Guild Wars 2

Thank you for reopening this thread.

+ all of[EP]’s support here.

As someone who has been leading a guild since pre-release, I can not argue with anything in the original post. These are observable facts which have led to very close gaming communities being built from larger scale PvP. I’ve likely made a few life-long friends because of large scale pvp in your game and for that, I can not express my gratitude enough. It is extremely fun when you’re in a group of 15-25 people fighting other groups of similar size, or larger pick up groups. This credit belongs to a refined combo-field based, AOE capped combat system that is unique to GW2.

It’s hard to see this when you haven’t felt the pleasure of dumping a big fat juicy bomb on a clump of hungry heavy-armor classes before or after pouncing them with your own heavy classes. If this format of play is so well supported by an unofficial crowd, imagine the fruit an ArenaNet endorsement could bear. I have not personally spoken to one person who has exhausted their desire to pursue the experience of larger scale fights once exposed to team-oriented 15+ vs 15+ in this combat system. (Aside from the period of time after bloodlust imbalanced the combat with stat bonuses, during which, many tried to find a similar experience in other MMOs)

Seriously, your combat system has a record deal while every other MMO CS is still posting raps on Youtube with a webcam from November 23, 2004. Think about what that means.

Introducing an official format of larger scale pvp, you will see a significant group of people return to play consistently once news has reached them- as well as a population boom to the existing community from other areas of the game. It’s pretty hard not to enjoy team-work in PvP.

Capitalize on this before someone makes a stand-alone of similar nature. The difference is that you as the developers already have the advantage of an experienced community to extract valuable input from as well as the boon of player generated content and tutorials to help ease newer players into the format. A boon that necromancers can’t corrupt.
kekekekekeke

but really.

dont make this about you, Backpack already gave me a spot.

I am honored, and will be bringing my cats to the team house.

MountainPanda.5831:

Not trying to be disrespectful, but thank you OP for the hilarious video. In my mind, I was thinking how nice would it be for a condi necro to be around. Nice empower, Gs3 + gs2 ombo, very sync!

Ps: maybe try taking video of you 1 v many, since Abjured individuals can take on a few enemies at the same time.

I’m glad you found the satire within

hope restored.

you sound angry.

SobeSoul.6910:

WvW or gvg section —-—————————————->

EDIT: Would like to see you duel any of the members on their roster.

can i bring my 4 guardian friends to the duel?

also, video is more a shot at GvG guardian footage than anything else .

hey guys im trying out for the abjured just incase AoN doesnt take me in

hope i get in.

Part 2

With that kind of growth, it would seem a GvG (or raid vs raid whatever you want to call it) scene in GW2 could compete (easily) with what Wild Star has coming. (I’m sure you guys have read about it)
Keep your monopoly on raid vs raid pvp thriving, ANET.

Devs, is this something that is possible? Is it likely, unlikely? If so, you can take this idea, delete the post and take credit, I wouldn’t even be mad. You saw the feedback that people gave about that obsidian sanctum’s original release. It was such a simple small thing for us, yet we loved you guys for it even though it was few weeks past-bloodlust patch. This arena pretty much saved my guild from a downward slope towards disinterest in the game.

Here is the only con that I can think of from my perspective:

Now I will be honest with you, this would lose you a few gem purchases in transfers (most people just use in game gold conversion to gems that transfer for GvG purposes anyway), however- I think it’s pretty much as simple as adding more tonics similar to Ascalonion Mage Potion to the gem store to make up for this. GvG squads love running those tonics, so make up for the minor losses in gem-for-transfers by adding tonic packs to gem store. Maybe I wanna be a human or a norn. Gimme a tonic that transmutes me to a male/female t1 norn heavy, or something. People will buy temporary race-change tonics. I guarantee that. I think that gem-funded tonic packs would probably rake you in more gem-purchases than guild-wide transfers would anyway in the long run.

Anyway, feedback would really be appreciated from anyone who would like to give it. If you like this idea, why?
If you dislike this idea, why?
How would this effect you, as a solo player, as a guild member, as a guild leader?
How would this effect your guild?

Lets keep it civil please!

Thanks for reading.

As the title reads, would this be possible? Is this something the developers would consider?

I think Edge of the Mists is a great map and probably serves it’s purpose quite well. I like going around on those maps and fighting and enjoy the fact that what happens there stays there. Interaction with people and guilds of all different servers opens up so many possibilities, its great.

