Guild Wars 2

Travlane.5948:

im a nub…………….rrrrrrrr ddddddddddddddhhhhhhhhh

YEP. especially with random reply like this

Travlane.5948:

bobomb.5209:

Travlane.5948:

bobomb.5209:

Level 2 anything just means that you only play PvP honestly.
I have a level 2 Elementalist

if i have a lvl 13 pvp account (is pvp character or account based?) either way it will prove.

lvl 2 warrior. no rank spvp.

all other characters lvl 80 (guard engineer THIEF necro) and no rank or 13 rank spvp.

i mean… pfft right? how does that say i dont play warrior? i have never logged onto a warrior until that experient.

Pssssssssssssst this is PvP not WvW. If you have really played PvP long and on multiple characters you would’ve noticed PvP rank is account bound.

Also rank 13 is not high, that’s barely above Rabbit.

It seems to me as though you are either lying, or completely unqualified to run this “experiment”.

Edit: It is impossible to have a character with 13 rank in PvP and another character with 0 rank in PvP

THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT! im a total warrior nub! so me playing a good thief and then 15 matches of spvp and crushin it…. that alone says warrior is set up so even nubs can play them on a competitive level.

so me showing a pic of a lvl 2 warrior with no rank in spvp….. DOES give validity that i dont play. i just found out from locuz picture i can show my pvp stats too! that would prove it again! theres no way you could say me showing a pic doesnt prove it. utter silliness. im sorry its beyond you

Can you google the meaning of word proof and provide it? because what is see your proof if shared rank 13 on spvp characters? And thats it? Have you ever said something that other people simply didnt believe because it sounded unreal?
I have to admit, i would believe guy like locuz more than you. At least he is making sense and he simply has other side of an argument. What you provide is some random babling

Locuz.2651:

Thing is im 100% unbiased. I played almost all classes extensively in pvp and i played warrior the most. So why would i pick on warriors unless there was a reason for it?

allright lets agree to disagree. This is getting nowhere.
You think that warriors are Op
I think that Warriors are easy to play and are “op” only on low skill level/ so called noob level
deal?
P.S. you taking side is a sign of being bias.

Locuz.2651:

Introp youre a hotjoin hero that claims that he wins 50% of his 1v1s vs other hotjoin people….while playing warrior. Hotjoin players are in 99.99% of the cases a lot worse than the guys youll meet in soloq (esp if youre in the top 1000). The only exception is a random soloq player that does some hotjoins while waiting for queues to pop.

Meanwhile youre arrogant and pretend you have a clue. Play a couple of 100 games in the top 1000 and come back. Untill then, please be quiet.

Why are you writing without a video proof?
Sorry to bust your bubble, i win 50% 1×1 versus good players, doesn’t mean bad one fall like flies.
Hotjoin players are in 99.99% of the cases a lot better than the guys youll meet in soloq (esp if youre in the top 1000). ( i wrote it, means its a fact and totally true)

Meanwhile youre arrogant and want a praise for your skill or cookie, or both.
Come back with video proof of thief warrior duel. Untill then, please be quiet.

Travlane.5948:

bobomb.5209:

Level 2 anything just means that you only play PvP honestly.
I have a level 2 Elementalist

if i have a lvl 13 pvp account (is pvp character or account based?) either way it will prove.

lvl 2 warrior. no rank spvp.

all other characters lvl 80 (guard engineer THIEF necro) and no rank or 13 rank spvp.

i mean… pfft right? how does that say i dont play warrior? i have never logged onto a warrior until that experient.

That doesnt say anything on you beating your opponent, not dying in matches and so on. it only means you have created warrior. Rest is on your imagination. You really think that people take everything 100% as truth in internet? its heaven for trolls

bobomb.5209:

Level 2 anything just means that you only play PvP honestly.

i presume he doenst have level 2 everything because he said he is thief player in wvw. And what would being only spvp player has to do with his original statement? you make even less sense

Travlane.5948:

i can show you my account. would u like to see the lvl 2 warrior?

can you make some sense? ill see a level 2 warior and then what?

Travlane.5948:

Introp.8465:

Introp.8465:

Show me the video proof of non edited 1×1 with same skill level thief ( adding a proof that duel is not rigged, asking some buddy to lose) or gtfo with your dumb statements.

^ still waiting. You rank on leaderboards is pathetic, you can now stop pointing at it as if would be lifetime achievement. 52% w/l in any team game is average for a person who has normal reaction time and some game knowledge.

P.S. im too lazy to rip you words out of context, just imagine i did so

leaderboards mean kitten. seriously. kitten. you cant look at leaderboards and determine personal skill. only thing you can affirm is they are PROBABLY decent/better. its a team game. not individual. however that said they most of the time are pretty good. but even so that doesnt mean somebody who is not ranked ….sux. i beat ranked players all the time. good fights but i dont see them as “pros” …alot of them anyway…. i got most my 1v1 experience in wvw….. which is harder bc people hit harder. anyway all im saying is ASSUMPTION is the mother of all F ups. dont assume.

if you would like me to prove my point…come duel my lvl 13 arssse spvp. yeapo thats right im only lvl 13 ill put youin a video on this forum.

sorry, was too lazy to put in quote for pro above, allmighty locuz.

Me beating you on war vs war duel will prove nothing.
Seems you are OP, i really doubt you rolled over people with fresh new warrior http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0 .
95% games in 8×8 hotjoin are uneven. game starts as five versus 6 for example ( lets take 5 as red). red loses 50-100 points when game becomes 6×6, 1 red guy ragequit due to lower score. difference becomes over 100-200, game will always have less people on losing side. If you got carried by uneven games, gratz. Maybe as you are rank 13 you get paired with people who are playing mesmers for the first time, in my games people know their kitten and gl in 1×1 duels rolling over anything.
Your experience in wvw, lol. In spvp people always duel on almost equal numbers improving their skill, not roam in zergs ( allthough mid zerg games happen alot) or roam and ambush pve noobies who are there to admire nature.

Show me the video proof of non edited 1×1 with same skill level thief ( adding a proof that duel is not rigged, asking some buddy to lose) or gtfo with your dumb statements.

