, you dodge 1 hs out of 6. and thief wont use this spam as opener, he will lure 1-2 evades and bursts you then. or just strait up 6 on squishy, 4 enought to kill it following opener ( you use 1-2 evades trying to avoid backstab)

Form.8741:

Ignorance is bliss. You can’t SPAM 2 as thief with s/d, and each combo takes 5 init so you will be out within 2-3 back and forth efforts. Spamming 2 with HS may be repeatable 5-6 times but if it misses most times or only does a tiny bit of damage then you’ve wasted ALL your init and are a sitting duck.

You have NO idea. NONE. Go play thief and lose because it’s not a great profession for 1v1 anymore (nerfed to death).

LOL I DO PLAY A THIEF. not a great profession 1×1? omfg go to sleep, you are tired son. And this thread is about hs spam, not s-d

Form.8741:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Black Teagan.9215:

If you want to summary the thiefclass in one sentence: “Kill them immediately or stealth and repeat your button spamming once they have used there defensive cool downs to stop your first batch of burst.”

Fixed it for you. The sort of damage Thief can do is simply broken. What other class has an attack that can do up to 16k damage in ONE hit that has NO punishment if the skill is dodged, blocked or immuned? Which allows them to continue to spam it until it hits and then for them to spam #2 until the target is dead…

Lets not forget that this burst can ONLY be “avoided” if you actually SEE them. You stand NO chance if they see you first and instantly use one of MANY ways to get cheap and easy Stealth. Sure having advantage is fine, that advantage leading to near 1hit kills is NOT fine.

Warrior does several skills actually, including one that works at 1500 range.

You see, warrior cannot ever spam anything that damage thief does. If he could than thief would die in 2 hits vs warrior? It takes alot of time to set up any good eviscerate, an you get blinded before that anyways. Oh, you mean 1500 range killshot which has 2s+ cast time and most obvious kneeing animation ever, you get hit by that? normal player would evade/reflect it, baddie like you gets hard time it seems.

and this thread about thief lol, go create 50th thread about warrior if you are so kitten about it

Black Teagan.9215:

Introp.8465:

Black Teagan.9215:

If you want to summary the thiefclass in one sentence: “Kill them immediately or they kill you.”

…Or you stealth and disengage more like it.

I play complete without stealth, also if it much harder

evade spamming thiefs are good example of balance as well. spend 80% in evades, 20% spamming button 2

Black Teagan.9215:

If you want to summary the thiefclass in one sentence: “Kill them immediately or they kill you.”

…Or you stealth and disengage more like it.

Form.8741:

Thief gets melted by condispam necros/engis within 2-4 seconds and there is NOTHING they can do about it since thief has really bad condi removal outside lyssa runes.

Downside to a thief with 6k HS (only possible when you are <25% in the first place) is that thief has no protection, has VERY low hp and armor, dies easily, has no stability, has limited condi removal, and is altogether an inferior warrior-like profession only with stealth.

Enough downsides? I think so.
Warrior has higher DPS. Thief can’t do 6k hs without traiting and gearing for crit damage like crazy PLUS having might and bloodlust stacks.

Stop lying. I guarantee you’re just venting because you lost to a thief and you’re not good enough to figure out why.

warrior doesnt have higher dps, any good thief wipes floor with good warriors, wonder how then?

btw thread is about thieves and eles, and not hurr durr warrior op thread, go find proper one if you want to cry about that.

why do you need to cleanse condi, if you can spam 2 2 2 2 2 2 and kill condi enemy in 5-7s? And oh yes, you forgot you class spell steal? you can even steal stability if you trait and can react to boons, of spamming blinds/stealth not enough survivability? being invisible is sure not secure enough

Black Teagan.9215:

Singel target skills do always more dmg, against one person, than the skills, which hit more than one person. While Skills with an AE-Effect are stronger against groups, than single target skills.

I believe you know that.
But do you know, that the dmg is always inversely proportional to the deff, which the class have and the numbers of targets, the weapon can hit?

Calculate Part 1)
Hs deals more dmg, than skills like HB or CE, because its can hit only one person and not 3 or 5, incl. that thieves have not one deffskills or -buffs, in marked contrast to every other class in this game, why this must compensate throught more dmg.

[—Every class have an intern balance between dmg and deff.
The lesser max. targets, the higher the dmg for the targets the weapon can hit.
The lower the deff of the class, the higher is the dmg output of the class.—]

Calculate Part 2)
But, we have no (real) cooldowns and the inisystem allowed us to use the same skill more, than one time every few secs, because of this have every thief weaponskill have a low coefficient, which make the skills weaker, than the attacks from other classes
(, inclusive the other disadvantages of an Inisystem).
E.g. Heartseeker (<25% Life) do the same dmg like eviscerate on adrenalinlvl 1.

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As long as we not have the same deffense and (self-)support, who the other classes, I see no reason to nerf our dmg on the same lvl like the other classes, especially if it comes from a single target weapon and skill.

That was completely irrelevant.
Thief has kittenloads of defensive abilities, yet he can spam 4-6k crits ( depending on armor and hp) hits 5-6 times in a row. Are you saying that being able to absolutely melt target in 3-5s is not too strong? You simply presss button 5 times, dont even need to follow target.

And why are you bringing 3-5 targets into this? no one is even talking about aoe. Lets take mentioned eviscerate into example. it has to be traited, then it has 7s cd. You have to have 30 adrenaline for max damage, SINGLE TARGET, then it dies around 7k on low armor, and if you miss it, goes on 2.5s cd. ( and is a burst class f1 skill), is not any finished, unlike hs. True, warrior could take 3 stances, so as thief can take 2 invis + 1 jump, so defensive capabilities.

Thread is about thief being able to spam 6k crits 5-6 times in a row without any downside to that or any setup needed

Form.8741:

Stop playing so bad and complaining when you have 12904810491825 damage mitigating skills plus teleport plus invuln plus a bunch of evasive/protection features that you obviously have NO idea how to use.

Thief can’t do 6k with HS to an ele unless ele is <25% hp+has vuln+no protect+thief has glass build+might stacked+bloodlust.

You’re just not good at this game.

Stop complaining about thief. If you want to complain about high damage then complain about warrior, who you will NEVER in a million years be able to beat because they can outlast you, outrun you, be immune to all your conditions, be immune to all your damage, and do more dps than you all at once without breaking a sweat.