A question that crosses my mind quite often though: How many of us are there (especially among the guild vs guild demographic) would appreciate and take advantage of an obsidian sanctum that had the same overflow/different instance capability as Edge of the Mists operates upon?

I think a lot of lower tier server based guilds in both server groups would love an opportunity to go raid vs raid/ guild vs guild against upper tier guilds. I know as a t2/t3 guild, EP loves to meet brand new guilds we’ve never crossed paths with in open field. Whether that be the occasional shift in server matches, or EOTM. I would love to be able to look at all the colors of all the servers each week and think “I’m red this week. oh these servers are blue, these blue servers have Agg, HOPE, Ark, PYRO, BB, DI, DN, FEAR, TW (and so on) as their guilds, and these green servers have (repeat).” Set up some GvG or whatever, I imagine GW2 could even have every guild interested in this scene (which is once again growing in number quite rapidly) having one gvg per night all week long. Could even have a nice listing of guilds per server, as someone in another thread on this board is making.

Here are some benefits
This will directly increase the life-span of guilds and their members staying in this game. > > I am 100% confident that this applies not only to my guild (Everything Purple [EP])- GvG is why we play this game. Sure the outnumbered blob fights are fun, but what’s really fun to a competitive (and even when we weren’t so competitive) guild is testing yourselves in an even numbered arranged fight vs another guild’s raid. It’s awesome to see what kind of hard work you put into your guild is reflected by pitting your team against another. My point is, this format of GvG is incredibly healthy for a guild’s ability to sustain high level of interest over long periods of time in GW2 This even applies for quite a few PPT-centric wvw guilds that I know of, who take part in this player-hosted event.

It might seem like it would not be as effective as I make it sound, but let me point out that with this ability to set up cross-match up GvG, comes the option for newer guilds to pick and choose other guilds around the same experience level as they have to practice against. There are a lot of guilds who are interested in this, but can’t seem to get a real start, I have seen it plenty of times.A lot of guilds are stuck in a tier of very experienced GvG guilds who are just too well practiced in open field mechanics of GW2- fighting against these guilds only, and losing to them pushes newer guilds into a state of discouragement. How would you like to jump into tPvP with the best tPvP crews on your first day, and only be able to compete against that caliber of player for a long and indefinite period of time? You learn some things, but without a proper opponent of your own level to apply the things you learn on, it’s not likely that you will feel much sense of accomplishment. As leader of EP, our first GvG was against the hardest opponent we had the opportunity to face, Aggression (here is my guild getting schooled http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTatZFygT9M )

While I went into this fight knowing I would lose, I knew I would learn a LOT about how open field works in this game… and I did. But the important thing to remember is, if every opponent facerolled us like Agg did that day, I think we would have been a lot less enthusiastic about getting into the scene and staying in the game. Getting beat is important, and necessary to learning and improving in an established game.. but just as important is the opportunity to apply the things you learn against opponents on the same level that you are on. Our first GvG was against Agg, who 6-0’d us on May 30, 2013. We took what we learned from it, and applied to other fights.. we lost some and learned from those, applied that information.. until finally we repayed Agg by completely reversing the score in an August rematch.. and have considered them our greatest rivals since. Some goku/vegeta stuff.

With this being said, I think an instanced Obsidian Sanctum for purposes of color-based GvG matching would really encourage more guilds to be involved, which would directly improve the life-span potential of those guilds, and also encourage the forming and joining of even more, new guilds. Adding overflow/instanced Obs Sanctum that works the same way as EOTM matching does, would greatly increase the health of not only GW2’s WvW, but the GvG Scene in GW2 as well.

1. Large scale fights in the open field.
2. Guild Rivalry
3. Guild focused raiding

1. Supply draining cows
2. Encouraged server-centric attitude rather than guild-centric. This is why people blob around. Also because the supply draining cows make it impossible for a group of 20 to build anything with someone sitting on a door-treb all day. 1 or 2 rams under 3 or 4 arrow carts + a door treb after supply draining is not going to bring down a reinforced door before an 80 man blob sweeps that group of 20.
The blobby-everybody-in-one-spot mentality over taking the idea of working together as guild groups 10-30 people. Imagine maps full of these guild groups running? The fights would be amazing, the objective pushing would actually seem fun again, having a constant multiprong pressure all over the map.. But GL with that, the supply draining cow is never going to encourage small group play.

