Got DC:d from WvW and now any char I try logging onto gives this message.
Also EU, FSP.
Well, the Food from the Provisioner will cost 10 WvW Ranks to unlock.
You have to compare the time it takes to gain 10 WvW ranks to farming 1 Reward Track. Don’t think it’s all that different.
(Not everyone has unlocked the Provisioner already). 
Nooooo! The weekly cap was the only GOOD thing about the old system!
The popup you get if you click the little symbol in the bottom right corner of your screen states that if you pre-purchase you will gain the Ambassador title, but the title you actually receive is Elonian Envoy. Nothing wrong with the Envoy but might wanna fix it asap.
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Rofl. Wish you guys would play more on EU Servers though. Barely ever see you around!
We actually do play on EU servers quite often so keep an eye out for us.
I suppose you might be incognito at times aswell, but I’ve only ever seen an ANet tag once (atleast after game went live, might’ve been some around during Betas), and I’ve been on the same server since the game launched. :o
Makes it all the more special when it happens though I suppose. 
Rofl. Wish you guys would play more on EU Servers though. Barely ever see you around!
I support this idea.
I’d rather get rewarded based on the amount of work done, not just a passive PiP.
Leave passives as they are, add a small amount of bonus pips to things like capping a camp, tower, sentry etc (basically anything that already rewards WXP). Atleast give some extra rewards to actively roaming around doing things as opposed to semi afk:ing.
And please increase rewards for higher tier objectives.. Why does a paper tower give the exact same reward as a Tier 3? BS imo.
No we’re not linked and as mentioned it shouldn’t matter as it’s a “per map” thing..
Also when playing with my friend we are on the same server so if he keeps the buff I should have it too after a tick has passed.
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And yea nobody values WPs anymore— there was actually a huge moral debate about the ethics of using WvW or PvP to go to Lion’s Arch, and thus bypass a waypoint fee. It was pretty silly if you look back on it. And even stuff like t3 cultural has become a curious oddity of the past.
I totally did that though. It saved like 2 silver!! Usually used the PvP lobby though. Then again nobody used WvW for it if there was a queue.. xD
And personally, I think I’ll be doing the t2 for quite a while since it actually seems like a good way to get ascended armor. Sorta. Better than crafting.
Yeah you wish.. The tokens required to “buy” it though still require you to craft… with a maxed out crafting profession matching the armor you wish to buy. Another silly decision by ANet imo. Ascended from vendors was initially a way to bypass crafting for those that really really hated it, but now ofc it requires almost more crafting to “buy” an Ascended armor than to just craft it.. You will probably save like 5-10g/piece though, however the timegated materials are doubled (atleast on some armors). Gl with the T2 either way.
That doesn’t change the fact that potential AP is still lower for new players.
Various special events gave 25 points for doing the meta and it wasn’t very hard. While nowadays it doesn’t give nearly as much. Those were legit ways to pad out AP though while not a big deal, certainly rubbed a few the wrong way.
Some achievements reward little to no AP for a lot of work, others reward a lot for almost no effort. I actually just finished the “Current Events” one called “Disturbance in the Depths” with the 5 followup “Sensor Scouter” ones.. Easy 30 AP in ~1 hour, and neatly finished off my 30k before my vacation. But yes, a lot of achievements are no longer available, which sucks, however: because people did complain about the LS Season 1 and how it worked it was changed for Season 2 and Season 3.
Considering the access to guild wvw boosts and celebration boosters that were not available in the past, it’s easier to earn WvW rank for new players starting out. This point is moot
Sure. A new account.. Assuming you get into a guild with the WvW booster.. Lvl 80 Booster gives you 1 Celebration Booster. Day 19 of logins gives you another.. so on day 20 you get to enjoy a grand total of 3 hours of 110% WvW XP. Then what? Back to 10% bonus for 30 days until you get another 1.5 hours?
That runs under an assumption that a new player is going to immediately aim for end game goals which would make little sense. A level 10 running out of Queensdale is probably not going into WvW. And this is my main problem with any “new player” comment. When you’re an established player with certain wants and needs, and try to project that new players have the same ones as you at this point in time.
It is honestly not a good habit, because that spreads misinformation that it is impossible to get anything in this game while there are tons of low hanging fruit (even in WvW here, such as the t1-t2 and even the legendary backpiece) that sport lesser requirements.
A new player can also make 5 character slots, and receive birthday boosters every year. They also can get XP boosters from AP chests (easier to gain AP when you are new) and get some from the box of WvW supplies. And these aren’t the crappy “XP from kills” we had. This is just straight up WxP boost.
In a year, they’ll have 5 birthday boosters, for a good 120 hours, 12 celebration boosters, for another 12 hours. And some from AP chests. If they managed to get the Ley-line converters they may have even more boosters, and even have some World Ranks without even going into WvW
Old players, regardless of WvW or not, didn’t always have it like that. They also didn’t get 2 gold for just doing dailies.
