For years we have called for less golems, they brought us more….
This is Anet’s way of reducing the supply. Tons of golems will be consumed during this event, then you’ll have your wish.
If they thought that then they expected the golems to fight and get destroyed. Early results suggest golems k-training in a circle while taking zero damage and generating more than the badges to buy a new golem.
Maybe it will change later in the week, but I’m not hopeful.
Oh, and doing it before the match was finished was a terrible idea!!!
Anyone who has to play HoD will realize how much of a mockery season 2 is.
Yep. The transfer mechanism has basically given prizes to people for transferring onto the highest ranked free server and screwed over those who stayed; all in all a very odd decision.
So it’s fully acceptable to deliberately enter the enemy’s citadel where they are all invulnerable? I don’t care if it’s easy, doing it is beyond unsportsmanlike and should be called out each and every time it happens.
If you like, but remember when you do so that Anet have specifically said that you should not be able to build siege in the invulnerable area and that being able to do so is a reportable bug so….
YB has both us and the Old Timers Guild, both of which are large and for the over 25 folk. Both are large and active in WvW but neither are what you might call a WvW guild.
The key factor here is the league as it actually gives a definite planning horizon and generates a reason (and they have been detailed earlier in the thread) for 2 players to focus a third larger server.
To be honest I think WvW will be a better place if being the stacked server made you the likely target rather than an easy winner. That would be one way of discouraging people from stacking onto already heavily populated servers.
At the end of the day, if we had expected a balanced three-way scrap then peoples motivations would have been far less easy to predict.
He was doing it right before Yak’kitten Garrison, which means those players are just as guilty.
Only if people organising the attack know what is happening. What is much more likely is that the saboteurs know the attack is coming and are pre-empting it.
Otherwise it’s like blaming the train driver when someone gets pushed under the 8:45 – it’s arrival is known but that doesn’t make the driver guilty of anything
I think YB accepts that some of the saboteurs are from YB but equally the ones on YB are from SBI. Most players don’t support it but neither can we stop it.
@OP. The issue is that ANET separated the leagues incorrectly. They should have had 1-3 separate and then 4-12 together.
I think everyone would have been having more fun watching SoS, Mag, FA, SBI, DB, and yak fight it out. TC is probably a bit stronger than any of those, but much less so than in the past.
Really, it would be the same scenario but with TC, Mag, SoS etc drubbing the like of YB.
The tier imbalances are there all over not just T1 vs the rest.
From the perspective of YB (based on the results so far) – we can’t keep up with SBI and FA and of the rest of silver only DB keep us on our toes by having a population that is hugely offset to ours. I suspect that the same is true for other servers as well
just leave FA and SBI and YB to fight each other for the next 4 weeks, everyone already knows what servers will pull ahead and we’re not even half way through the season. Its not like there is going to be a difference and it doesn’t need a reason to leave these stacked servers stomping everyone else.
I think the problem is that the gaps between all the servers are large now and they get worse as the result of any week becomes obvious.
YB can’t really match the numbers from SBI and FA either. Even if you take those three out then DB or BP would stomp the next servers down etc.
THis is partly Anet’s attempt to move the WvW playerbase around a bit.
While I don’t think we know how Anet are going to organise the matchups my guess is JQ/SoR/BG will play each other at most once in those weeks. The concept of “T1” will absolutely be killed off.
I can’t see much incentive for the arms race to continue across those three servers, in fact players on there will have to get bored stomping as much as those they play against will hate getting stomped.
If any top 12 server can play against each other it could (although after a bit of pain) level things out a bit.
(thinking about this further they will probably reset ratings as well at the start of the season?)
I suspect (and rather hope) that this is the logic and I can only hope that plenty of uneven matches and the lack of balanced GvG does encourage folk to spread out, but it’s a given that it’s going to be a horrid period for some servers.
I’m not really sure why some of you YB are kittening about DB and their numbers.
I don’t think YB has anything like DB’s numbers, especially in time slots other than US peak (which I never see!). I think a lot of the feedback is being expressed in the hope that Anet will read it and ponder the likely effect of the league.
Effectively both KN and YB find themselves totally dominated by DB who can even decide who comes second in the match.
I think SBI will probably pass yaks bend in the rankings before October, but what do I know?
Given the structure of the league thy would be fools to do it! If they stay down they will get some even matches and a prize. If they get up to 12 then it’s 7 weeks of being rolled over, no server prize and likely often a struggle to get out of the spawn for long enough to achieve any personal reward goals.
As a player on the 12 ranked NA this mechanism makes it almost mandatory for us to try to lose ranking before it cuts in.
If we can drop to 13 then we will get better rewards and better matches. Getting better matches may be a contentious opinion, but what I mean is that if a match is 13, 15 and 23 then 23 will be curb stomped but at least 13 and 15 will have a competitive match. If the match is 12, 10 and 2 then 2 will curb stomp both of the others, so you rely on getting all 3 servers close to you before you get a match; any of the top 5 would totally destroy us.
I want to see some merit in it but from our perspective it looks horrible! Even if there are personal rewards for taking towers etc we will struggle to get them as when our player base turns out they will face a No 4 server that has a +600 tick, has our own BL fortified and outnumbers us 2 to 1. People will quit or move…
Curious of everyone’s opinion (including those not on Yak’s Bend)
If I can infer from that that you are on YB I would head over to the community forums (www.yaksbend.com) as well and say hi. Most of the better known commanders hang out there and it will help you get into the loop.
