Guild Wars 2

We the denizens of Blackgate would like to welcome you to attack GB Sometime tonight IoJ/SoR…

Uhh Reset? Is the reset going to happen shortly? Because I thought it was supposed to happen by now.

Shout outs to SBI and JQ in JQ BL tonight. Took both of you attacking us for 3 hours for you to beat us outmanned. See you tomorrow.

Lots of BG aren’t playing due to a sever case of the I played too much last week’s. The thing is the benefit to JQ and SBI having the WvW depth to draw on is the ability for you to not have your players burn out. Sure Blackgate is a full server, less than 10% of its population is currently working with our council, and of those people that are we cannot field the raw numbers that the bandwagon available servers can. People can’t bandwagon to BG easily, we’re full nearly 24/7, but that does not mean any of those people on have much interest in WvW. It is really easy for everyone to wonder what is happening to BG, the point is very simple, we’re tired. Nearly all of our commanders are tired and need some time off, and more and more are returning every day. So to put simply, we will come back up here and be more organized if we move down.

Thought If we can get half of our PvE people to WvW 3 different nights of week, the scores would be far closer. I know I for one along with several other guilds are trying to make this a reality now.

BabelFish.7234:

Capping the AoE boons/heals seems like a viable solution. Only 5 people should be effected just like AoE damage. This won’t effect PvE except for some major DE events like dragons and Cursed Shore (can’t speak for dragons but CS is mainly bots being obnoxious anyhow).

This is already in place.

Groove.3602:

Imo

1. Cheese tactic
2. built upon exploiting/abusing game mechanics
3. Encourages a awkward, non intuitive, and un-fun style of game play

This needs to get nerfed unless you want to see declining subs due to what everyone outside of the few turtling guilds view as abusing of game mechanics.

Guarantee if it stays, WvW will see declining interest. And with declining interest, so goes the player base.

First point you made, Cheese tactic. I imagine if you thought it up you would not agree. That being said, its an old tactic used in many MMO’s to promote cross healing and organization.

Second point, built upon exploiting/abusing game mechanics. In which part of the EULA that you signed up for does it state that you cannot stand next to someone? More importantly, what is the acceptable amount? Assuming that I am in fact in the wrong and it is in writing there. Point is, you cannot exploit/abuse a mechanic if there is no parameters set to do so. And I can assure you I have not had A-Net send me a message saying that I am exploiting by standing next to other players.

Last point, Encourages a awkward, non intuitive, and un-fun style of game play. What? I understand that this is your opinion and you are in fact entitled to it. But what? What is awkward about it, how is it non intuitive? Its relevancy of “Fun” is subjective, some people enjoy it and others do not.

You can’t nerf this tactic. You can try, you can do things to hinder it. But it will always be there. The common ways people think it will fix will only cause further problems in the game or, in fact, assist the turtle because the beneficial effects we put out only affect 5 people as well. Character collision would make people do a /sleep and make a human ladder to get on top of walls instead of siegeing it.

Besetment.9187:

This is the worst thread on the forums, and there are some real stinkers out there.

Just sayin.

And I have to agree with you, this was meant for satire and honest discussion of tactical idea’s between enemies and servers. Not a troll the “hacker” thread. There is a place for that on these forums, I believe they want all of those issues to be posted under the “Bugs” thread.

Any moderator reading this it is the wish of the originator of this post for it be locked due to off-topic subject’s and overall tone. Again thank you all for participating in the heart of the discussion who did in fact do so. The rest may take their complaints to the forum thread that I hope the moderator who locks this states. As I am not completely aware.

Xeeron.9254:

Steadfast.5827:

I just finally made the connection that the spartans were the first RL exploiters. History naturally refers to them as brilliant tacticians who brutalized and nearly conquered their entire known world.

Got all your history knowledge from 300? Reality check here: The entire known world was much bigger than what the Spartans conquered.

The analogy is as botched as the mechanics you abuse ingame.

- Xeeron

Sorry new work schedule has kept me away. If you read my post exactly I said “their” known world. At the time that they existed they conquered every land that they at that time had known. It wasn’t THE known world as in todays standards, but it was the world that they had seen.

@ Tuffy

Thanks for bringing the point back home. The point of this thread is not to discuss the true cheaters. WE have no control over them. The point is to discuss tactics, and their uses. And please lift the cap on the AoE target, I want to be truely invincible. Side note BG didn’t have queues longer than 2 mins since Friday, most of the time its instant, if we let our forces battle it out with yours without some sort of tactic we would be loosing.

