Guild Wars 2

Thats why I gave up playing (one of them), because after reporting the same 20 bots for 2 weeks, not one single bot was removed. It just became pointless so I stopped playing.

ALL gold buyers, should be instantly banned an accounts deleted, it is the only way to deal with them effectivly other than what CCP does.
Gold buyers are generally young ignorant an demanding. They do not respond to warnings, an will laugh in your face of you tel them"naughty boy"…

Instant bans deletion of account.

Only other way I have ever sene in over 10 years is how CCP does it (EVE Online)
They take all the cash you buy (isk), then you get a 2 week ban, PLUS on top of that, they debit your account same amount of cash that you bought. SO in end you cant buy an sell on markets,
you cant repair your ships
you cant buy ammo or mods
you cant trade on contracts
you cant replace your ship if lost

All you can do is grind rats (npc’s) for piddling amounts of cash 10-15k

So if you buy 5 billion isk, they take that 5 billion, an also give you a negative 5 billion.
This means your effectively screwed.

At end of the day gold buyers/sellers are the bottom of the gene pool. They are little less than animals an deserve nothing but complete contempt. It is just a shame Anet dont let us kill bots because I know I would be hosting “Kill a bot day” an give away prizes for most bots killed in imaginative ways. It worked in daoc an it worked in wow (until I was banned for being mean to botters.) lol
(oh the Irony)

Generally once you hit 75 the community turns to kitten. Teen angst, race hate an filth are normal. Not to mention the training that goes on. In first week or so it was great, people talked about the game an what they do, or whatever. Now it’s just 4 cham spam.

I find your best off to turn off the chat completely like I did.

Has nothing to do with griefing, today’s gamers really just want everything mirrored because they say “it isnt fair”…. Sadly todays gamers dont really have any experience with real MMO’s. Sadly true.
I cant even imagine what this lot would say if they had to deal with Daoc’s BoneDancers, Animists, friars,Thierg’s.Let alone the 40 other classes in the game…

Diversity is a good thing, all classes are not meant to be equal in all games, Just because blizzard did it does not mean we have to see it time an time again.This is/was not griefing hacking cheating or any other silly schoolyard event, it was purely because turrets are irrelevant an it’s easier to just walk away an leave them since they die very fast.

Some of you should try diversity occasionally, it makes an MMO a “true” MMO. (at least, helps it)

it’s amazing how you guys want everything so micro managed an so controlled, you want devs to play for you. I leave turrets behind everywhere I go because they are not important. an I would say this guy did exactly same thing. You can also bet this OP isnt telling whole story, it’s more likely the engi just walked away not caring an this guy missed out on a kill so he came here to vent.

But demanding that devs change the game because you missed an NPC that will respawn in 30 seconds is just silly. Way the game is going, it’s gonna end up as another warcraft, an none wants that.

How exactly is it bullying, this isn’t the real world there is no such thing. Sigh, sorry man nothing personal but when did gamers become so soft ?..Just ignore it, the turret will vanish after a few mins.

Todays MMO players wont tolerate Durability on weapons etc, You can see already they demand that it be removed on gear. The days where our stuff broke an eventually locked at a lesser level are long gone (Daoc). I personally believe gear/weapons should be like Daoc had em,w here you can only repair things x number of times, then it locks the pieces at 75% of what they once were.

So your playtime is more important than others?.The fact the servers only go down for a short time is fine. Hell, even if they went down for 5 hours a patch it’s still fine. After all, it is fixing/changing the game for good or bad. Go outside for a ltitle while, or talk to someone in real world for a bit.

MMO’s by their very name are made to “play how you want”… granted, not today’s MMO’s since they are really not MMO"s as such, more of a mmo’lite. But, this has nothing to do with forcing us to play within their tightly controlled micro management. This is purely to force us to buy gold off the market, that Anet setup.

I like many oldschool MMO’ers love to travel an kill mobs for loot to see what they drop, an make money. With Anet removing that ability, they remove what many of us play the game for.

fair enough. I personally dont really care either way, some RP’ers are what we call “puritanical” an they are probably the msot annoying, arrogant idfiots you will ever find. Some are nice an friendly, an some are…well, some are out there

But no matter how things went down, if they refused to move, an refused to help, then he should have dragged the event to them. (no it isnt griefing) he was “helping them” by making karma available to them without them having to go to it…

All a matter of how you spin it.

