Guild Wars 2

I assume you’re mostly pugging. I run axe/mace + rifle (mostly cuz I have the fractal rifle skin and like having vuln + cripple when having to be ranged for survival cuz the pug doesn’t have reflects or if I’m tanking everything cuz the rest of the group can’t keep up) , having vuln / cripple / knockdown options always good in pugs IMO. When you’re in a dedicated group then worry about 100% best, but if you’re in a pug you have to just survive sometimes. Obviously having other weapons available when necessary is important too, don’t skip out on other weapons and only run with these.

Needs more development of grouping mechanics, I was really hoping to see some news about grouping tools.

So I guess their solution to building groups is to weed through the list of everyone flagged to lfg and ask if they want to run the same instance? …

Mirta.5029:

Paine.2513:

Mirta.5029:

actually I’m studying to be a programmer. All I was saying is that what they would need to do is to be careful of what kind of LFG they put in. An auto-group would be pretty bad and another channel would be pretty bad too. That website works pretty well. They could copy the MODEL of it and set it up the same way as they did with the black lion (on a different server, working on a global basis).

Keep studying.

There’s already a grouping system in game for sPvP, and they would want to use a similar interface for standardization and continuity. There is no reason to use a separate server and add to the complexity.

with a standard system like spvp has you’re talking about increasing dungeon kicks, frustration and forcing everyone to adopt the same playstyle. A dungeon finding system has to be more complex than that.

I was referencing the interface and that they would want other similar interfaces to be standardized across the game. I have a link earlier in this thread to another post I made on the suggestion forums with minor changes they would have to make for it to work for lfg, but in any case they would want the interfaces to have a similar standardized look so it looked like a natural addition to the game.

Mirta.5029:

actually I’m studying to be a programmer. All I was saying is that what they would need to do is to be careful of what kind of LFG they put in. An auto-group would be pretty bad and another channel would be pretty bad too. That website works pretty well. They could copy the MODEL of it and set it up the same way as they did with the black lion (on a different server, working on a global basis).

Keep studying.

There’s already a grouping system in game for sPvP, and they would want to use a similar interface for standardization and continuity. There is no reason to use a separate server and add to the complexity.

Erebus

it would take less then a week with only ONE programmer on it to fully program a LFG system. most of the code is already there and its pure copy pasted, all the core coding needed is already there.

Yea, the devs have the sPvP “game browser” that they could for the most part copy/paste with some minor changes, and the gw1 system to use as a foundation for something in gw2, a rough version could be made up in a few hours and polished up within a week.

Kojiden.8405:

I figured the January update wasn’t going to be a content update, but a quality of life update. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a lfg system.

I hope you’re right, but I haven’t seen any dev response to any lfg system request. It would be a pleasant surprise but I’m not holding my breath.

Just saying, I wouldn’t have rushed to buy it if I knew it was a lvl to 80 and quit from boredom sort of game. I could have waited for it to be on sale and I wouldn’t have bought deluxe. Usually the time leveling in an MMO is an investment in playing the end game, the story line in GW2 was decent, but I could buy any single player rpg to get the same leveling experience that I got in GW2 without the trade broker issues and world transfer problems that plagued the first few weeks. Not having thought out a real end-game for an MMO is just not acceptable, and their lack of response makes me wish I put my time into something else.

Now that this thread has been unstickied, and there’s been absolutely no dev response to months of repeated request for some sort of fix to the issue there’s really no reason to continue wanting to play. If any dev even mentioned in the slightest that something was in the works then I might feel like my time was justified and there’s a future in GW2 for me, but as it stands I’m not going to invest any more time in weeding through chat spam just to get a taste of end game if there’s no fix in sight.

Salvo

So not having a function to group for dungeons (an endgame function for all intents and purposes) is incredibly shortsighted to lack at 5 months since release.

Exactly. Beta didn’t test end game, and they’ve done jack to fix this since release. I quit the game in October after I hit 80 because end game is so bad. Organizing instances is a chore, and if you play on an odd schedule you miss out on a lot of WvW. I keep checking back on the forums everyone once in a while because I’d be willing to come back if they make changes to LFG.

