Guild Wars 2

my prenerf thief in pvp

http://youtu.be/zmwXAFbFQiQ
here an example of p/d playstyle in WvWvW, this an old video
i was stop playing since 2months ago, so dunno what changed they made to thief class

katar from ragnarok :P, id love to use that

kwolf.4306:

Thanks for posting these vids (and in the other thread too) … really great! Question for you, how do you get up to 21K health? With full carrion exotics on armor & trinkets, I only have like 17K. What am I missing?

Also, why choose Infusion of Shadow (10 pt. shadow arts)? This build does not seem to be initiative starved … wouldn’t shadow’s embrace (remove conditions in stealth) be better?

my max hp is 19k, i have 21k in that vid, because our server was winning and we got WvW buff , oh im using those Backpack (5g backpack from guild armor or something ) too from WvW

Dignity.1389:

Hey Nightshade nice vid man, <- deso player here.
I run the same build on my thief with a slight diffrence. 20pt acrobatic i’d change that to assassin reward. I found I get more healing from that.

Instead of bleed duration runes i use 6 piece runes of the undead. I found in pvp ppl often use a condition clear so bleeds don’t last that long anyway. With runes of the undead you gain a bit of defense and nice dmg on top of that. Only thing the setup is lacking is a real stun breaker.

This build works nicely in pve exploring aswell, I have yet to try it in dungeons.

Too bad there are so few sigil choices for weaps with this build. I run the corruption dmg on kill and geomancy. (when switching weaps it does bleed dmg but the animation is the same as the elementalist earth spike, i’ve had a few ppl waste dodge on that xD)

@kwolf Trust me spamming DB, or miss cnd and you will be out of initiative very quick, esp with steal on cd. I have no idea why your health is that low. Make sure you are in full carrion gear, jewelry, weapons, armor. With 20 points in acrobatics you should be sitting at 19k+ with no orb bonuses.

my first choice rune for pvp is undead runes, because ppl tend to bring more defensive utility such as cond removal, but the reason why im using three types of runes in WvW,because sometimes when im sniping dolyaks they guard it with 3-7 ppl (i know its sounds crazy) i need to make sure that my bleed ticks long enough while im invis thats mean i can do enough damage without exposing myself,not only that longer duration mean u can stacks more bleeds, before the first tick disappear. so with those 3 runes i have middle ground , where my bleeds tick longer, but i wont lose that much damage even when enemies using cond removal. *btw i forgot to mention that short condition duration is cons for P/D, but like i said before it easy to restack compared to D/D LDB longer duration but kinda hard to restack due to higher ini cost

copy-paste my answer from this thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Discussion-Condi-Thief-P-D-or-D-D-in-WvWvW/first#post678298

epicsmooth.7825:

dragoaskani.6271:

Nice gameplay, but its hardly unique. Look up Wild Bill for example, hes been doing it a long time.

Yea, really he is the only thief I find impressive till they fix the render bug

kitten I don’t find anything I pull impressive because of the bug

hmm i saw his video, since u mentioned it , i see we use same weapon set, but i hardly see that i have similar gameplay with him (he using venom as main utility skill), but he is far more skilled than me tho,and im gonna try his build , since now our server losing, i just gonna have fun in WvWvW (focusing only for killing ppl ;P)

Wothan.4673:

im sorry sir but noone whining or complaining here, not like ppl from other “2 server”, last week they whine 24/7, have a good day

Lol you don"t remember all the Deso whine topic when you down from d1 to d3 because “nightcapping is not fair” ? … xD

yeah , we suck it up and adapt , not forcing or begging Anet to change their policy, btw have fun in t2, cuz we definetly have fun here with constant fighting, it wasn’t like last week lol

Rieshaus.7486:

Nono, many people of Deso said to the other Servers: “Stop whining, if you want to be in B1 you need 24/7.” There is no sleeping in the first bracket.
I’m not a fan of BT, to many soldier for hire. But if they march over Deso, I will laugh my kitten off. Maybe this is the sign for midranged Guilds that there is more then PvD if they come over. And they should better stay at home.
Go for it, Blacktide!

