Guild Wars 2

Sororita.3465:

Xom.9264:

@Sororita why would you expect props for roaming on a necro let alone two its a very strong combo and class in WvW. Even before the necro buffs solo roaming was my bread and butter, now its kind of silly strong.

If roaming on a necro was so easy…why dont i see any but us?

O yeah.. poor health regeneration, poor mobility and no easy access to stability!

Haha guy is crying about necros being underpowered, now I know you’re full of kitten.

MrFluffy.9307:

sorry ET and HoD looks like you got the short end of the stick this week :/

on the bright side we’ll have time for lots of fight clubs

I like my odds against IoJ in fight club, as I doubt you guys have much time to 1v1 when youre marching around in 500 person zergs all the time.

Jaaded.1870:

We had a blast defending in DR tonight!!! Thanks for all the fun ET and SF.

Are you the Soco necro who stood there and /beckoned me for a 1v1 by bay gate, laughed mid fight when you thought you might win, then ran to guards when you were about to lose?

Troop.1369:

Siad.3608:

Troop.1369:

lordkrall.7241:

And this couldn’t go into one of the 50 other threads about the exact same topic?

Look at the previous posts of this guy, if he doesnt work for Arena.Net then he’s got a replica of Colin Johanson in his basement.

The fact that you know who Colin Johanson is (I had to google it) says more about you being an ANet fanboy than any of his previous posts.

Man how are you even allowed to post?

Oops thought you were talkin about the OP when you said that…sorry. :/

Stylo.6259:

This matchup summed up in 0:23 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzp5PRbc82Y

Yup

Troop.1369:

lordkrall.7241:

And this couldn’t go into one of the 50 other threads about the exact same topic?

Look at the previous posts of this guy, if he doesnt work for Arena.Net then he’s got a replica of Colin Johanson in his basement.

The fact that you know who Colin Johanson is (I had to google it) says more about you being an ANet fanboy than any of his previous posts.

To the NO warrior i just destroyed…get back with your zerg scrub. You are bad.

Aeneasx.1589:

I have yet to see a server with a worse and overall skill-less zergy player base than IOJ. I almost feel bad for you people.

I agree with this. Bad.coms all over the place.

I remember taking however long off from the game when you tried out the December culling because of how bad it was. If it is anything like that I won’t continue playing. I don’t want to be forced into running with a big zerg as that seemed to be the only real way of keeping the culling somewhat bearable.

My main question is, why is the culling being reverted back to a system that they (at least from my understanding) got rid of because of across the board complaints? I thought maybe you would be improving it? I’ve literally never seen an MMO have the problems with culling that you guys threw at us back in December and apparently are about to throw back at us again permanently.

Ninya.3942:

Another week, another thread of people crying. It really never gets old and just gets more funny as we climb. At some point we’ll have real competition.

DD ele and PD thief. You don’t get an opinion.

War Machine…more like Wecouldntcrackitintoptiersowetransferedtolowpoptozergrusheveryoneoneinlowertiers Machine.

Ninya.3942:

So tired of facing these zerg servers man, they just ruin everything for the rest of us!

J/K, was fun getting rolled by NSP right after we capped.

How does anyone have fun running with that many people?

Bunzy.8674:

Never duel with LARP unless you have friends near by or they will jump you if you start winning, it has happened to us before. They are a bunch of cowards who will never fight equal numbers because they will get rolled.

Character deletion duel?

Bunzy.8674:

Aeneasx.1589:

Bunzy.8674:

Black Scoutsman.5830:

Bunzy.8674:

Tiglie.5834:

Bunzy.8674:

Tiglie.5834:

Would have posted a video of that Bunzy, but noone wants to watch us portal camp you lolololol.

What are you talking about

I’ll just let you rage for the rest of the night after that….premier gank guild, haha. And after those cleaner fights we finally got tonight, I can tell you that any of the small mans from when we were in tier 8 would manhandle you, it’s not even a comparison.

Do you want an even fight or keep running with your zerg?

But you’re “skilled enough to take on ten people by youself”. should have been no problem right??

If you have decent players every number advantage counts majorly. This is why WaR and LARP/NoQQ had to zerg us in order to win. Both were running with around 10 people to take on our 5 man.

Why lie?