You said “it’s easier to earn WvW rank for new players starting out.”
The emphasized bit is why I responded the way I did.
I also doubt they’re gonna look at the WvW stuff and go “yup, that’s what I’m gonna set my sights on!” the first week.. but they are likely to try out the game mode. If they even realise to save this Celebration Bonus.. To us it’s obvious that it’s best spent in WvW, but a new player might not realise that.
Most new players also don’t realise that you even get birthday rewards. Even fewer make 4 extra characters just to get these rewards.
And yes, I know very well how little gold you gained at the start.. Ever hear of a new player now not being able to afford to use the nearest WP? Yeah, me neither. Was pretty common at the start. I even remember having to borrow 2 copper from a friend to afford armor repairs.. Think my first lvl 80 reached max with like 50 silver in her pocket.. Making 5 gold from the TP when selling stuff, was enough to buy Abyss Dye! The struggle to afford Order Armor for, 8g or something? Just looking at the costs for Tier 3 Cultural…
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Considering the access to guild wvw boosts and celebration boosters that were not available in the past, it’s easier to earn WvW rank for new players starting out. This point is moot
Sure. A new account.. Assuming you get into a guild with the WvW booster.. Lvl 80 Booster gives you 1 Celebration Booster. Day 19 of logins gives you another.. so on day 20 you get to enjoy a grand total of 3 hours of 110% WvW XP. Then what? Back to 10% bonus for 30 days until you get another 1.5 hours?
It’s a lot easier to get now than it was before, actually. The way it is now, you can get your GoB in 1-week or so. Whereas in the old days, you needed 500 Badges of Honor. Which in my hayday were only offered through player kills and the Obsidian Sanctum jump puzzle daily chest. So you literally had to kill hundreds of players and do the puzzle to get the 500 badges required to buy your GoB. Which overall took months to do. Nowadays it’s easy to max out a reward track in 4-7 days casually. All you have to do is run with the zerg and repair things in WvW for a handful of hours a day.
You forget that achievement chests were giving out badges for almost two years before they made GoB a reward track. It was a golden age (for PvEers) where they could get their gift for their Legendary without ever stepping foot outside the safe zones on each map.
But I get your point.
Actually, you had to first unlock the vendor by reaching WvW Rank 50, then this was lowered to 14. So you did have to step out of the spawn, just not for too long.
There was a time that you didn’t need ranks at all. Back when you had to do WvW maps for map completion. I’ve only done WvW to get the map completion done on two characters and I did not do it it by playing the mode as intended for most of it. I’m rank 5. I’ve got the gift of battle.
Yeah I did them on 3 toons before that was removed. Kinda wish they’d reinstate it though, even if it isn’t readded to World Exploration I’d like to be able to complete the maps (like Dry Top or Silverwastes) and just have them give out their own special rewards.
No, you need 3930. You need to unlock the T2 armor as well. To not include that in costing is silly.
Since I have merely unlocked T2 by doing the Reward Track so far, not yet purchased it, I cannot see the costs of T3 other than the Rank Requirements. Therefore I am going by the costs listed on the official Wiki.
They state 1310 for a set of T2, 1310 for a set of T3 = total of 2620.
My source: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Skirmish_Supervisor
If this information is wrong then obviously I have to adjust for that, but I have no way of knowing for sure until I see the actual cost on the NPC (or a screenshot thereof).
You don’t get 2k rank in 500 hours
No, with active play you should get around 1k ranks. It may take a bit of practice to understand how to get the most out of your playtime to push this XP rate, but it’s a very practical estimate.
Then we agree on something.
You don’t need to be in a zerg at all to get this XP rate. I get this XP rate when I do donuts around the desert Borderlands, flipping camps and shrines.
Ofc not. But then it comes down to a bit of luck. Some nights I’m sure you do well, so do I. Other nights, it seems wherever I go, whenever I go, there’s a roaming group passing by that snipes me, or there’s another group going for that same camp.. Some nighs I seemingly spend 1-2 hours doing nothing but killing some random straggler or a Sentry.. Those nights do not do wonders for my WvW Rank.
That’s why I average things out to 2 ranks / hour, and to go above that I’d atleast need a pretty good karma train every once in a while.
My issue is not with the rewards themselves, and the grind would be fine if it was the same for everyone.. Like if it was only about grinding the tickets, because that’s gonna take quite a few hours of active gameplay in itself.. but it’s not.
The Raid Grind for Legendary Armor is the same for everyone, if you and I both start raiding tonight we will get the Legendary Armor for the same ammount of work. I don’t get anything special in there for having PvE:d the past 5 years..
If we both head in to Fractals tonight to farm the Ascended Armor there, or the Legendary Backpack, the grind is the same, we’d both need an equal ammount of runs and effort no matter what we did before we started..