Here

Introp.8465:

Show me the video proof of non edited 1×1 with same skill level thief ( adding a proof that duel is not rigged, asking some buddy to lose) or gtfo with your dumb statements.

^ still waiting. You rank on leaderboards is pathetic, you can now stop pointing at it as if would be lifetime achievement. 52% w/l in any team game is average for a person who has normal reaction time and some game knowledge.

P.S. im too lazy to rip you words out of context, just imagine i did so

Locuz.2651:

Amonatory.2453:

You guys have to remember, the people who cry about warriors are obviously not a skilled player.. Now, heal sig does need the nerf it’s getting but honestly the only time I lose to a warrior is when I mess up. In my opinion warriors are an easy class, but not OP..

Pretty much all top tier tpvp players made statements like that. So i guess all those guys are not skilled?

I think you are talking about wvw where 99.99% of the players are comparable to trashmobs difficulty wise. Its really bold to make claims that something is OP or not if meeting guys that are on par skillwise is a rarity. AND there is somewhat of a powercreep in wvw due to ascended gear and certain nerfs not being applied to wvw.

oh look here he goes again, spouting random things which become “facts” because he said so.
Atctually never seen pro players with mentioned statements. Im sorry, your allmighty rank is far away from pro, but we can add you statement to those whiners who has trouble learning to play

ReesesPBC.4603:

The only real way to have controlled experiments and results would be to take people who have never played the game and have them play all the classes against all the classes and then poll them to see what they thought was easy/difficult. And then would have to factor in what kind of builds they used and etc which would take forever and would result in the warrior being easiest as it is “user friendly” and probably ele/rng among the difficult. The OP is still just trying to relay his experience with the factor of time vs skill vs success rate. From what Locuz is pointing out it seems he’s also pointing out the contrary to what people are saying; that at higher level of play warrior loses its ground while he’s able to take down a Rank 20 thief when he’s rank 500, which is a huge gap if that’s any indicator of skill, which I think it is.

taking 1 random picture of beating rank 20 not on legit in 1×1 duel but in team match proves that he killed him. nothing more than that. we have no clue on what grounds fight happened. We dont know if mentioned warrior didnt die 8 times after that.
And who takes photos of random kills – thats seems odd to me. Either he is in thread for kitten’is boost or i have not a slightest clue.
And you experiment would show which class is easiest to play, not which class is op.

Locuz.2651:

Introp.8465:

No, i mean its your word only. I dont see this thief here, do you?
This means that any bullkitten you said, i dont buy it. You can tell you beat 2 thiefs at the same time using axe 1 chains.

Your points are based on your words/fantasy. You screenshot proves nothing, so dont expect me to believe it. Only people siding with ‘warrior is OP’ will buy it, because they have same side of the argument.

Lets be honest here. Even if i came with video proof, you would find an excuse. Every neutral person can see that. Find me a thief that can kill me 1v1 (within a reasonable timeframe) or gtfo with your dumb statements.

Fact is tho that i played warrior extensively against top tier competition (while you havent). Most players in the game on that screenshot for example are top 10-100*. And I know its to strong atm. Especially at the top of the leaderboard.

• http://www.gw2score.com/PvP

I dont need to prove anything, you came with your ‘proof’ which proved nothing, now, when things went south, you are trying to shift the burden of proof to me? Its very reasonable right. According to you i would need to find a thief which would be willing to 1×1 you, him sacrificing his time for what?
Show me the video proof of non edited 1×1 with same skill level thief ( adding a proof that duel is not rigged, asking some buddy to lose) or gtfo with your dumb statements.

Btw guy as you claimed to beat ( doubt it happened on even grounds) has 62% w/l, while you got 52%. If you are so op, why you dont have higher win rate?
Oh, let me guess, maybe because game is not about 1×1, what do you think?
P.S. there are factor to performance as well – person can test a build, play with irl friends who are bad making game to a 3×5 scenario and so on. And yesterday i created a thief, entered hotjoin and beat rank war 2 on leaderboards 3 times in a row, ask him if you dont believe.

Locuz.2651:

Introp.8465:

Its your word against no ones. Im non buying that
And you dont need 3 stances if you can play the game, seems like being top means just to play a lot, not to play good

You mean its my word + the thiefs? Do you think you can do better than him on thief? Feel free to proof me wrong.

Nah being top means the guy can play. Unless he got in to a lucky streak on a new account that skyrocketed his MMR. Which isnt the case if you look at his record.

No, i mean its your word only. I dont see this thief here, do you?
This means that any bullkitten you said, i dont buy it. You can tell you beat 2 thiefs at the same time using axe 1 chains.

Your points are based on your words/fantasy. You screenshot proves nothing, so dont expect me to believe it. Only people siding with ‘warrior is OP’ will buy it, because they have same side of the argument.

Locuz.2651:

Introp.8465:

im sorry this shows what?
Thief was attacking far point. You could have found him with 10% hp, without cooldowns and so on. These ‘proofs’ are funny.
Btw im sorry for your if you run 3 stance build. Shows everything about your skill. 3 stance build is not op, but requires 0 skill to play, which you are proud of it seems.

I fought him 3 times in pure 1v1s that game, all of them he lost hard. Feel free to ask him.

Everyone at the top of the ladder runs 3 stances. To say something about something that is so standard shows how little you know about warrior gameplay at the top of the leaderboards.

AND i only needed my balance stance during that fight. So i guess that means im extra skilled!

Its your word against no ones. Im non buying that
And you dont need 3 stances if you can play the game, seems like being top means just to play a lot, not to play good

Locuz.2651:

I guess im just amazingly skilled on warrior. Note how i didnt need any of my damage immunities. Thief is currently rank 24 on eu leaderboards. So much skill…amazing

im sorry this shows what?
Thief was attacking far point. You could have found him with 10% hp, without cooldowns and so on. These ‘proofs’ are funny.
Btw im sorry for your if you run 3 stance build. Shows everything about your skill. 3 stance build is not op, but requires 0 skill to play, which you are proud of it seems.

scabrous.7835:

So SB #3 is your perma evade skill? LMAO, there’re 3 viable tpvp specs for a thief (4 if we include Argh’s version). 10/30/0/0/30 DP, 10/30/0/30/0 SD, 10/30/0/0/30 SP and Argh’s 10/0/0/30/30 – each of these specs is quite potent itself but if it wasn’t for the Shadow Refuge’s utility that adds to the aforementioned potency, literally, no one will take a thief into a competitive team because warrior atm can in ALMOST every situation outperfom a thief. I got off the topic a bit.