I repeat, stop complaining about thief. Thief damage has been nerfed infinitely, their survivability and evades have been nerfed, their stunbreaks have been nerfed, everything about thief has been nerfed except a minimal improvement in base init regen. EVERYTHING.

Put simply, thief is the anti-noob and excels only at killing people who don’t know how to play…and running away from people who do.

what are you even talking about. Do you even remember when was the last time you died to ele 1×1? you have 1% of winning as ele, if thief is mentally handicapped.

why do you cry that thieves were nerfed? maybe because there was a reason for that?
And Good ele kills warrior, because no warrior has damage spike so high as thieves with their button 2 spam. With perfect chainstun using stomp as well as bulls you can dish out 15k damage in like 9s, if enemy wont use stun breaker. So yeah, what a burst.
And for the love of god, being immune to phys damage 4s? eles are immune to everything for 3s, and they die after that in 3s to thief, immunity means kitten when its low uptime and you face 6k crit spam after that.

The ones who cries the most about themselves are thieves. on every single thread about anything

Travlane.5948:

Fenrir.3609:

Travlane.5948:

so running full zerk plus 30 in crit dmg line and 30 in healing line isnt zerk?

Not sure if you are being funny but no, it clearly isn’t. I’m not sure how anyone can think having 30 in the healing line is “full zerk” or anything close to it.

I have seen some convincing and well thought out threads/posts pointing to the fact that warrior is in too good a place at the moment, or at least certain aspects of it. Sadly, this thread isn’t one of them.

This is predominantly because you still seem to confuse what is essentially an issue with skill reqs and passive play, with something being “OP”. They are not the same thing.

If someone wants to make a case against passive cheese play and low skill reqs, they would cite the kind of arguments you have used (sort of).

If though someone wants to make a case for OP, then they would need to demonstrate exactly how and why, at the top tier of tpvp, warrior outperforms other classes in the major roles (point decap, control bunker, roamer/back point taker etc). Then demonstrate just why multiple warriors are utilized per team (across most of the teams, not one or two of them) at the top level.

They would not show how you can whomp noobs or list “1st in HP and armorz!”.

Note I’m not trying to defend warrior here per say, I just think the reasons and arguments presented in this thread seem to be unsuited to the intended purpose of trying to demonstrate the class as being OP.

And in all honesty, the title is rather leading/troll bait.

i didnt say full zerk. i said zerk. if ur 90% zerk….i consider it zerk.

you get 300 points in healing line. with is healing +300. but you get like 1500 points in power 1500 poitns in precision and alot in crit dmg too. so in the end putting 30 points into healing only makes the build like 85 or 90% zerk. still basically a zerk build.

if u dont understand ill do the full math for you…. :P

aaand you still didnt prove anything you claimed in your first or following posts.
And why do you reply to 1 thing out of 20? dont have the answers to rest? better dont reply at all then

ens.9854:

Introp.8465:

Black Teagan.9215:

6k Dmg is fine for a berserker, who attack another berserker.

As a single target melee skill, this skill have to be a little stronger, than the area attacks from the other classes. E.g. Ele can do 4k dmg/s with Lava Font on up to 5 targets or 5x over 16k with Churning Earth or warriors with 3x over 12k in 3s with HB.

how is it fine to be able to spam 6k damage skill which has gap closer in it? no warrior skill hits even close to that on fair grounds. Semi traited eviscerate will do 6-7k on low armor, but it has huge cast time and obvious leap animtaion + you need full adrenaline for that and 7s cd. with 100b you STAND STILL, means you need setup for that (or you are hitting 1/6 of damage max) to land – immobilize (can be cleansed) or stun ( stun breakers). with HS you just spam away. 2 ( enemy dodged that?) 2 ( again dodge?) – 2 2 2 2 dead now.

The warrior has healing signet.

Heartseeker is outperformed by autoattack chain unless target is very low on health. Losing 1 autoattack to a blind, block, evade is nothing plus you get poison and higher proc rates. Heartseeker is also worse than steal, infil signet, shadow shot, and inf strike as a gap closer.

Go test on the training dummies in the mists; you will run out of initiative and still kill them the same speed or slower with heartseeker vs autoattack, and they can’t even fight back

Healing signet? this is thread about thief and ele. There are countless of threads to cry about healing signet elsewhere. ( btw hs now increases damage? , why would you even bring this up lol). Thief has stealth, same logic right

How can you compare auto chain, which takes 3 times longer and you need to be close to the target and actually hit it? hs auto jumps to target, is 1 skill. And i play thief in spvp occasionally, it really takes no skill to spam hs ( allthough i try fun builds).
Few autos to heavy dummy and 2 2 2 – 4k, 4.5k, 5k. on heavy armor

Oh forgot to mention, on top of that insane damage+ scaling, gap closer its a leap finisher as well…

Black Teagan.9215:

Introp.8465:

ens.9854:

BlackBeard.2873:

ens.9854:

Somebody has severely underestimated the damage a single churning earth can do….

Churning earth is very situational to use, and should never be used against a thief who can easily dodge/blind/interrupt you after getting 3s of free dps.

Heartseeker is very situational to use, and should never be used against anyone who can easily defend themselves in anyway after getting guaranteed shots against a thief who isn’t dodging or blinding.

Seriously, churning earth can easily hit for 15k PER target once you count the bleeds… Just pointing out how absurd the comparison is

Edit: here’s a hint—auto attack chain does more DPS than heartseeker

1st. no one ever will get hit by churning earth
2nd. Hs is click – auto lands and targets, you dont need to actually manually walk beside target, keep close distance to hit
3rd. look at skill tooltip lol, hs does more damage at any stage
4th. thief spam hs left and right if they think they have killing blow or have a way to disengage after. Imagine you are ele, and thief runs to you, presses 2 2 2 2 2 (less or more) and you die. Such skill involved right?
5th how on earth you can defend again pure damage burst spam? you sure wont outdamage that, only way is to use cc, if you have it and manage to land it. (keep in mind hs spam speed)

1st: highly improbable
2nd: A finisher skill must have a high chance to hit the target, otherwise were it no finisher.
3rd: The same: finisher skill
4th: You know, that it gives blocks, dodges, invulnerability, knockbacks, etc.?
I can counterburst the burst thieves, incl. PW Thieves, you not?
5th: Gaurdians, Mesmer and Engis have a much better burstdmg, than thieves and this in a big area.

