Guild Wars 2

Who here has the most gifts of exploration? How long about does it take you experienced players to compete the map?

Zetsumei.4975:

Ismael.6074:

Zetsumei.4975:

Unlikely.3627:

What Ismael and Silv said. You want something? You pay for it. The game you play is basically a free version, you buy the game to get access to everything. Simple stuff really..

That would be a bait and switch.

They’re experience has been intentionally diminished and held hostage behind a pay wall.

I can’t believe I’m arguing this because it should just be common sense… but here we go.

Your experience was never diminished… everything you paid for 4 years ago is still there and you can still do it. You can still do pvp, wvw and pve without HOT. The only difference is that there is new content exclusive to the expansion pack.

When you buy a game you are entitled to the content you paid for. You can still access all that content without any paywall. Anet has no legal obligation for you to enjoy that content though. Just because the content Anet created may prevent you from ENJOYING that content without the expansion pack does not mean they locked the content you paid for behind a paywall. All your content is accessible just as it always was, you just no longer enjoy it as much as you used to.

Here is a good example, lets say you buy a Bugatti Veyron 16.4 because it is the fastest street legal car and you like to street race. The car is touted as the “fastest street legal car”. You win all your races. Next year a Bugatti Veyron 16.5 comes out that is faster and now you start losing. Does that mean Bugatti “bait and switched” you? No it doesn’t.

Not quite. Theyre selling you the license to race so to speak.

This would be paying a lump sum of money to enter a competition where you must pick from a fixed selection of cars of your choice to race, under the premise that this is all you will ever have to pay in order to be competitive in this tournament (anet by their own words said the elite specs are not meant to be an upgrade).
Next year they tell you that if you pay another fee equal to the first sum of money you paid, you may gain access to faster cars and if you do not you may still race but never win.

“You can either leave this room or I will shoot you, its your choice”.

What you fail to realize is that neither anet or your fictitious racing company have any obligation for you to be competitive in their games. While Anet strives for balance they have no legal obligation that says they can’t release new content which makes old players worse.

A bait and switch is marketing a false price for a service only to increase that price later. Anet never told you “we aren’t releasing new specs ever” nor did they promise vanilla specs would be even remotely competitive. Anet sold you a game for $60 of which all the content is still playable. They promised you game content for a price and gave you all of that content for the stipulated price. If you no longer enjoy the game because you die at it, it is not their problem.

Honestly if you don’t get it at this point I don’t know what to tell you. As they say, you can’t argue with stupid. That being said before you continue calling what Anet did a bait and switch, let me ask what law school you went to? For the record I go to Osgoode.

Zetsumei.4975:

Unlikely.3627:

What Ismael and Silv said. You want something? You pay for it. The game you play is basically a free version, you buy the game to get access to everything. Simple stuff really..

That would be a bait and switch.

They’re experience has been intentionally diminished and held hostage behind a pay wall.

I can’t believe I’m arguing this because it should just be common sense… but here we go.

Your experience was never diminished… everything you paid for 4 years ago is still there and you can still do it. You can still do pvp, wvw and pve without HOT. The only difference is that there is new content exclusive to the expansion pack.

When you buy a game you are entitled to the content you paid for. You can still access all that content without any paywall. Anet has no legal obligation for you to enjoy that content though. Just because the content Anet created may prevent you from ENJOYING that content without the expansion pack does not mean they locked the content you paid for behind a paywall. All your content is accessible just as it always was, you just no longer enjoy it as much as you used to.

Here is a good example, lets say you buy a Bugatti Veyron 16.4 because it is the fastest street legal car and you like to street race. The car is touted as the “fastest street legal car”. You win all your races. Next year a Bugatti Veyron 16.5 comes out that is faster and now you start losing. Does that mean Bugatti “bait and switched” you? No it doesn’t.

Put it on an armor or weapon and it will show up.

/delete thread

How entitled are you guys? Guild Wars 2 is a buisness not a charity. You spent $60 on a game almost 4 years ago and expect that game to be constantly and timely updated for ever and ever and ever?

NEWS FLASH: It takes money to pay developers. ANET released an xpac after 3 years. Do you want to know why? Because it costs money if you want them to keep producing content and they don’t have unlimited money. If you want to be competitive at pvp in this game just support the company that runs it.