im sorry sir but noone whining or complaining here, not like ppl from other “2 server”, last week they whine 24/7, have a good day

blackgoat.5172:

@OP Curious as to what food and the other buff were that you had? (I know what sigil I checked your build)

for food im using Bowls of Orrian Trufle Meat and Stew (100% chance gain might when dodge, 40% endurance refill) and Master Tunning Crystal (Gain Condition damage equal to 6% of your toughness
Gain Condition damage equal to 4% of your vitality) i hope it helps

hei guys, im a thief player , who have been playing thief since beta week 1. was using GC (PW and BS) build in the first month since release and then since many thief player using that build and i want to be an unique thief, so in past couple a weeks i tried to find a new playstyle. and i think this P/D condition damage suit me. with this video i wanna share my experience in WvWvW as a roamer thief with P/D and D/D

so here is my video, hope u guys enjoy it

1st Video
http://youtu.be/zmwXAFbFQiQ

2nd Video
http://youtu.be/duySkTfsKbs

any feedback, sugestion, critism would be appreciated and feel free to throw me question about thief

Azzan.1650:

You think it would make a difference if i bring a scepter, really ? Class like guardian dont have any good ranged weapon for 1vs1 situation.

in straight up 1 v 1 fight, its depend on the player skill (especially in spvp)
i have fought a skilled guardian in spvp, out of 5 my CnD i can only land 1, he either dodge or block it, and at the end my heal cant outlast his constant burn and damage, due to his block, and dont judge a build or class based on WvWvW only, because difference in gear, buff and stacks matters a lot

Natureswarden.5102:

lol actually that was Lyan in the clip as far as I am aware and if thats average gonna need more that a 2 to 1 ratio to do it

thx funny thing is, in last clip, it was only 2 deso players can hold 5-7 ppl of their reinforcement , thats the reason why, even when we got outmanned , we still can hold our ground

http://youtu.be/zmwXAFbFQiQ

here the example that one of us can take 2 of ur kind with ease, and trust me, there are many more skillful player in deso than me,

http://youtu.be/xdCrZfTkG1c

Spifnar.4712:

With the significant amount of healing you generate, have you considered adding some toughness?

Either cond/prec/tough, like whispers from dungeon/karma sets or shaman (tough/heal/cond) armor.

Neither heal or precision is an ideal stat tradeoff from power, but at least shaman weapons are relatively cheap to test with.

never tried that, since imo best defensive stats for thief is vit (because of low hp pool), i even still missed the orb in WvWvW 3 orbs can give me max 25k hp. and yeah both of them not worth to trade for power considering that my build dont have that much power, to bad there is no pow/though/cond gear :P

Fixeon.5076:

Viable build good damage. Good HP pool. Might stacking with a bleed build. Ideal to keep up your white damage as well as help to improve your bleed damage.

The problem I have with this style of build is shown in your first video where you attack 3 idiots taking a camp. And I call them idiots because with 3 of them there none of them notice you until you drop one of them and once you drop the 2nd the guardian rather than bubbling you off of your obvious stealth stomp he tries to res. (no offense but when I see a refuge go down next to a body I know what that thief is doing. As should most good players by now) But anyway back to the problem, a staff guardian almost kills you because of 1 skill on his bar. Cleansing Flames. You had a hard time keeping your conditions up on him and as such he was able to almost kill you with a very weak guardian weapon. This will be your downfall in fights anyone who is able to remove conditions will give you trouble. A mes using Null Field would be even worse as he would not only strip the bleeds you apply but the might you stack as well.

in that fight vs guardian, yeah i made too many mistake (i wrote it in video tho, i missed like 2 times CnD and 1 interrupt from steal, after i saw my video once more, i realise why the guardian not using bubble to interrupt my stomp, i believe, it because his weapon swap still in CD, or maybe he simply bad like u said :P

I would also like to point out that when fighting P/D thieves the majority of problems I have with them is the rendering issue they take advantage of. Because they don’t render for 2-3 seconds after their stealth expires they have a lot of extra time to build up free bleed stacks and then if they are good by the time they are rendering in they are going in for a CnD strike to hide for a little bit. So really rendering plays a very real role in this build because your stealth protects you for longer than it should. It is hard to kill something you cant target. (unless you have a crap ton of AoE skills) Once (if?) they fix the rendering issue I will be interested in finding out how well this build works.

rendering issue not only affect P/D but all thief build who using stealth for main set up damage such as backstab

As for my opinion I think this is just as effective a glass cannon. Both are effective in different ways. A glass cannon is designed to burn down 1 target very fast and move on. Your build is designed to take on 1-3 targets and kill them slowly and keep them busy. Both have a role to play but neither could do the others role.