Do you want me to check my video footage to find it for you?

Here I got a video for you. This is the video we require all LARP members to watch. Basically a training manual on how to play with us. You might learn some things.

Drednyte.7601:

yea..im vocal..yea i speak my mind…yea i dont have an issue with stiring up folks blood

If in the end they get their act together and start working as a team and not a zergfail group.

Darwin…./gkick…/ginvite…nope /gkick….okok /ginvite….oh darn no! /gkick….sigh ok fine /ginvite.

As to the comment on “crying when he fails”…that made me laugh. As I’m more often than not the one charging right into the midst of a sea of red. =) Other day me and 3 other PRO ran up on a BP/Mag fight at one of our camps in our borderland. We were outnumbered pretty much 2:1 by both servers but we were all knee deep anyways. That was me, that big gigantic target of a norn ele. (so wish i could get a race change!) we knew we couldnt win, but wasnt gonna jst give up either. You like all the flame rams I threw down….lol. HEY! it made more targets! lol

@ comment on me commanding..
Mate I stopped commanding back in T7 due to failboat zergs who kept dying to 5 man teams. And before you post more negative comments, i was the DR commander that led to the first EB map domination for DR and showed a ton of DR commanders key siege points on the map. I stopped commanding for 2 reasons, one was the guild was needing more admin stuff and our then guild leader was offline more often than not so i stepped up to help. The other was a ton of commanders on DR started popping up. If they had positive momentum, why disrupt it with another icon. Typically u wont see me icon up unless there’s just complete map chaos. Ive seen DR on forward momentum with no commanders, again, why mess it up with an icon.

@Mag/BP – Although it was just a joke on PRO transfering (no matter what some slim whits may think). Thank you for your interest in having us on your servers. I was quite surprised that 7-8 guilds sent me messages asking for PRO to join you. I was also very surprised by several guilds on DR that wanted to know where PRO was going so they could join us. Thank you all for fighting alongside PRO and doing all that grunt work while the failzergs continue to spawn loot bags.

To everyone else…meh. Read what i post and not get all defensive. Actually read what i post and not what you THINK it means or interpret it to be some direct attack on you. Dont like it..meh. Doesnt bother me in the least. Typically those that get all kitten are the ones I’m refering to anyways. Sure this post will get quoted flamed too. lol

Essays

saiyr.3071:

Wow, and I thought Bunzy was bad at forums PvP. At least he posts videos.

Edit: What the heck did you expect if you don’t record? For the video to fall into your lap?

This guy smrt

This trial has made the problem alot worse than before. Can you please revert back to what you had because this is really bad.

KwayZee.5742:

Creslin.1758:

KwayZee.5742:

Creslin.1758:

Aeneasx.1589:

I could care less about being outnumbered. Fighting the DR zergs can be very fun.

What ISN’T fun is seeing 15-20 people refusing to come and fight 4-5 guys.

Tonight I had more greens /sleep or /laugh from a distance or even atop a tower that we chased them into, than people who engaged. We fought outside that tower for 20 minutes, then you guys come out, drop ballistas on the bridge, and still wipe? How do you even keep playing after something like that?

Yep, that seems like how it always is.

One thing I would like to know is who the freak sits on DR’s tower siege stuff like ALL day. Anytime I go to a DR tower, there is someone up there on the siege just waiting. They don’t ever come out, they just wait and then fire their siege weapons.

Are you guys hiring low wage workers from third world countries to do this?

Look I can only speak for myself on this matter.

Do not get me wrong. We love playing against you guys most of the time. NoQQ, Envy, LARP, and many more guilds. But I personally am tired of the matchups. I am not scared of the higher tiers. I am not worried about getting my kitten kicked by higher tiers either.

We all know each others strats by now, we have played against each other for so long that it is kinda meh..

Literally the only thing that matters to [PRO] is this http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

That is what we base all of decisions on. Who we attack and how we choose who gets second place on this server. That might seem a little bit of a bold statement, but for the past two weeks we have chosen who is going to be second on the server. And that server is the server that will benefit us in this whacky kitten points system that Anet uses.

Bottom line is we want to move up and play different servers. LARP, NoQQ if you guys switch servers to keep playing against DR. More power to you. Hopefully that server will have more coverage then the last one. Hopefully it will have more WvWers then the last.

