Dont know if anyone else is starting to get burned out….im burning out….
I have about over 600 sPvP wins and 193 tournament wins and im starting to get bored!
dont get me wrong I freaking love GW2 to death. Its the best MMO hands down in history of mmo and its freaking awesome pvp but im starting to get burned out. Please arena net lets get some stuff released. I know you want to give it to us perfect but I really dont want to stop playing this game.
Every mmo i ever stopped playing I never went back to so im trying my best to hang in there. Anyone else in the same boat?
Seems we are getting a lot of attention? or maybe not. Though, what we do have is another Thief discussion forum outside of this one in the sPVP forum so that people bash qq and talk about thieves.
So how do you guys feel about having the limelight on your main (if its your main) avatar? Do you expect another round of nerfs. We have been nerfed quit a bit these last few patches while other classes (warrior, guardian, mesmer) have been getting buffs.
Isn kitten a little absurd you grind for dozens of hours and you are not even guaranteed access to an armor skin you want? Well in my opinion it is. I perfectly understand RNG is there to maintain rarity but when players spend tens of thousands of glory and get close to zero crystals and slivers isn’t that simply ridiculous? Broken drop-chances, needs to be fixed.
lol I thought people will complain that there isnt enough armor and that they get the same armors over and over…
I guess we must wait until people are 20+ and take like a zillion games before they reach the next tier.
The fact that the person who moderates this forum made a sticky to bash thieves instead of knowing that there is already a thief discussion forum tells me they are going to nerf thief. I hope they nerf warriors and mesmers while they are at it.
Anet does not have the luxury of over a year open beta to balance players skill vs the actual champs.
They also dont have the luxury of a gamestyle that basically is a copy/paste of a game released over 5years ago.
If you have any idea you would know that although the classes are very balanced they have to go to rebalancing just to appease players who have no idea how to use them or counter against others.
People qq about the most idiotic stuff that can be learned to counter against. Anet cannot start esports until players figure out how to play the game they made on an esport level.
They arent copy pasting dota 1 into dota 2 and calling it a day. This whole thread doesnt make any sense at all.
Pistol Whip does an incredible amount of damage. When hastened, they blow up players within 2 seconds, which is simply not enough time to react in a match. Given how frequently thieves can get their haste (every 30?ish seconds), it’s imbalaced in hot-join pvp.
This needs to be appropriately adjusted.
I think the developers need to look at why is it some players can somehow dodge pistol whip and some others cant seem to get it through their heads to avoid it.
I dont even use haste anymore unless Im trying to steal svanir or chief during tournaments. Its too risky to use in fights because I could lose all my endurance and still end up not killing the person I was trying to kill.
Though in random browser matches when I was a newer player I found it very fun to pistol whip spam noobs with haste. Though now I have found the same noobs I can spam with haste I can spam without haste because every time I pistol whip I know they will let me do it again and again.
pistol whip is a counter. Its not even a decent stun its a good interrupt followed by a flurry of attacks that mimic the auto attack combo.
The problem with new people is when they get hit their first reaction is to hit back or cast.
In rock paper scissors if someone is spamming rock why would you keep spamming scissors I don’t know. Maybe because you think he wont do it again???
chill out and wait they will have it ready. Would you rather they not release the game until all esport features were in? That would not only be dumb but make no difference in the end anyway.
well be inventive then and organize your roamers to stop the treb being rebuilt, your scout can shout it and even come to help aswell, depending on team and situation your in at the time it may be no problem to spare two people to destroy the mesmer.
even better get an engineer to blow him off the edge of the treb’s edge, not even any need to kill him then.
while i think the mesmers portal is great for gameplay and strategic moves i can understand the frustration behind it and being a mesmer myself i would hate to have this utility taken away or changed but i would not be against it either as i would understand.
Thats another one of my points. In the end its NOT FUN. I dont think any mesmer/player will cry if they make the ability to use any utility while holding the treb kit. Why not make it so that if its dropped it takes a longer time for it to disappear and make it so you cant use utilities while holding it. Any decent player can still run it to the treb without a problem.
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Guess that’s for the best then, Ker.