1st. maybe for you, if you sit into hour long cast giant circle wondering what will happen. skill has 3.25 s cast time lol
2. a finisher you say? which can be spammed 5-6 times? its regular weapon 2 skill not some kind of f1 of the class.
3. some guy wrote it you compare whole chain to 1 skill, which will outdamage it on low health anyways, but you cant compare 3 hits to 1 lol.
4. block blocks 1 hs out of 6, eles use mist form yes, survive 3s and after that die in 3 hs spam hits, very helpful, and thief himself can dodge knockbackss
5. dps guardian has higher BURST, but that burst doesnt come from 2 2 2 2 2 spam, and take a setup. and lol, mesmer and engi burst?

Black Teagan.9215:

6k Dmg is fine for a berserker, who attack another berserker.

As a single target melee skill, this skill have to be a little stronger, than the area attacks from the other classes. E.g. Ele can do 4k dmg/s with Lava Font on up to 5 targets or 5x over 16k with Churning Earth or warriors with 3x over 12k in 3s with HB.

how is it fine to be able to spam 6k damage skill which has gap closer in it? no warrior skill hits even close to that on fair grounds. Semi traited eviscerate will do 6-7k on low armor, but it has huge cast time and obvious leap animtaion + you need full adrenaline for that and 7s cd. with 100b you STAND STILL, means you need setup for that (or you are hitting 1/6 of damage max) to land – immobilize (can be cleansed) or stun ( stun breakers). with HS you just spam away. 2 ( enemy dodged that?) 2 ( again dodge?) – 2 2 2 2 dead now.

ens.9854:

BlackBeard.2873:

ens.9854:

Somebody has severely underestimated the damage a single churning earth can do….

Churning earth is very situational to use, and should never be used against a thief who can easily dodge/blind/interrupt you after getting 3s of free dps.

Heartseeker is very situational to use, and should never be used against anyone who can easily defend themselves in anyway after getting guaranteed shots against a thief who isn’t dodging or blinding.

Seriously, churning earth can easily hit for 15k PER target once you count the bleeds… Just pointing out how absurd the comparison is

Edit: here’s a hint—auto attack chain does more DPS than heartseeker

1st. no one ever will get hit by churning earth
2nd. Hs is click – auto lands and targets, you dont need to actually manually walk beside target, keep close distance to hit
3rd. look at skill tooltip lol, hs does more damage at any stage
4th. thief spam hs left and right if they think they have killing blow or have a way to disengage after. Imagine you are ele, and thief runs to you, presses 2 2 2 2 2 (less or more) and you die. Such skill involved right?
5th how on earth you can defend again pure damage burst spam? you sure wont outdamage that, only way is to use cc, if you have it and manage to land it. (keep in mind hs spam speed)

Yep its sad story for thief vs ele. even on streams pretty decent/ very good eles avoid thiefs as plague, they melt in literally 3s after using their mist form.
Hs should not have gap closer. its spammable, does insane damage and scales with hp, and closes the distance? anet forgot to make hs grant you 4s of steath on top of that.
Without gap closer it would still do same damage, but you would need to actually land them and enemy would have ways to avoid it, not being hit mid air

Azukas.1426:

Sanduskel.1850:

Azukas.1426:

Sanduskel.1850:

Azukas.1426:

Sanduskel.1850:

Travlane.5948:

Sanduskel.1850:

Travlane.5948:

Sanduskel.1850:

a thief whining about warriors. now i’ve seen everything. I play a thief, and I’ve never had an issue with warriors. I think this is a l2p issue.

what im complaining about is the no risk vs reward scenario. thieves have a high risk to run zerk. warriors have none. they can be one of the best rankings in EVERY category all in the same build. now you cant get any class half as good in that sense. hence why most are warriors …..

if they cut the mobility down…. and condi removal down to below thieves’ as that should be their weakness as anet stated….i think warriors would be in a good place.

I don’t think the ability to burst then pop right back I to stealth is a high risk. It s a high reward though.

3-4 seconds is a long time. 2-3 seconds of immob = death for a thief. thats how fragile we are. its 4-5 secs if u are a Carrion thief. high risk. crap condi removal…. crap hp…crap toughness…crap armor…. no blocks/invuln/aegis and stability and protection….anything defensive….or removes stuff like conditison…we suck at. its a high risk profession.

It’s not 3-4 seconds unless you don’t know how to play your thief. It’s definitely NOT a high risk profession unless you go afk, lol.

Not crap armor, not crap hp, not crap toughness unless you spec improperly – just like other classes.

Thieves are easy to kill. Even the ones who falsely believe building toughness helps them.

I see thief and literally it’s a free kill if they don’t run away

lol well, I think warriors are easy to kill, and I rarely die on my thief. You must encounter terrible thieves.

There is significant difference between my claims and yours

Mine are actually true.

Lol ….in your mind.

Post SS of your thief with your account name visible.

Then post a link of your thief owning warriors

why do you do the same. post a proof to what you are saying first

Azukas.1426:

Sanduskel.1850:

Azukas.1426:

Sanduskel.1850:

Travlane.5948:

Sanduskel.1850:

Travlane.5948:

Sanduskel.1850:

a thief whining about warriors. now i’ve seen everything. I play a thief, and I’ve never had an issue with warriors. I think this is a l2p issue.

what im complaining about is the no risk vs reward scenario. thieves have a high risk to run zerk. warriors have none. they can be one of the best rankings in EVERY category all in the same build. now you cant get any class half as good in that sense. hence why most are warriors …..

if they cut the mobility down…. and condi removal down to below thieves’ as that should be their weakness as anet stated….i think warriors would be in a good place.

I don’t think the ability to burst then pop right back I to stealth is a high risk. It s a high reward though.

3-4 seconds is a long time. 2-3 seconds of immob = death for a thief. thats how fragile we are. its 4-5 secs if u are a Carrion thief. high risk. crap condi removal…. crap hp…crap toughness…crap armor…. no blocks/invuln/aegis and stability and protection….anything defensive….or removes stuff like conditison…we suck at. its a high risk profession.

It’s not 3-4 seconds unless you don’t know how to play your thief. It’s definitely NOT a high risk profession unless you go afk, lol.

Not crap armor, not crap hp, not crap toughness unless you spec improperly – just like other classes.

Thieves are easy to kill. Even the ones who falsely believe building toughness helps them.

I see thief and literally it’s a free kill if they don’t run away

lol well, I think warriors are easy to kill, and I rarely die on my thief. You must encounter terrible thieves.

There is significant difference between my claims and yours

Mine are actually true.