If we want the PvP Backpack; ok you might have to “grind” PvP Rank 20 if you’ve never set foot in there; but that would take tops 239 games in Unranked and that’s if you lose every.. single.. one… which is highly unlikely. But say you are that terrible at playing, or just have the worst luck in gaming history; it’d take you around 60 hours if all games last the full 15 minutes (also not very likely). So about the same time as grinding the Diamond Chest for a new player on a losing server? Not unreasonable..
But WvW? No they need to be rewarded for “past work”. Not only do they get more pips and faster chest rewards, they also need their “special armor” locked behind an unreasonably high WvW Rank requirement.
Sure, you can see it as a reward for past work and claim you worked for it so you deserve it, but then why was my reward for past work taken away? I’m looking at you here GoB vendor! My past work should not be rewarded, but yours should?To top it off there’s the regulars with the attitudes that “Do you want WvW stuff? Well grind WvW then.. It will take you a year, or two? Well suck it up!” but when the same individuals are “forced” to go into another game mode for a few days to farm something (HoT Runes for instance) it’s all “boo hoo you’re making me PvE for this/that and that’s just not fair!” and what did ANet do? Add those PvE Runes to WvW vendors..
If all game modes were equally separated, it would be fine.. But they’re not.
I do PvP; I get PvP and PvE Rewards.
I do WvW; I get WvW and PvE Rewards.
I do PvE; I get PvE Rewards. Well, I do get Badges of Honor every once in a while for reaching milestone AP-rewards (rarely at my AP though), but what could I get with those up until this patch? Funny enough, mostly items also available in PvE! There are ofc the two previously unique to WvW Armor sets (that not many mention in these threads though, since “WvW had nothing unique”), and before it was removed, the Gift of Battle.. but that’s it.We’ll see where I am on the WvW Rank requirement after completing the work for the much less “special” Legendary WvW Backpack.. Peace!
All rewards are “PvE” rewards. If we didnt get in wvw there just wouldnt be any rewards. There was never WvW armor or WvW weapons. Mystforged from tournaments? Thats y our idea of wvw rewards? Dude your post reads like this.
“All my pve time has gotten me “great new stuff”(gns). Im sorry wvw didnt allow you to get gns sorry you played wrong game mode. Wait wvw now has gns i want gns but it requires i play gamemode for 2k hours. Wait why doesnt my pve 2k hours also apply to wvw 2k hours so i can have 4k hours of even more gns? This is unfair anet please nerf"
Then either I totally failed at getting my point across, or you’re bad at reading. :P
My issue is not with the rewards themselves, and the grind would be fine if it was the same for everyone.. Like if it was only about grinding the tickets, because that’s gonna take quite a few hours of active gameplay in itself.. but it’s not.
The Raid Grind for Legendary Armor is the same for everyone, if you and I both start raiding tonight we will get the Legendary Armor for the same ammount of work. I don’t get anything special in there for having PvE:d the past 5 years..
If we both head in to Fractals tonight to farm the Ascended Armor there, or the Legendary Backpack, the grind is the same, we’d both need an equal ammount of runs and effort no matter what we did before we started..
If we want the PvP Backpack; ok you might have to “grind” PvP Rank 20 if you’ve never set foot in there; but that would take tops 239 games in Unranked and that’s if you lose every.. single.. one… which is highly unlikely. But say you are that terrible at playing, or just have the worst luck in gaming history; it’d take you around 60 hours if all games last the full 15 minutes (also not very likely). So about the same time as grinding the Diamond Chest for a new player on a losing server? Not unreasonable..
But WvW? No they need to be rewarded for “past work”. Not only do they get more pips and faster chest rewards, they also need their “special armor” locked behind an unreasonably high WvW Rank requirement.
Sure, you can see it as a reward for past work and claim you worked for it so you deserve it, but then why was my reward for past work taken away? I’m looking at you here GoB vendor! My past work should not be rewarded, but yours should?
To top it off there’s the regulars with the attitudes that “Do you want WvW stuff? Well grind WvW then.. It will take you a year, or two? Well suck it up!” but when the same individuals are “forced” to go into another game mode for a few days to farm something (HoT Runes for instance) it’s all “boo hoo you’re making me PvE for this/that and that’s just not fair!” and what did ANet do? Add those PvE Runes to WvW vendors..
If all game modes were equally separated, it would be fine.. But they’re not.
I do PvP; I get PvP and PvE Rewards.
I do WvW; I get WvW and PvE Rewards.
I do PvE; I get PvE Rewards. Well, I do get Badges of Honor every once in a while for reaching milestone AP-rewards (rarely at my AP though), but what could I get with those up until this patch? Funny enough, mostly items also available in PvE! There are ofc the two previously unique to WvW Armor sets (that not many mention in these threads though, since “WvW had nothing unique”), and before it was removed, the Gift of Battle.. but that’s it.
We’ll see where I am on the WvW Rank requirement after completing the work for the much less “special” Legendary WvW Backpack.. Peace!