Guild Wars 2

Norreka.8407:

“How to wipe Aurora Glades” – Spontan Raidlead auf Lichtung GL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvPGsc4mb78

edit: this is no provocation this was fun Aurora had a huge defence go on nice fights at your garnison

Hmmm, whilst this was not meant to be a provocation, it is also not particularly impressive. From the kill stacks you gain and the xp ticks after that, it looks like you killed around 35 people from your arrowcart, which is highly likely to have tagged every enemy. From a rough count of your allies as they then run up past you, it would appear you have around 40 players inside that tower with you.

Do you consider funnelling lesser numbers with siege support a good thing to make a video about? If you were with a group of 10 then yes, gratz, but this was just meh.

Amelia Knox.9362:

I was the commander on Rof border, drakkar had some small presence not really a treat and Rof had i think their pugs and group of Naz, cheer for the fight, Pugs of rof don’t come out of a tower if you’re getting killed for 20 min is just wrong.

I’m not sure if I am reading this correctly, but are you telling people to stay hidden inside a tower rather than come out and play the game? If so, in my opinion that is the wrong message to be sending to people who play WvW. By challenging yourself against greater numbers you learn to improve your game, and really who cares if you die a lot as long as you are having fun.

If I misinterpreted the post then disregard this.

[TUP] is looking for any GvG this week, ranging from 15v15s to 25v25s. Either mail me in game or PM me here if interested. Thanks for the action thus far in the match up.

[TUP] is available for GvG this week, preferably on Thursday. We can do 15s to 25s. PM me on here or mail me in game if interested.

@[Mya] I believe Dranul is attempting to organise something with you guys on Friday if you are available.

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

Aaawhhh Krato, are you going to cry again?? aaawhhh Little puggy is sad again.

Nah, I’m going to try and hold a mature conversation with like minded individuals. Sadly with every post you make, I find myself less inclined to want to have anything to do with you or your guild and wanting to cancel the GvG, which is a shame for the members who are looking forward to tomorrow. Keep spitting your hatred if you like.

@Stefanovic: I’ve looked through the thread and I really struggled to see anything provocative aimed at Fury. If anything, there has been praise instead. The issue comes when even your own members feel that Hoax’s behaviour was unacceptable, yet he continues to post aggressive and insulting posts aimed directly at TUP, and a senior member of the guild feels there is nothing wrong with this. The result is the conclusion that you condone this behaviour, and as such start to fall into the same category as Hoax.

If you really want guilds to fight in even number GvG against you, this is not the way to go about it.

thisismitch.6214:

I understand this, but I am not particularly worried about how other perceive FURY (Yeah, I’m going to keep capitalising it), as I said, we’re just a bunch of morons.

Unfortunately, for a guild as strong as [FURY] who enjoy participating in organised GvG, how other guilds perceive you can have an impact on this area of the game. You need opposition to be able to do this, but by showing massive disrespect to those guilds and then showing little remorse in doing so, you diminish the chances of guilds offering to fight with you.

ZStefanovic.2475:

Also Kratoon, is it so much trouble to whisper the guy himself or whisper me to let your opinion heard about the matter.

Why should I? The guy blatantly insults us on something that exists in the public domain, and thus should be called out in the public domain. If any of our guild members behaved like that I would happily have that shown here, but thankfully we don’t have those kind of players in our ranks.

Mildly disappointed tonight, I thought that Gunnars Hold guilds might show a bit more class especially after [TUP] split our raid in half on Sunday to match (or in some cases have smaller) raid size. But getting hit from three sides by different guild groups gave us a definite challenge at least and we look forward to even number GvG on Thursday.

Ps. @ Fury, whoever the kitten Exotray is who says the comment at 2:22:10 in this video, http://www.twitch.tv/furyguild/b/424029108 , he needs to learn to keep his trap shut if you’re going to run streams. We split our force in half to have decent fair fights, and moved in opposite directions so you could see that. Really disrespectful.

[TUP]’s reset action from Friday. Hoping for more enjoyable clashes this week, with our roaming WvW raids on Sunday, Monday and Wednesday and already some challenging GvGs organised for Thursday. Enjoy!

Thanks for reset fights DZ and GH, looking forward to some interesting action this week.