Lol at this point of view. So what you are saying is truth because you said so, and what sanduskel said is not? following your logic, sanduskel can say same thing. 0 logic what so ever

Travlane.5948:

Tree.3916:

Travlane.5948:

the OP doenst know the difference between thief dmg and GROUP dmg.

Oh, so I guess the thief was the only one with 25 stacks of might and 100% crit? Party buffs only go to the thief… checks out!

that said…warrior can do as much or more with a couple of skills like 100b or eviscerate.

nice story…not

Let’s see your video of your warrior doing 47k evis or 100b… besides Warriors are so 2013.

i dont play warrior. i play thief. i have tested EVISCERATE, 100b, and BACKSTAB all in wvw under same conditions.

full zerk
25 stacks might
25 stacks vulnerability
25 stacks bloodlust

and they were both the same dmg. only REAL difference is that warrior had higher HP/toughness/defense/armor and more attacks per X time.

yes a warrior can do this but i really dont do COE anymore as i have every legendary and dont need the money.

i would like to see this in a experimental set up. that means no group buffs and no group debuffs. its so unrealistic and even with group help …its PVE dungeon which are very easy. even COF is harder than COE. that build hes running cannot go anywhere other than easy nub areas.

as a matter of fact i could go get a naked engineer and beat that thief in 1v1…thats how fragile he is.

So how on earth have you tested warrior dmg in wvw, if you yell in other thread that you have played ONLY 1 game of warrior in spvp? you are full of kittens in every thread you are in, arguing about anything.
your end point is – warrior so op, needs nerf. thiefs so up(and takes alot of skill to play, lol), needs huge buff
your every argument are based on nothing, you always bring random made up numbers and made up facts into it thinking that people will believe your word

True example of internet knight

btw travlone, if you are implying that you have masters as in education, since when you can obtain it at age of teenager ( or younger). You must be true genius then, as we see in threads

Fortus.6175:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Ele says hello with just Burning and Bleeding. So we have even less so why is ours LESS duration? then again Warrior have better health, armor, mobility and damage and a very broken Healing Signet…

the answer is quite simple;

it is warriors / ele we are talking about

If there is something I have learn playing since Beta is: Warriors gets all nice things and ele gets the boot.

Mobility? Well, sword #2 on warrior or GS #3 & #5 is a RtL minus the entire “double the CD if it doesnt hit”. Oh but its ok, eles have great regeneration without having to burn any CD, have the highest Hp and armor in the game, couple with point-and-click skills and can escape at will, on top of 7 secs huge PBAoE stun and blast finishers….oh wait..

Oh, so you are telling gs/ham/sword + x build is op?
wait its 3 sets of weapons?
DO you know that only swords and lb has condis in them, so how warrior is op mobile with it? only sword 2.
Who the kitten would take gs into condi build? thread is about condis, not another – higher that stat than x thread.
7s aoe stun is 7s cd if traited 30 points into a tree, which has nothing to offer for condi builds tbh, only 15 points into wep swap.

condi warrior is strong, but only if he has lb in it, only sword/sword would not work. and its only bleed duration – increased damage of sword 1 and 5 and lb 5. You know how easy is to cleanse 1 condi?

but if you compare condi warrior to ele, why not compare it to condi necro or engis? sounds reasonable as well

Tim.6450:

I find it funny that people can find a adept +50% bleed duration trait in a condition trait line, the most normal thing in the world while +40% condition food is one of the most hated things in the community.

As an extra illustration: those 10 trait points spend are less then 2 sigils and six runes from a bleed build point of view. (take sigil of accuracy and earth, 2* runes of the centaur, 2* runes of the afflicted and 2* runes of the krait).

and do you realise that bleed is 1 condition out of 8?

Travlane.5948:

Solori.6025:

MiLkZz.4789:

Travlane.5948:

point was i led everything on my first try ever. fffffffffffpsh! lol like to see somebody else do this with 0 trieson thief full zerk and never logged on thief. have to proof like i didtho

The thiefs I qualify as good players never had any troubles against warriors. A pp condi spam thief can kite a warrior for a 100 years. A sd thief can steal his stability and evade into oblivion and a dp pomps out so much blind that warrior wont see his girlfriend again ever.

We all know warrior has a low skillcap to start playing with, congratz on proving that. But to be able to beat the best players out there, warriors lack depth. Their skills have such obvious animations that you hate yourself for failing to dodge them sometimes. I dodged a hammer warriors skills for 10min straight before he stopped fighting me and ran away. I didn’t attack back because I was laughing to much.

Warrior is a strong pick and a nub stomper, people who don’t really know how to play and only know their own class will get roflstomped by a warrior. But people who know how to bait out stability, skill interrupt and all the animations will take a warrior apart.

Point is that it is easy to play a warrior decently and perform well. But if you want to compete with the best, you either have to be a really really strong player on a warrior or you simply can’t. The warrior is just lackluster on high skill play.

I want to make 1 end remark and that is that warriors can completely shut down necros. Doing this makes them incredibly vulnerable to thiefs. But still this shouldn’t be possible. Hambow warriors with cleansing ire can remove 6condis/7s, that is to much. Adding an ICD of 7s to cleansing ire so 3condis/7s get removed would require clever play from the warrior to beat a necro.

But this is the only nerf needed for the warrior imo.

I agree with you Milkz

Also, when youtube wants to be cooperative.

I have a vid of my mesmer getting top score in an spvp game.
and my MM necro getting top score in an spvp game.

Ill grab one for the ele and engi when the other two are done.

Spvp, it is really easy to top charts when your team is good and you tag.

i had top kills too. and ZERO caps. i only looked for fights to show that one aspect…..and luckily got more. either way i have had never been on warrior. those glory points are soley the first ones ive earned on warrior as you saw. to NEVER play a class then do that well is insane. warrior is set up for nubs and bad players to do well. even high end players who are experienced on warrior can afford many mistakes. thieves cant afford any. maybe 1 if on carrion armor.

If you are playing who has the last word wins, we can do this all day long.
you had 2 cap, 1 decap, 2 defends on point
4 actuall kills in 10 min
14 ASSISTS which are called kills
wasnt even top score, playing from min 0then others didnt, and topping others in 10-20 points is nothing in spvp
rest of the warriors were in bottom of scoreboard, last in both of the teams, so op
ran in zerg did pathetic dmg or anything near to being op
died in seconds whenever targetet, op right
survived just because been in zerg 24/7

Clearly needs some tips from god called L2P

Ill just paste this every time you will talk about your video k?