Class is balanced when for the number of classes you can defeat, there’s an equal number of classes that can defeat you (given that players are of equal skill levels). It’s not the case for the warriors. Instead of arguing whether warrior is over the top (where vast majority of players from the top of the ladder agree that it is) we should focus on tonning it down in such a way that:
1) skill floor and ceiling rise
2) class is still viable in tPvP and small scale wvw roaming

EDIT: Situation that you’ve mentioned is either hotjoin heros, yoloq or zerg trolls and not something that posses any threat to anyone who has half a brain and is semi competent. It’s getting too personal so I won’t post anymore in this thread. My 2 cents are several posts above.

Eh, so good players saying that warrior loses to every class 1×1 maybe except ranger means what? that warrior is op?
warrior is easy to play, and noobs on warrior beat other noobs on other classes, because there is little depth into skillset.
I dont buy pro teams argument. Take for example dota 2. Game is big, competitive scene is huge, yet pro teams always find heroes which where not buffed to be so good. 4-6 month it can be in shadow untill people discover it.
From my prespective – guild wars 2 as competitive is non existant, so not many people can spend their time on mastering it.
So just because this flavour of the month for top team is 2 warriors, doesnt mean that FOR EXAMPLE a team with 5 eles would not work – because people wont even try that, wont work on it to actually to work because it wont pay off in put in time.

P.S. I would call my tpvp skill average, playing mostly hotjoin, but in 1×1 duels ( but game is not about them) on same skill opponents i go even with thiefs ( mostly die to them or they retreat), mesmers, eles, engis, guardians. So i see this as somehow balanced

And sb3 6 evades + heal evade + 5/6 regular evades with vigor from healing equals 12 non stop, one after another evades. 13 with minimal delay. IF you actually hit in between few attacks, this bunny hopping becomes permanent, lmao right

my for fun build for spvp – logbow + rifle
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJATUjcO1uBPGPMxBEzjfgIKiThAU9wO2w2A-ToAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNKYVA

Thing thats you must have – stomp (to deal with thief openers and eles updraft start of combo) + good to prevent stomps or caps, good to kick thief out his shadow refuge.
Another thing – either signet of fury ( then you have to skip dolyak) or healing surge, to boost you adrenaline to max before the fight or to use right after kill shot.

Condition removal – 36s stamina signet and 48s on signet of rage ( allthough i sometimes skip lyssa rune, picking ogre, because what you lack is mobility, and not using rage signet means you walk as slow as kitten escort npc.)

Weakpoints – as mentioned – conditions and mobility ( try cleansing after condi burst, taking some of damage but better than having condi reapplied afters 2s).

Gameplay – my combo would look like lb5 + lb3 + walking to face lb2+ swap + rifle 5 knockback + rifle3 + rifle 2+ swap into lb3.
use lb blind to counter hits, dont waste it.
Rifle 5 is really hard to land, people wont wait and stand
Main damage comes from rifle 3 (7-10k full damage) and lb3 (5-8k on crit)
Using killshot only when starting the fight to test if people evade skills, or into mass of people praying it to pierce / distracted targets.

key to the build is always keep full adrenaline to gain 15% damage and crit.

To be honest build works wonders, rifle 3 hits in between people evades, lb3 really good on multiple targets or stealthed targets right before they hit you.

Massive damage but 1×1 you are relying on burst and opponent being bad/no expecting burst with lb3

scabrous.7835:

Introp.8465:

Here, for comparison thief build, since you all like to compare warrior to NOTHING
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fIEQNAseSjkOtwBPGPMxBE0DNsK4iThxT9wO2w4A-j0CBYfCiEEg0yQkFA5mKrZnCiVNFRjVbDT5SQW7KpGcASBY1WA-w
You get near unlimited dodges if you wish (bunny hopping), 13 with withdraw and 0.5s upime to next combo ( cooldown to next heal to set initiative and gain vigor)
You get boost steal, with lots of boon and boon ripping
You get lost if invisibility on top of that, 2 stun breakers, team invisibility and poison/smoke shield for team.

stat difference compared to war build ( in spvp, where eveyone is equal on items and no foods)
power – 2839 to 2944
crit chance 43% to 47%
armor – 2180 to 2768
Hp – 16095 to 21662
Boon duration % 20 to 0
crit damage% 20 to 50

So stats are lower, biggest difference is in hp – 5,5k and armor
in return for UNLIMITED evades, high uptime easy accesible stealth on top of that, good condi removal ( only needed vs full condi specs, power onces wont be able to touch you)

To sum up – evey class is UNIQUE
Warrior is easy to pick up and play, other classes has higher learning curves
putting random builds and numbers into mid air proves nothing
Guild wars 2 is about avoiding the damage, not only doing damage

And for the love of jeebus, 4s invulnerability to phys damage every 1 min? just dont hit warrior for 4s, is that too hard? apply conditions, immob, slow him, run around for 4 seconds.

The link is incorrect. But it’s acro S/D I presume. You couldn’t have brought any worse argument here that is giving thief spec to a thief (as I main one since release). I have good understanding of warrior mechanics as well as every other class since it’s mandatory to pvp/wvw effectively. After nerfed Infiltrator’s Return, S/D is hard countered by warriors whereas trickery D/P has higher chance of fighting toe-to-toe.
The whole trick to fighting S/D is using your key skills during afte Flanking Strike(mediocre aftercast) or during Larcenous Strike(long animation and key skill hence it’s vital for a thief to complete it). But that’s not the point. The key factor to warrior OPness atm is having all the tools at your disposal as I’ve already said.

