Guild Wars 2

Traverse.2315:

Thief: 5 Why? I’ll go into it more later, but a Thief in it’s current iteration functions as a sniper – killing weak/vulnerable targets in a fight or by themselves. (There are the caltrops builds which also can be effective). However, a good team will focus them as soon as they come out of stealth.

Easily killing weak/vulnerable targets = kill everything in >5 seconds except guardian?

Also, even if a thief gets caught out of stealth he will just blink away and/or blink again or stealth. Good teams will never focus a thief in a teamfight as they are very hard to kill, and even if you do down them, they have the a very strong down state ability and will easily be rezzed.

Cloak and dagger hits at same time as steal, backstab comes less than half a second after. Even if I pop endure pain to stop the backstab which requires incredible timing, steal+cloak and dagger still does roughly 6-10k.

And if it does happen and he falls behind in the fight whatsoever, he will just invis/blink away and come back when his signet if back on cooldown.

Its not a l2p issue, a good thief will never die to anything other than another thief. If he feels he is losing the battle, he will simply invis/blink away followed by 2-3 shortbow blinks and no other class can catch him.

I used a greatsword when he was using shortbow for the huge boost in mobility but it still did nothing.

He never hit me once when I had frenzy, or if he was going to I would pop endure pain. If you read my post, I didn’t say oh he went invis and is about to backstab me let me pop frenzy and switch out of my shield.

There are a bunch of people on this forum who believe all classes including thieves are balanced, I’m going to simply seek your advice on how to defeat a skilled thief. I play a warrior and most other classes and I find it simply impossible to kill a thief.

Scenario 1: I faced a thief today 1v1 and he went invisible, I switch to my shield/axe and waited for him to initiate, ready on my stun breakers and defensive cooldowns. He popped out of stealth and hit me for 17k damage instantly with the steal/cloak+dagger/backstab combo in a matter of less than a second. My 2100 toughness and high vitality melted and match was over in a few more seconds.

Scenario 2: Thief kept on his shortbow and just kept mashing his buttons trolling me with his shortbow. Whenever I would bulls charge him/whirlwind/rush to him he would simply use one of his 4 blinks or 5 invis abilitys to get away and start attacking me. He than used his steal ability which for some reason makes him an invulernable mobile hundred blades (lol…) and I had been successfully trolled to death.

Scenario 3: Thief is afk drinking some mountain dew cause game is too easy, I quickly frenzy/hb him and he is down to 20% life. He uses his 2 blinks and 3 shortbow blinks to teleport to other side of the map. I run to chase him down but by the time I get there he is finished his mountain dew and also back to full hp, he blinks to me dealing 15k damage and then invulernable mobile hb/4 blinks/3 invisibility escapes me to death.

Anyone have an insight on how to defeat a thief, rather than rolling a thief?

How does a warrior “prep” to using a near instant cast spell? Am I just supposed to press f2 as soon as I see a warrior and hope he ignores my pet casting fear and frenzy charges me?

No, I see him cast animation for charge or animation for frenzy (whichever he casts first) and then I press f2 the moment he does, and my pet should cast fear and hit him when he charges me or right after, not after 6 seconds of him killing me. This is how the game should be.

Kasama.8941:

But this build isn’t viable at all. You stat for power, but you don’t add any precision. You use a shortbow and dagger, but you only have 300 condition damage. And your vitality is low as well. So basically you have a build with some great toughness, low vitality, and low damage. Have you considered that maybe the Ranger is bad, because your build it badly?

The build is meant for the 15 seconds of invulnerability/evade that it has, you would know that if you read the full first post of this thread.

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

They are an amazing 1v1 class, Mid-level bunker, awesome in team fights (entangle, QZ rez, stuns to stop stomps, massive aoe’s, great direct damage), and they are awesome roamers (Warhorn + they can burst well).

The only classes that give them trouble are thiefs/mesmers in which case they can still be dealt with.

You honestly must be terrible if you think they are the worst class against any 1v1 matchup.

Mesmers destroy them 1v1. *It’s even if you know how to build/play your class.
Thieves destroy them 1v1. *It’s even if you know how to build/play your class.
Engineers destroy them 1v1. Rangers have an edge, especially considering most engi builds are oriented around dealing damage via aoe drops (e.g. rangers don’t need to stand in them)
Necros destroy them 1v1. Necros are very easy to kill (only 1 build that is annoying, and even then, it’s situational)
Warriors kinda even battle. *With the right CC, warriors are easy mode
Guardians destroy them 1v1. *Taking a point from a bunker is tough, but if you sit back and kite/kill them it is quite easy. In a 1v1 battle though where a ranger can kite (if you’re just speaking of dueling 1v1, this is an easy mode fight)
Elementalist kinda even battle. *Ele is fairly even, although they, in my opinion, need a slight DPS boost.