Travlane.5948:

point was i led everything on my first try ever. fffffffffffpsh! lol like to see somebody else do this with 0 trieson thief full zerk and never logged on thief. have to proof like i didtho

you got amnesia or something?

Travlane.5948:

I said lets test it. i have never ever….seriously…ever even created a warrior. i just hate the whole “hulk smash” type of characters, they just dont appeal to me. point is i suck at warrior and could never be good if i duel without some time on the class. so i challenged himto a 1v1 , his thief (d/p general blind backstab build) vs a warrior i would make up on the spot. he accepts.

i make 0 0 30 10 30 warrior with full zerk gear and lyssa runes (crit) while using GS/LB with energy sigils. Basically my build had 23k hp. 3100 attack. 1500 toughness. very very high condi removal. very nice hp regen (410 per sec plus every 3 secs few hundred more from adrenaline), and great dmg with regular burns. a very strong well rounded build. i used ENDURE PAIN and HEALING SIGNET and DOLYAK SIGNET OF STAMINA. im sure most of you are familiar w/ it.

match one i win 40% hp left

match 2 i win 85% hp left

match 3 i win 100% hp left

each match took 45-1min 15 seconds. obvouisly i missed alot and fumbled and bumbled so im sure most could do it faster. hes not the best thief in the world but id give him a 7.5 out of 10 on the perfection scale. just to be fair and keep this in perspective. id guess i was like a 1.5 or 2 out of 10. i was clicking all the skills with mouse and reading them as fighting. popping all my signets when i shouldnt have been (figured that out after first battle which is why my left over HP went up so high).

reading YOUR OWN WORDS, it was at least 4th match, that means at least of 40 min of experience, and this is just from believing what you are telling.

You are so full of kittens, every time someone says something straig on point, u counter it with random fact bending and complete jibberish, that makes 0 sense related to mentioned arguments

and stop double/triple posting. there is a thing called copy paste. just copy 1 quote> back to thread, quote another person + paste copied quote…

^travlone here, read again (bold text). even if 500 people would tell you that high score in spvp shows nothing about class strengh, you would still not get it. You would be quet for 1 day and come back with another – here, i scored 180, class is op argument

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

i proved i have 0 experience

i scored best offense/defense/kills on my first try

i scored 2nd place in points…only 20 behind first

i did well considering 0 experience. id actually rate self at slightly above average.

this all goes towards the fact that warriors are OP. you are the only one in here that thinks not. seriously….fight everyone.

i proved i did well

i proved i was 0 experience

did i not? its ALL in the video.

Ill do this last time. Im really impatient when it comes to communicating with internet kids.

POINTS DOESNT SHOW YOUR SOLO PERFORMANCE AT PVP, ITS TEAM GAME, SO YOU GET POINTS TOGETHER.
Your points – 14×5 for tagging – 70. decap 1 time – 10. 2 times cap = 20, 20 for defender, 40 for acuall kills together with zerg, since you didnt stomp once.

So do the math. It was said 10 times you didnt accomplish anything but run with dominatig zerg. And losts of people wrote that warrior is not op, you just ignore them, because its against your view on things.

P.S. how was showed video your first try if in original post you claimed you played with warrior? doesnt count? You did HORRIBLE at that match, 0 damage, in those duels at treb in mid, where you outnumber guys 3×1. 2×1 and so on you fail to do any damage, miss skill, do random crap. You full channel on downed guardian does barely 5k damage lol, for that cast time what a damage right.

…

Btw if you admire score so much, look at the bottom of scoreboard on both teams. 2 Warriors. How can you explain that? warrior so op, so they sit in bottom of scoreboard? and getting 180 score in 10 min is just funny, …

Personally i would not use knightmare build.
From my personal experience, only 3 types of builds work – support, burst or bunker
with burst you try to kill target in less than 30s time in order to avoid their utilities coming off cooldown + big skills cooldowns. If you fail at that, enemy most of the time wins, (or fails, if his build is bunker/meant to take damage, then you go even)

Support i use is sword+warhorn/ axe+mace shouts x/x/x/30/20 build, or swap axe+ mace with hammer for more lockdown. not using this alone, since you dont do enough damage, but in team scenario giving everyone shouts and removing condi works really well.

You build ( again, only my opinion) – looks like lesser version of any hammer build. If you want to lock enemy, earthshaker ( 2s stun) > ham 2> ham 5 ( 4s total locdown) > ham 3 > ham 4 (5s+). with immobilise – enemies has way more ways to escape or blind you interupting combos.
+ having shield improves your survivability by alot, but really lacks power in killing enemy ( shield 4 harder to land than it looks)

Travlane.5948:

Bran.7425:

1) First of all I think the thread title is encouraging hostility not, open discussion.
2) It would seem that it is a few short post away from “You’re a poo-head, No you’re a poo-head” again not, open discussion.

Might be for the best if this thread gets closed.

no not really. the overpowerd warrior experiment is experimenting on the hypothesis that warriors are overpowered…which is a commonplace claim right now. you cant call a hypothesis socially pressing in any manner if it is a relevant issue and common idea or concept.

2) you are half right here. the people claiming warriors are OP are shoing vide*o* -s of warrior doing really well with ZERO experience having ever been on warrior…. and pictur*e* -s of them beating top tier players and the single guy that isnt is basically saying nanan nana boo boo i am rubber yhou are glue while supporting no picutres statitics or anything relevant other than ad hominem.

1) you didnt prove ANYTHING. Experiment is when you found out results of it, not when you have theory and you only there to prove it ( p.s. you even failed that part)
2) there was 1 video – yours, which, for the 50th saying this, showed you accomplishing nothing you claim. In 10 mins you been in 4 actual kills ( 1 kill in 2.5 min) and 14 tags ( assists, whish show up as kills).
3) its you who need to proff stuff, because you claim it
4) you didnt prove anything
5) you DID NOT prove anything
6) here is a basic list of people in this thread having opinion different than yours and your experiment validity:
Interceptor; SoulSin; apocom; Fenrir; Jelzouki; Cygnus; Julie Yann; bobomb; nicknamenick; Sanduskel; MiLkZz; IrishPotato; Solori; me
You can go back and read their posts, because you sure didnt do that.

JorneMormel.9850:

JETWING.2759:

Yesterday in WvW i faced a thief that abused of condition, stealth and steal. I can’t fight at range with LB because he just wait i use pin down to reflect with WA, this was every time, then when i tried go melee he just stealth and appeared at range to still spaming conditions and reflecting my arrows.