PS Perma evade doesn’t exist. Also, if by any chance the spec you wanted to link is super trollish SB/SB or Trickery S/P – your agument is invalid as those specs (despite having strong sides) are nowhere near as capable as warrior is.

sorry for mistake, here is the build. permaevade
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAV4alYmaP3cS6E/5EBnCnmUvHkdshtTBXpKA-TsAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFN+YFy+DA

only 1s delays in between constant evades with shortbow and regular evade.
and its not rare to meet one in spvp. Seen few thiefs just runing into 3-4 people on cap, if he gets stunned – brakes and runs, if not, messes up with people taking away their attention, making them chase him, decaping and causing more chaos. You just cant hit it, and if you stay to fight, he will slowly chip you down.
Met poison evade thief who waited out till every def. ability used – applies poison and just evades in circles. Gl trying to cleanse that with allmighty ire when you actually cant connect hits.

And its funny to hear people playing class from the beta and so on. Those people tend to think of 1 viable build and dont test anything else before patch hits. Find another cookie cutter – done improvising.
Played times means nothing, just proves you got game knowledge, not any skill

Here, for comparison thief build, since you all like to compare warrior to NOTHING
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAV4alYmaP3cS6E/5EBnCnmUvHkdshtTBXpKA-TsAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFN+YFy+DA
You get near unlimited dodges if you wish (bunny hopping), 13 with withdraw and 0.5s upime to next combo ( cooldown to next heal to set initiative and gain vigor)
You get boost steal, with lots of boon and boon ripping
You get lost if invisibility on top of that, 2 stun breakers, team invisibility and poison/smoke shield for team.

stat difference compared to war build ( in spvp, where eveyone is equal on items and no foods)
power – 2839 to 2944
crit chance 43% to 47%
armor – 2180 to 2768
Hp – 16095 to 21662
Boon duration % 20 to 0
crit damage% 20 to 50

So stats are lower, biggest difference is in hp – 5,5k and armor
in return for UNLIMITED evades, high uptime easy accesible stealth on top of that, good condi removal ( only needed vs full condi specs, power onces wont be able to touch you)

To sum up – evey class is UNIQUE
Warrior is easy to pick up and play, other classes has higher learning curves
putting random builds and numbers into mid air proves nothing
Guild wars 2 is about avoiding the damage, not only doing damage

And for the love of jeebus, 4s invulnerability to phys damage every 1 min? just dont hit warrior for 4s, is that too hard? apply conditions, immob, slow him, run around for 4 seconds.

ReesesPBC.4603:

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

Thedenofsin.7340:

Fenrir.3609:

Having a low skill base requirement and being OP are two very, very different things.

All you are demonstrating is a combination of two things –
1. Warrior is potentially easier to pick up and play for new players (hard to deny).
2. You seem to be unclear about the difference between something OP and something easy to learn to a basic level of competency.

Warrior may be OP, but your experiment and post certainly does nothing to prove that to be the case.

Chappy stated when they see tPvP teams running 2 of a profession, it’s a sign the profession is imbalanced.

Cheese Mode has been mopping up tournaments running double warrior.

QED

correct. i ran a warrior (first time player EVER) the other day in spvp. i was mopping up fools i never died more than once or sometimes twice. i play thief all day and still die alot more. i only played thief hard core (some engi some guard too) since release. warrior is way OP. cut the healing in half and the condi removal in half and make a longer cooldown for distance attacks that are gap closers when they dont hit and that willhelp balance alot.

Just because you play class for a long time doesnt mean your are good with it.
You statements sounds like this –
yesterday i played thief for the first time, was on top score always, never died, always killed people in me versus 3 fights not dropping below 80% hp.
thief is way OP. They should remove any healing spell, change stealth that taking damage reveals thief, remove half on initiative points.

That comparison doesn’t really help because the comparison he is making is that of his experience with, I’m assuming his main class, versus that of a class he has no familiarity with being far more successful. Meaning to say that he was more easily rewarded for the class he spent one day on versus the class he, assuming, spent one year on.

It makes complete sense. He spouts random nonsense and technically he has to “provide” evidence or some proof ( general rule in evidence, because for other side it would be near impossible to do so).
Yet he writes random facts and we have to believe it? Believe my statement of thiefs then, same proof as his.
This forums is full on whiners and people who are horrible at pvp yet they want to kill others without any skill or time investment to actually improve.

Travlane.5948:

Thedenofsin.7340:

Fenrir.3609:

Having a low skill base requirement and being OP are two very, very different things.

All you are demonstrating is a combination of two things –
1. Warrior is potentially easier to pick up and play for new players (hard to deny).
2. You seem to be unclear about the difference between something OP and something easy to learn to a basic level of competency.

Warrior may be OP, but your experiment and post certainly does nothing to prove that to be the case.

Chappy stated when they see tPvP teams running 2 of a profession, it’s a sign the profession is imbalanced.

Cheese Mode has been mopping up tournaments running double warrior.

QED

correct. i ran a warrior (first time player EVER) the other day in spvp. i was mopping up fools i never died more than once or sometimes twice. i play thief all day and still die alot more. i only played thief hard core (some engi some guard too) since release. warrior is way OP. cut the healing in half and the condi removal in half and make a longer cooldown for distance attacks that are gap closers when they dont hit and that willhelp balance alot.

Just because you play class for a long time doesnt mean your are good with it.
You statements sounds like this –
yesterday i played thief for the first time, was on top score always, never died, always killed people in me versus 3 fights not dropping below 80% hp.
thief is way OP. They should remove any healing spell, change stealth that taking damage reveals thief, remove half on initiative points.

I would not call it op, but stolen skill from warrior should be changed.
So many times in 2×2 scenario ( vs 2 thiefs) ive seen then stealing whirling axes and just spining on 1 squishy. That instant burst added to thief opener just melts squishies. Heck, thief will combo it with a cripple/immob + blind, and do 9k+ damage on war itself ( done it myself). Its not always fresh fight, people have cooldowns on their skills, evades, interupts. And gl interrupting being blinded, you will effin miss.
Whirling axes are op in 1 scenario, when target is immobilised and cant brake that.