But honestly you should not be asking us our opinion on your playing style. If you prefer this playing style over daggers or what ever then that is how you should play. Don’t play a style because everyone tells you that you should. Play a style because you love playing that way.

yup i realise that, thats why i changed this title thread, but i was too late

Ulquiorra.6903:

hmm trying this build x.x i keep running into glass cannon thieves that insta gib me with basalisk venom then just burst my face off…

u should have enough survability, even when they burst u with full combo, or at last trigger Last Refuge to preven u dying, after that u can easily reset the fight while they waiting 45 sec for their CD

Dacromir.6207:

First off, epic gameplay. You, sir, are a fantastic thief.

I have a few questions/comments

1) Accidental protip I found out a few days ago: If you’re in stealth, you can use Choking Gas (shortbow poison) without breaking it. Since you’re a condition damage build and use SoM, that would be crazy damage and healing for you. You should try that out sometime to troll zergs. Could make for a funny video :P

2) I’m curious why you don’t use pizza. +40% Condition duration and +70 condition damage would be a massive boost to your build. Your bleeds would last even longer (so they’d stack higher), and cripple from Caltrops/Uncatchable/Dagger Storm would last even longer.

3) How are you able to deal with clone-heavy mesmers? I ran this build for a while, and they were one of the hardest things for me to kill because I could never target them. Every time they drop target (stealth etc), you have to click on the correct target to shoot them (which is hard with all the clones), and then the bullets hit the clones way too often. With my sword, I just have to run up to the real mesmer and start swinging.

4) How do you deal with control-heavy builds (hammer warriors, for example)? You don’t seem to have any stun breaks.

5) What classes/builds give you the most trouble?

1. yup shortbow is good for secondary weapon,and if u not soloing supply camp, because i jump from one supply camp to another supply camp (for soloing or hold it , dont forget to snipe some dolyaks in your way )i rarely use shortbow, D/D LDB is perfect skill to do it
2. pizza is a good food if u wanna increase ur overall condition damage, but i dodge alot, thats reason why i can survive in those 1 v 3 situation those 40% endurance refill + bonus endurance refill from WvW its self, can make a big difference when u got outnumbered or holding supply camp from 20++ enemies , and for now i satisfied with my damage
3. its not that hard to dealing with mesmer, but u should know a basic for fighting mesmer, their clone/phantasm either stay in place or run towards you, and u can use those clone as your advantage too, that means u can use CnD even when the real mesmer not near u, just run towards those clone , well if u still confuse to find the real one, like i said run towards clone. CnD and stay invis, and dont attack if u not sure where the real mesmer is
4. if i fighting those cc build, make sure always stay in range except when u wanna do CnD in that case, use dodge roll to go in. yeah thats the biggest flaw from this build, (u dont have any stun breaker) all my utility is important, Caltrops
(main damage utility) Shadow Refuge (definetly the best utility in the game ) Signet of Shadow (as a roamer u need to go fast from 1 place to another place, and cant prevent enemies from canceling ur stomp) .thats why u relying on ur dodge alot , if u see in my first clip, the one when i 1v1 against warrior, i’ll definetly dead if didn’t dodge those bull’s charge,

5. in straight 1v1 situation. i dont have any problem with all class or build , but in outnumbered situation 1v2 1v3, i think a thief, who know what his doing, can give u big problem. Shadow Refuge to prevent u from stomping player or , especially when u ran into glasscanon thief squad lol. 1v1 if i got caught by those instagib build, i still can survive. use invis to regen etc, since i know they dont have anything after that, i can easily kill them , but in 1v2 even when i survived initial burst, their damage can still make u retreat or dead (the most annoying thing if u got killed by hs)

http://youtu.be/zmwXAFbFQiQ

here for straight combat in WvWvW, hope it help

STRanger.5120:

NightShade.5283:

my first choice rune for pvp is undead runes, because ppl tend to bring more defensive utility such as cond removal, but the reason why im using three types of runes in WvW,because sometimes when im sniping dolyaks they guard it with 3-7 ppl (i know its sounds crazy) i need to make sure that my bleed ticks long enough while im invis thats mean i can do enough damage without exposing myself, so with those 3 runes i have middle ground , where my bleeds tick longer, but i wont lose that much damage even when enemies using cond removal. *btw i forgot to mention that short condition duration is cons for P/D, but like i said before it easy to restack compared to D/D LDB longer duration but kinda hard to restack due to higher ini cost

I thought that this would be the reason Thanks for the clarification.
Also, I saw a calculations over the forums which were showing that for the sneak attack the beneficial bleed duration is only as 25% and then at 50%, for DB every 10% counts as an extra tick (due to longer base duration).
Assuming that these suggestions are true, It will be cheaper to get 4x major rune of the afflicted (57 cond dmg and 25% bleed duration) instead of 2x superior centaur and 2x superior afflicted (25 power, 28 cond dmg and 30% bleed duration), and the condition dmg will get even a little buff :-)

Edit: Unintended underlines

yup thats a great suggestion, considering thats superior runes is more expensive than major, and there is not that much difference between those 2 runes

STRanger.5120:

NightShade.5283:

cond removal only make fight a bit more longer then it supposed to be, the good thing about p/d their bleed duration short 4s-5s tops,but u can easily restack it in short time,(compared to D/D LDB) and auto attack from pistol inflict bleeding too, i’ve fought many bunker ele with tons condition removal, everytime they remove my condition i can restackt 6 bleed in 1-2 secs due to auto attack and sneak attack, and i wont run out ini if u connect ur CnD,
thats why i dump all my stats in condition damage

What about the runes? You have three types of runes in that build, so it is looking like you are stacking some cond duration after all. The complete set of undead runes will result in more condition dmg and bonus toughness as well. How about that? :-)

my first choice rune for pvp is undead runes, because ppl tend to bring more defensive utility such as cond removal, but the reason why im using three types of runes in WvW,because sometimes when im sniping dolyaks they guard it with 3-7 ppl (i know its sounds crazy) i need to make sure that my bleed ticks long enough while im invis thats mean i can do enough damage without exposing myself,not only that longer duration mean u can stacks more bleeds, before the first tick disappear. so with those 3 runes i have middle ground , where my bleeds tick longer, but i wont lose that much damage even when enemies using cond removal. *btw i forgot to mention that short condition duration is cons for P/D, but like i said before it easy to restack compared to D/D LDB longer duration but kinda hard to restack due to higher ini cost

Cuteypie.7835:

The problem is when you endup fighting anything with decent condition removal, esp with that cond build that can apply 2-3 conds at a time tops. With only one being a dmg cond.

cond removal only make fight a bit more longer then it supposed to be, the good thing about p/d their bleed duration short 4s-5s tops,but u can easily restack it in short time,(compared to D/D LDB) and auto attack from pistol inflict bleeding too, i’ve fought many bunker ele with tons condition removal, everytime they remove my condition i can restackt 6 bleed in 1-2 secs due to auto attack and sneak attack, and i wont run out ini if u connect ur CnD,
thats why i dump all my stats in condition damage

supergica.8652:

Gratz, nice job roaming. Altough I still think that one man preventing 20 from capping a camp by being invisible is not intended and should be fixed somehow. But still, very nice.

Two questions:
1. Are you in full exotic carrion (including trinkets)?
2. What foods do you use? Do you take veggie pizzas for the bleed duration or something else?

