just delete that freakin ebola rune once and for all…it carries way to much (Expec those eles that are a joke already) and prevents ANY form of coordinated dps spike no matter how good it is
If ANet nerf the ele like the last time, I will need to play it!
Why?
In the past patch where they tried to nerf it making it chose between evasive arcane and the attunement that give boons, they cried so much that devs makes one of them not only aviable in another tier of the traitline, they made it a Minor Trait always aviable when you chose the arcane traitline!
That’s a nerf guys, that’s a nerf!
And they nerfed the damage ability of the eles giving them the fire traitline that only give them the chance to stack insanely burn, obtain a insane amount of might, blind every 5 seconds, obtain fire auras, increase the damage with +150 power in a minor trait and 10 + 10% of damage on a burned enemy and when attuned on fire. or theu can chose to obtain a neverending firefield that inflict a insane amount of burn and fury every time they blast it.
oh, yeah, that’s a nerf!!!
Guys, i really want another nerf like that! Please, ANet, nerf the ele! Please!!!
This is more of a reminder for the devs and partly for the community at least for those with some consideration, to both parties I’ll link this old video for you to watch. What you will see has not changed much
i usually kill burn guards without condi removal (No insp) on carrion pu condi cancer mesmer…just saying, if you can dodge and wait for guard to blow contemplation and condispike him right after he’s basically done
Devils Advocate time,
If that rune were to be removed on the grounds that it’s broken or OP…
Should other runes be removed for similar arguments?
If so, where do you draw the line? Where do you blame the class or the synergy of the class with the rune?
It’s very easy to remove something, it’s very hard to prevent a snowball effect.
Vampirism is on a completely different level – other runes usually give a couple of boons, boon duration, minor effects (like radiation field), or passive effects (+5% dmg, -20% condi duration). Some of these are powerful, but not gamebreaking.
Then you have a rune which essentially passively saves you from a coordinated burst, or carries you if you seriously misplay.
Some professions have similar GM traits, like Defy Pain for warrior – but those professions were designed with that in mind (not a good design, but it was taken to consideration), and even those GM traits aren’t this powerful. Giving immunity away so freely is horrible, power specs barely need to make any sacrifices for it.
How do you compare +20% might duration or +5% damage to multiple seconds of godmode which often saves you from lethal damage and allows you to overcommit to stomps or resses because the channeling won’t even get interrupted?
When there is a single rune which is capable of carrying a player just by being equipeed, there are problems.
nightmare runes say hi
Are you implying that 1 second of single target fear that can be triggered by pets and clones or negated by stability or condi immunity is OP or something?
it basically almost always negates first burst from thieves since they don’t have stab or condi immunity on engage
passive procs are overall bad for the game anyway…all of them, vamp are just worse cause they can carry all those already broken dd eles (Along with pretty much all dps specs…but unlike eles thieves and mesmers are not bunkers at least and they eventually gonna die and can’t just refull and come back in 3 secs like dd) but other passives are not dat better too
the more passive crap the less personal skill involved
Devils Advocate time,
If that rune were to be removed on the grounds that it’s broken or OP…
Should other runes be removed for similar arguments?
If so, where do you draw the line? Where do you blame the class or the synergy of the class with the rune?
It’s very easy to remove something, it’s very hard to prevent a snowball effect.
Vampirism is on a completely different level – other runes usually give a couple of boons, boon duration, minor effects (like radiation field), or passive effects (+5% dmg, -20% condi duration). Some of these are powerful, but not gamebreaking.
Then you have a rune which essentially passively saves you from a coordinated burst, or carries you if you seriously misplay.
Some professions have similar GM traits, like Defy Pain for warrior – but those professions were designed with that in mind (not a good design, but it was taken to consideration), and even those GM traits aren’t this powerful. Giving immunity away so freely is horrible, power specs barely need to make any sacrifices for it.
How do you compare +20% might duration or +5% damage to multiple seconds of godmode which often saves you from lethal damage and allows you to overcommit to stomps or resses because the channeling won’t even get interrupted?
When there is a single rune which is capable of carrying a player just by being equipeed, there are problems.