Well I’m off, but I leave you with a thought. The same issue you have with the max of 5 AoE is the same issue we have with the max of 5 healing, its all about learning and adapting. There are a few things in the game without a max target, the question is what…

Stormcycle.4208:

it was just a terrible analogy and a wall of text in the attempt to give credit to a tactic that is obviously abusing the AoE limit of 5 random people being hit at a time. By doing so they are making themselves invulnerable to almost all area effect attacks. Pair this with a mesmer or two who run ahead and drop port, and then the whole zerg ports and remains stacked, and you have an unbeatable strategy.

Clever yes, but it is an exploit in my book because I don’t think that they intended for the game to be played like that.

Well ok lets say A-net removes the no more than 5 people hit by an AoE at one time thing. Then we can use elementalist healing much more effectively because what they do to damage is also done to buffs. If they did that it would only make us stronger in the long run.

Hence why they can’t do anything about it. Funny thing is I have a lot of screenies of the entire turtle being dead because you guys are adapting to it.

Socrates method of thinking More of that history stuff =)

Well characters collision on this game would be a nightmare. I could see people /sleeping and jumping on top of eachother to make a human ladder ontop of a wall instead of laying siege.

Woah!! Calm down here this about the camaraderie we should all feel as enemies, not something to go down the “gets this locked up post” please. The point of this is A-net is doing an amazing job making a game fun, its hard for them to stop all instances of those kind of cheaters. But I am sure they are working hard to sort things out. Give them time! Seriously great job with the tactics A-net its given this game a whole new level of interesting.

I just finally made the connection that the spartans were the first RL exploiters. History naturally refers to them as brilliant tacticians who brutalized and nearly conquered their entire known world. But nay I say, I say these men were the first case of hackers, just look at them turtling up to defy the odds of being out-maned in their war. Such brilliance could only naturally lead to Persians screaming “exploiters!”

I digress however, to the heart of what is truely working against people who are not understanding why A-net calls these tactics and allows them to continue. Let us take again from history, when the war for Helena Troy the “Face that launched a thousand ships,” was on its last ropes they then had the second instance of RL hacking. They built a wooden horse, and pretended to be wiped out by plague during a peace time for funerals. Within that horse was several men who opened the gates of the city to let the army in. Mesmers I say and their game breaking portal, surely it was them who thought up this devious scheme!

Everyone starting to see the points I make here, instead of talking about how these things that you can find in history are, whether intentionally or not by A-net, has a correlation between history’s tried and true tactics. My good people I could continue going to the war of Independence here in the United States of America. When a young General named George Washington realized he could not win a war standing in lines and trading shots back and forth with his opponents. Instead of fighting a conventional war he instead resorted to guerrilla tactics to gain the advantage. So like George we the Blackgate server have found our own tactics to assist us in winning this war. And the same goes for the rest of the game.

Adapt, fight, kill but most importantly, have fun. I salute all who have made us adapt our own tactics. I thank you JQ and SBI, you have truely brought out the best in our strategists! We will continue to learn with you and I look forward to seeing you in the field.

/salute

Woah now we here on Blackgate aren’t being surrounded and double teamed all the time. We just always happen to be in a target rich environment. Its ok i’m up over 700 kills from the last 4 hours alone. <3 you War machine! (to be fair to them of course I’ve died a whole bunch more than normal so this is quite fun.)

Oh and I miss all those stacking screen shots I look quite fat in them. So please next time adjust your lens.

Aye but we are working hard to root it out for you guys, sorry if its taking a while they are very spread out instances spanning all of our coverage, doing what we can though! Thanks for the patience hopefully this will be gone by tomorrow.

Blackgate orb hacker is reported players unique tags are “White Tiger.7123.”

And this time I saw it, confirmed fly hacking. I hope this person gets banned and removed from our server.

Lol the amount of coordination it takes to move a stacked group of that size is insurmountable. The amount of trust you have to put into your commander is just so as well, good luck with the balista/siege tactic, cause unless you build it on the walls where they can’t hit it, they will kill you before you have a chance to finish it. Keep trying though!