Charrgirl most RP’ers will argue with each other on what rates as “role playing”, none of them can agree on it so its usually a case of each to their own, an let them get on with it. What we se here is a group just minding their own biz an doing their thing. You can bet they were being screamed at an called all sorts with demands an threats etc, so when that was ignored this sort of thread pops up.

Strange that you seem to think you are the person to dictate what is spoken about on this forum.

For myself, Beta #2 of GW2 was FAR FAR!! more fun than it is today. but the “wow generation” screamed loud an long an the game was nerfed in beta 3 to be so simple even a wow player can play it.

it is sad when my beta 2 necro could only fight 2 even con’s at once, today can fight 10 even cons at once. that is how much easier the game was made. I too miss the days of the MMO where self responsibility was king.
Hell levels were not some evil plot by the iluminarti or whatever conspiracy todays gamers call it. Nor were exp loss the end of the world, because it taught you to be smart, an learn how to play.

Not to mention durability loss an perma durability loss on gear was not so bad. it provided the crafting community with a proper economy. level loss was gotten used too very quickly an you became much better players because of it. When a weeks playtime is at risk of beign wiped out in 3-4 deaths ina r ow, you learn to play smart.

This is the problem today those things made MMO’s for a more mature playerbase, something that is drastically lacking today. Hell, even EvE Online is dumbing down their game to promote itself as a"friendly" game to the wow gen.
I was really hoping GW2 would stick to their guns an not make it so easy as it is.

Amazing how all you people call those guys silly schoolyard names, an demand they play the way you dictate the game be played. Instead of crying to the Devs an demanding your hands be held, how about you ask other people to help you.

Fact is when an event spawns it is generally jumped on within 60 seconds by everyone in range. You dont know what those people were doing an it is not your right to dictate how they play. If you don’t like their game play.. MOVE AWAY lol.

It is really sad to see just how bad an how fast the community has got in GW2. Granted the forums are a tiny tiny % of the playerbase, but still..

They cant stop multi boxing, if I wanted to play two chars at once. I can “easily” slave them both to my G19, or my Razer ultimate mechanical. WITH NO BOT SOFTWARE….
people seem to confuse multiboxing with botting. they two are utterly an completely separate.

EVE is not the game it once was. I still play an have done since early 05. The game today is becoming mainstream, an they are removing much of the risk sadly.
Now days newbes spam forums demanding free ships, an if they get killed cos it was their own fault, they report people who did it…

The days of the true MMO are fast dieing I think. The currant generation have no ability to handle them.

They were not hurting anyone, nor are they “griefing” as people like to cry out these days. Role players are fine, leave them be an they will always leave you be.

You do understand mounts are just a silly wow thing. They are totally unnecessary an are really just a lazy mans way of moving around.

The “Real” MMO’s pre that crap were 10x the size of wow an never used mounts because people wanted to travel, explore an do things. Not just farm shinys in dungeons all day.

Hell Asherons Call for instance, was a completely open world an just one area you traveled through took over 90 mins on foot to pass through, running in a straight line. (an chars could run very fast).

The travel system in GW2 is simplicity itself, the world is very small so mounts are useless.

yes I do, the days of Daoc/AC/UO etc etc, Hell levels, class diversity, exp loss level loss, community spirit… learning to play your class, not just demanding free shinys from devs….

Those days are long gone. it’s all about simple fast free an easy today.

point I was making mate is that you don’t “need” vit at all. it is on nearly everything an its like healing stat, useless. Specially since you don’t have to worry about it. Ele uses all 4 spec lines an keeps moving, that’s it’s main power. I don’t really see why low HP needs to be a factor at all personally.

I hate to be the one to say it, but this isnt Warcraft (thank christ)…
We dont need everything to be exactly same, aN I hope to hell devs NEVER!! do so.
“normalization” as blizzard called it, is an insult to anyone’s intelligence. Diversity is what made the real MMO’s so popular an Anet are the first company in a LONG! time to bring back at least a small amount of it.

Strangely enough my 80 Ele didn’t use one single piece of vit gear an I leveled to 80 faster than my Necro did.

Funny that, but then I don’t feel its “unfair” for others to have something I don’t. in fact I hope to see more diversity not less.

I will give Anet credit where its due, at least they show some respect for their players an actually respond to us as a whole. Alot of company’s just dont give a toss. I should prolly say, for us as players it probably seems like nothing is ever happening when report bots day in day out, but if you think, theres 1 million active accounts for the game apparently.

So we dont know just how heavy the world load is. I can imagine theres a backlog of reports to get through.