As i said, main problem is whirling axes in not 1×1, even in 1×1 its too strong because you have to invest in avoiding thief damage itself, and he can do 9k without any initiative. And geniuses who tell to trade with thief when he spins – no thief will use it when you have full hp, they will use their skills, will get you to ~35%, steal, spin, and finish off with heartseeker/whatever.

threads like this should be deleted immediately. There is at least 1 IDENTICAL nonsense thread here https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Please-Nerf-Warriors/first, on main page. Same falses statements and rage from people who are horrible at game.
To OP – quit this game if you die to easiest class to play with and against.
I’ve seen few videos of warriors roaming in wvw ( seen in main page) where opponents just eat every single attack and are so bad at game it hurts. Pro tip – create warrior, enter spvp, play 20 games. Enjoy people there actually knowing how to fight and beating you every single time.

good thing that no one cares. here, have this, easy to play, no op stuff
http://www.thesims3.com/

Trixie.7614:

MiniMe.1960:

MidoriMarch.8067:

Nerf warriors best at everything

highest toughness
highest HP
having massive attack damage while extremely tanky + healing signet hp regen OP
having ridiculous mobility that outruns thief
having 20k+ hp and 2600+ toughness while wearing full berserk set having massive attack damage
+ more

I have all professions and warriors are far superior than any other classess while its extremely easy to play u can just facepalm everything in pve/pvp/wvw.

What a bunch of crap, almost everything not true. Get over the books and come again if you have something true to say.

Pardon me, but which one is not true?

Actually spend time reading above posts. Pulling your head out of kitten helps too. Or do some research before you spout nonsense

One thing i hate in spvp – more than 2 mesmers in 1 place. And god help if all are asuras ( and if you somehow cleave those clones).
1 game in hotjoin enemy had 4 mesmers, 3 rangers and engi – poor guy was jumped so much he ragequit, while sea of clones kittened the rest of the people.
But its fine, part of the game

only shout build that has worked for me so far is http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQRBMhdO1IpTzbyjxDTcA5oAAXClC7oOSPED2YAB-TwAg0CnIySllLLTWyssZNKZVw+jJEA
But oh boy i fell in love with it.
swiftness and vigor for team,
permanent fury, swiftness
random boon on condi transfer with warhorn
sword+ horn very good for chasing and escaping, sword auto and 2 immbos, 3 does around 4,5 – 5k crit on heavy armor
eviscerate main burst, axe 3 immob, mace 5 good for chasing or retreating ( quickly turn around and knockback)

You can cleanse ~7 conditions every 25s ( 2 of them converting into boons). 3 stun breakers
When i played this build, thiefs simply ran away from me. You have 3-4 dodges with vigor, they cant hit you from stealth + decent damage ( and 26k hp)

Try it out sometimes

Nah, for me no class is op. Some things annoy me, some kill me all the time, but you know what – i dont spend time in forums asking for nerfs. If i have spare time – i play more and improve. No time to improve – playing casually and not giving a kitten .
Somehow you think that you are right and other are wrong, and other people cant have this position, right?
Btw i play warrior in spvp because its easy to master, also playing thief, necro
sometimes ele and now learning engi.
Unlike you, sir, i use skill as excuse when i die. Either im better or my opponent, but not classes and their skills.
And you can ask , as you said, bias opinions of other people what does that prove?
P.S. you are as bias as me, even more. I want people to improve instead of whining, you want nerfs and no improving

a t s e.9614:

I dont really have time to argue with clueless people . I have a thief aswell and the only way you can achieve 7k backstabs is by having nothing except damage modifiers in your build . 25\30\x with no blind on stealth . Secondly there’s no evade at all on D\X builds unless your talking about deadly blossom which does no damage at all. Perma stealth and perma blind cannot really work together if you spam black powder you dont have enough initiatives to heartseeker through it.

And I wasent about 3 builds combinated together one the post above , Im talking a talking bout hambow which has all the strenghts I’ve mentionned and alsmost no weakness . Anybody who plays a bit of PvP can tell you that warriors are in a ridiculous state right now .

A heal that cannot be rupted has no place in competitive PvP, thats just a fact . If you cant win without HS you need to learn the class a bit more . And if you think that warriors are weak then you are either lying or need to stop playing this game

U clearly didnt understand irony in my post, happens with young people.
Its not arguments, its you spoutin random facts, comparing them no NOTHING and putting them into some imaginary standarts.
Thats why i combined 3 thief builds into one, like you did. Hambow build has no weaknesess? lol. I beat 95% of hambows using my longbow+ rifle power build, no or rarely 1 stability, 0 stances, no ire. Its about skill.
You are clearly a thief player and maybe u got some hours into warrior, stop trying to act as if you are warrior who can beat everyone, thats why wars are op. Truth is, any good player will beat war 1×1. ( maybe except rangers). I beat 90% of met warriors doesnt matter the build im using.

And for the 105th time, no one says warriors are weak, no one ask for buffs. People who arent clueless say they are in a good shape.
P.S. warrior is easy class and most of bad warriors beat most of other bad classes players, maybe thats the issue? ( called learning to play)

a t s e.9614:

Even without healing signet warrior is still the best class in the game . Clear 3 condis every 7 sec , decent condi damage without investing into it . No precision required because of UF+ perma fury , alot of CC , berserker stance is very strong , you can kill a necro\engi easely> zerker stance+ stability = dead necro\engi. Lyssa every 48 sec is insane aswell.

The only class that has a chance to beat warriors are thieves. The evade spam and massive damage can shut down a warrior but nothing else really .
The class has everything thats pretty much it .

As a main warr , 1,1k hours Id be happy if they deleted healing signet to make the class a bit less faceroll .

First of all, me, having over 100 hours on war in spvp i can clearly see you are talking kittens about you having 1,1k on it lol.

War has crap condi damage if not investing to it.
You mentioned 3 different builds as if it would be one build.
No one will stand and let you kill him. You can be invulnerable for few seconds to some sorts of damage, doesnt mean enemy wont use defensive skills in that time.
You dont have 3 condi cleanse every 7s unless you invest 30 points into the tree and manage to hit evey burst (things that prevent that – blinds, dodges, you being cced, enemy creating a gap)

Why dont we do it like this. Take 1 class and take its strongest points, compare it to nothing ( and mesh 3 different build together like u did to sound more extreme). For example -
OMG thief so op, has steal ( steal crapton of usefull skills), PERMA stealth, PERMA dodges, PERMA blinds, does 7k damage backstabs – no investment required
I have 1.1k hours on my main thief, it needs nerf

phaeris.7604:

Well ele’s had all their regens,healing signet and heals nerfed because they were deemed too strong and unkillable.