Any other class except warrior out bunkers them. * I agree, mid-level class, e.g. average bunker.

They are decent in teamfights like I said, nothing exceptional. Yes they got pretty good direct damage and some aoes but thats about it. Not like they have a huge aoe 10 second haste to the team or a aoe 8-10k burst heal. *You’re missing their stuns/leaps/aoe fears from pets, QZ + rez, or QZ + stomp, stability, etc.

They are pretty bad roamers, very limited mobility (lol a warhorn?) * *Yes, a warhorn, I don’t use it in combat, but I switch to it, blow #5, then hard switch it out from my weapons rotation****** compared to mesmers and thieves. They have mediocre burst compared to other classes. Thief/mesmer/warrior(warhorn power?) will all outburst them

I don’t really know what to say anymore. Your counter arguments are really really stupid. Watch or talk to any people who know what they talking about, preferably r30+.

Tied for worst/second worst bunker in the game = mid level bunker? lol. /facepalm

I don’t even want to try anymore. Look at your own arguments, they contradict yourself and are very very stupid.

What a good counter argument – “You’re dumb”. Isn’t that a bit contradicting itself? =/

I never called you dumb, but now I am starting to question your intelligence. I was calling your arguments dumb because they either ignored everything else that was posted in the thread or used some excuse or point to back it up that made no sense at all.

docMed.7692:

Jordan.9132:

docMed.7692:

Listen, at the moment, pets F2 is does not properly interrupt your pet’s cast rotation (which they should fix). .

That is exactly what I was stating. You agreed with me then blabbered about something that was very stupid that I ignored. Good point

I acknowledged the issue and gave you clear advice on how to actually manage your pet, which if executed proeprly you can use very efficiently (rather than just mash F2 and complain it doesn’t work).

I know how to manage a pet but I shouldn’t have to work around a bug to use be able to use a skill like it is intended.

Scenario: I’m being frenzy charged, I press f2 to fear warrior so once his charge hits me, he is feared. Oh wait, my pet is not responding. Now casting an animation, ok now he is ready to cast fear wait i’m dead?

arcaneclarity.5283:

The Guardian with a hammer/staff build, Hammer of Wisdom and Sanctuary can bunker again 1v5 for longer than this, so it still isn’t the best

Some abilitys such as ground target AoE’s can still hit him no? And I don’t think he is invulnerable as long as 15 seconds like this build.
I don’t think it does. +D

docMed.7692:

Listen, at the moment, pets F2 is does not properly interrupt your pet’s cast rotation (which they should fix). .

That is exactly what I was stating. You agreed with me then blabbered about something that was very stupid that I ignored. Good point

docMed.7692:

They are an amazing 1v1 class, Mid-level bunker, awesome in team fights (entangle, QZ rez, stuns to stop stomps, massive aoe’s, great direct damage), and they are awesome roamers (Warhorn + they can burst well).

The only classes that give them trouble are thiefs/mesmers in which case they can still be dealt with.

You honestly must be terrible if you think they are the worst class against any 1v1 matchup.

Mesmers destroy them 1v1.
Thieves destroy them 1v1.
Engineers destroy them 1v1.
Necros destroy them 1v1.
Warriors kinda even battle.
Guardians destroy them 1v1.
Elementalist kinda even battle

Any other class except warrior out bunkers them.

They are decent in teamfights like I said, nothing exceptional. Yes they got pretty good direct damage and some aoes but thats about it. Not like they have a huge aoe 10 second haste to the team or a aoe 8-10k burst heal.

They are pretty bad roamers, very limited mobility (lol a warhorn?) compared to mesmers and thieves. They have mediocre burst compared to other classes. Thief/mesmer/warrior(warhorn power?) will all outburst them

docMed.7692:

I constantly 1v2 pugs with my condi build (running shortbow + axe/torch). Not to mention the build itself is great for the ranger’s arch-rivals, thief & mesmer. Carry condi removal, lit reflex, QZ and entangle – quite the powerful combo to escape any cc and deal dmg + cc your opponent. Of course you need to run double canine pets for their leaps, etc. to add additional CC.

I think the Ranger just simply isn’t an easy class to play and the general population don’t take the time to learn them inside/out. They are an amazing class with an array of builds that are viable for multiple situations. Play in an organized tourney team and you’ll find the general consensus of these teams is that ranger’s are easily one of the top classes for multiple roles.

I can also 1v2 pugs who don’t know how to play with any class or build in the game. Ranger requires some skill level to play but even if nearly perfected the class is still out shined by other classes.

Ranger top class for multiple role?
Horrible 1v1 class
Worst bunker class
Ok in team fights
Bad roamer

I’m confused.