My opinion:

Remove reflect projectile from stolen WA, or also give this effect to warrior WA.

Let me get this straight. You were in WvW, the epitome of game balance, you lose to this one Thief and your conclusion is to buff Warriors?
Thank you for a good laugh!

Well same thing goes when thiefs lose to a warrior. They come to forums to cry for nerfs. Btw he said OR, not 1 and another, 1 OR another. Not saying his proposal is good, but reading helps these days

Viking Jorun.5413:

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

Jinchuu.4208:

bckerr.4798:

Stop QQ.
Thieves have become stealth dependent now, not damage dependent. Would give you many more dodges with +10% damage. Having stealth -10% damage is QQ.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding this because it’s worded so poorly but not all thieves rely on stealth. I can’t even remember the last time I actually put myself in stealth on mine.

since the infil return nerf yes most of them rely on stealth atleast a little. there is no more competitive non stealth builds. go play high end TPVP …ull get the idea.

condi removal (stealth related…unless u wanna count your signet for 1 condi)
blinds (blinding power is stealth related and so is the blind on stealth trait)
backstab/sneak attack(if you go condi or dagger direct dmg…both are used)
healing (best healing in class is in stealth)
defense(best defense other than dodging is here…every class has dodge tho)

s/d p/p s/d are just not played right now at a competitive lvl. yes your very very occaisonally see a s/d thief or a s/p thief but not enough to say its commonplace or even close to meta.

You are rank 13 confirmed baddie, what do you know about hight end pvp? Or competitve level? got no clue even how glory is awarded or how u get points in spvp, you spout your wisdom?

A food critic doesn’t need to know how to cook, nor does a movie critic need to know how to direct. High rank does not equal vast knowledge in PvP, and low rank does not equal little knowledge in PvP. An observer can be just as knowledgeable about the game mode as a seasoned veteran. This doesn’t mean I agree with Travlane – I rarely do. I’m simply pointing this out due to the fact that I see it dropped as an argument constantly when arguing points as far as GW2 PvP goes. It’s ignorant and elitist to assume that someone of a lower rank knows less (although it’s probably true for the majority of people, many of us who are deeply involved in the thief forum and crunch numbers know exactly what we’re talking about when it comes to PvP, the meta, and all other aspects without necessarily being rank 50+). Source: Former Team Legacy member and competitive high end player/spectator, only rank 24. I ran Lowell’s Unicorn Build as a mid-point bunker for a very, very long time. I was also a class lead and participated in every theorycrafting meeting the team had, some of which lasted 72 hours straight just crunching numbers and determining balance.

He just proved his knowledge on other thread ( and oh boy he did). And his knowledge is non existat/ pathetic.

Travlane.5948:

Jinchuu.4208:

bckerr.4798:

Stop QQ.
Thieves have become stealth dependent now, not damage dependent. Would give you many more dodges with +10% damage. Having stealth -10% damage is QQ.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding this because it’s worded so poorly but not all thieves rely on stealth. I can’t even remember the last time I actually put myself in stealth on mine.

since the infil return nerf yes most of them rely on stealth atleast a little. there is no more competitive non stealth builds. go play high end TPVP …ull get the idea.

condi removal (stealth related…unless u wanna count your signet for 1 condi)
blinds (blinding power is stealth related and so is the blind on stealth trait)
backstab/sneak attack(if you go condi or dagger direct dmg…both are used)
healing (best healing in class is in stealth)
defense(best defense other than dodging is here…every class has dodge tho)

s/d p/p s/d are just not played right now at a competitive lvl. yes your very very occaisonally see a s/d thief or a s/p thief but not enough to say its commonplace or even close to meta.

You are rank 13 confirmed baddie, what do you know about hight end pvp? Or competitve level? got no clue even how glory is awarded or how u get points in spvp, you spout your wisdom?

Travlane.5948:

i proved i have 0 experience

i scored best offense/defense/kills on my first try

i scored 2nd place in points…only 20 behind first

i did well considering 0 experience. id actually rate self at slightly above average.

this all goes towards the fact that warriors are OP. you are the only one in here that thinks not. seriously….fight everyone.

i proved i did well

i proved i was 0 experience

did i not? its ALL in the video.

Ill do this last time. Im really impatient when it comes to communicating with internet kids.

You didnt prove you had no experience – might have reached rank 13 with warrior, might have player even on pve and deleted, doesnt matter.

POINTS DOESNT SHOW YOUR SOLO PERFORMANCE AT PVP, ITS TEAM GAME, SO YOU GET POINTS TOGETHER.
Your points – 14×5 for tagging – 70. decap 1 time – 10. 2 times cap = 20, 20 for defender, 40 for acuall kills together with zerg, since you didnt stomp once.

So do the math. It was said 10 times you didnt accomplish anything but run with dominatig zerg. And losts of people wrote that warrior is not op, you just ignore them, because its against your view on things.

P.S. how was showed video your first try if in original post you claimed you played with warrior? doesnt count? You did HORRIBLE at that match, 0 damage, in those duels at treb in mid, where you outnumber guys 3×1. 2×1 and so on you fail to do any damage, miss skill, do random crap. You full channel on downed guardian does barely 5k damage lol, for that cast time what a damage right.

Im done here, go to your reading classes and get few A (or flowers in grade book/whatever your get for studies) before you answer posts.

Btw if you admire score so much, look at the bottom of scoreboard on both teams. 2 Warriors. How can you explain that? warrior so op, so they sit in bottom of scoreboard? and getting 180 score in 10 min is just funny, i can get more running around map decapping points. if i fight at team zerg for fun, in 8×8 its easy 300 points ore more.

Travlane.5948:

i wanna see somebody else join theif…..play full zerk…. show that they have 0 experience in thief …… and then score in the top kills top defense top offensive ranks in spvp on first try.

try ranger. try engineer. 0 experience. that means no lvl 80s. and 0 tries in spvp .