Now a warrior can stand there and outregen my ele’s attacks without actively doing anything, which I just find hilarious!

Ele’s had RTL nerfed to 40 seconds with no target

Yet rush stays at 20 seconds with no target.

Adrenaline regen is just too easy. It would have been ok if you could only gain it on attacking. But now you get it on attacking, being attacked, not being attacked, pressing a button, spending an adrenal ability…..endless sources! You may as well just have a perma full adrenal bar.

The lack of ICD with abilities based of the bar is what makes warriors so strong (that combined with top health and top armour). Cleansing ire should have an icd. Adrenal health just ticks too frequently.

Dogged march should have an ICD as well being an adept tier skill. Perma 33 percent resistance with a regen at adept level. The ele version is a master tier level without the regen…

Warriors weakness was meant to be weak to conditions and cc and have to rely on others to help them with this area. Since they have made it so warriors have the best self condition clear in the game they’re just one man armies.

with what you are hitting said warrior – a fist?
because recently i met alot of eles which kill me faster than i thought they could (3 to 8s, if i dont have my stun braker off cd and if i fail to dodge their opening). And healing signet is good againt bunker builds, it absolutely sucks kitten against burst builds, for which most eles go for.
For 100th time, maybe its you, not the game?

And for the love of guild wars gods, that extra 200-300 armor means absolutely nothing. As if you said – class A has 10k hp, class B – 10k+1 hp, therefor class B has highest hp of them all

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

There are some things that do need to be nerfed. At the same time, however, many of the suggested nerfs are over the top.

For example, it’s pretty well known that the 8% nerf to healing signet’s passive is really going to do almost nothing. The suggestions that say to drop it down to its prior ~200 Health/second are too much, though. What’s interesting here is that buffing the active is, in a way, nerfing the skill. We know ANet is looking at how to buff the active in a different way than just increased healing.

You see, Anet decides how to nerf or buff things, i think they are more competent than u to decide when its enough. Not player offered that number, but Anet came up with it.

I agree that these threads are a problem. 1 thread die, another pops up. That killed me – must be op. If you dont like to learn any of game mechanics, improve, why bother asking why you died to begin with. Just play regular pve killing monsters.

+ warriors take 3 defensive utilities and never do pure spec into power/crit builds why? Because without x/x/30/x/15 build they die in seconds?
Srsly when was the last time you met warrior without stability, stances and hammer in his hand? ( hint, hammer lockdown buys times = you survive longer).
And boy oh boy good eles are unkillable, good luck wasting your time chasing one. And when he turns around with fresh cooldowns…
its not the game at faul, its the player

^ Hooma
btw OP means overpowered
Id think only a 4 stance build being very strong to beat for bad players, but again, wait those seconds instead beating head against the wall…. anyways

selan.8354:

Naz.2607:

Anet, please leave warriors alone. It is the ONLY class in the game that is nearly perfectly balanced.
Time will be MUCH better spent elsewhere on other classes.

sry but they are not. war has no weakness:

cc:doesnt affect war
stuns: doesnt affect wars
immobilize: doesnt affect wars
condi: war has very little problem with that
dps: they are tough and have high hp, plus perma regen which heals a lot, so doesnt affect them much and if it gets a little rough, they can pop their invul and leap out of combat
combat speed/mobility: war has the best in the game

so what exactly is a wars weakness?if a class has no weakness and dominates over every other class, then this is not perfectly balanced at all.

Im sorry but do you have in mind the famous 30/30/30/30/30 5 weapon all utilities war build?
Because last time i checked you have 8s stability ( 60 or 40s cd), to remove immob you need to trait 20 points into discipline and only movement skill remove it ( GS, sword and burst of hammer and axe)
Condi – warrior has lot of problem with that, thats why warriors take lyssa runes AND cleansing ire ( 20 points into tree again + you need to hit with your burst, only lb is auto cleanse) and berseker stance 8s immunity FOR NEW conditions, 60s cd.

Permaregen warriors have its called healing skill. Warriors dont have regen boon
mobility again – only with GS or sword

So maybe stop talking out of your kitten.

P.S. yesterday i met full condi fear spamming minion mancer necro who was in his DS 24/7 using all traits possible, trust me, such op, needs nerfs

I know super secret ancient non bannable exploit
- LEARNING TO PLAY

Please before posting useless thread like this, do the search and find 50 other identical threads.

By the way my favourite tpvp build is longbow + rifle pure power 30/10/0/0/30 build not using cleansing ire or a single stance. I beat hambow stance spamming warriors with ease. Because i can play this game and learn while doing it.

With gs id suggest using axe + shield if roaming. Works in spvp as well.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNAneRjkOxu1OuOMxBAkCsqyooHiUKmrOA-TsAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNIZVw8DA
10 remaining points can be put anywhere you want – Berserker’s power/burst mastery/spiked armor.
Removing immob trait is very strong, you are hard to be locked down.
Replace 1 or 2 phys utilities with stability and immunity for condis if you need that, allthough lyssa runes and ire are enough for cleanse. I myself love bolas with 100b strike, no brainer to set up. Stomp is very good to interupt thief or ele burst combo ( it save your back so many times because people wont expect war having it, + its a stun breaker with good damage). charge removes immob and has nice knocback.
Full combo would look something like charge> gs5> bolas> 100b >spin OR weapon swap > shield stun >eviscerate.
You always have shield 5 to absorb some damage, stability for stun and immob remove on a whim.

Its overkill on condi cleanse. 4 shouts ( 2 of them are shake it off ) with those runes are enough. in spvp only 1/7 runs pure condi build, rest are power/thiefs/mesmers.
And warrior condi is a joke versus good opponent, you have bleed, burn ( of which people just step out) and torment if you land it. its 2/3 condis to clean, every class can do it with ease.
Personally i use poison rune on weapon swap on both sets and run hybrid power/condi build with phys utilities( 1 stomp sometimes is enough). because as pure condi u get cleansed ( and trust me you do) and die after that. With hybrid some people tend to ignore you not that high damage condi and rarely cleanse them, saving cooldowns for pure builds.