I hope your arrogance will bring you far!
Edit: Woah, it’s back! I’ll get to writing.
Shala – if a target is even the slightest aware, he won’t be hit.
There isn’t any skill behind the trebuchet, no-one ever suggested that.
The trebuchet relies on the mistakes of the enemy team.
If there’s no mistakes on the enemy team, it’s a wasted effort.
Im not going to continue to argue with you on this until i see your tourney stats because for all i know your just trying to be annoying.
The only constructive thing anyone has said so far this whole post against the mesmer teleport is putting shadow trap next to the treb. I tried that a few matches and it helped once or twice. Other times it was random and i ended up fighting a mesmer while I was on cooldowns or low hp from a fight that I got teleported away from. needless to say I either died or had to escape the fight.
“as if you’re any good” ……… i did not tell you to watch MY stream. PLEASE
and throw me one of those mesmers too who can move on the map as fast as the cannon ball with treb. I havent managed to do that even with the portal spell.
edit: Also doing 8-10k dmg on 1 hit is totally different story than doing 10k damage _during _10seconds". Even an amateur pvper should know this.
Oh and treb does not have any RNG factor! No matter how hard the wind blows, the treb will always hit the spot you made it shoot. If you miss with it, l2p.
dont forget the knockback/knockdown cc every 7-10seconds as well. As for missing? I very very rarely miss with the treb. Its the same distance to each objective point and you memorize it. Im not sure who you play with or how skilled you personally are but hitting a target with the treb is very very easy.
Im sitting at 104 tournaments won. Mostly solo pug some premade when somebody invites me. Though I have yet been foolish enough to say a mesmer = treb let alone > treb when it comes to damage or aiding in attacking/defending a point.
Maybe you haven’t reached Kyloh enough times to fight a team that constantly hits you with a treb.
Either way I probably have played everyone on this forum in a tournament at one point or another and I can tell you, from experience, that its a very great imbalance that few people realize because very few make it to 1st or 2nd place in tournaments.
…and no there is no class that can AOE 8-10k dmg every 7-10 seconds.
Good thing the Area of Effect is fairly small then.
And are you seriously telling me you can’t find a class that can do 8k damage AoE in 10 seconds?
Its the largest AOE in the game what are you even talking about. There is no class that does 8-10k AOE damage every 10 seconds consistantly or even more than 3 times.
I would like to see a screenshot of how many tournaments you have won
ok so your telling me 2v2 trying to grab a point….lets say clock tower. Your saying that if one team has a treb hitting the clock tower the other team even stands a chance?
Are you being serious or are you just trying to be funny? Even if it was 2v3 the 2-man will easily mess up the 3 if there is a treb hitting them. God forbid its a guardian assaulting the point with a treb helping him.
…and no there is no class that can AOE 8-10k dmg every 7-10 seconds.
I have 4 people running around with me in the field.
They have 4 people total running around in the field, and a single person on a trebuchet that takes 10 seconds to fire and hit, is alarmed with a soldier yelling “INCOMING. THEY’RE FIRING AT OUR POSITION. TREBUCHEEEEET!”, and the damage isn’t really anything that the person in the Treb couldn’t do on his own.
The difference is, Trebuchet attacks are predictable, can very easily miss at far distances, are voiced and are easy to spot. And it can be dodged, hell, you can move out of the way by walking if you so desire.
The team also suddenly lacks 20% of their entire team, when they find out the trebuchet can’t capture points. The guy sitting at the trebuchet could, however, capture the points, and he could do it way more effectively than a silly trebuchet.
Im very interested to see how many tournaments you have won. Not trying to say your not a good player. Just your tactics dont make any sense at all
If your jumping around dodging a treb then your not staying on the point or dodging the attacks from the guy hitting you. which means your point is going to go neutral or capped. Which also means your going to take a hell of a lot longer to cap a point.
We arent talking noob 8v8 browser matches where kills actually can win a game. We are talking about 5v5 where the objective wins the game not the kills.