Bottom line though is, as you said, spend time leading and if it goes well people will come to trust your leadership
I guess some folks over at yaks bend haven’t noticed that DB doesn’t have a lot of NA WvW’ers. This “we only need Asians/oceanics/EU and we would roll so hard ermergerd we pro” talk is starting to get old. Play your time zone don’t worry about anything else enjoy the game and if you NEED to win then transfer to a tier once server so you can have your coverage war.
I have been enjoying the fights so far against yaks, to be completely honest I haven’t seen any organized SoS groups all week looking forward to upcoming battles.
I can understand how it gets frustrating for folk to listen to but I think from the YB side the frustration is simply that our presence isn’t small in that timezone it’s miniscule and that means that even a very small Asian presence can score a huge PPT and erode any lead from a generally more contested NA presence.
I don’t think anyone is crying about night capping as such, just expressing frustration at the imbalance of numbers required to score in the various TZ’s. It’s not DB’s fault either; the frustration is at the system.
Purely from the “fun” perspective I would love us to be able to offer you a more serious level of opposition as well
I would rather see promotion of the things that don’t intrinsically have glamour like repairing walls etc. I don’t see the need to further promote what is already the most “popular” thing in WvW.
I am quietly waiting to see what happens when WvW gives better rewards and progression – I suspect that will leave people pining for the queues of yesteryear (i.e. now) !
It may be my suspicious nature but I have an inkling that some of the Maguuma folk on this thread saying that they are leaving for bandwagon servers may have an ulterior motive
Its a real shame as I enjoyed some hard fought rounds with Maguuma in the past. Hopefully once they move past and Kaineng roll their zerg through we can get back to some balanced matches. Hopefully our community will hold together and we won’t be gutted by a third or fourth week or being rolled over by the latest transfer destination.
If your statement was true then yaks should be able to close the gap during NA prime time. but as the score reflects your server cannot do so because our NA crew can effectively keep your income in check. So either DBs NA is getting stronger and more effective or your server is becoming weaker and less effective.
Honestly I think both are true to a degree. Starting from close to zero every evening is tough on moral. Momentum is important in these things.
I honestly don’t think that you can take those charts too literally. The scores they publish seem to lag the actual timings and they simply aren’t updated enough to show the effect of the timezones.
I work erratic hours and simple observation tells me that DB is massively ahead during Asian peak hours and tends to lag behind in NA peak times. That’s not a criticism either just a statement of fact
Although there was one thing today. Sometime during the day, the garrison on Ehmry Bay Borderlands was being taken. With Maguuma on the west wall and Yaks on the east wall. Kinda bugged me that they were working together so flawlessly. Mind reading? Maybe? :O
Anyway its been a good matchup with a lot of good fights ~HIRE
If you were on YB yesterday you would have said the same thing when we were taking our keep back in Eternal and a Mag group crossed the map, with them also being down to 1 keep and 1 tower, and repeatedly hit the YB forces in the rear and delayed our efforts at getting EB out of our part of the map.
Realistically, I think they were being opportunists and looking for easy kills while YB were focussed on the keeps; but I can see why people could easily interpret that as them rushing to EB’s aid.
I mostly play a Warrior and my issue with the Thief (beyond the incredible burst damage) is that they have too many escape options. If a Thief and I approach each other in the open then maybe it’s a 50/50 outcome (and you would hope that from balance), but if it looks like I win then they just head off, heal up and come back. That means we start again; and I have to keep winning just to stay alive as there is no way that I can catch them or outrun them.
The only way I have to actually and finally win is to burst them down before they escape; in any given round any Thief worth his salt will run as soon as it looks like he is losing that round.
There is the case that you can build to defeat Thieves but is it reasonable for us to all be built to combat one class?
If your guild every consider to join a EU server, we from Desolation would welcome you with open arms:)
Now that RUIN left us it feels like all the negative bs is gone and we are starting to build up again.
if your interested PM me or come ingame my name is Felerina Dalure from Forsakengamers(FG) and i thank you for you time to read this.
Some of our EU players already play on Desolation, although some play on Yak’s with the American and Aussie contingents
It happened to my wife as well. She disconnected as the first event finished and got nothing and then having got back in disconnected 2 hours into the Ancient Karka event and couldn’t get back in. Pretty frustrating
Given the 24 hour nature of the contest in WvW there seem to be only 2 real alternatives:
1. Reduce the impact of people playing outside of a server natural peak team buy wither tweaking points or preventing people playing outside of those hours
2. Have servers that are naturally 24/7 as well
Option 1 seems like a non-starter. There are people who play outside of the natural peak hour for very real reasons like shift work, or lack of a server whose natural peak time matches theirs (Australians etc). Plus there are people from EU who play on NA servers because their friends are there (I am part of an international community).
The real solution seems to be Option 2. A single server set means that all the servers are intended to be busy 24/7 and that keeps the matchups fair without prejudice against any group. There are some potential lag issues but experience so far has been fine and many other games (LOTRO, TSW etc) are managing fine that way.