So, I can’t go into much detail on things quite yet, but I just wanted to reassure you folks that we’re actively discussing a number of issues that are affecting balance in PvP – including, but not limited to elementalist sustain/damage. Per the usual, we’ll be talking to you folks about the changes once we’ve finalized them.
Sorry I haven’t been that active on the forums lately – we’ve been pretty busy around the office.
“Thanks, Grouch. You’re the worst!”
Edit: Also, just because this is an elementalist thread doesn’t mean we’re only looking at elementalist, and it also doesn’t mean we’re only looking at doing nerfs.
1. Nerf something that impacts a majority of classes and hope that it hurts ele as well.
I’d vote for this….and may i just end your sentence for you?
1. Nerf something that impacts a majority of classes and hope that it hurts ele as well not considering than nerfing base mechanincs won’t bring broken dd spec in line since if they nerf everyone eles are still gonna sit on top
when you enter a match and look at the other team only to see 2+ eles vs your 0-1 ele, every match i have like this requires extreme effort and communication vs no communication to win a close game or just flat out lose.
Your title… this is why game suck as often as they do…
Yes, there is an issue with eles… Yes, there is an issue with class stacked teams… But don’t take it out on your teams by refusing to do anything. You just end up being the problem, and in my opinion a larger problem then eles them selves. At least if you fight, you give your team a chance to win.
The issue is more the refusal of ANET to do their job and actually balance broken items in game. Until they start balancing, this type of thread and in game activity will happen more frequently.
Then those people should just stop playing. And dont blame a person being a poor sport on Anet.
Doesn’t change the fact that ANET is largely at fault here. The balance team is a disgrace. It has taken them over 2 months to fix items that were clearly broken. Embarrassing.
we need esl devs to balance gw2 ingame pvp
not even joking…they actually understand this game way better than devs themselves
I don’t agree. Mesmer is very squishy and most if not all classes have strong condi cleanse available.
As to “Casual Friendly,” may I point out that ANET just made GW2 f2p? Casuals make the game go ’round.
I’m not a casual player. Mesmer is a class you play despite it’s limitations. Yes, the works of Anton Mesmer are on my bookshelf in the current reading section… Yes, I do play both GW1 and GW2.
i was talking about ele not going to die ofc….maybe braindamaged condi mesmers can kill eles on the long run tho but thank god we won’t see them in high tier tournaments
noone will ever run any other comp with more than 2 of the same class that are not eles, it’s not like there are other classes that can do everything and win any 1v1
On a side note…are you seriusly defending teams stacking more than 2 eles/even worse defending celestial eles themself or just trolling?
This behavior is working as intended. This could of course change in the future, but for now this is not classified as a bug.
then what about changing the tooltip then?
What did you have in mind?
Place a battle standard that revives fallen allies and grants fury, might, and swiftness to allies. Your revival mileage will vary, depending on conditions, incoming damage, death penalty, and other mechanics. Past health is no guarantee of future revivals.
Something like Place a battle standard that grants fury, might, and swiftness to allies and heals downed allies for 100% of their downed hp (This way sounds obvious than with poison healing reduction it won’t heal them enough to refull and res)
when you enter a match and look at the other team only to see 2+ eles vs your 0-1 ele, every match i have like this requires extreme effort and communication vs no communication to win a close game or just flat out lose.
i am really confused by the devs choice to leave ele in the state it is in,
1. its not fun to fight against it
2. the person playing the ele spec is hardly awake and you can even see them going 1 2 3 4 switch 1 2 3 switch 1 2 3 switch rotate like i saw on yt dhuuurrrr…..
3.nothing counters it.. they have it all, by the time a cele necro gets anywhere they are in a 2v1 even if a team mate shows up its gg because 10 second ring of fire fire fire burning everywhere gg to your team mate.
you nerfed everything else that was obviously over the top so why is ele so special its making me hate the game, even thief with head shot spam is less annoying!!
you saw how strong it was in competition and even changed the rules after it (bit obvious why)
funny thing is that they nerfed the only 2 specs that could actually put up a good fight vs celestial dd (Shoutbow and Celestial Engi) lol
Anet didn’t change rules…ESL did cause they’re trying to balance what anet can’t bring in line
The day after the patch I made a thread saying how OP ele was. Funny it took the rest of you so long to realise this.