Their lack of response is shocking, especially since they did respond well to many issues during the beta. The only thing they’ve done for LFG is sticky a post 3 months ago and allow players to comment/suggest/beg for changes with absolutely no dev response. It’s insulting. I wish I could get some money back for this incomplete garbage game. I wouldn’t have bought it if I knew they weren’t going to support it after it went live.

Please make a tool to help players organize groups for dungeons. This should be the first priority towards improving dungeons in GW2. Any other improvements are irrelevant if many are stuck trying to make groups and unable to enter.

Prism, please delete your whiny immature posts, my brain hurts from reading them. We’re not the ones crying, you are.

If weeding through spam chat in LFG is easy for you, and making groups “within an hour” is acceptable then just stfu and do that. Other people want a better solution, and it’s “on them” to keep pushing for a better solution if that’s what they want. Responsible devs do listen, Arenanet responded well during beta but not enough people reached the level to test dungeons and provide quality feedback during that time. I’m actually quite shocked at their lack of response to this issue post release.

Also, look into sPvP. You need groups for PvP instances too and there’s already a system in place to group people together, or join specific instances. We’re only asking for something similar for dungeons so we don’t have to spam in Lion’s Arch.

Azjenco.9425:

I like it how people will point at WoW’s dungeon finder and freak out. Some even go on to say that GW doesn’t need a LFG tool… Yet no one mentions that GW1 had a LFG tool, which worked perfectly. Go figure.

And GW2 has auto-grouping for pvp already. There’s really no excuse for arenanet to continue keeping a blind eye to the current state of the game regarding looking for groups. IMO they’re letting the game flop by not addressing issues like this. People will play to 80 and quit because after you hit 80 the game turns in to a chore. It’s just not fun to sit in town filtering through text.

Hals Warrior.9863:

Awesome idea!! I hope ANet see this one

Me too, I tried to put this in simple terms compared to the sPvP system that’s already in game, it shouldn’t be difficult to port it over to work for dungeons.

Gummy.4278:

But if they did do something like the OP wants, please take it outta LA…I do not want to see the load screen double because now it is searching for a overflow it can send me to.

I really don’t want them to add more and more stuff to LA just to make it convenient, all the while slowing anyone trying to get to LA down and also adding to the chat in LA about forming groups…

I think the amount of time you’d save getting into a group would make up for a load screen, guess it depends on your computer. Also it should cut down the lfg spam if people are talking within groups, or at least chat would be more productive. Until they come out with another expansion LA is going to be the main social hub of the game. I doubt they’d add a new area just to lfg in.

I guess another option would be having an extra menu screen to join instances, like joining WvW areas, that you can access from anywhere. A solution like this would be more limiting to make groups tho, unless they make it cross-server somehow.

Yea, I was thinking that too. Maybe those NPC’s could tap into the same system, but having one in LA would allow for groups to form on overflow instead of each individual server, making it faster to form groups.

Martin The Brave.8731:

Any post suggesting a more viable way to get into groups for dungeons gets a +1. I also like your solution to the problem.

Thx. I’m really surprised that they haven’t added something like this yet, especially since there’s already a system in place to join PvP instances, it would only be logical to do the same for dungeon instances.

Blueshield.6291:

I’m fairly certain that this would be considerably more effort than increasing the maximum stack size.

No, it wouldn’t. Game already keeps an agro list of everyone who’s done damage to the target, it would just have to count that list and multiply by 15.

It should probably be based on the type of mob it is tho, something like:
Normal = 15
Veteran/Elite = 30
Champion+ = 60

It’s very simple. This game needs a better way to join groups for dungeons compared to spending countless hours spamming in Lions Arch.

There is already a PvP Browser NPC located in Heart of the Mists that lets players open up a “Game Browser” which allows players to find a suitable PvP instance to join. This browser lets players see which map the instance is for and how many players are currently in the instance with the option to join a specific one or click “play now” to join any instance that’s not full.

Arenanet, could you please create an NPC in Lion’s Arch to do the same thing but for groups and dungeons, so that when someone tries to join a listed group it sends a join request to the selected group?