If I sit on a point and do nothing but kit you around it and use my downed skills it will take you almost 15-20 seconds to kill me. This is WITHOUT you trying to dodge a treb. It will also take me less than 20 seconds on average to get back to that point after death. So even if you kill me ill still be on top on points because I kept the point held long enough and can come right back and take it again.
—Those who see the obvious imbalance and advantage to one class
—Those that know its an advantage haven’t reached 2nd place in tournaments enough to know how bad it is
—Those who don’t care how bad it is because they are either Mesmer or have a mesmer premade when they do tournaments.
To be honest im actually getting sick of this game now anyway. It seems either the developers dont care or they are waiting for more people to complain about it before they react.
They are very reactive instead of proactive when dealing with situations.
“If there is an exploit or unfair tactic not many people know about…then leave it under the rug and don’t fix it right?”
Im sure as more people play at higher levels and notice how bad it is they will eventually get to it but im just too tired to care anymore. Im either going to roll a mesmer for tourneys or quit anyway.
You’re forgetting the 4th type of person.
The ones who ignore the trebuchet and win the game because the enemy team got a mesmer for the sole purpose of repairing the treb.
Ok so you have 3 people on each point a floater and a treb hitting any point every 10seconds for a two hit kill. You cannot ignore this.
—Those who see the obvious imbalance and advantage to one class.
—Those that know its an advantage to one class though haven’t reached 2nd place in tournaments enough to know how bad it is.
—Those who don’t care how unbalanced it is because they are either use Mesmer or have a mesmer premade when they do tournaments anyway.
To be honest im actually getting sick of this game now anyway. It seems either the developers dont care or they are waiting for more people to complain about it before they react.
They are very reactive instead of proactive when dealing with situations.
“If there is an exploit or unfair tactic not many people know about…then leave it under the rug and don’t fix it right?”
Im sure as more people play at higher levels and notice how bad it is they will eventually get to it but im just too tired to care anymore. Im either going to roll a mesmer for tourneys or quit anyway.
Yes, it is closed off from the rest of the game. They did this so sPvP could as balanced as possible, in every aspect.
It is closed off from the rest of the game though having to do that to make it as “balanced as possible” is a bad excuse to not integrate pvp with the pve in general.
I’m sure there are things that arenanet could implement that cross over that don’t give advantages to either side. Things that cross over from pve to spvp.
Other classes can use any utility skill at their disposal while holding the repair kit. The portal ability is rarely used any other time. It has one strategic use, guess we better nerf it into uselessness.
I’am really interested if the devs feel this is intended or not.
If you’re destroying the treb and mesmer portals early to get repair kit? Dont break it make him waste his portal.
He ran away from it and is running for kit (applies to everyone not just mesmers) leave the treb at 1 hp and kill it with retaliation.
Staff Eles also are great for destroying trebs due to them being able to be tanky while aoeing the treb.
Trebs dont destroy on retaliation. They patched that awhile ago. Also it doesnt excuse the fact that you have to waist time taking a treb to 1% and then do what stand next to it? he can still go back on it and attacking.
In the end its an unfair advantage with a handicap given by a siege weapon.
Is it really that hard to add a line of code that makes the repair kit drop if a mesmer teleports?
Is it going to hurt the game in anyway to make the repair kit drop if a mesmer teleports?
Would it make the game more or less fun? would it make the game more or less balanced?
The mesmer has to have portal on his skillbar to do this. Both teams can bring a mesmer.
A bigger problem in spvp is one team doing 99% of the damage to a svanir and then any class can run up and steal the kill taking the rewards from the other teams efforts.
It would be like giving the ability to steal flags from flag runners in gw1. And then steal it when he’s about to cap it not even having a flag runner on your team. Not a very good example but I think you get the point. One team doesn’t even need a flag runner while the other team took the time to run it and just got the flag stolen right before he capped it, taking credit for his run and credit for the characters dedication to flag running.
So your saying its an obvious advantage and in order to be competitive you HAVE to have a mesmer on your team in Kyhlo? So the treb in Kyhlo was specifically made for a mesmer to sit on for a whole match on both teams teleporting for the repair kit huh?
I would really like to hear a devs take on this. Im about to say kitten this game and play something else.