3. The lack of town clothes. While we’re at it, add more tonics that allow combat/utility access during use (such as the ascalonian mage potions), make them different races found around the game. Toss them in the gem store or make them craftable, either way- people would use them. Easy solution to having to reroll for different character models. But seriously, allow the town clothes. I’m trying to have boxing matches in the Lord’s room while there is nothing else to do on the map.

EDIT: Erased irrelevant. Misread My Matches date section totally.

Also more guilds need to use this site again, orbageddon is no excuse no more scrim-only gvg its go time season 2 gvg.

I’m so hungry for the second age of GvG I could eat my laptop…

welcome back RG. I hope your return inspires many.

EP is looking for gvg’s. 15 and 20v20.

gw2gvg.com or not.

Please PM me in game, or send me a mail.
I’m looking at guilds like SE, Abyss, FUN (we have one already lined up ) Kiwi?

More guilds, name ALL the guilds.

Anyone who will give us fights.

Traxien Cion.9261:

ResetSmith.3719:

Traxien Cion.9261:

Dat EBG 2v1.

y r FA and SoS so bad?

You heard it guys. 2v1 is only acceptable when TC does it.

I’d never 2v1, personally

because you are a bad strategist

Arena is alrdy being used to duel in.

Are there any guilds interested in GvG? in game mail Odinzu or Oppinzu

Press 2 for treasure from downstated players.

Fun night in JQ BL.

If any guilds would like to set GvG up with EP please PM myself or Gang Signs.

We’re accepting all challenges 15-20.

I heard, was really looking forward to fighting his group. :[

see you on the field man

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Odinzu.9645:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Odinzu.9645:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Odinzu.9645:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

PredatoR.5247:

Rama.6439:

Polismassa.6740:

Sorry to CERN and Agg/EP for not giving you guys good fights tonight. So much of our guild got stuck in queue. This is a weird night in that we’re doing great map wise and terribly fights wise.

That’s ok, EP/Agg just got a good fight from SG at the NE camp on TCBL, didn’t ya? Why did ya run off tho? We weren’t done having fun with ya…

See me tomorrow, when I actually login to WvW

They were getting good fights from us in EBG but they didn’t win any and left the map -_- (EP that is, Agg wasn’t really there in force)

Although it’ll be a different story when Jericho is leading for sure.

I’m just wondering if you understand what 80+ people can do in a zerg. We left the map because you sat your fat blob of players on top of keep walls and only pushed us with JQ on our flank. Good fights keep us around, but timid commanders are boring. The 3 way in the BL was fun though.
Though I think Fading was leading that.

Don’t come on here and try to take the enjoyment we had from our reset night away, we did in fact enjoy beating you every time and its our accolade to hold. I don’t expect the outcome to be the same if you and Agg are together in force because that’s a force few groups can handle but on reset night we were most certainly the victors.

> “EP didnt win any fights so they left the map”
>> “Don’t come on here and try to take the enjoyment we had from our reset night”.
>>> PM’d supply count of 80 man blob + EB lag.
When does EP ever run with 50 people? With Agg’s ppl we had like 40.

Your blob was not fun for the map, so we left because of that, don’t write me a qq book just because I corrected your assumption lol. This is just a game, chill out and have fun.

Hope to see more fights like last night with CERN/STUN.

Awesome video Bacon, perfect example of how a warrior should be played.

But you love QQ books, and whatever you have to tell yourself, please call Big Brother if you need help.

Also, its a good thing I am writing the books here cause this Quote 2:“Your blob was not fun for the map, so we left because of that-Odinzu” doesn’t even match your original story Quote 1 (Original Story): “We left the map because you sat your fat blob of players on top of keep walls and only pushed us with JQ on our flank-Odinzu.”

I will explain for you.

Fighting big fat reset blobs that sit on keep walls and only push when 3rd server is on our flank is not fun when you have 40 players. = same story.
Keep it coming, you’re lookin great Chuu!!

Again, you don’t have to lie to kick it, no one likes a fabricated story Odin, I told you, leave the story telling to me since you can’t get it straight. And thanks baby I’ve been working out.

Really not sure why you have such a kitten for me or my guild. Lying about what? You came here posting about us first, and making assumptions. When I corrected you, more assumptions paired with insults were posted by you.

Here is a fact- you lost your keep because almost every player on the map was on your icon while you were fighting JQ, after you wiped half of us. An immediate fight with JQ after wiping half of our group indicates you were pushing on us while they were on our flank.