Only a few simple things would need to be added to the browser:

• A “Create New” button to allow a player’s group added to the list for a selected dungeon.
• A “Cancel/Remove” button for cases where the wrong instance is accidentally selected or a group decides to disband.
• To have the listings automatically disappear when a group becomes full, empty or when everyone in the group leaves Lions Arch.
• Error checking to make sure the players who want to join are eligible.
• Column filter changed to list instance names and saves setting for future searches.
• The “Play Now” button changed to randomly join any group that’s listed and the player is eligible for.

This game was designed with the intention of breaking the trinity, so a system like this should work if it is intended for any combination of classes to able to complete instances.

Segas.5346:

LFG Tool? Hope not…better add a new channel people can join if they like. One-button already exist in most MMORPG, most people play here since it’s different.

Have you ever clicked on this guy to join a pvp instance in GW2? News Flash! There’s already a “Game Browser” in GW2, it even has a “Play Now” option to automatically join a random group. So don’t fool yourself into thinking instance/dungeon finders only exist in other games and GW2 is different. They really just need to adapt that system so it works for dungeons too and not only pvp instances.

GlassShadow.1463:

I’m playing GW2 less and less because of this

I all but quit after I hit 80 a few months ago because of this, I keep looking back to see if they do anything about it. I genuinely enjoy the game, but I work weird hours and it’s currently just too frustrating and overly difficult to just make a quick group and go when I actually find some time to log in. GW2 was built around the concept of “everyone can play any class”, I’m surprised arenanet isn’t jumping on this with simple to sign up and go dungeons to show off how their system works. It’s sad/pathetic that there is still nothing in the works. Anet is usually better at fixing this kind of stuff.

ThePedroKid.2580:

IMHO, LA should ALWAYS be an overflow zone where people from all servers come together. Just sayin’…

And there should be a NPC in LA that lets you join dungeon instances the same way individuals can join pvp instances.

Having to alt-tab out of the game isn’t a legit working alternative. If legit 3rd party add-ons were an option and it was something you could do while still in game without having to constantly alt-tab while looking at a web page I’d agree. In that regard this tool is really no more efficient than waiting and looking for shouts in LA, with the added burden of having to alt-tab.

Are you really trying to compare joining a group in-game to afk auto-farming? are you that dense?

They already have a tool in game for individuals to auto-join pvp instances, it should be made for dungeon instances as well.

As for all the other games you mentioned, try GW1, it was built in, as this should be.

The thing that upsets me the most is, there’s already a group finder type tool in game to join pvp arenas. Why won’t arenanet just adapt this towards dungeons? If they did and you have a couple friends and not a full group then one of you could start one and tell the others to join the group number you started. Then everyone else would see group #053 is 3/5 full and join until the group is full. It would be so much faster and less of a hassle.

I hate how people are completely blind to this and act like auto-grouping isn’t already available in-game, and as such believe there shouldn’t be any sort of grouping tool. IT’S ALREADY IN THE GAME! Right now you can go to pvp arena and auto-join. PvP arena is just another type of instance, there’s really no excuse to not apply the same function towards dungeons. They would just have to make a sign-up npc somewhere (LA?) that lets you pick which dungeon you want to start a group for, and then make it look exactly the same as joining pvp arena, where you can see which instance the group is currently in and how many people are in the group. It shouldn’t be that hard or take very long for Arenanet to implement this.

In short GW2 makes me feel like I’m doing it, the game isn’t doing it for me since if it does it makes me think “It’s bad enough I’m sitting here playing a MMO but it’s playing it for me”.

For most people it’s: “It’s bad enough I’m sitting here playing an MMO, but my character in the MMO is also just sitting in town”

I’d like to be more active. I never played wow, so idk what you’re getting at, but I imagine that being in instance that’s challenging enough will force people to interact, at least a certain level, and that’s a whole lot more social than cyphering through lfg chat while sitting in town.

Auto-groupers are good for lazy people, but having more control can simply create a more enjoyable experience for everyone

I understand where you’re coming from, but this game was designed to allow any profession combination to enter a dungeon and go. While I know that only works in theory in some dungeons, it should force arenanet to consider this better when designing dungeons. It makes complete sense to allow anyone interested in running instances to auto-group and go. I mean <en>it already does this in pvp arena</en>.