Don’t let this be forgotten. Still no developer response on this problem. They seem to think trying to sell us a new glider is more important than fixing problems preventing the game from being played.

Luckily ANET opted to release more gem store items today instead of fixing bugs preventing progression of popular game features. Good thing too,I was getting worried I’d finally be able to get my precursor…

I miss quaggan tonics.

-Babylon

Ive seen some rangers running SB/LB builds but I couldn’t find builds online that use both. Are they effective?

They changed bound to be a blast finisher rather than a leap finisher. It is nearly impossible to land in black powder if any of you were intending to use it as a heart seeker like skill.

As many of you may know, when you leave a tonic in WvW it activates on heal sigils. I know many thieves and mesmers who use it to activate various runes like balthazar or centaur and never knew if it was considered an exploit or not.

I have heard arguments for and against it and was hoping a dev could way in on if it was considered an exploit or if it was fair game to use. I have tried asking dev’s in game and have never gotten an answer. Thank you very much for your time!

Babylonian Assassin

PS: I am hoping for conformation from a developer or GM or someone with ACTUAL knowledge. While I appreciate all opinions this is a matter of whether an aspect of the game is working as intended so the only opinion that matter are those belonging to ANET.

It has been around since launch and I have never heard a developer call it a glitch/exploit so I expect we will all be able to prosper from tonics for a long time to come.

Although I haven’t played in 3 months, due to the current state of teefs I thought I’d stop by and do the community a service/disservice by bumping my build.

Up up and away!!!!

IT STILL WORKS AND ITS NOT A GLITCH/EXPLOIT!

messiah.1908:

i took poison duration for more pressure, also balthazar runes are so good if you know to withdraw forward (also runes of grenth with chill)

Just skip the whole “withdraw forward” thing and use a costume brawl capable tonic to activate balthazar runes. If you are going to run an op build go all out. Also, you said that p/d is not cheesy. Coming from someone who only plays p/d tonic thief let me tell you with 100% certainty that p/d is the most cheesy and broken weapon set in the game. I can burst 18k of condis every 10 seconds without using venom. That is undoubtedly OP. Anyone in NA t2 who has fought me or other thieves using a similar spec can attest to how broken it is.

Regards,

Babylonian Assassin

Thief dueling with s/d is a difficult and confusing endeavor but with a little help it can be made easy. As an avid s/d thief I know my expertise can help. My guide is linked below. Enjoy
Babylonian Assassin’s S/D Thief Guide:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Babylon-s-S-D-Thief-Guide/first#post4103385

You could always run a mediocre build with perplexity, krait or undead runes…. or…. you could run a completely broken spec with a quaggan tonic, 4 weapon swap sigils and Balthazar Runes! The link to the build is:

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQJAqYlsMp8plOx7J8PNBNRxdNsCzg3hxXshaFAA-T1hHABCcCAoY/h20DAwDAYR1fsTJoRK/CAgAMzyMAeuzduzduzZmzcmzcmzsUAwMNC-w

I have a post about how to play this build with a video demonstration at the below link:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Da-Condi-Quaggan-Burst/first#post3977223

If they remove all tonics and musical instruments from WvW I will quit for sure

Hey guys its Babylonian Assassin here and those of you who know me can attest that I am a diehard s/d thief and have played it since launch. I am here today to divulge my and my fellow thieves secrets to success with s/d. Enjoy

The Build:

The build is the least important part of a S/D thief. To be honest it doesn’t matter one bit what build you run. My favorites are the conservative 2/2/2/2/2, the adventurous 4/0/4/0/4 or the classic 0/0/0/0/0. Once again I must stress that what build you run is not very important as long as it has a sword and a dagger. Secondary weapon doesn’t really matter either as long as you primarily fight with sword and dagger.

Gameplay:

As your build won’t be very good compared to most other specs don’t expect to win many fights. Instead prepare a lengthy list of complaints about the build, performance and gameplay style of your opponent that you can rattle off every time you die. A things I recommend complaining about are condition builds (ALL OF THEM! Regardless of class), pu mesmers (both phantasm and condi), d/p thieves, stunlock warriors and the list goes on.