[TUP] is also hoping to do some GvG, from 15v15 up to 25v25. Send me a message on these forums or an in-game mail if you’re interested.

I’d just like to thank FSP and AM for the fights and different challenges they provided this week. Sometimes guilds must learn to adapt to alternative server playstyles, and I hope next time we meet we will be able to be the leaves on the line for your karmatrains. Good luck in the next matchup.

leadustin.1572:

Sequoia Mint.4803:

But im fairly certain our 25 can and will wipe your 75-100 man groups many time before the week is over.

Dreams come true, but not yours.

I’ll admit that our guild raid was a few higher than 25 tonight, but we certainly provided the AM conglomeration on their home borderlands some stiff opposition tonight and we hope fun was had by all. Couldn’t quite get that T3 garrison down, but seeing the enemy zone holed up with that much siege and everything else turned to wood points towards a successful evening for [TUP] and AG.

Thanks for the challenging fights, looking forward to more of the same during the week.

Some good action on AM borderlands on reset night, thanks to both opposing servers for the fights, especially [DP] from Abaddon’s who engaged us without support, some really close and challenging fights there.

If any guilds are interested in GvG versus [TUP] this week send me a PM on here or an in game e-mail. See you on the battlefield.

jaimy.4108:

…. But…… I already bought cake and a dress to be bridesmaid…

Well you’ll certainly have enough veils…

Nemesys.7251:

Krato.4729:

Nemesys.7251:

with the tupaliation tactics yes u can kill x 4 enemy pug.

Also known to be effective against [XxX/TDA] combined war bands. Just saying.

yeah it is,but not working with less than 30 member:p

You want the link to our fantastic Mr Quecc’s stream? ? I’m pretty sure he opened his guild tab at one point to prove how many we had online, due to your inane whining at our guild leader that he was lying about our numbers. Could be a tad embarrassing really, but happy to provide. No need to be jelly.

Nemesys.7251:

with the tupaliation tactics yes u can kill x 4 enemy pug.

Also known to be effective against [XxX/TDA] combined war bands. Just saying.

Snowstorm.3897:

soon all we’ll see are warbands composed of 15+ guardians, 5 warriors, 2 ele’s, and a Mesmer.

For me, the beauty of GW2 at the moment is figuring out counters to strategies and counters to those counters. I think our warband would have little problems with a group setup that way, retaliation included. We’ve only recently started taking part in GvG more seriously, and part of the challenge comes from examining how the enemy are doing what they’re doing then responding to it. That’s why this week holds a lot of promise, with a whole variety of similarly sized guild groups roaming looking for action, something true PvPers desire.

Hjulstad.6317:

Agree that retal is a broken mechanic..

I tend to disagree that retaliation is broken. Yes it’s a strong boon, but it is also a counter to anyone that expects to roll out as a glasscannon and spam AOE damage without repercussions. It forces warbands to rethink their builds and strategies, using certain skills at certain times, and more intricate play such as boon stripping starts to play a role. It’s very easy to say that a certain buff or condition is overpowered, and call for nerfs, but to me that just simplifies the game further. Look at the confusion nerf, instead of warbands having to adapt to bring condition removal into their play and stop spamming skills, people called for it to be downgraded and now glamour mesmers are a far rarer sight and confusion tickles.

As for the matchup, the week ahead promises to deliver what most of us have been hoping for, with good quality fights in abundance. TUP are available for GvG on Tuesday or Thursday evening, preferably 20v20 but can drop to 15s if required. Send me an in-game mail if interested. Be lucky out there.

Reztek.7805:

Nope, or maybe just in your childhood dreams. Stating something like that is pretty hilarious, as any WvW-Player knows “numbers win a matchup, nothing else”. Sad but true. Some weeks/months ago AG outblobbed and outnumbered RS most of the time, that’s it. Meanwhile you lost the usual WTJ’s and the tides turned. And for sure you are much worse losers than RS ever was.

Maybe you should care less for your diminishing kill/death ratio and have more FUN, huh?