P.S. I hope condition builds don’t draw too much attention, they really are more powerful and the kiddies will scream nerf even harder :P

1. yup im using full carrion including trinkets
2. for food im using Bowls of Orrian Trufle Meat and Stew (100% chance gain might when dodge, 40% endurance refill) this food synergize well with Power of Inertia and Hidden Assassin, u see in my video, i have constant 7++ might every fight

Kirito.8796:

lol the condition build is so much more OP than bs/gc thief, yet no one complains about it aha. I honestly feel bad using this spec

maybe because ppl love to see big number , but look at those bleeds , aren’t they beautiful :P especially at 15++ stacks

Matsumori Oukanishi.8794:

My only question is what would a condition thief do in keep sieges and defense? the normal go-to Cluster Bomb from the short bow would hit like a wet noodle for a condition thief…

good question, so when the enemy zerg have long range siege (cata, treb,ballista) i’ll use shadow refuge to reach their siege and lay caltrops under player who use the siege. using dodge to lay more caltrops, that player will definetly stop firing siege weapon otherwise they will die to bleed, , use CnD (do CnD to siege weapon ) for maintain invis , if they focusing aoe at siege weapon (thats mean u succed to distract them), just get out or tag near player with CnD, do it again after caltrops ready, thats what i do in those situation, i doubt any other class can do that except thief, and i believe glasscanon thief cant even touch well protected long range siege alone

*CnD deal 1,5-2k to siege weapon
too bad i didnt frap those since zerg vs zerg that mean hella lag even without fraping

solo roamer video condi build
http://youtu.be/zmwXAFbFQiQ

camp holder video
http://youtu.be/kZOgTGIeAGM

condi build
pros : can solo supply camp in less than 1 min, can create distraction due to tankyness (hard to kill), can survive even kill people in 1v3 situation, can holding camp against 20++ enemies due to rendering issue ;P
cons : much more slower to kill an enemy (compared to GC), condition can be removed( that mean ur damage will be remove before it reach full potential )

in my video both using same build, the only differences is utility

tell me your opinion, and hope u guys enjoy the video

edit : added link for traits and build on my video, somehow i cant post it here -__-

edit title : since i realise that there is no equal comparison between Condi and GC (either build have cons and pros depend on the situation), and since there are only a few people using condition build, so i think, there is no harm when we discuss about condi thief in WvWvW to make people a little bit familiar about condi build, and with many ppl more and more using condi, i hope it will be less QQ for Thief, especially glasscannon

feel free to post ur build/traits rune and ur video

hei i wanna share a video too, this time from a thief perspective . enjoy the video =)

http://youtu.be/zmwXAFbFQiQ

Wothan.4673:

Pressing them more, guys xD
27 score diff. We can meet next week.
We are working hard for this.

Take our place, we need some rest.. and fight our Elona friend again, with FS i hope. It can be a good match up.

Well, i hope ScarX and RedGuard will not ragequit like in warhammer this time xD

to be honest i prefer arborstone to stay in T1. this server is better in term of skill and coordination than the other FR -random deso player opinion

Snort.3698:

Natureswarden.5102:

Thanks we appreciate the sentiment and actually I have had a few nice pms from a few FR server players stating that this is not the majority view.

I think the people here from FR coming into a deso thread and passing judgement on where they steered a thread is ridiculous. Take it out onto the field we will see who tops out at the end of the week and if deso looses its just gives them more incentive to keep trying.

The two great curses of this game are jealousy and graceless losers. I have come across both. I consider it a balm to look at the various score boards. With out fail, the graceless and jealous populate servers in freefall.

It is rather simple, those who organise prosper, that organisation takes a lot of work. When others are not willing to put it in they hang their arguments on an excuse. “There are too many americans, all the good guilds left, its all zergs, we were night capped, primetime, primetime….etc”

I see guilds such as Ruin as taking the brave decision, they saw that a strategic change was needed to compete at highest level.

Dont get me wrong, some dont want to compete at that level they want to potter about in the middle tier and that perfectly fine. They dont aspire to winning and this game is big enough for these different outlooks. In fact as a game it offers so many options.

However this is the wvwvw forum and many here are competitors.

So best of luck to you guys on desolation EU and NA.

Lets hope we can get up to that tier to kick your butts.