Why would anyone do that?
1. You failed to prove anything you said
2. You claim warriors are op, do you see other people in this thread claiming other classes are op?
3. Even your game you uploaded to youtube is not first, its minimum 4th as you claim. You can have countless practice on dummies/watching guides
4. If you have knowledge about other classes, you will do more than fine in pvp against new players, because you are bringing knowledge into a fight ( but in your video you evaded attacks 0 times, proves that you are complete noob not only on war but on any class)
5. You still hold on on those “top” stats? said 10 times, you got them for tagging. You didnt even have a clue that rank is shared in spvp, you have no clue how spvp works to begin with, maybe thats why you cant grasp of glory award system.
6. Just give up troll

Never played ranger, googling for 5s – a guide. http://intothemists.com/guides/2298-spirit_ranger_for_scrubs
You think i would do bad after reading that? on a fresh account if paired with rabbits rank like yours i would probably roll over 90% of people just with my knowledge.
(yet in your video you did absolutely no damage to enemies, nor killed anyone in even matches, im repeating myself because you cant read at your young age)

^ Read the original bullkitten post of OP and how he got busted. Even if locuz points were good ( a matter of opinion) about high level, this thread was the opposite – about low level. So means you didnt read everything like you claim, you read only what your buddy wrote?
And locuz main argument that warriors are too strong and op are because he allegedly beat thief in 1×1 ( who has high rank). Lol, what an argument to begin with

BolshoiBooze.3406:

Introp.8465:

Locuz.2651:

Its literally impossible to win a discussion vs people like Introp. No matter how far from the truth their make believe reality is. They will spin it around and create logic out of nonsense.

I remember their was a similar thread with a poster similar to introp. At the end ppl posted a duel video between Caed and Anastarcis. Two of the best, most epxerienced and highest rated people in the world.

You know what the guy said? “That thief sucks and is a typical player that complains about how weak thief is”.

You don’t win discussion. ever. If you have your side of argument, you can argue with other side. ARGUE, not win. You can reach some consensus on some points, but not on whole thing, because side already walk in with their experience.
Now while you think that you thinking your side of argument is complete truth is ok, and me thinking the same is wrong.
By the way your truth is far from reality for me. GOES BOTH WAYS
I offered to agree on disagree, yet you cant back off, really need to win on dem internets?
You made all that talking, that was your side of argument with no proof
Im actually done here.

You kids cant understand that other side could have their position and think that your view on the things are superior to others.

I just took the time to read through this entire discussion and holy kitten introp, stop acting like you have ANY idea of what works in PvP already. You have never played a single game of solo queue/team queue yet you claim to know everything when it comes to PvP. Locuz was making some good points and he was doing it in a rational way; all you’ve done is dance around the subject and make kitten up.
I don’t usually respond to discussions like this, but kitten it this had to be said.

sorry to dissapoint, ive done solo arena.
You having same positions means you see locuz points are good for you. Its as simple as it is. I dont know everything, i know enough to call out people’s bullkitten. didnt dance around subject at all, it was a lengthty argument with OP, which is not locuz.

^ cutting wall of text

You didnt have top kills, you had top TAGS
tagging is when you hit enemy once, team kills it. it counts as a kill

You had the best skill for tagging – lb burst, which covers insane space.
I wont repeat myself, you simply cannot read.
You did nothing but follow a WINNING teams zerg and tag. When team wins by 250 points, means team is better than enemy. You did absolytely nothing to add on that win. When you were not targeted ( like 95% of the time), you did no damage, maybe thats why enemy ignored you.

Travlane.5948:

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

Top player objective ASSAULTER
Top Player objective DEFENDER
Top Player Kills

2nd place overall with 140 points (i didnt cap and was only 20 behind 1st)

i have no experience on warrior

i did well and my inexperience shined through

was a close match not like a blow out. some sucked im sure and some where prolly ranked.

either way this shows even a new player never played warrior can do well even when running through AOES and never running from 5v2s like in beginning where i died a couple times.

there you go….i proved both things…..im nub on warrior and can do well.
WATCH WHOLE THING

http://youtu.be/CJPvRidFuIo

Ok, watched it.
Never on 1×1 fight. When enemy focus you you die in 3 seconds. They dont try to stomp, teammates ress. Then you hit people in their back for 2 min, againt geting focused, die in 3s, they dont stomp.

After that you join zerg and run with them, again, no evenly matched duels, you stick behind lines doing random crap tagging people. You get focused at the end of that reb defence, where you fail to kill guarding outnumbering him?.. die in few seconds, got stomped. Continue to follow team zerg.

So with your original post you count that remaining hp in zerg fight?
Because when i play spvp, i roam alone, assault far point, decap where needed, attack treb and so on, im always on even duels be that 1×1, 2×2 or outnumbered, and warrior is getting focused there, because believe me, once stance are down ( i dont use them), you are on easy target to hit.

to sum up – your video show rolling in winning teams zerg, tagging opponents geting points for that. When being targeted= melt in seconds, unless delaying death few sec with stance.

Travlane.5948:

kids? im prrrrrrrrrrobably older than you considering im older than the average player.

doubt that. Im finishing my masters in university, you can presume age.

yeah…umm even fights….only ones that werent really were the beginning couple wher ei was outnumbered 5v2 and 4v2….either way ….if what u say was true how did other people get close to me in score? i wasnt capping and i wasnt bunkering. i was strictly looking for fights. i could have owned the scoreboard if i did capping. such a silly thing to say.

group v group battles show power. 1v1 is all about build v build. and experience/skill vs experience/skill.

no matter what evidence i show you.

BOTTOM LINE>

i owned that SPVP match (best overall)

and i have 0 experience.

there is only 1 explanation for this. warrior is OP. u cant deny the stats and lack of matches.

Nope, you didnt own, team you were in did. I can guarantee game wasnt even for most part or enemy didnt play for objectives. You can see your team always having + 2 nodes and zerking in mid, enemy didnt even try to decap. Capping nodes you get less score than zerging. Kill = 15(less if not stomped) points for tag, decap and cap – 20 points, takes alot of time, you need to succeed, got travel time in between.

You didnt look for fights, you were following zerg. 1 thing is spectacular at the beggining – 4 enemy focusing teammate mesmer for 1 min not being able to kill him, ignoring you.

And your key to big score – dropping lb blast on nodes. Covers its all, 2-3 + enemies get tagged.

In whole video you landed 0 100b hits ( 1 time on downed guardian), randomly used skills TAGING enemy your team killed, getting point for that. It was not you who did the damage, you barely scrapped any of them.