Actually, it’s coverage that wins match ups not numbers, but I’d expect nothing less than an uneducated answer from you. There have been many match ups won by smaller organised forces as long as there has been server representation across multiple time zones. Riverside won’t understand this due to their chosen play style as a server. You still don’t get it that we couldn’t care less about who wins the most points over the week, our definition of winning is having great fights and good fun all week. This is something that Riverside as a server just struggle to provide where most other servers deliver. Perhaps one day RS will catch up in their evolution and be able to join in the fun with the rest of the GW population, but until then they’ll just be the kid that no one wants to play with.

flowjob.7934:

I’ll break your illusion now!

If you read my post, I clearly state that when our servers have equal numbers in the lakes, AG outperforms RS pointswise. This has been proven for many weeks during the multiple matchups which our servers have unfortunately shared. Your screenshot is taken from Tuesday evening at some point, and due to the new PvE patch there were far less AG players in the lakes. The reason is simple – we would rather play Dragonball because we get a better PvP experience there than we do fighting against your nub server. Regardless, points mean nothing anymore due to the new matchup system, and the fact so many amongst your server still think they do just further demonstrates your lack of understanding of this game. Jog on.

@Kokolores: If you think that AG aren’t capable of playing the points game you can’t have been around during prime time last night. RS borderlands had one objective native owned, and that Garrison was full of holes. You had no response to taking any objectives other than attempting to zerg a northern tower, and still failed miserably despite abusing the invulnerable spot on the cliff. Your score is purely down to better off peak coverage; when servers have similar player coverage you guys get kicked all over the place. I’ve seen this repeatedly over many weeks now and you have learnt no new tactics or shown any capacity to change. You will never have as much fun as me or my guild in game, but I really have no sympathy. When your players get bored and leave the game I will laugh as Riverside plummets.

I don’t post here often but to help explain many people’s feelings, I have shamelessly stolen a post from a Gandaran which illustrates things very nicely.

“Typical night in WvW for anyone vs AM/RS =

- Get 5-30 people online
– Run to first supply camp
– Meet 70 man blob, get wiped
– Respawn
– Run for tower/keep
– Find enemy group of 40-50
– Try to engage
– Enemy runs and hides in tower/keep
– Hang around for 10 mins running circles hoping they will come out to fight vs 15 people
– Get bored when they don’t
– Go for ninja op up north
– Steamroll over 1 person
– Check northern towers
– PvD tower
– Cap nearest supply
– PvD keep as 90 man blob is on other side of the map
– Meet 90 man blob with 2 × 25+ man guild groups hiding inside it
– Try to run around kiting to draw one of them out for a fight – fail
– Call for support
– 3 guilds blob together to wipe enemy blob with clever use of 1 spam while crying about lag and slide shows
– WP and split from other groups to avoid lag/slideshow/crashes
– Spend 2 hours running around looking for a fight which doesn’t involve 150+ people.
– Fail
– Get bored of “Hiking simulator 2013”, go to bed

Compared to a typical night against FSP/AG/Piken/MS (and BB <3 but they have some bigger community guilds) style servers =

- Get 5-30 people online
– Run to first supply camp
– Meet 30 man guild group
– Have awesome fight lasting 20 minutes rally 3 times, eventually win since it’s your spawn
– Run for tower/keep
– Find enemy pug group of 40-50, wipe them after a great fight
– Ninja gate down and find 3 groups of 15, 20 and 40 inside all spread out
– 3rd server comes in with 3 groups and theres now 8 different groups of all sizes battling.
– Engage in epic different battles for 1 hour all over different parts of the keep
– Die after many amazing fights
– Go for ninja op up north
– Find 8 man guild group – wave at them and run past while telling your small guild group of 7 who you just passed that there is a fight for them
– Check northern towers
– Meet 10 man brave guild group who throw themselves at you for a fight even though they are less numbers, wipe them and /salute their bravery
– Read map chat to see 3-4 of your other groups all having fun with fights all over the map both wiping and being wiped
– Meet 25 man group and engage in epic fight for 20 minutes, win
– Cap nearest supply
– Meet another 20 man group engage in epic combat for 20 minutes, wipe
– Respawn
– Run straight back to find that same group again because that was one epic fight and you want to try different tactics to challenge yourself.
– Find another one of our guilds fighting them and sit and watch the epic fight.
– Meet same 10 man brave enemy guild group who came to watch the fight also, wave, take tonics, have dance party while watching the fight.
– Get more beer, find more fights"

I won’t ever tell someone how to play the game, as each person finds amusement in different ways. However, I would urge you to at least try open field combat more often, as the fun you can get from the high-adrenaline instant-reaction type fights just can’t be recreated from behind a wall. And after all, that’s why we play these games right, for fun? Not scores, not ratings, not to show off, just something to do as a hobby.