Many battles and much respect between all three servers. But we just wanna move up!

Honestly, I believe you and I’m not really surprised.

PRO is a big guild. It is probably bigger than Envy, NoQQ and LARP combined. PRO also, on average, has less skilled/geared players than the aforementioned 3 guilds. Don’t get me wrong, PRO DOES have some good players. But their sheer size basically necessitates that many of their players aren’t very good.

As far as points go though, numbers matter far more than skill. So, it really is no surprise to me that a huge guild like PRO can highly influence who comes in second place.

As for me though, I don’t really care. I play WvW to fight players, the points and objective taking is almost always just a means to that end for me. I may want to take a tower or camp just to goad people into attacking it. But I don’t really care about holding it…I just want to kill.

<—— The Asuran Thief that finally had to go out and kill you at Bluelake tower, After I sat on the tower and beckoned you and watched you 5 v 1 people for 30 minutes and still manage to get away everytime lol…

Was good times heh, even though I am sure a couple of pugs engaged you when we were fighting. But the only time you actually died was when I finally jumped off that tower.

Wow you must be really good…you killed a guy 6v1 then came on the forums to brag about it.

Also, theres about 58 Asuran thieves in your guild, all of which sit in towers and only jump down for fights when you vastly outnumber someone. You will have to be more specific.

http://i.imgur.com/G2r8K.jpg

It’s really quite flattering that you 20 felt the need to drop 2 ballistas for 5 of us. Then again when you did leave the comfort of your siege you got wiped.

ktith.6197:

Why oh why is DR trying to stay in T8. You guys are winning, but you’re losing rating because you’re holding back….you’re losing people because of this fact alone…win harder.

They run around in one massive zerg, so hitting 2 things at once really confuses them.

Devonas REALLY wants to move up.

Drednyte.7601:

I find it funny how almost every post is “DR can do nothing but zerg.” I agree, DR has a larger Wv3 population these past 2 weeks than Kain or Ferg in “general” but not 24/7. And its a shame that the old “manpower” excuse keeps flying out of folks mouths. Bout 8 weeks ago or so when I got to DR there wasnt a “massive DR population in Wv3” and there wasnt a “massive transfer to DR” either, unless some folks define massive as 20-25 for the first week. There was a solid 4 weeks of pretty even numbers as to general Wv3 population with a slight advantage going to DR and Kaineng over Ferg.

We started pretty even, DR managed to have better tactics and teamwork that both of u, hence we pulled ahead and stayed ahead. Our fault you started losing players? Nope. Our fault 4 of your largest Wv3 guilds jumped ship? Nope. You want to blame us for everything, how about you just accept the fact DR didnt like where it was at a few weeks ago, decided to make a change, implemented, and owned. You dont like it…then by all means do the same. But can you please stop blaming DR for everything YOU do wrong. The reason youre not winning and/or cant win…you have a lot of players/guilds who run into Wv3 with the “soloist” concept and no intentions to help push your server up the ranks. That is 100% YOUR SERVER fault, not DRs. How about you take it up with those players/guilds who do nothing but join a map and run around looking for a fight. Not helping gain points, not helping defend, not helping to upgrade, build siege, etc. Pretty much doing nothing for Wv3 rankings. On the map doing PvP in Wv3 because they probably tried PvP and got owned. For those who keep posting “We dont care about points”…well if thats the case why are those same folks in the forums QQn about everything? If you dont care about server rankings..why arent you in PvP?

Anyways…theres a ton of awesome Wv3 gamers on Kaineng and Fergs…if you truly want to rank up, move to DR or transfer to another server that wants the same thing(s) you want. Dont let yourself be stuck in the mud with QQrs who fault everyone but themselves for being at the bottom.

Everyone likes to win, most dont mind losing…but everyone likes to give 100% towards the same goal, then if you win or lose it doesnt really matter because you gave it your best. Ask yourself this: Are the Wv3rs on your server giving it their best FOR the server or FOR themselves? You decide the answer and stay or transfer as you see fit.

Wrong. Zerg more noob.

Max Castle.6173:

Creslin.1758:

Max Castle.6173:

Creslin.1758:

Max Castle.6173:

Zizanzi.4678:

SpaceLord.4590:

Agreed StormWolf…

Pushing cats with a rope is like a commander trying to lead a zerg.