Warmachine is everywhere!!! Keeping us on our toes there much? Ouch. Lol GG its been rough fighting against you

Hey as an FYI on this orb thing. If you kill someone who is carrying the orb once, ONCE the next person who picks it up has the orb but It does not show up on the map. I spoke with the orb carrier and they reported killing an SBI with it, picking it up, and waiting for backup. Their backup died once (which is mainly why it took 10 min’s.) As for the Fly/speed hacker I do not know, When I logged off last night in Blackgate BL SBI had the orb in hills, and we had ninja teams trying to get in there, Not sure if that was effective or not I do know early on last night one of our guilds had a mesmer hiding inside your hills keep as an FYI, not sure how that panned out. If you guys ever see a resident of Blackgate hacking in some way, let us know their guild tag, and we will try to find them. We do not condone this on Blackgate and it is not what we stand for.

As for our DEY’s alliance’s tactics, enjoy the challenge of trying to find ways to beat it. And SBI, Ask Warmachine, they so far have been the only ones who have ever been able to beat it albeit with limited success. That should be a more constructive use of your time.

@Ultravalefor. Thats how the Blackgate HoD desired fight started. We were paid after our matchup with the TA by the nickname Beastgate, and they called us one tough server. In the TC/BG/FA match we paid you the compliment of being a never say die server, I look forward to the day I get to fight against (And I hope loose) to TC. You did very well in our matchup and it will be a load of fun throwing down against you again some day.

/Salute

@ Savage, Our EU/Oceanic guilds have noticed a drop in Frame Rates but have not had overly crippling UI lag. The trade of from my understanding talking to them is that they find the frames to be slightly more sluggish (~10 FPS) in large scale battles but do not have the issue of the UI having a 1-2 second delay that they used to have on their EU server. I do not know if thats just Blackgate as a whole or every US server, but the common consensus amongst those I have talked to is they feel the servers pack a bit more punch over on this side of the pond.

Not Sure if this is what you are talking about or if you are speaking from the position of being a US player going to a EU Server.

kelman.9451:

Right now WvW just ends up with one team dominating then there isn’t much to do until the next match up. This is a game breaking problem that should been addressed by now. Are the devs even playing WvW? I wonder myself.

Yes they are, some of the HoD TA guys were telling us stories about fighting them while they went undefeated.

No need to feed the trolls here, so I won’t. Vorpal you are completely correct. We are not enjoying this matchup and if we could have it any other way we would. When Blackgate started recruiting it was to BEAT TA and AA. We wanted to do so.

Added Now as for any guilds that left Blackgate to go to a different lower tiered matchup, we didn’t tell them or ask them to do so. And now a few of them are complaining about getting back on the server. In fact we warned against it for that very reason, so if that happened to your server, then you were truely wronged by THAT guild, not the Blackgate server.

Now the whole Dragonbrand thing. I just want to state. We didn’t make your server fall apart. The fact that you said “we are just pvdooring” is what killed your servers. You had 3 guilds playing every night, regrettably I don’t remember them. But the point is this. You saying that they weren’t up to snuff alienated your asian/oceanic/eu time zones and they left you because of that, try to be kind and curtious to those people in the future and let them know that you respect them, and cherish what they do for you, but you need to get them more help.

Next off we have a person on Blackgate who has recommended that several guilds go to different servers. This person is Laylyn, if your server has timezone gaps and as a community you wish to improve, I highly suggest getting a hold of this man, because he wants your server to be better some day. Or can help you as a guild find a server who’se WvW philosophy more suits your needs. Not every server can be number 1, the lower tiered server’s really should really cater to those who just want to log on and have some fun, and not stress about things like this. Example http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/72989-small-eu-guild-looking-for-american-server/

Lastly and this is just to Blackgate, I am disappointed in anyone who is greifing the new guilds. Just let them do their thing, and if you are only on Blackgate because others have talked us up, leave. We are prepared to loose, win, or come to a draw (last of which maybe will never happen) as a community, so if your fair weather bandwagoning but can appreciate this mentality, stay. Keep that in mind, don’t insult your neighbors just because they are different than you.

The free transfer’s off the server works in your favor. Because despite the fact that they are bailing the ship when the going gets rough, most of them will never come back, if you only care about winning then your server will never get ahead. Let the kittens who think it is the most important thing leave, you don’t need them anyways!

Picklez bud, we don’t need more animosity on our server by getting more people. Blackgate will wake up in tier 1. Kitten you’ll see more Blackgate next week if SoS gets up to tier 2. The server is right where we need it, you just won’t know it until we face a server that has tier 1&2 population.