Kaleygh.1524:

does TUP always blob or was it a special occasion today ?

We didn’t deliberately group up with anyone else tonight, and tried to do our own thing as we always do. I’d say for the majority of the evening we were running by ourselves, but apologies if you did encounter us at the same time as another guild. Unfortunately it happens from time to time, but is not intentional.

We also had a higher than normal turnout from within the guild too peaking at 27, which may make us look a little blobby, but this week has already promised and provided some exciting fights so our backs are up. Looking forward to the rest of the week and thanks for the battles so far MS and FSP.

If you run a zerg guild expect to get zerged back at some point. Just be thankful that most of the guilds you are fighting are honourable enough to not do this all the time and will engage without blobbing up the majority of the time.

Tribio.8531:

Ok, so if I read this correctly: I roam solo in enemy borderlands and I flip camps, just to notice that all of a sudden the camps are resetted and I’m unable to recapture due to some silly buff being applied?

Right…..

I think this would grant far more power to solo roamers such as yourself. You could take a supply camp yourself just after the points tick, , but in the process run into enemy roamers trying to do the same, thereby providing the small scale fights you crave. Should you succeed in taking the camp, you have made far more contribution to the campaign than simply buffing a guard which is merely a road bump for the zerg.

Additionally, if you know which camps the enemy have to go to to get supply, interception type roaming becomes a more viable option and would provide even more small scale.

Just throwing out a suggestion to make zerging less effective and promoting coordinated server play, how about making supply camps reset ownership after each point tick but then unable to be re capped once captured for the 15 minute period?

The way I see it, you need supply to do anything, but by zerging one camp you would have insufficient access to supply to form an attack. This would force servers to spread their manpower out just after each point tick, resulting in multiple smaller scale battles all over the map especially around camps.

Servers wouldn’t be able to just hunker down in fortified positions because they would need to get supplies for repairs, and replacing lost siege defence would become harder.

For those that like the large scale battles they will still exist, but this also allows more variety and purpose for smaller havoc squads to have more impact.

Discuss…

climbatize.8729:

TuP – thanks for the interesting fights we had tonight , that train did hurt abit more than i expected xD
Think most we had was 12 on the first fights , still a lot of stuff to improve on, shame we dont have much reports on gandara for enemy movements -.-

For a small number you guys run really tight and pack quite some punch. I think our numbers were fairly even for the first few fights, but as the night wore on we ended running with around 20 so felt slightly bad when engaging you. Sadly we’ve been hit in the back too many times when engaged with another enemy that we can no longer afford to leave smaller groups alone, so it’s got to the point that if it’s red it’s dead regardless.

I wish there were more guilds with your attitude though Climb, roaming around by themselves looking for fights. There’s certainly enough skilled players on Gandara for them to do that. However, as for Riverside, I can totally understand why you guys have to run around with such large numbers.

Please stop feeding the Wamgor, you will make him fat(ter) and he already has enough trouble keeping up with the raid leader. As for last night’s action, thanks for some decent fights and it was noted that you allowed us some fun by holding back at certain points. That’s the nature of WvW,you fight what’s in front of you, and if that’s a crazy blob then so be it. Occasionally the open field guild action happens, but if that’s what people are after we have the Sacred Windmill community driven events for that.

We’ve been in the same situation as you guys, where there is no enemy in the zone and everyone rushes to the few opponents in zone to gobble them up, , so sorry to hear you had a boring night. We learnt a bit more about Dius from the multiple engagements and look forward to our next dance.

Hey Myrmi, can I ask how many you were running with last night? We’re not very good at estimating numbers so would like clarity on how up against the odds we were.

Wamgor.9347:

if a few of the easymode guilds went there could easily make a impact and a difference

Just wondering who these easymode guilds on Piken are? If we knew their names, we could approach them in a mature and sensible manner explaining the situation, rather than antagonising and insulting them on a public forum.