It takes one individual to ambush the Trebuchet. The Ambush does not even have to be successful so long as the Trebuchet isn’t being fired. The ability to quickly repair the Trebuchet is irrelevant if you’re constantly stuck defending it/yourself on the point.
That said, I don’t care if they change it. Repairing the Trebuchet with portal is just a convenience, like being able to sprint. It doesn’t create a win or a loss on its own.
That is not an option being that the treb is closer to their spawn point then yours. Its an obvious advantage.
Your making it seem as if the treb was an equal distance to your spawn point as it is to thiers like the objective points. This is not so…
The game has the treb next to the spawn points, have a high amount of hp, and place the repair kit on the other side of the map for a reason.
Teleporting and repairing it faster than it can be destroyed is game breaking and you know it.
Honestly, why? If you get destroyed by a certain class you’ve never played why do you rush to the forums and complain about it?
There are imbalance issues, but to complain about them without knowing first hand the hows and whys?
Its the same in LoL, people complaining about certain champs being op and never having played them, then playing them and changing arguments to “OP in the right hands”. That’s why at different ELOs different champs get banned.
This is why Arenanet needs to ad an elo system to every sPvP player. Then add a separate hidden elo for browser matches. Make it so people cant quit in browser matches. Make the matches longer.
With longer more competitive matches the game would overall be more fun. Right now you log in spam 6-7 quick matches that dont mean anything (people leaving auto balance throwing people around). It makes each game lose its value.
Put a high value on winning. Make matches longer. Have a rating system to make it competitive.
League of Legends does this formula and it works very well. If people want to stop matching up they /surrender not leave the game.
it sounds very opposite of what they are trying to accomplish. I can quote you several interviews and blog posts where they said having specific classes wont be mandatory and that their focus is on making the game fun.
I’m surprised this has not been fixed since it seems to be an obvious exploit of game mechanics. In battle for Kyhlo mesmers can teleport while holding the repair kit.
This means they can repair the treb in a fraction of the time it takes for someone to destroy it even when it is unguarded. They don’t even have to guard the treb.
They see people coming they start heading for the repair kit.
Once its destroyed they repair it 5seconds later.
Please tell me arena net will Hotfix this within the next 24hrs? Are you guys serious about fixing bad PvP tournament mechanics or is that something that will be fixed in the back of the line while people continue to win using them?
I dont have a 90% tournament win but I’am coming up on 200 tournament wins and the majority of them are solo que. The reason I win a lot is because I communicate with them asm uch as i can. Tell them some basic stuff like revive before kills. Tell people where to go off the break. Its frustrating at times and very hard work but it does work.
It doesnt matter the class that your with as long as people know how to use them plain and simple.
The thing that urks me the most is people are complaining about the same things I complained bout before I put in another 100-150hrs of pvp. The only difference between me and them is I didn’t go to a forum and start qq about it.
I hope the developers are very good at filtering garbage posts like this one and just tell people L2P
The ONLY thing Arenanet has done wrong is not take the time to teach new players how to play. You litteraly have to hold peoples hands these days and teach them how to play. even Gamespot said the reason they gave GW2 a 9.0 instead of a perfect 10 is because they did a mediocre job of explaining things.
League of Legends is the highest played online game because they have Champion spotlights, recommended builds, and tutorials. Arenanet HAS TO TEACH PEOPLE how to play otherwise they will get noob posts like this one all day long.
You do realize that rank only tells how hard you have been farming, right? And one of the best ways of doing it is running 5x thiefs and zerging everything that moves.
What comes to tournament wins, just play with premades and that only guarantees you more than 70% winrate.
but does he even have 20 tournament wins? is he even over rank 20?
I have played games with pugs and won against premades who try to do all mesmers, all warriors, and all thieves. It doesnt work plain and simple
Im sure everyone likes to believe there are op cant be beat classes but those people are just showing how unskilled they are in gw2.