Moderator please close this thread early, its going to be another thread of Charlie Prince, and other trolls, saying the same thing and flaming Blackgate for whatever reason. Blackgate’s is a PvE minded server, and so was our transfer’s. We have had no queue longer than 20 minutes in 2 weeks, except on Friday nights which before our transfers was 2 hours long anyways. Now your small guild is still welcome, but this matchup isn’t what it could have been a month ago. Its not our fault the TA and AA alliances broke up and dispersed. We asked a few to come over and people following Charlie’s “blackgates stacked zomg zomg zomg” posts are whats making it a stacked server. Not what we did. We’ve turned away several guilds on the basis that we are happy with where we are at in WvW and we are confident that our coverage will be UNDER that of IoJ-JQ and SBI. Of course we will not have a good idea of our Oceanic coverage until next week.

Point is this Blackgate has a welcoming community and THAT attracted the guilds that are here now. We don’t want to win every match, we want to fight every match. This is the second week in a row with us being against lower pop servers, and its not a good thing for our server.

So if you truely are part of Blackgate “From the beginning or oldschool” whatever you wish to call it, then you should know already that we don’t condone this tone with guilds who we have welcomed onto this server. Please be kind and curious to our new transfers who wanted to come here because (as they all have stated) “Blackgate is an awesome and wonderful server and the people are so nice!” And that statement should be what we continue to strive for.

(From BG) GOOO TC!!! I’m rooting for you guys. That match looks like so much fun!!! /jelous

Toggles.1783:

Hehe

I assumed that ‘helo’ was either a typo or some version “elo”(the rating system) of which I am not familiar.

Absolutely correct lol

Comeon CD raise that raiting so your helo doesn’t tank! You can do it!

I couldn’t help but lol at a lot of the threads that have posted here. A lot of our BG’s big wvwvw guilds are taking time doing dungeons and pve, various farming things and what have you. But I have to say, I enjoy logging into the NA prime time and going back and forth with the two scrapiest servers of TC and FA. You guys really do rock and it is my honest hope that TC continues to have this amazing mentality about having fun with wvwvw.
If by some odd chance BG does truely become “HoD” like and we start to break the other servers in wvwvw I am transferring all my members to TC, small group but I love your guy’s gaming conduct. For the most part TC and FA have been very sportsmanlike (as with any server the actions of a few should not reflect the many.) And I would like to apologize for anyone on BG corpse dancing and emoting. The general consensus amongst all the top guilds is just that of respect and admiration. We got stomped last week, but we fought as hard as we could at that time to try and stay away from this tier.
I must say this has been the best match for me, not due to winning, but due to the fact that our opponents really are a lot like a Blackgate when I started taking WvWvW seriously. Being scrappy, hitting supply camps to annoy the bigger target, not giving up. All foundations of what Blackgate is all about. I wish you all the best in future match-ups you deserve it.

Twinbros.5372:

If you think we (BG) are having free and easy wins then you are sadly mistaken. Also, you are pretty much insulting all the efforts of the people on your server. If the reason you do WvW for is simply to win, then you should probably transfer to the #1 server to begin with. TC and FA has been putting up fights and making us work to keep what we have, in fact TC just managed to get a foothold on their own map and take their garrison back from us. I really hope people like you that simply want to win don’t queue in TC so then maybe those that are dedicated will come and fight us.

I’m not insulting anyone, just pointing out that no matter how good you are at WvW Population ratio will always win. And if you think population has nothing to do with it, your naive.

I think the PVP’ers on TC are among the best, and in-fact if we had the PVP population that other servers enjoy, I have no doubt we would be in the top two tiers. But as I pointed out we don’t have the numbers and it doesn’t matter how pro our players are, a ratio of 5-1 will always win. WvW all boils down to numbers, you either have them or you don’t, effort/skill takes a back seat to numbers in this game.

And we here on BG congratulate you on that to be sure! The thing is we are enjoying how scrappy FA and TC are. You guys are doing really well despite our overall coverage.

As well I am one of the members who welcomes the new guilds who come in. We have never once sought our transfer’s from servers we are currently playing. We will not try to recruit any guilds from FA or TC, and any instance where that has occurred has been the guild in question coming to us asking if we would accept them.

Lastly, BG doesn’t have queue’s on every map, contrary to popular belief, at this exact time we only have a queue in EB. We don’t want anyone to give up the fight, you are doing amazing!