My running mates went back to 5 mans last night. God that is so much fun Had 2 groups with about 9 total running together. Seems to be a good number….Enough to take towers at times, easy to coordinate, and still able to take on uncoordinated zergs.

I am really not sure from reading the forums that the higher tiers are any better at controling their zergs, they just have more people getting them coordinated. It seems almost every bracket is complaining of the same thing.

Small man fights, who would ever think of such a thing? I mean I would NEVER do such a thing. ZERG FTW, long live the Zerg in WvWvW.

But your math isn’t adding up for small man group of 5. Isn’t two groups of 9 = 18. Help me out on this one :-p. Show me how you are 5 please I’m soo confused with this math. Are you saying it takes 3.6 Devonians to equal one of ours? So we divide your total number by 5 to get result? I still love ya though but please help me out on this one.

Stylii Elementalist (Staff)
Going to Roll the Next Tier Against DR (NoQQ) leader

Really?
2 Party’s full = 10
Usually when we do this kind of action we might have a scout off .. Well.. Scouting. So there is your 9. " 2 groups with total of 9 ". Or maybe one group only had 4 total and no scout. So 5 +4 = 9…
Or MAYBE it was two parties if 4, and a pubbie following along…
Or maybe.. Ok that’s enough.
Now last night Ferg was hiding a group of 5-10 in red water and ambushing the 5( and sometimes 10 ) going to cap the camp. ( which is viable and well executed with some excellent portal, stealth use and hidden siege btw) so kudos on those good fights.

What I try to stress with my groups are small victories. Camp captures, supply and reinforcement denial, and diversion assaults. I see both kain and ferg doing this as well. (and better at times) These are more critical to our servers success than these Zergs IMO and I look forward to doing more of this on reset and the weekend.

Flag [Pro]
DR

Are you talking about last night around 8ish EST when LARP and me (ENVY ele) were defending Red Water??

As I recall that night, we had…maybe 8 or so. And significantly larger Dev’s group were consistently attacking that camp. The groups attacking varied, but I think it had to be around 12-20 or so.

The crazy thing was that the Dev players would just keep trying to go through that door over and over and just get creamed by the two ballistas. Each time I kept thinking “Why don’t they just come in from the water??” But every time, they would just bang their heads on the door.

I think there were like 3-4 attack attempts that were repelled, until they finally came in with absolutely overwhelming numbers and took the camp. In the end, I’m not sure how many DR there were, but it was a sea of red names lol.

Nice revisionist history here, but some parts correct. Yes, you guys repelled the front door assaults ( 3 or 4 seems right ) And I will even spot you the "12-20 " vs your sieged up defense during thise repel successes. But you didn’t get overrun in the end. I and about 4 others pubbies went in and took that camp after you all stopped trying to build the siege in the tunnel to the tower. We were surprised you had abandoned it, but no matter. There were no overwhelming numbers; I am betting you expected us to do just that, but instead of staying to fight, you fled.

Oh yeah, you know I think you’re right, I was remembering it wrong. What happened was a BIG group came into the camp and killed our siege, and I died as well. I respawned, came back, and there were like probably over 20 DR in the camp. We wound up pushing you guys back before the supervisor went down. You guys even built offensive ballistas of your own in the camp IIRC….I remember RTLing to one and killing its operator.

And there is no doubt that those were overwhelming numbers…I wish I had a video, but just believe me, you had WAY more than us.

As for why we left…one of the LARP guys said they were going to Kaineng so I went with um. I guess they just got bored?

We didn’t build any siege nor defend that camp at all, and we did cap it because the three or four of us destroyed the hidden arrow cart in the building after we capped it. You must be confused, or were at a different camp.

Talk about revisionist history lol…you had 1 ballista up and a 2nd one being built before we managed to push you out. And we didn’t flee, that would mean we were getting beat, which even you admitted wasn’t the case.

Laiboch.4380:

I think its awesome that Ferg and Kain love posting video’s of their victories. I am waiting for them to post a video where their combined scores beat DR’s. My only real question is With all the l33t skill Ferg and Kain have why are you losing? Not just losing, but less than half our score combined.