Henry i guess that “For you” you mean anet…everyone already knew eles were going to be broken as soon as ppl looked at celestial amulet’s new stats, i remember we were reading patch notes while on ts and an ele main friend just said “Oh yeah eles running this kitten are gonna be godmode”
As a note, we’re aware of the odd interaction between elementalist downstate and Vampirism runes and are tracking a fix for an upcoming build.
What about the Overpowered interaction of stack 4 eles?
I believe 4 class stacking is against ESL rules. As for the elementalist itself, we’re looking into it.
With proper balance no comp should be viable on any level if stacking 4 ppl running same exact spec…not even same class….let alone actually being able to win an ESL with dat
But now after 1 year you’re finally looking into celestial eles…well still better than nothing i guess…
Looking forward to next step such as banning certain builds or even classes.
Because reasons.
Enjoyable~ xD
Reasons are quite obvious since everyone from hj to wts knows that celestial eles are too much ez mode to allow them stacking so much
I wouldn’t even allow two of them considering how gamebreaking they are but then some teams (Like everyone) is probably gonna rage way too much bout this…so they still had to allow double dd comps in…
Timing your condi remove is too hard for you. I get it.
Pls teach me how to time condi remove against a skill with zero cooldown and miserable ini cost, oh wise one.
You know when your Banner will hit the ground and attempt to rez right? Since your shouts have no cast time (vs applying poison does), you can instantly press your shout to remove the poison right before your banner lands. And since you know exactly when your banner will land, I guarantee your timing of the instant cleanse is far better than the random poison spam.
Consider that if someone in teamfight is downed that means i’m obviously already out of cds…otherwise he wouldn’t be dead maybe, anyway people with half brain are pretty used to already have stability up when someone on other team goes down so fear is not gonna work 90% of the times, being able to interrupt cleave and stomps with just a “fear me” will never happen vs any half decent team
I just don’t understand why this took two months to realize and communicate, not to mention probably another month at least to implement.
they need to do smaller tweaks to balance more often…not these large patches that break everything.
2 months? …celestial eles had been broken since 1 year ago roflmao and they even buffed them after nerfing the other 2 top tier celestial specs (Shout and celestial engi)
We have 3 top tier celestial specs…let’s nerf 2 of them and buff the last one making it totally broken and able to faceroll everything else
I was here just to remember the last “nerf” to Ele: when ANet changed all the trait system.
That give them a Fire traitline that give them passively 150 power+10%damage basicly plus another 10% and a insane amount of might and/or burn and a fireaura+damage when they Dodge.
What a nerf!!
Icebow? “fixed-nerfed” by making all the skills 1-2-3-5 deal more damage, making players “not only using the (OP) skill 4 but also able to use all the other skills instead of that (kitten OP) skill”.
That’s a nerf, guys!
But There Was a Nerf. A Really One, that was able to tone down in the right way the elementalist:
Force them to chose between Elemental Attunement and Evasive Arcana, making them unable to stay Overbuffed all the time.
Finally a nerf that made elementalists killable!
BUT that fix last for more or less… 1 day? Probably lesser.
Because the cry of the eles hurts the ears of Developers (but we love you, Devs!), making them chose to still make elementalists able to use them both, but not only making them chose between ElAt and EvAr in different Tiers (why everyone know that that 2 traits work very good for the ele, making it Powerfull still with only one of them), they do that “nerf” making Elemental Attunement a Minor Tier Trait!!!!!
That’s a Nerf, guys, that’s a real **** Nerf!!!
If they want to nerf the Eles another time I think that is’t time for me to make one!
remove RoF. make em bleed like a turret engi’s thumper turret.
just remove fire fields and it should be fine
eh, im fine with them mightstacking in another person’s field or taking focus for a fire field. but d/d with that many finishers and RoF is just too much solo might generation.
finishers will be fine once they removed fields…they will still be able to stack might but not while 1v1ing
removing finishers instead would hurt eles even more, fire fields to blast are pretty common in teamfight and they should have a way to use them i guess (Even if i would like to see ez mode dd eles finally out of pvp forever it won’t be fair in the grand scheme of things)
If they fix grenade barrage they should also fix warrior rampage, mesmer stealth instagibs, guard burn bombs, etc.