Knowing the map population cap is ~100, (and I’m not saying you had 100 players) and that we had around 40- what makes you think that I would lie about losing a fight with you guys? In skill lag 80+ vs 40 is a matter of a big group cleaving over a smaller group. You played a very careful game with that number of people and it was boring and laggy. If you can’t understand that, then I apologize for you.

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Odinzu.9645:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Odinzu.9645:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

PredatoR.5247:

Rama.6439:

Polismassa.6740:

Sorry to CERN and Agg/EP for not giving you guys good fights tonight. So much of our guild got stuck in queue. This is a weird night in that we’re doing great map wise and terribly fights wise.

That’s ok, EP/Agg just got a good fight from SG at the NE camp on TCBL, didn’t ya? Why did ya run off tho? We weren’t done having fun with ya…

See me tomorrow, when I actually login to WvW

They were getting good fights from us in EBG but they didn’t win any and left the map -_- (EP that is, Agg wasn’t really there in force)

Although it’ll be a different story when Jericho is leading for sure.

I’m just wondering if you understand what 80+ people can do in a zerg. We left the map because you sat your fat blob of players on top of keep walls and only pushed us with JQ on our flank. Good fights keep us around, but timid commanders are boring. The 3 way in the BL was fun though.
Though I think Fading was leading that.

Don’t come on here and try to take the enjoyment we had from our reset night away, we did in fact enjoy beating you every time and its our accolade to hold. I don’t expect the outcome to be the same if you and Agg are together in force because that’s a force few groups can handle but on reset night we were most certainly the victors.

> “EP didnt win any fights so they left the map”
>> “Don’t come on here and try to take the enjoyment we had from our reset night”.
>>> PM’d supply count of 80 man blob + EB lag.
When does EP ever run with 50 people? With Agg’s ppl we had like 40.

Your blob was not fun for the map, so we left because of that, don’t write me a qq book just because I corrected your assumption lol. This is just a game, chill out and have fun.

Hope to see more fights like last night with CERN/STUN.

Awesome video Bacon, perfect example of how a warrior should be played.

But you love QQ books, and whatever you have to tell yourself, please call Big Brother if you need help.

Also, its a good thing I am writing the books here cause this Quote 2:“Your blob was not fun for the map, so we left because of that-Odinzu” doesn’t even match your original story Quote 1 (Original Story): “We left the map because you sat your fat blob of players on top of keep walls and only pushed us with JQ on our flank-Odinzu.”

I will explain for you.

Fighting big fat reset blobs that sit on keep walls and only push when 3rd server is on our flank is not fun when you have 40 players. = same story.
Keep it coming, you’re lookin great Chuu!!

MomentofWeakness.1246:

Odinzu.9645:

MomentofWeakness.1246:

PredatoR.5247:

Rama.6439:

Polismassa.6740:

Sorry to CERN and Agg/EP for not giving you guys good fights tonight. So much of our guild got stuck in queue. This is a weird night in that we’re doing great map wise and terribly fights wise.

That’s ok, EP/Agg just got a good fight from SG at the NE camp on TCBL, didn’t ya? Why did ya run off tho? We weren’t done having fun with ya…

See me tomorrow, when I actually login to WvW

They were getting good fights from us in EBG but they didn’t win any and left the map -_- (EP that is, Agg wasn’t really there in force)

Although it’ll be a different story when Jericho is leading for sure.

I’m just wondering if you understand what 80+ people can do in a zerg. We left the map because you sat your fat blob of players on top of keep walls and only pushed us with JQ on our flank. Good fights keep us around, but timid commanders are boring. The 3 way in the BL was fun though.
Though I think Fading was leading that.

Don’t come on here and try to take the enjoyment we had from our reset night away, we did in fact enjoy beating you every time and its our accolade to hold. I don’t expect the outcome to be the same if you and Agg are together in force because that’s a force few groups can handle but on reset night we were most certainly the victors.

> “EP didnt win any fights so they left the map”
>> “Don’t come on here and try to take the enjoyment we had from our reset night”.
>>> PM’d supply count of 80 man blob + EB lag.
When does EP ever run with 50 people? With Agg’s ppl we had like 40.

Your blob was not fun for the map, so we left because of that, don’t write me a qq book just because I corrected your assumption lol. This is just a game, chill out and have fun.

Hope to see more fights like last night with CERN/STUN.

Awesome video Bacon, perfect example of how a warrior should be played.