Best wishes

Snort – Blacktide

i cant wait to fight epic battle against u guys too

Natureswarden.5102:

Jaxom Last time i looked there were 4 tanked threads in the last week by 95% insults off people on FR servers and Ruin bashing. Most deso players at least chipped in something positive toward their adversary. Even now with the comment your ladder to fight doors. We know all about being night capped in Ruin we managed to help knock the T1 top slot off the peg without a 2 v 1 or a night cap group. Try doing that.

So why not stay? Because it was like watching paint dry and the server we were on had allot of underlying drama on it that made it a no go zone eventually for most guilds Ruin wanted to recruit. The kind of things that arent solvable so yeah Ruin left. They got tired of spending their gold and time to help a server that didnt want to join in.

Desolation guilds work as a team its far more fun that way.

Heads up in primetime many ruin players also join in so its not pvdoor and I can count dozens of times this week where VS or S guilds hop across BL’s in masses until they meet an equal number of deso players then leave to go cap out another BL map we are outmanned in. So your argument of PvDoor is ridiculous.

People move round a map accordingly to cap things out and Ive yet to be steamrolled by a small AS or VS group of less than even numbers.

Jesus the week before we got up to your tier I went 3 v 10 for over an hour holding spirtiholme supply camp against a commander and other cohorts in the t2 bracket. They threw everything at us but the kitchen sink and eventually left when their commander died 4 times in 2 minutes. Thats hardly wanting unfair battles 3 v 10.

lol i was there buddy, remember me Lyan ( backstab thief) ;D, it was pretty fun , at the end we build a ram, lol

supertony.6920:

this is just too hilarious that i just must comment this: VIVA LA FRANCE!!! keep it going guys its getting funnier each day

i know right, they keep made up ridiculous excuse , like i said before keep it up guys, this is very entertaint

wogh so many QQ thread about desolation, keep it up guys ;D

Cafeine.9832:

Natureswarden.5102:

Cafeine.9832:

Natureswarden.5102:

Gwal.2813:

Natureswarden.5102:

again go read the mos graphs posted here numerous times. You still cannot win through the day now.

Because tell me, what’s the point of fighting if you know in the end you gonna lose because of some unfair timezone trick ?

Ummm you have 4 native language servers and this has been poured over again and again its your inability through unwilliness to recruit what you need. You could claw what you needed from those 4 servers if you really tried.
And if you can’t 2 v 1 is an option. Not everyone elses fault you are too proud to use it. can’t say the option isnt there in a tri faction game.

Tried to have a full servers all servers are full. We can’t have 24/24 players cause we are tagged ! You understand bro ?

We haven’t the same chance to win !

Anet relaxes the transfer status at times and late nights and if you planned hops it could happen you just want it your own way.

You have as much chance to win as anyone else. From what I see your 2 v 1 and little night cap to the top sherade is over and you don’t like it. Don’t blame everyone else adapting to counter the SAME TACTICS YOU HAVE USED SUCCESSFULLY TO WIN.

Don’t blame EU servers which are melting pots and have many languages for your inability to promote your servers.. EU servers have a harder ride there. 80-100 people arent responsible for wrecking thousands of players competition. If thats so you should take a strong look and ask if you belong in the top slot.

Same tactics ? When we do some operation on Vizunah like morning cap with 50 players max ? In Desolation it’s 1500 players bro ! Come from USA in RUIN guild… 1500 PLAYERS IT’S SAME TACTICS THAN 50 PLAYERS ? BRO ? (I can caps lock same has you…pfff beaver !)

, omg this guy so funny, ummm can u explain to me how to fit 1500 players in 4 maps WvW pls, french ppl can be funny when whinning

Genev.2450:

I think the point was more this:
“plusieurs guildes Québecoises sont déjà présentes sur VS”
Translated:
Several Quebec guilds are already on VS

Read the post without translator since i have my own considerable skills to rely on /flex

yup thats what google translate told me :P thx mate. so they ask quebec guild, and since they failed to convice them,so now they blame NA-EU transfer, now all make sense, i wonder what will happen if those quebec guild aggred to come to europe lol,