Virelion.4128:

Well, i can do nothing against Berserker Stance just wait 8 sec runing away without conditions.
@philip just don’t bother about warriors, they always argue with class x have more OP skills when they just can face roll with stability/Berserker stance/Endure Pain through everything, and well you are “not skilled enough” to kill them. And this is not going to change. Next patch will not nerf them (8% nerf passive and buff to active). And a necro and same other classes will be nerf a lot more.

class balance forum over there >

Warlord.9074:

lol at all the people saying normal skill use and normal traits are tricks. Clearly the majority of warriors in here have never played any profession besides warriors. Other professions often have quirks and tricks.

Theifs just example can withdraw forward instead of backwards by keybinding about face and while running forward press about face then withdraw then about face in one smooth motion. Eles can do dragons tooth or metor shower than transform into a tornado to get big damage. Stuff like that. Theifs if the turn thier camera so it looks down on the character cab do heartseeker but only travel half the distance heartseeker normally does thats how they they combo field stealth the good ones at least. All the stuff that you guys think are tips and tricks would not be considered tricks for other professions they are normal things.

Warriors don’t need tricks to play.

Why are you kitten? because people found something meaningful to write?
no classes need tricks to play, and your mentioned 3 “tricks” sound more like bugs.
And i dont consider your tips and tricks to be tricks. its just normal things.

Dwaynas Avatar.1562:

kito.1827:

i like classes who can tank a lot of damage while dealing an insane amount at the same time, some CC is nice also.

as the balance philosophy of guildwars says that there is no class in purpose of doing all these, i would choose as follows:

1.) warriors for their tankiness
2.) warriors for their dmg
3.) warriors for their CC

sadly true…

sadly not

JETWING.2759:

They call warriors OP… Then do not need tricks

Try Healing Signet (heal slot), Berserk Stance (utility slot), Endure Pain (utility slot), Balanced Stance (utility slot) and Signet of Rage (elite slot) with Lyssa Runes. Also spend 20 point in defense tree and slot Dogged March and Cleansing Ire.

May be that you get total immunity to everything with unbeatable health regen

Not sure if trolling of serious, but you brings absolutely nothing to his thread. Why even post?.
There are like 5 minimum build to a warrior, i played alot of games in spvp using pure power 0 stances not taking ire. Alot of things works if you think outside the box

To Julie Yann
I too found that rebinding with a warrior is a must. Personally i use weapon swap on mouse and burst skill on space, because you dont have time for long finger reaches with a warrior, gotta be quick

The ones im using is more a practise than a trick, but you can do chain cc with hammer –
earthshaker > fierce blow > backbreaker > 1 auto > staggering blow – if traided properly you can do over 11k combo on heavy armor, but you need to chain in perfectly and hope enemy wont use stunbreakers.

Another fun combo is to add bulls charged and stomp at the end of the combo (sometimes i use axe + mace), use mace 5 for another knockdown and eviscerate. Its really fun to kill thiefs in 1 go if your survive their burst. (keep in mind that stomp and staggering blow knocks target away, you need to react to which direction).

Another fun thing with stomp you can kick thief of his shadow refuge circle. it has same radius.

Maybe not a trick but personal preference – you dont really need stability. Sometimes its better/faster to kill downed target. People dont expect that, and if you are using gs for example, you can kill it faster than dealing with things like mesmers and thiefs in their downed state

Using lb – use 4 skill to blind downed target if they dont auto and save interupt for your

You can stack bolas with lb 5 and follow up with gs 5 into 100b + spin, insane damage if traited into pure damage

If you go signet build – you can skip cleansing ire. Pick signet of stamina and lyssa runes if you are having troubles with condis

Mobile strike traits is very good, so many times survived when enemy thinks you are about to eat their damage and you just spin/jump out. You can save yourself for example with eviscerate. remove target and jump out saving adrenaline ( helps when blinded)

I have no clue about blast combos, rolling alone not relying on others

Eiland.1405:

STOP WHINING and L2P

^ This. 100 times this.

Its sad seing the amount of OP threads in forums. Not just warriors – every class is OP, and guy who died to it clearly is pro at game and it is not his fault, its games fault.

People, for crying out loud, learn to play, improve.

And this is not classes balance forums, but warriors forum. Thread author is clearly not playing warrior, so why are you even creating a thread in here?

Stx.4857:

I am not using bad builds in my comparisons, I am assuming typical pvp builds. Also, the build doesn’t really matter, what matters is what the profession has access to as a whole.

I presented arguments as to why Warriors are better than other professions(their traits are simply better, and they have far less weakness while also having more strengths), but you have yet to actually respond to those points with anything.

Yep i can respond to your solid arguments. Id sway thief has better damage, better ways to escape death, are better looking, their traits are better, they can use pistol. Can you respond to my points?
You dont even listen or read, all you see is black in this thread and add some unproved bent facts to it. Like for example you had no clue u heal from trait every 3s not every 1s, you simply now hide it and move on changing the subject.

Im done here.

to Stx
ive grown tired to repeating myself. done that too many times, and it is in this thread, seems like you dont read anything that is against your opinion.
If you compare every class to every class you get fair results. If you pick 1 class and compare it to 1 or 2 and take weak build, u get biased results. Maybe take 30/0/0/30/10 shout power build warrior to compare with others?? its still a warrior with build which is bad, since you take other class bad builds.

To flip this up, the main strength of a warrior its easy to play. Bad play with warrior beats bad player with other class alot of times, because warrior doesnt have hard to learn curve. What most of people whining should do is get good at game. Skill triumphs over any game mechanic. And to repeat myself again, any class has its perks, you are just too 1 sided to trash warriors to see any, because that would just be saying things against yourself.

And when threads like these gets posted with post stating that 80% of classes beats warrior 1v1, that whiners needs the skill, lp2 and so on, thread dies out and new one arises with same people stating same stuff – hurr durr warrior op better nerf, i play auto attacking ranger who never dodges anything and die to others. Just look at other popular thread that thief is op. Seems like every class soon to be op, and if you die to it – that was op who killed you not you lack of game knowledge or skill

Stx.4857:

Warrior’s have small weaknesses…

Hammer Warriors can be kited fairly well, and GS Warriors lack control.