Holdyir.2918:

80+, lol. You need to change your sig, you aren’t part of the coast anymore.

80+ reset EB, not SoS BL fights, but good call on the sig change. More fights like SoS BL tonight pls:)

MomentofWeakness.1246:

PredatoR.5247:

Rama.6439:

Polismassa.6740:

Sorry to CERN and Agg/EP for not giving you guys good fights tonight. So much of our guild got stuck in queue. This is a weird night in that we’re doing great map wise and terribly fights wise.

That’s ok, EP/Agg just got a good fight from SG at the NE camp on TCBL, didn’t ya? Why did ya run off tho? We weren’t done having fun with ya…

See me tomorrow, when I actually login to WvW

They were getting good fights from us in EBG but they didn’t win any and left the map -_- (EP that is, Agg wasn’t really there in force)

Although it’ll be a different story when Jericho is leading for sure.

I’m just wondering if you understand what 80+ people can do in a zerg. We left the map because you sat your fat blob of players on top of keep walls and only pushed us with JQ on our flank. Good fights keep us around, but timid commanders are boring. The 3 way in the BL was fun though.
Though I think Fading was leading that.

Still plenty of guilds on TC worth mentioning.

For fights, RoT EXS CERN and GF when they raid.
For WvW, NOPE PiNk, FLUX, TTC are all solid guilds, plus the unaffiliated players that contribute to these guilds’ efforts. DIS deserves a mention here as well as the REx players and the hopeful revival of MU.

Now that Nightlight is back, fighting TC is going to be even more fun. Best of luck TC!

Caroline.4987:

[ART] is an NA guild? =S But I kept running them over with 20 militia this morning…=S

Nope! ART I think is SEA. They run 10-20 normally. We had a fun gvg with them last time vs SoS. Interesting playstyles.

but anyway, for fights come to EB if you are mag/SoS!

Knowing this revitalized my willingness to raid WvW even in this terribly cruel match up.

I dont mind it being a leak.

eksn.7264:

Luvpie.8350:

Dear TC.
3 orbs plus 25-30 EP not fun.
Sincerely
SoS

And after capping everything on our BL you guys keep 3 big guilds there? Where’s the fun :[. If only you were looking for fights, but you’re just keeping your megazerg together.

Idk what guilds were on SoS BL, but in EP’s case we choose a map and are stuck there the rest of the night bc this week is Fairweather City. I hate the siege we run into in T1 match ups, but it is so much better to be able to move around the maps.

and @ the TG guy, 25 ppl isnt an omniblob…?
But the buffs do make for a less satisfying wipe after big fights. :/

please db/sos come to EB.

whoooooooooooooooo~~~ cares~~~~

All I said was that the buffs make bombs strong. Nothing more, nothing less. We’re probably arguing the same point on team work w/ buffs.

My problem is with people claiming we OOC intentionally. No one does this in EP.

let’s not have a forum war. The buffs make bombs REALLY strong, the end.
As for OOC, I already talked to one of your guys about it, and it ended there. Don’t come on the forums calling out foul play, when the guild leaders have already went over it.
There was a D/D ele that RTL out of the fight, and turned around. If he dropped combat, the regen was short. I watched your video. And I already talked to them about it, we don’t OOC intentionally.

No. Buffs are terrible, map design is cool. Buffs = terrible

probably just forgot honestly, he was pretty fast on ours!

qq city on this thread right now.
Hit me up for a game of go fish, real man’s game. Then talk after…..

anyway fun gvg IRON, thanks for the fun fights and the brawl afterwards, hit me up for a game of go fish we’ll see whats good.

Nah, Parfur is just the messenger.

EP now recruiting Parfur. A guild that will never rob it’s members of a learning opportunity to save face.

Let me know.

Match cancelled. Extremely disappointed, unfortunate that all of my EP people made time for this.

For those in TW who wanted this to happen. /salute

For those who didn’t: The reason does not justify wasting our time or getting our hopes up to be denied the opportunity.
It doesn’t feel right to me that we just became #1 after a forfeit. It doesnt feel right at all.
See you on the field.

Still to be determined. Pryan explained that TW was unhappy with guild performance lately, so it may not happen

I hope we can get this set up, as our last opportunity to fight on even ground. Will update you guys here I guess.

Thanks Choo, for the clean and very smooth GvG. Fun brawls yesterday, you deserve respect.

@saiyr, Mag and EBay weeks contributed to our evolving style of fight. We try to take the best qualities of every style and mesh them into our arsenal- whatever works. Important to take losses seriously and keep an open mind to change.