I’ve been looking for all these ‘freeloaders’ that people keep talking about, but at the moment I am seeing a lot of organised WvW focused guilds and actually very few who bring nothing to the fight. Gather up some names and perhaps post them on the Piken forums so we can act as a community looking to protect itself.

Some really nice fights for TUP this week, both with our smaller 10-man roamers and full 25-man warband. Particular mention to [LdF] (seen smashing into our flank in the above video) and [NOM], with whom we have had several epic fights. Also a big shout out to our brosephs in Semper Dius from Gandara.

For those of you who don’t think this is a significant boost by using it, you are sorely mistaken. When organised guild raids of 25 people collide, a single player will likely find himself with 20 stacks of vulnerability and prolonged weakness, mostly attributed to this consumable. That’s a 20% increase to incoming damage, which is a fight turner. Any guild not using this will find themselves severely disadvantaged.

I would rather fights are decided due to skill, co-ordination and sensible build creation, not some PvE clickable.

Just to show there is no kitten or elitism in TUP, here is a video of us getting soundly smashed up by Red Guard in some guild v guild action. Thanks for the lesson…

Thanks to both Gandara and Augury Rock for some challenging fights this evening, across all borderlands. This matchup is proving to be well balanced and opportunity for some epic battles, I for one am looking forward to meeting both servers again next week. From AR, [LdF] and [NOM] have particularly impressed me with their organisation and opportunistic strikes. Whilst no particular guild on Gandara has stuck out, I sense your ‘PUG warbands’ are actually organised and move large numbers together very well. Hope for more fights before the week is out.

Tortun.5946:

the Piken Night capping guild TUP

We also do morning, afternoon, primetime and Bar Mitzvahs. Initially at reset the lakes seemed empty, so we had to resort to golem rushing untouched zones to get attention. This didn’t work either, so sadly anything we came across got devoured by our hungry hippos. Apologies.

Looking forward to some decent guild vs guild action this week, see you in the lakes.

Kratoon
TUP Nubbin

@Boomstin – Piken Square does not tolerate any hacking or exploiting, nor do the guilds present on the server condone cheating in any way. However, your screenshot shows a mesmer trapped in a wall not long after a keep got taken, correct? I have seen numerous occasions when players have become trapped in walls due to the flipping of a tower/keep, the most amusing of which was when an enemy fell through the bridge at Hills only to be trapped by the respawning bridge a millisecond later. Please do not throw mud with weak accusations.

PS. I am in no way affiliated to the guild pictured in the screenshot.

Having just read the thread regarding this match up in the German forums, I’m disgusted by the disdain and lack of respect shown by some of the Elona Reach players towards the opposition this week. Having fought on Piken since release, we have faced many different enemies, and I have to say that ER is one of the poorest quality opponents we have encountered. They show no creativity in their battles, they use their immense manpower to blob around the zone, and then when they come up against a force they can’t steamroll they run away into the nearest tower armed with a gazillion arrow carts. ER needs to wind it’s neck in and realise there’s a reason they can’t hack it in T2, and it’s not numbers based. Having said that, please continue to bring your zerg so that we may farm you more.

Kodash as always a worthy foe, good to see you again.

Kratoon
TUP / HOB

I’m a big fan of portals. They’re like a loot bag delivery service. Learn to counter.

Dear Moderator,

Surely posting a video with some dubious activity in it is good for monitoring illegal behaviour? As a community we like to try and assist ANet in removing cheats from the game, and Piken Square likes to be proactive in this matter. The videos do not show individual characters names as everyone is merely a Piken Square Invader, so how this can be considered character assassination I am uncertain, but they do alert guilds to the possible presence of cheaters within their ranks which they can then deal with as they see fit. I’m pretty certain that all guilds would like to be made aware of these situations, but very often will need some kind of empirical proof before they take any kind of action. These screenshots and videos are a good form in my opinion.

Thanks for your understanding

@General Ragefist – I am interested in finding out who the speed hacks were used by as we do not tolerate hackers on Piken Square and will assist in bringing them to justice. I have PM’d you so please reply.