If you can’t think of anything negative to say about your opponents build don’t give up! There are plenty of other things you can blame for your loss. My favorites are lag, glare, lag, sweaty palms, stacks (remember this only works if you are roaming!) and LAG!!!

A Closing Word:

It is of the paramount importance that you never and I repeat NEVER die without an excuse. It is unacceptable to do so. If you are not as creative in the art of excuse making as some s/d thieves I recommend you join a guild and surround yourself with identical minded individuals so collectively you can prevent your feelings of entitlement from being tainted by rational thought. I won’t name any guilds specifically in fear of flooding them with new recruits but if you look around you will be sure to find a few

TL;DR JUST READ THE KITTENING THING!!!!

Volrath.1473:

how did you apply burning?!

The game registers leaving constume brawl capable tonics as using a heal skill. Therefore I can activate the burning on heal effect of Balthazar runes by using a Quaggan tonic. With the condition duration buffs I have I usually give about 6 seconds of burning per tonic swap.

Emi.4152:

Hey baby!

After dueling with you last week stephie figured out your trick haha (the S/P thief that dueled you before me). Thats just way too cute, you’ve just made quaggans a viable fighting force in WvW (all of us from the Quaggan Patrols thank you!)

btw, do you have like… 3 hands? O_o you were dueling with someone, using this trick, AND chatting with people at the same time… 3 hands playing exploit! OP! Nerf! xP

Emi Smacks
TC

Thanks Emi, I had some really fun fights versus you Quaggan Patrol guys too. See you guys around next time Maguuma plays TC

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Sadly, they’re probably going to “fix” this by simply disabling tonics instead of coding it correctly.

RIP tonics 3rd-quarter 2018.

Yeah I agree that they will probably just ban tonics from WvW. It would suck though because I love running around as a Quaggan. I’d hate to be the reason why tonics got banned but it is just so fun to run this build :/

Abstract:

With the most recent patch and the subsequent restructuring of the functionality of both traits and runes I attempted to re-envision the condition meta. Through trial and error I have created a build that I believe will change the way condition thief is played. The build I propose today requires no prerequisite skills and can deal far more burst damage than any condition spec to date.

Usage:

This spec works by using tonics to simulate weapon swaps and heals. The game registers entering a tonic as a weapon swap and leaving it as a heal skill. This build uses a geomancy sigil, a hydromancy sigil and Balthazar Runes to deal AoE condition damage when you enter and leave a tonic. The internal cool down on weapon swap and heal effects are 9 and 10 seconds respectively so every 10 seconds you can enter and leave a tonic to give 4.5 seconds of AoE burning, 3 seconds of AoE chill and 3 stacks of AoE bleed.

Edit: If you bring another p/d set with 2 more weapon swap sigils ( I like leeching and doom personally) you can switch weapons after you activate the hydromancy and geomancy sigils with your tonic to activate 2 more weapon swap sigils. This lets you activate 4 weapon swap sigils every 10 seconds as well as Balthazar runes.

Note: I will refrain from referring to a tonic swap as an “exploit” in this text as whether this build uses an exploit must be defined by ArenaNet and not us. If this is build does use an exploit I assume ArenaNet to patch it promptly so any argument about it is moot. I AM NOT ATTEMPTING TO ADVERTISE AN EXPLOIT.

Build:

With 1 Set of P/D only:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQJAqYlsMp8plOx7J8PNBNRxdNsCzg3hxXshaFAA-T1hHABCcCAoY/h20DAwDAYR1fsTJoRK/CAgAMzyMAeuzduzduzZmzcmzcmzsUAwMNC-w

With 2 Sets of P/D:

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQJAqYlsMp8plOx7J8PNBNRxdNsCzg3hxXshaFAA-T1hHABCcCAoY/h20DAwDAYR1fsTJoRK/CAgAMzyMAeuzduzduzZmzcmzcmzsUAwMNC-w

Burst Combo:

The cookie cutter burst combo is executed as follows:
Steal + Cloak and Dagger + Sneak Attack + Enter Tonic + Leave Tonic + Shadow Strike

I have demonstrated it in the video below (excuse the poor video quality):

If you are using a second set of P/D as well to activate 4 weapon swap sigils the burst is as follows:

Steal + Cloak and Dagger + Sneak Attack + Enter Tonic + Leave Tonic + Change Weapons + Shadow Strike

FAQ:
Do you click on the tonic mid fight?
Yes. Double click on it and quickly exit it afterwards.