Also, a lot of people don’t have the time to sit in town and wait for a group. I personally work full time and go to college half time so I only get a few hours here and there to play games. If I’m forced to spend all of that time cyphering through lfg chat when I choose to play GW2 then I’m to get frustrated, log out, and play another game.

This is dumb, I stopped playing nearly 2 months ago, shortly after obtaining lvl 80 and full exotic gear, because it was impossible to build decent groups to do dungeons, pvp or wvw. I don’t want to stand in town shouting for a group over other people, that’s not fun. After taking part in the betas and seeing how much effort arenanet put in to optimizing the game and making it fun; I’m really surprised they’ve completely overlooked players wanting to find groups outside of their guild, or casual players who don’t have all day to sit in town.

It’s not acceptable to force players who are looking for an lfg option to rely on 3rd party sites for a solution. Regardless of how well other site work, this option should available in-game. Even if they made queuing for a dungeon similar to joining pvp, where you could “fast join” to automatically get grouped with others, it would relieve a lot of the sitting in town bored trying to filter through chat spam.

For incomplete groups, who currently end up sitting on their hands in town filtering through chat, having a function similar to Aion, where you could queue with a partial group and get random LFGers to fill it, would be great.

Obviously some people would want to have specific classes and builds for specific roles to run speed clear or to be the most efficient, it would be nice to see a more complex system that allows you to check everyone’s level/gear/build to make sure you’re adding the right people, obviously that would take longer to implement but it would benefit the end game a lot.

The top two options don’t seem difficult to implement, especially since the pvp random group function already exist in game, and the 2nd option is similar to joining a current pvp. There’s really no excuse to not implement something similar for dungeons.

If something isn’t done I’m going to lose all interest in wanting to come back and play.

This is dumb, I stopped playing nearly 2 months ago, shortly after obtaining lvl 80 and full exotic gear, because it was impossible to build decent groups to do dungeons, pvp or wvw. I don’t want to stand in town shouting for a group over other people, that’s not fun. After taking part in the betas and seeing how much effort arenanet put in to optimizing the game and making it fun; I’m really surprised they’ve completely overlooked players wanting to find groups outside of their guild, or casual players who don’t have all day to sit in town.

It’s not acceptable to force players who are looking for an lfg option to rely on 3rd party sites for a solution. Regardless of how well other site work, this option should available in-game. Even if they made queuing for a dungeon similar to joining pvp, where you could “fast join” to automatically get grouped with others, it would relieve a lot of the sitting in town bored trying to filter through chat spam.

For incomplete groups, who currently end up sitting on their hands in town filtering through chat, having a function similar to Aion, where you could queue with a partial group and get random LFGers to fill it, would be great.

Obviously some people would want to have specific classes and builds for specific roles to run speed clear or to be the most efficient, it would be nice to see a more complex system that allows you to check everyone’s level/gear/build to make sure you’re adding the right people, obviously that would take longer to implement but it would benefit the end game a lot.

The top two options don’t seem difficult to implement, especially since the pvp random group function already exist in game, and the 2nd option is similar to joining a current pvp. There’s really no excuse to not implement something similar for dungeons.

If something isn’t done I’m going to lose all interest in wanting to come back and play.

lol same gear and class as Xilla above.

if you can get them in front of you in a choke the mobs will hit the clones, but even if the mobs don’t hit the clones they’re far from useless. They can increase the health you gain when you heal, and make you move faster, and increase your dmg, depending on how you spec your traits. and you can always blow them up.

Cry Of Paine
Lvl 80 Sylvari Mesmer
Full Khilbron

you really need to be 80 and have all your trait points/gear b4 you even analyze if mesmer does enough dmg, lower levels are just that, undeveloped not full potential. You can’t even get a full glimpse of mesmer as a lower level playing in WvW capped at 80 because you won’t have traits or gear.

As a lvl 80 mesmer with all exotic gear I find myself doing a lot of dmg with the right build, and I also have very high survivability with another build. It really depends on how you want to play it, and doesn’t matter at all what you think about it at lower levels.

Mantra’s are slow and their dmg doesn’t even compare to other builds.

best: most phantoms, arcane thievery, mirror images

worst: 1h sword is pretty much useless, mantras