Atm that bug is the only thing zerk engi has aside from a slow to set up elixir build.
It is one skill, every 30 seconds.
It has a cast time, it can be blocked, it can be dodged.
If it misses the engi melts.
If they take away 100nades, but fail to adress the other overpowered damage specs engi will drop out of pvp. Traits are already all over the place, and builds that normally would have been viable in the previous meta won’t cut it now.
Fights no longer take 1 minute.
They take mere seconds.
barrage is the only thing engi has to compete in this burst meta.
I am not saying it isnt bugged, it is obvious that it is.
But it’s the only thing they have to match the instant burstpower of other classes.
too bad the only bugged one is barrage others are just working as intended
Pve heroes wouldn’t last a second in ha or gvg modes, pretty much like in gw1, those were made for good competitive teams, random nabs were just dead meat with no chances to go somewhere…so you already have your answer.
8868 views and still nothing? Every single time freakin skyhammer full of rtrd engis not even on tque ladder just abusing your broken map. Again…FIX YOUR kitten ANET, REMOVE THIS CRAP ALREADY. If you still claiming this map is fine you’re just getting more and more ridiculous since thinking this kitten is fine definately proves that you know kitten bout your own game. Stop looking stupid and fix your mistakes. Noone, outside a bunch of bads who can only do something abusing this ofc, wants this in rated tournaments…i’ve seen chinese mmos giving more kitten to player’s feedback than this.
Btw i just started doing something different from just going afk. I just play normally if my team has no engis, if my team has one or more engi i just ask for their build and if they’re cc spam for sh i just go afk. Their choice running something else playing fair or loosing 4v5. I invite all of you to do the same…just try to force them to play something that requires a bit more than 1kb and 1 immobilize or 1 pull, wanna go cheese? Then you go 4v5…np for me i don’t give a single kitten to soloq anyway i actually found teamates supporting me and going afk too just to make cheap nab engis lose…this is a team game, in soloq i can’t chose my mates but i can still chose to not support those who just abuse anet’s MISTAKES…always hoping to get them in tque too with no skyhammer just to roflstomp them all day long.
I run sort of a hybrid condition build I made myself, but I’m looking for something that can hit very hard and deal with most threats. I use staff and sceptor/pistol with 0/5/3/3/3 traits
I know this one particular condition mesmer that is one of the best pvp players I’ve seen yet, when he defends a point, he was easily dancing around 3v1 with his mesmer no problem. He looks more competitively into builds and Ikinda wanna do the same, any advice on a good build?
This was what I loved about guildswars 1. I was hoping they’ll have make it possible in guildwars 2 by now. Beating other teams and reaching the summit for the reward and holding it was so fun.
Too many of you nerds never played sports competitively so you have no clue what makes some people click in a competitive environment. If someone walked up to you in rl and knocked you on your butt you wouldn’t know how to react to it. Probably beg for mercy I’m thinking. A competitive person would pick themselves up and proceed to kick some butt. In a perfect world non-competitive people wouldn’t compete in things that are meant to be competitive. You just end up ruining for it there people that want to win when its a team environment. This game does a horrible job of setting a clear line of what should be really competitve and what should be casual do whatever the heck you want.
^ problem is that in rl competitions for personal experience you can luckily still send ppl home if they’re ruining your team, here you just get them over and over again and can’t really do kitten about it..you can’t even tell them how much they suck cause “qq anet mommy toxic community stuff…”
Wanna ply for fun? Stick to hj where noone cares bout winning….if you go into rated tournaments you MUST play for win otherwise you’re just ruining other ppl’s matches..
Is there someone farming rank even if it takes like only 4 moths to get max now? Are you freakin kiddin me?
took me 2 and a half haha
Yeah i was talking about average pve hero going tournament and losing a lot, i actually have to just go tpvp with no hj and stuff just to keep low rank on second account (Already kittening 30+ -.-) in order to troll all those 55+ (Ehmm 80…) thinking to be gods just because anet gave them all those ranks for free on 15th april…r80 thieves not able to kill a r30 shatter mesmer and then complaining about some sort of hack is pretty hilarious…