Why not just use the traditional weapon swap?
Many thieves, including myself, like to run either D/P or SB backup when roaming in order to escape or be more mobile. Running two sets of P/D to do a traditional weapon swap would preclude the use of both those weapons. Additionally, Balthazar Runes can only be used offensively if you use a tonic.

<Some insult about me being a noob or an exploiter> (Not a question really)

Since I began dueling with this spec in OBS I have received overwhelmingly negative responses from people I’ve fought who claim that I am an exploiter. I personally do not consider this an exploit as everything it does can be accomplished by other legitimate means. If ArenaNet claims it is an exploit I hope everyone promptly cease using it until a patch is implemented. Until then I view it as another overpowered spec just like D/P with 30 SA or P/D perplexity. Enjoy

Written by,

Babylonian Assassin

Maguuma

It was a cool clip but none of it was solo or outnumbered from your perspective as you said in the YouTube description. The first kill was you and a necro vs. a mesmer so you outnumbered him 2(you) vs 1 (him). When you killed the guardian later on it was you and two other friendlies vs. 2 enemies; 3 (you) vs 2 (them). Then, when they proceeded to outnumber you at the end no one was killed. It isn’t very interesting to watch, at least from my perspective, when someone kill enemies by outnumbering them. I bet you are probably a good player so I recommend you put up videos in which you fight odds unfavorable from your perspective. You don’t look to have posted many other thief videos so your video is definitely a good start. Have fun roaming and good luck (I always have fun playing against mag)!

Click the link to see a video of some Crystal Desert and Ehmry Bay commanders getting ganked. This is not intended as hate or anything. It is intended to be all in good fun, so I would appreciate if you didn’t hate on the video on youtube. Have fun!

Let me say a few words for all the people who really want to jump on this hate for economic discussion bandwagon. Just because you viewed a post on this forum and maybe another one regarding “pump and dumps”, does not mean that every forum post speaking about potential investments is a “pump and dump”. I have owned many mystic forge conduits and have sold many as well and just to clarify CURRENTLY I DO NOT OWN ONE. So please stop pretending that my post is an attempt to raise the price of an item I own. What I was hoping to do with this post was not to increase the price of an item I own and quickly sell it, but discuss with people a legitimate investment idea. If your only goal here is to give yourself a power high by flaming my thread, please leave. If not I would love to here all viewpoints even those disagreeing with me. Also, in response to Ksielvin’s comment regarding people quickly dumping theirs, I believe that it is true and that is why I posted this thread. I wanted to promote legitimate investment for this item in the game instead of the price constantly crashing and rising.

The essence of a the mystic forge conduit is that it is a luxury. The fact that a player can take around an item that allows them to save time of having to travel and allows them to save inventory space by converting garbage into better items may not be something for the average “Blue Collar” Guild Wars player whose only intention with the game is too beat the story and play a bit of end game content with friends. There is nothing wrong with that, but the people who have the money to buy a Mystic Forge conduit when it does become a vanity item are not those king of players. Think about the market that the product will sell to. Even if only 1% of the game wants this item, or .1% the supply is extremely limited and over time as accounts get banned and people stop playing the supply will dwindle even more. Over 1 million people have purchased guild wars and even if only a small percent want this its value will increase because there is no way for them to get any new ones. That is my take. Opinions?

The mystic forge conduit’s price has recently leveled out and is currently fluctuating around 11-14 gold. This item’s price has sharply increased recently, but the price leveling out makes me think people don’t understand its full potential. This item is no longer obtainable in game. Those who have once obtained it are the only remaining people who have it. This item is tradeable and its value will sharply increase in the upcoming years. Look at most other MMOs. They all have items that were available at launch that soon became vanity items when they were taken out of the game. This item is on track to do so. I recommend any person who can get the gold to purchase one because it is a good investment. Look at the original guildwars for example. Wintergreen items had no stats and their value rose significantly when they were taken out of the game. If you want more proof look at the economy of any MMO. Opinions?