Free lesson. Win first brag later.

Hey look at me I can roll on the zerg server, hide my name, and fist pump when my server wins because of sheer numbers. Gtfo random zerg rider #12827389.

Khanswrath.1032:

@Siad.3608 Hey don’t take anything I say personal, every post I make here in the forums has the hidden intention to make someone laugh. Ask anyone from Kain or DR who was in EB last when a certain shirtless sexy Norn was the ONLY defender in Langor when the gate came down. Also having the numbers (which we do) it’s very hard to not run to an objective that’s being contested and not “become” part of a zerg. If you’d like I’ll roll into Ferg or Kains BL tonight and try and solo cap towers. I’ll wear my bright red Beaver shirt this time so you can see me coming from a distance. Keep in mind too that large group (and it was large) of Kains that took the 2 lowland towers vanished soon afterwards, if you ask me they employed the same tactic of BL jumping.

Oh you’ve made it personal now. You have just been issued a character deletion duel.

SpaceLord.4590:

Storm Wolf,

They do have a point to a degree, DR does need to improve to move up. Heck anyone that is honest about it will tell you that or fooling themselves. It is just easy to look at one battle on one BL and not understand what is going on spread out over 4 battlegrounds.

At least you have enough sense to realize this. Right now, I don’t really see any use of strategy by Devonas other than to just simply overrun everything with superior numbers. It works here because FC and Kain simply can’t put out the same numbers on a consistent basis. Doubt it will on higher tier servers where the populations are higher.

Khanswrath.1032:

Tiglie.5834:

Draygo.9473:

SpaceLord.4590:

Actually,

Last night after pushing FC out of our BL, we went to Ferg and began trying to take things.

We had taken most of the south and had begun trebbing Bay from the Briar. Then what do we see… Our whole southern BL had turned Blue. Nice. So of course we again had to abandon the FC attack, leave trebs and everything else, and head back to our BL.

Kain, for people that want DR to keep on Ferg you sure don’t act like it lol.

Ferg defends like a beast and upgrades just as hard. Even with our OVER 9000 CHARGIN MY LAZERRRRRRRRR zergs lol you guys crack me up.

Siege in FC takes a while, not wise to attack and pull us off of it if you actually do want us to attack them.

Good night though, tough fighting everywhere.

If you guys seiously cannot sustain an attack on a defended BL while defending another BL from a small force, you guys are going to get CRUSHED in T7…

Seriously, when a small group attacks something you dont need to send 150 people, abandoning all your holdings and trebs.

I kinda noticed it, when we or ferg would take something in your home BL you guys would just up and leave our or fergs bl. I was giggling about it.

He does have a very valid point for you guys. Last night as an example. We are taking stuff in your BL, so obviously you are going to defend hard. We have a LARP/NoQQ group of 10-15, and NP is leading a similar sized group. 40 tops in the zone. We are obviously not getting into anything you defend with 10-15, as we were shut down 3 or 4 times at different spots. You start small (speaking from DR perspective). We fight around 30ish at Cragtop, hitting us when we almost have to door down. Then you keep pouring in and pouring in. By the time we smash your zerg at redlake doors, I mean……..my god, my computer starts screaming at me. I counted 41 kills (wrote down before WvW achievment kills) on my guardian alone from that one hit…….you easily had 60+ there, probably closer to 80 people. Hell, in the time it took us to leave the supply camp and hit you on the door, your zerg had managed to auto attack the door down to 70%.

Meanwhile……back in EB, which you had completely under control, Kain manages to take back approx. 50% of the map from you, in the time you spend pouring your entire force into the BL to take back 2 towers and a keep.

You will get destroyed running these tactics in tiers with more active WvWvW populations.

To be fair I was in EB last night when Kain did make an excellent push into our lowland towers. I can’t be sure as to how many went to other BL’s when the call came but the vast majority of those left in EB were defending the Ferg OL (which we had fully upgraded) from attack and capture. We lost a paper WC and a fully upgraded Klov (that sucked) but it was a fair trade off to maintain Ferg’s OL and then sweep back into Kain’s lowlands after the OL was secure. Granted going against two servers with equal numbers it will be more difficult to do this and succeed but the base strategy behind what happened last night was sound. The true equalizer of course was my play last night as I was on point and basically retook (and defended) at least three towers ON MY OWN. The bro’s they came at me.