Even so, Warriors with their typical pvp builds have FAR more in their total package than other professions.

Part of this is due to having the highest base health and armor, while also having the best healing slot in the game. They can go full offense while still having the sustain of your average light/medium bunker. They have excellent condition removal, excellent damage, excellent control, nice active defenses, and stability.

Warrior traits are also much better than most other professions, as has been pointed out several times in this thread. Comparing cleansing ire to ranger condition removal 30 pt trait is a joke. Regaining 360 hp per second from 15 trait points.. really? Thats more regen than my CLERIC ranger gets from regen boon +signet utility slot. Thats more regen than the entire siphoning tree of Necro COMBINED, and the Necro has to be constantly attacking for his to work.

Basically, Warriors dont need to make any trade-offs at all. Want great regen? No need to use healing power gear, thats for lesser professions! Want great damage? Just use mostly zerker gear! No problem, you will still have more HP and armor than most professions… Want the best regen and condition removal in the game? just put 20 pts into that tree there.. screw all those 30 pt investments other professions have to make for lesser results, you are a WARRIOR!

ONE trade-off Warriors have to make is between control and mobility. That is pretty much it. Other professions have to choose between damage and survival, while also having to choose between things like condition removal, mobility, access to stability, control, or sustain. Warriors get it all.

Its 360 per 3 seconds WHEN YOU HAVE FULL ADRENALINE. Not every second, every 3 seconds, so its 120 hp/s if you keep adrenaline full, which u never ever do. Either using it to cleanse conditions or do damage. And no, warriors dont invest into healing, because it scales horribly. Could you be kind and first get your facts straight before panicking on forums? And again, dont compare warrior to ranger and some inferior ranger build tbh. Want to be fair – take all classes and compare them to each other. Every class has its perks and weaknesses. If you want everyone to be the same, why bother having classes to begin with.

Thiefs shadow embrace 10 points into – removes condis in stealth. some thiefs build can spam stealths.
And we can compare thief to a guardian: thief has access to stealth, guardian – no. such imbalance right?( and no, other people placing fields for him is not him having access)

This whining goes again and again and again in 100 threads. this is getting out of hand.

unleashed.8679:

Introp.8465:

^ why does every skill be meant to use against every class? You take cleansing ire trait to mitigae condi damage. You can dodge out of big phys dmg hits, cant do that with condi spam on you.

Well thats wrong. You can also dodge conditions, you will prevent the new applies ones.
You probably wont notice it., but it prevents one or more new conditions that would be applied to you.

You probably can’t dodge damage from runes and sigils, beause their CD wont trigger, but thats an other story

Introp.8465:

thread is about warrior weaknesses. condis are main weakness, thats why 98% of warrior pick cleansing ire to mitigate it. If you yet claim that condis is not a weakness to a warrior, you must be inspecting enemy weapons and making big list every game which player to avoid ( if you play in spvp)

You can’t count conditions as a weakspot of the warrior.
They have berserker stance, cleansing ire and dogged march.

With that logic, you could say, that warriors don’t have any melee damage, because you could play them with bow/rifle, or the other way arround …

Those 98% are using cleansing ire, because they don’t have any weakspot then.
A weakspot is something you cant prevent (See necros lack of mobility, thiefs low health, guards bad ranged attacks, …) Those are weakspots in the game mechanic, that are implemented, so they can be used against this classes. The warrior was designed to have no/bad condition resistance. But unfortunatly he got those three skills and has one of the strongest condition resistance in game now.

I do count conditions as weak spot. You dont have berseked stance, dodged march and cleansing ire on your f1, you have to spec for it, on every single build u pick. 3 conditions cleanse on perfect scenario every 8s if traited is not that imbalanced, because you will hardly be able to spam condi cleanse, unless using bow and being not focused down. And how on earth traided 33% duration reduction on mov impair skills is good? People just reapply it.
Warrior weakness is highly telepgraphed skills, conditions and being kited if not traidet to counter that. + his f1 does damage. Damage. How unique is that compared to other classes? you can do damage with weapons skills, why you need adrenaline for that.

Btw thief low health? invest into max everything vitality – oh, thief has high health now. so now thief has no weakness following your logic

^ why does every skill be meant to use against every class? You take cleansing ire trait to mitigae condi damage. You can dodge out of big phys dmg hits, cant do that with condi spam on you. If lurking in los of people waiting for prey to show up and kill with with your build (zerk i suppose) ( you can go with semi defensive build using mentioned ire with rifle build for that reason keeping hammer for peel, but w/e) somehow works on bad people – gz. Any semi skilled player will melt you down. And sorry, ive yet seen a warrior kill me faster than 20s, because i can play around its weaknesess. ( i like to fish behind lines also, to find people that are keeping distances)
You can play without any traits or utility skills, doesnt mean it viable build for any reason

thread is about warrior weaknesses. condis are main weakness, thats why 98% of warrior pick cleansing ire to mitigate it. If you yet claim that condis is not a weakness to a warrior, you must be inspecting enemy weapons and making big list every game which player to avoid ( if you play in spvp)

hooma.9642:

@introp
and i play without cleansing ire, healsignet and only with zerkerstance and healing surge and have no problems with conditions. funny right?

seems like u have no idea when to engage and when to disengage. player like u are the real problem why warrior gone out of control. demand something that they dont needed, just cause u have no plan when u should fight and when not. just as a hint http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Sigil_of_Purity

I play without pants and using fists only, my HS heals for 10k/s. i dont believe anything u stated. Maybe you play in wvw? Any necro, any, will eat your with condis if you think u can kill them in 8s, you are so wrong. 2 dodges takes 3s out of to to begin with. And god help you with that condi cleanse you bring in todays meta. So imagine however you want, but a thief wont let your disengage, nor does ele,other warrior, you name it.
Learn to read. I dont demand anything, i take game as it is. I do fun build, run hambow in 1/20 of my games, because i like to do different build every day. Any crybaby can come to forums and spout crap like using no condi cleanse as war or doing 20k evis crit. doesnt mean its truth
your hinted rune. lol. it has 10s cd and you dont control its usage. Enemy stacks 1 bleed on you – you accidently cleanse it. Now after that follows up rest of 11 bleed stacks. just no