The higher rank you go the cooler armor you get. You get random armors from chests when you level up, depending on your rank and also from tournaments. You can also salvage these armours and get materiels to make your own.

Just go grab a drink, take a big kitten, afk for 15 minutes and you’ll be back in heart of the mists.
Don’t bother trying to leave and come back, you will lose all your points and gain no glory or anything and you will most likely still lose the game

4. 99% of the time f2 for a pet is useless, it takes about 3 seconds to react and another 3 seconds to cast the spell by that time the other player is out of range. Who seriously stands still for 6 seconds in pvp? 99% of people don’t.

I wanted to pvp and don’t want to roll a press 1 2 button win thief or mesmer

docMed.7692:

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You must be terrible if you think the Ranger’s only remaining viable build is bunker.

Show me one build or scenario where ranger outshines any other class,
besides this one

Reroll class before its too late.

I hear a lot of complaints that the ranger class sucks overall and is horrible, and yes, it does. But there is still one build left that is okay after nerfing the already worst class in the game.

The bunker ranger.

The bunker ranger is horrible compared to other bunker classes because rangers overall suck, but the build can abuse evade and invulnerability to give it about 15 seconds of invulnerability. Sure any class will kill you 1v1 and you will be completely useless in almost every scenario, but you can 1v5 a group on a point for atleast 15 seconds!

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAsYVnEVkYZhFaBBaZgY9gQ7fQtHZq/n3VYUlcpmA;ToAgzU2YsRYj1GnNSbWfM2Y+B

I wouldn’t mind them having super high damage and burst, if they didn’t have 25 stealth/teleports/escape mechanisms. They are the highest damaging class also probably the hardest class to kill.

play a guardian

Tournaments are pretty unplayable at the moment…
Best way to win is to run around kitten zerging points capturing 1 at a time and killing people. If you kill someone theres a 50% chance they will take 6 minutes to respawn lol.

Shortbow just got nerfed and does 20%+ less damage then it did before…
It now does mediocre damage at best, I don’t know why you are complaining.
Sure a hasted shortbow will hurt, but it does not even close to the same damage as an axe/greatsword/dagger/entereverweaponinthegamehereexceptlongbow

I can tell by your post you are really inexperienced in pvp.
1. Warriors are mediocre, can do good damage and good single damage disables but really have nothing special about them.
2. Rangers after the last patch are even weaker than they already were. Only had 1 good pvp weapon with only 1 good attack and they nerfed that one attack’s damage by 20%+, ouch
3. Elementalists can be good offensively in the right hands, and they can be godly defensively if played in the right hands.
4. Engineers are very very strong and always have been. They are so viable can either be super strong bunkers or super strong AoE or single target damage/condition both with huge teamfight support.
5. Thieves and mesmers are still very strong and priceless in a team with great utility skils such as portal or shadow refuge. They are still the strongest roamers/1v1 classes in the game.
6. Guardians are still strong as hell, they nerf one weapon and they are useless? Lol? Can’t tell if trolling or just stupid.
7. Necros have never had issues since day one, they are very good in teamfights and can dish out a ton of damage and easily kill a bunker, or can build to become a very strong bunker as well.

Guardian worst bunker class? okkkay buddy
stopped reading your post there

I was also a huge fan of guild wars 1 pvp and I share your feelings.

Guild wars 1 you get rank for winning and become famous and rich for winning tournaments

Guild wars 2 you farm glory and rank by zerging around the map killing people, there is 1 game mode but people even ignore that not care about winning, only reason to pvp is to farm. Gotta farm that glory so I look cooler farming more glory in my new pvp armor.

Lastly, /rank was probably the coolest and most unique thing added to guild wars 1 and was by far my favorite feature in the game, I am by far disappointed they removed it in gw2 and even said they will not be implemented. But I guess, in guild wars 2 rank doesn’t mean skill it means how much you farm so I understand I guess?

Sorry meant 2222 stealth run

I watched first 2 minutes and all I saw you do was earthshaker into 2 people then run away for 30 seconds using shield and do that 4 times. lol

Spamming one ability isn’t as strong as comboing different abilities together, noob thieves will be able to own noobs by spamming one button but once you learn how to play it doesn’t really happen.

Also, multiple thieves on your team might look good but its very deceiving, most of them are just glass cannon heartseeker/spam or pistol whip noobs who have no idea how to do anything but press 1234 stealth run.

Step 1: Join solo queue tournament
Step 2: Add everyone in your current pre-made roster to your contacts to view their class
Step 3: If not at least 3 guardians/mesmers, leave roster before being matched into a game.
Step 4: Repeat and watch your wins double

I think he got confused and was actually facing a mesmer

I’m not getting them either.

I’ll post one more, eyeballs? o_O (and a lot of warriors…)

Post em here!
First one is me bored in heart of the mists, playing around with swiftness.