And this is why you will bottom dwell in the next tier. You think a strategy that saw you gain the bottom part of your borderland in exchange for half of EB is sound. Also, I know you’re lying about being ON YOUR OWN, because the only time someone on Devonas is ON THEIR OWN is when they are running back to a zerg.

Ender.3508:

Seems kains been relegated to nothing but zerging. Goodbye enjoyable small man ops.

Guy on Devonas complaining about zerging…

Tiglie.5834:

Before you ask about redlake tonight in your BL…….there were 15 of us. I know, I know, we all had rendering issues because of the 230 that you brought. I just figured I would let Dread know before he comes here rolling his 20 sided die, and claiming the result to be his force.

You are very comparable to loose leaf paper. Anyone can rip a piece of loose leaf paper……..heck most can rip a stack of 10-15 with just their own 2 hands. The problem is when you put all that paper together and make a phonebook. No mortal can dare rip a phonebook……we just figured out how to open it up and have 10 people each rip 15 pages at once.

This is what went down at redlake.

mischwoof.9785:

Siad.3608:

My biggest problem is every kitten class has a way to stop you at least once from finishing them off. If the Devs are so insistent upon keeping down state in the game, at least remove everything but the auto attack and heal ability.

What class are you playing, may I ask? :o

Stability and Quickness are your friends when finishing players. If you don’t have those with your class, maybe ANET’s balancing would be better off giving your class some form of those two abilities instead of removing Downed State mechanics.

Thief and Ranger. Thief has no stability and I’m not running with quickness atm. Usually on my thief I just attack someone until they die because of the burst and it just seems to go faster at times.

As for the Ranger, yesterday I was playing as a tanky finisher in our group because I do have alot of quickness on it. Although I will admit I hate playing my Ranger because the class is simply boring and the issues I have with that class go on and on and have nothing to do with down state.

Regardless, quickness and stability don’t mean anything on a thief, mesmer, or ele since they can move their characters out of the range of the finish.

My biggest problem is every kitten class has a way to stop you at least once from finishing them off. If the Devs are so insistent upon keeping down state in the game, at least remove everything but the auto attack and heal ability.

Sounds like goin to FC this week was a good idea with all the Kain guilds pretty much takin the week off.

I’ve thought they needed border messages for awhile now, and not just when you join a borderland. I’d like to see commanders be able to flash a message across everyone’s screen in the zone saying something like “hitting X, meet at Y, leaving in 5 mins.” I do like your idea though of a quick summary of how that borderland is doing without having to ask in map/team chat.

Sol.4310:

LARP, from Kain stop using the god darn rendering glitch on your thief’s, its becoming a joke. There is no skill in using a bug to win your fights.

WTF is a rendering glitch? Sounds like youre making excuses for getting dominated.

Etna.1634:

Some Devonians enlighten me pls (maybe Dredknight since he seems to be on top of things). Do the average Devona player know the buttons on the siege equipment better than their classes?

THEY GOTTA PREP FOR HIGHER TIERS OK??

I run a condition build and had been using short bow/axe + torch, but it seems that they nerfed bonfire radius to the point where its useless so I’m looking to try another offhand. I see alot of people talking about warhorn being a great offhand, but was just curious if anyone has any thoughts on OH dagger.

This is how it is between Fort Aspenwood, Sanctum of Rall, and Sorrow’s Furnace.

http://i.imgur.com/hokHJ.jpg

It gets pretty competitive during peak times, and is actually quite fun, but it’s clear that SoR and SF just don’t have the numbers during the late hours to make it a contest.

The main problem is getting into combat and slowing down to a speed where most of the jumps are impossible, paired with the length of time you stay in combat. The little arena room with mobs is impossible to get through if someone is camping above it.

Definitely is a problem and no its not an issue of players on one server being better than another. It’s pure numbers and to say any different is ridiculous.

For example, I logged off at 3AM CST and all 3 servers were within 1000 points of one another. I log in after getting some sleep a mere 8 hours later and one server is at 42000 points and the other 2 are at 16000.

Kinda lose motivation to play WvW for the rest of the week knowing there is really no chance of winning because one server just caps everything when most other people are asleep.