I appreciate all the kind words towards EP guys.

@Dugald: FOR THE TOAST!!!!!!11!!!!

someone make it happen……

Hope you find something good, btw Ogre.

EP will continue to GvG even if orbs not in our favor. thug life

awesome work on the site. Little confusing at first but that’s just b/c its new of course. Otherwise looks very clean.
/agree @ martypants /agree @ martypants /agree @ martypants /agree @ martypants /agree @ martypants /agree @ martypants /agree @ martypants /agree @ martypants

Fans of both guilds, cant wait to see it.

Thank you for fights, TW.

EP vs TW thursday 20v20.

Possible 15v15 Monday if TW allows, EP prefers not to do both thursday. I will lose my voice and my team gets super stressed over big matches like this.
Very passionate team we have.. but if we can’t split days we’re going to try to do both thursday.

Sending your necro into the forest to gather his daily logs after a fresh cup of OOC, and the silver ranked ele/bronze ranked mesmer into the stands for a game of hide and seek and OOC pie.

That sounds pretty rewarding, not imbalanced either

Asudementio.8526:

Lanimal.6541:

Asudementio.8526:

Esuni.2498:

Lzay I did not claim we are bigger than the wvw population, Im sayign we are a big part of it and the hardcore part of it. If they wish to push us into the ground then thats their decision but they shouldnt do it the way they do it now as its unprofessional and insanely rude towards their customers.

Everyone can agree that the altar system is a good idea, however everyone also agrees that the stat buff should not be implemented for various reasons.
Anet not listening to their playerbase is a bigger concern than this buff in general.
GvG players are a big victim of this on top of problems it would already cause and that is the point that is made.
Insulting GvG or arguing about how big or skilled it is should not be included in that discussion

@cimon, enjoy your 24 empty servers with 3 stacked servers blobbing the world

Because you can’t play for ppt and be hardcore?

And no, not everyone agrees that an orb mechanic should not have a stat buff. The buff has to be worthwhile, stats ensure that. We can argue how much of a stat buff it should be, but there are those who think a stat buff is not a bad thing.

That is part of the problem with the GvG community, they stomp around and act like they represent the entirety of WvW and that unless they get everything on their list of demands then there will be no WvW.

Also, the GvG community has been inviting resentment towards itself with how it treats not only Dev livestreams but discussions counter to their positions in general.

You know me Asudem. I know all about that PPT game and was more hardcore about it than most did on TC but I can tell you that stat buff is in no way a positive addition to the game for WvWers or GvG-ers alike. Areanent with their subsequent changes has moved the game to support larger and larger blobs. WXP, then siege being tradeable and now these stat buffs.

The orb bonuses should not have been stat buffs all also should not spread across the whole wvw population. They should have made it so it had buffs such as quicker upgrades, more supply per dolyak. Things that directly add to defense and PPT rather than stats that help blobs and servers with superior coverage. They made a big mistake here again.

Secondly, GvG is very much an active and large part of WvW; however, I agree that ANET needs to separate GvG from WvW but they actually need to come out and say something on the subject or they are going to see a drastic drop in organized wvw population. This doesnt change the fact that arenanet has been kittenting on normal WvW from their patches in the last 6 or so months as well. Orbageddon sucks for us GvG-ers yeah but its equally bad for WvW-ers and PPT players.

The orb mechanic has to have meaningful impact on how WvW is played. I think stat buffs are the most straightforward means of doing this without HAVING TO snuff out all playability. The stat buffs need to be impactful, not overpowered. I wouldn’t mind the buffs not giving stats but unless Anet can devise a way to have the buff effect the gameplay in a meaningful way, which they seem woefully incapable of doing thus why they fell back on a stat buff, the orb mechanic may as well not exist.

10% more hp to all walls and doors per orb. 10% move speed to yaks, or 15% strength to guards. maybe even 5% dmg to siege engines vs walls/doors per orb but that may support the snowball.

^^ stuff like this, is WvW and makes a huge difference in the long term.

twitch.tv/masonofequinox > profile > past broadcasts. First video is 40 min, 2nd is 27 3rd is 1.5 hr

I would love to change your mind. Hope some day you can watch an EP gvg from the hill, Moon. Videos cannot show what is truly happening.

This is true pvp, utilizing ANet’s combo mechanic to the max. The concentration needed in these fights are high, very high.