I have over 124 tournament wins mostly in solo que. Trust me the competition is out there. This guy is just a troll.
thieves are probably the least op class in the game. I go over for probably 3-4 hrs a day trying to find a build to beat another class because some guy figured out how to use them and makes it impossible for me to beat. Threads like this are very annoying.
its a 1/2 stun and the pistol whip combo does the same damage as the auto attack. l2p and stop qqing. Pistol whip is a counter followed by the auto attack spam without the conditions plain and simple. If you keep getting countered by the same move because your too noob to do something else besides trying to attack every time you get countered then that’s your fault.
Its like playing rock paper scissors and your complaining because people keep spamming rock and beating you because your too dumb to spam scissors each round.
At first I was in disagreement at how fundamentally flawed the point system is. Though after really evaluating it. I can see now exactly how flawed it is.
The current point system does not reward winning it rewards manipulation of objectives and kills in a way that is counter-productive to winning.
The points should be based ONLY on:
Standing inside the objective point
Getting kills where the enemy (NOT THE PLAYER) is near the objective point
Reviving fallen teammates
The funny thing is the classes people think are op really arent. People just dont know how to play and ANY class can spam certain skills and be labled OP against newbies.
I love how people think pistol whip is OP when it does about the same damage as the auto-attack chain. Only reason its op is because it has a 1/2 second stun that noobs dont know how to counter and get chain stunned over and over again. Why don’t they dodge out? Why don’t the step away from the pistol whip? They sit there and think they can attack again but get stunned and attacked over and over until they are dead.
the OP needs to play more and qq less. At first the game seemed like a mess of spells to me. Now I see attacks coming from a mile away. I can anticipate skills a player is doing and dodge or counter. Every once in a while I get the " oh crap how did die" thing . Though, its because its a spell/boon/condition I didn’t know a class had.
actually I disagree with a lot of what this guy has said.
Play more tournaments and then come back with your qq about the system because The only thing wrong with the point system right now is in the Capricorn map the bonuses are off for skirmishes and defensive.
Outside of that they should just add more points for doing individual things like destroying doors. killing individual enemy npc.
I’m unable to zoom my camera out of my character when downed. I can do it normally with the mouse wheel when I’m not downed. Though, when I’m downed the camera remains close and stuck behind my character.
I didnt like it at first but it actually works really well. I hope they do not remove it.
Also it doesnt reward players for getting a finisher. I get most of my points from assists and let other players finish the downed guy while i work on points for another player.
The thread owner obviously does not do his research before posting.
I have completed Shadow achievement (200 matches won as a thief)
and almost done with Champion Shadow (over 70 tournaments won as a thief)
I can tell you thieves aren’t as unbalanced as some say. Though, the HS spam is overpowered due to the amount of effort needed to stop it vs. the amount of effort to execute the skill.
In a skill based games ONLY the hardest to execute combos and abilities should do the most damage. (eg. backstab) Making a 1 button auto target skill have the ability to kill someone by simply pressing it over and over is very wrong.
HS needs a dramatic nerf when players have more than 30% HP or a higher cost in initiative. It should be used as a finisher not an opener or skill to chase people down.
I have a /age of 325+hrs now (i know its crazy but after work all i play is this game until i have to work again i love GW2 soooo much!)
I recently been putting a lot of time into sPVP. Now at glory level 23 I can see that trying to get to wolf or tiger will take a lot of effort.
I don’t mind the amount of play that’s needed to level and enjoy the challenge but I don’t want to put time into it if say next month the developers decide to increase the glory rate per game 100% making it easier to reach higher glory levels. I would rather stop sPVP and do something now and wait for that to happen.
With all the changes happening are you guys going to increase the speed in which players level in sPVP?
I personally think it will be bad for those who played real hard to get cool gear and then find out it can be done with way less effort by newer players.
Suggestion:
If you guys do feel that you will want to increase the amount of glory per game maybe just increase the PVP Glory Booster consumable items instead. Maybe instead of 50% boost just make it 100% boost?That way if people find it slow they can purchase better boosters for faster level. Rather than giving everyone a freebie by increasing the rates all across the board.
We are stuck in a sPVP match that the points ended. We have been stuck in the match for the past 45 minutes. Can we get a GM to end the game so we can play something else?