’The very first time you start the game, you’ll be asked to select your home world.
By default, we display the worlds that are hosted in your regional data center, but you will be able to select a home world from either region at this time. So, for example, if you are a European player who prefers to play on the North American worlds, you’re free to do so.

whos selfish now ? if NA people wanna play in EU then let it be lol

Gwal.2813:

Excession.2198:

Wake up, get a clue.

you get up.

what you see is tri-faction.

you’re clearly overestimating your server : if both FR server were allied, you wouldn’t be in the lead for score : you have seen it last week end.

yup 1 server let the other server took SM without event trying to stop it, to prevent another server took it , seems legit to me, definetly not allied (insert sarcasm here )

jaxom.7469:

gebrechen.5643:

jaxom.7469:

Sorry, the US guild is not beating us, but beating our doors

we like our doors.

The only difference to the beginning of GW is that in the first 10 1 day matchups and the first 3 matches over 1 week it was you beating the doors of FS and Deso and winning the matches after monday with 600+ points every night because of FS and Deso sleeping.

So it’s ok when french people win because of door beating, but it’s not ok, if Americans do that?

That’s really pathetic.

you really don’t see the difference between a couple of french people who continues to play at 4am in the morning, and american people transferring to EU ladder , connecting easily after work with 100+ people to bash doors for an easy win when they can play on their ladder ?

French are EU on EU timezone, NA ( and french canada for people who still think there is canadians on VS) have their ladder with their timezone ….

Come on

The new desolation is strong, could have won without them and i don’t know, even for your pride it would have been a lot better.

winning at night with your own people is not hard you know, you just need to find ONE late sleeper commander who motivates and organise PU for them not to disconnect and do something else.

Yeah i gave you the big secret of VS.

*For now yeah you won, you won so much nobody wants to play with you anymore *.

its k ,we still waiting for Blacktide and other server to play with us, Deso vs Blacktide cant wait for this match up,

Nehalennia.5082:

Arena.net said:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/a-world-of-choice-the-regions-of-guild-wars-2/

And now retract?

Nice advertising stuff

its funny when those french-CANADIAN guild nightcapped deso and FS they didnt bring this matters, but after all this feels so good, since we do what they did to us , we just adapt, remember u guys said that now ?

@zarg
in that case, we will push hard and make sure Blacktide join us in T1 so we could see who have more talents Blacktide , FR, or Deso, ;D,

Celimdor.7381:

I m looking at my watch and like every night since Mance Rayder is among Desolation, i m saying to myslef “Winter is coming” …
Undeads and heretics on the wall !!! Burn baby burn !

sure an undead who own at prime time, thats mean “the others” worse than undead,whats more worse than undead. hmm frog maybe ;D

better go to ENGLISH speaking server ;D

go blacktide i cheers for u guys, hope u can be in T1 soon

-random deso player

since u guys always spouting mythical 2000 and 500 number but in fact there are only 80-100 of them , so it will be fun if we make it come true, ( but maybe take a long time ). we got outnumbered and we lose, its k, like i said before u guys deserve it

yeah we should, lets make those 400 numbers come true, since they ask for it

Ral.5326:

Great job Vizunah, proving dedication can overcome pure numbers of Desolation and never giving up against overwhelming odds.

Europe is proud of you

lol pure number of desolation, are u kidding right ? did u play in this match up? did u know that from the very first day i never saw Vizunah got outmanned buff, while we (desolation) almost got it everyday in 1-2 borderland earlier morning and night, pls get ur fact straight first before spouting nonsense like 2000 RUIN mythical member. anyway Congratz for all VS players, you guys deserved it, hope we can do better next week

Congrats for VS players, tbh this match up is pretty close and fun , and its show that we (deso) still need more to learn,i hope we can do better next week, and last like a wise man said “If you never lose then you can never appreciate the victories.”

with 2 "top servers " againts deso, and they still keeping the score event. now i know why they hate deso so much and make them like an evil server
http://i.imgur.com/msEx0.jpg

People of DESOLATION . My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come, when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of Fellowship, but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you, stand, men of DESOLATION -LOTR

@Sird why?, this thread pretty much same like blacktide battle report. i dont see any problem with that

yeah lets enjoy this matchup, fill it with epic fight