Guess what – this stuff doesnt happen on even fight or in duels, you get rekt ( like you did when enemy finally focused you).
To sum up, you played terrible ( as you claimed), team won the game actually capping, using treb in first part of video. enemy had 3 guardians and they didnt keep nodes.
And you were outnumbered once, in the start of the video in mentioned mesmer tanking all enemy 4 guys ( proves their skill tbh), from that points it was you always outnumbering that “skilled” enemy team

Travlane.5948:

Top player objective ASSAULTER
Top Player objective DEFENDER
Top Player Kills

2nd place overall with 140 points (i didnt cap and was only 20 behind 1st)

i have no experience on warrior

i did well and my inexperience shined through

was a close match not like a blow out. some sucked im sure and some where prolly ranked.

either way this shows even a new player never played warrior can do well even when running through AOES and never running from 5v2s like in beginning where i died a couple times.

there you go….i proved both things…..im nub on warrior and can do well.
WATCH WHOLE THING

http://youtu.be/CJPvRidFuIo

Ok, watched it.
Never on 1×1 fight. When enemy focus you you die in 3 seconds. They dont try to stomp, teammates ress. Then you hit people in their back for 2 min, againt geting focused, die in 3s, they dont stomp.

After that you join zerg and run with them, again, no evenly matched duels, you stick behind lines doing random crap tagging people. You get focused at the end of that reb defence, where you fail to kill guarding outnumbering him?.. die in few seconds, got stomped. Continue to follow team zerg.

So with your original post you count that remaining hp in zerg fight?
Because when i play spvp, i roam alone, assault far point, decap where needed, attack treb and so on, im always on even duels be that 1×1, 2×2 or outnumbered, and warrior is getting focused there, because believe me, once stance are down ( i dont use them), you are on easy target to hit.

to sum up – your video show rolling in winning teams zerg, tagging opponents geting points for that. When being targeted= melt in seconds, unless delaying death few sec with stance.

Travlane.5948:

kids? im prrrrrrrrrrobably older than you considering im older than the average player.

doubt that. Im finishing my masters in university, you can presume age.

Locuz.2651:

Its literally impossible to win a discussion vs people like Introp. No matter how far from the truth their make believe reality is. They will spin it around and create logic out of nonsense.

I remember their was a similar thread with a poster similar to introp. At the end ppl posted a duel video between Caed and Anastarcis. Two of the best, most epxerienced and highest rated people in the world.

You know what the guy said? “That thief sucks and is a typical player that complains about how weak thief is”.

You don’t win discussion. ever. If you have your side of argument, you can argue with other side. ARGUE, not win. You can reach some consensus on some points, but not on whole thing, because side already walk in with their experience.
Now while you think that you thinking your side of argument is complete truth is ok, and me thinking the same is wrong.
By the way your truth is far from reality for me. GOES BOTH WAYS
I offered to agree on disagree, yet you cant back off, really need to win on dem internets?
You made all that talking, that was your side of argument with no proof
Im actually done here.

You kids cant understand that other side could have their position and think that your view on the things are superior to others.

Travlane.5948:

ok if i prove im total warrior nub. and i do decently to well…. whats that say? if i can prove both. what would that suggest.

so for the love of whats holy in this world. PROVE YOUR FIRST POST STATEMENT. You done nothing of that sort till now. and your buddy coming to post, thats rich

Since you really cant understand how others view your point- If i create thief, do well with it in spvp with my fresh account being paired with completely new players ( because i got knowledge of game and other classes and how to play against them), this means that thief is OP, it needs nerf asap and just because i did it thats what should happen?

And editing your post and writing in one would help. jeez, i got a feeling im dealing of person my age minus 10-15 years.
*Hint – im not that old

Travlane.5948:

INTROP im total nub on warrior. the experience is known simple. i dont play warrior .

You still cant grasp it?

Azukas.1426:

Warrior is OP

I agree with Trav in that he has literally zero experience on a warrior but had zero problems vs an experienced thief.

Intra/Bob need to look at this w/out the bias they exhibit

How can you agree with totally unknown person about his experience.
P.S vs experienced thief? wat?
You taking 1 side of argument = bias as well, you exhibit same bias as trav does

Travlane.5948:

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

bobomb.5209:

Travlane.5948:

bobomb.5209:

Level 2 anything just means that you only play PvP honestly.
I have a level 2 Elementalist

if i have a lvl 13 pvp account (is pvp character or account based?) either way it will prove.

lvl 2 warrior. no rank spvp.

all other characters lvl 80 (guard engineer THIEF necro) and no rank or 13 rank spvp.

i mean… pfft right? how does that say i dont play warrior? i have never logged onto a warrior until that experient.

Pssssssssssssst this is PvP not WvW. If you have really played PvP long and on multiple characters you would’ve noticed PvP rank is account bound.

Also rank 13 is not high, that’s barely above Rabbit.

It seems to me as though you are either lying, or completely unqualified to run this “experiment”.

Edit: It is impossible to have a character with 13 rank in PvP and another character with 0 rank in PvP

THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT! im a total warrior nub! so me playing a good thief and then 15 matches of spvp and crushin it…. that alone says warrior is set up so even nubs can play them on a competitive level.

so me showing a pic of a lvl 2 warrior with no rank in spvp….. DOES give validity that i dont play. i just found out from locuz picture i can show my pvp stats too! that would prove it again! theres no way you could say me showing a pic doesnt prove it. utter silliness. im sorry its beyond you

Can you google the meaning of word proof and provide it? because what is see your proof if shared rank 13 on spvp characters? And thats it? Have you ever said something that other people simply didnt believe because it sounded unreal?
I have to admit, i would believe guy like locuz more than you. At least he is making sense and he simply has other side of an argument. What you provide is some random babling

me = never played warrior before
me = not play much in spvp
me = good in wvw and duels
me = good in pve

so…. if I do very well with warrior ….. what does that say?

warrior might be OP! thats what. its set up so anyone can do well.

read your original post. Now look at that evidence to your claim. ( sorry, my english language is based on my studies, since eng is not my native language)

Problem is
1st. You said you dont have any experience with warrior: you can crate level 2 warrior, play 100 games, delete it. create another level 2 warrior – rank is shared.
2nd. being good at wvw means nothing at being good at spvp. ( and again its you who claim you are good)
3rd. YOU PROVIDED ABSOLUTELY 0 PROOF/EVIDENCE ABOUT YOU OWNING PEOPLE WITH MENTIONED WARRIOR. I COULD HAVE HAPPENED ( VERY UNLIKELY, BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU ARE SKILLED YOU CAN’T DO CRAP LIKE THAT) OR THIS WAS JUST PART OF YOUR IMAGINATION.
4th. Low rank = paired with new people who have limited game knowledge about other classes and how to play game on basics. They are not only learning their class, but opponet classes as well.
5th. Not bringing age into this, but your arguing really shows flaws in any logic.