Obviously some of the botters are here to try an convince everyone that there is nothing wrong, but facts are facts, there are groups of 5-10-20 bots in places on my server “Sea of Sorrows” alone. SO god knows how many on others. We havew trained on them to get them killed, we have reported them an nothing is ever done (apart from the botters reporting us for griefing lol)….

Now if an MMO EVE Online is able to jump on botters, then GW2 should be able, its just a case of “wanting” to. Now granted there’s alot of bots in EVE still,unlike GW2 in EVE we can harras an kill them even though CCP don’t like highsec killings…

For GW2, all it would take is some in game GM’s whose job it is to ban bots in real time. Ban the accounts, delete the chars on them.\

They can easily see gold transfers being done in the logs, or on the trade house. If someone has a white item up for 500 gold, you can be 100% garenteed its a gold sale.

I find it strange there are self confessed Anet Devs playing GW2 all time, an yet they can see it happening for themselves.

eh I don’t group with strangers because today’s MMO players are often wow gamers, an that generation really are bottom of barrel for “community”. I group with friends only. So I don’t have any issues of such things. Mind you, I don’t do dungeon grinds so….

I will say one thing though, why are people demanding Anet fix this for them. Take some self responsibility an deal with it yourselves.
Blackball known trouble makers. In old days this si how we dealt with people who only wanted to be idiots. It worked well, when that persons name got round an none would play with them.
Often times they deleted an rerolled or even quit.

I think you will find those defending the bots an arguing against the op’s post are “possibly” botters themselves. I know for a fact the botters are not remotely scared of Anet, an take every chance to wave it in their face.

As I posted early on, in Asherons Call the dev’s were same as Anet , an let it go for too long. Once in place you have lost the battle.making the game misserable for the playerbase in the faint hopes of annoying bots isnt the way to go because it doesnt work.

In all seriousness, Anet should talk to CCP about it. EVE bots just got smashed recently, with thousands of Rssian an american bots (an others) banned. Not to mention the wonderful tactic they have of debiting your account if you buy isk(gold)

EG: If you buy 500 gold,the Mods would take the gold off you, give you a 2 week ban, an debit your account for same amount you bought.
Now in EVE this is a big deal. Because you need cash to do basically anything.
You cant buy ammo, you cant repair, you cant buy an sell, you cant do alot of anything except rat in local (grind).

Some sort of system like this should be looked at for GW2

very easy to fix, just dont group with strangers.. See I fixed it.

The same thing happened 10 years ago in Asherons Call, the devs ignored bots for 4 years, an it killed the game. Same thing is gonna happen here sadly. We cant even kill the bots. Hell I spent days training on them an got an email one day telling me I was reported for “griefing” lol

Now, that doesn’t scare me in the slightest, but it shows just how unafraid they are of devs.

CCP could teach the GW2 devs a few things about bots. They crushed 10s of thousands of bots recently in EVE an blew away trillions an trillions of sik (gold) out of the economy. It has improved the game tremendously.

I have not played GW2 for a week now, an honestly, have little incentive to. The bots are swarming on Sea of Sorrows, an getting worse day by day.

it isn’t exploiting at all. Trouble is Anet are trying to stop botting by hammering game content. This wont work as it just bugs the real players. I am all for banning botters an making their life hard. They are contemptible animals to me. But doing this has really spoiled what some of us play MMO’s for. The fun of wandering, killing mobs to see what they drop.

Yes some people do it purely to farm for cash, an some do it to sell gold, but there’s alot more that do it for the fun of it. myself included.

I spent 2 weeks grinding my crafted kit an weapons, only now to find my MF set is useless, so I had to regem it. Not a huge deal but being that I have not played for a week cos I just don’t see the point, its kind of sad.

If your that uptight that you want devs to ban an block actual game content then I feel sorry for you, because you’ll be left with a game that has nothing to do.

Being an oldschool MMO’er as in UO Daoc AC1. I gotta say there isn’t much to do in GW2 really. Farming was what I enjoyed. Now you can grind battlegrounds or grind a dungeon….

No thanks.

At end of day it’s their game to do with as they choose, but it’s really sad that it isnt what it started out as. Hell in beta two the game was so fun an far FAR more difficult. But the forum warriors demanded it be made into “wow levels simplicity”, an they were given their wish.

All in all a great looking fun game is getting spoiled by this system they are using.
I ignore the giants an the boss mobs as a waste of time now. I dont need karma an I dont need exp they drop nothing so why bother.
(an please dont waste my time telling me to go back to wow, i detest that laughing stock of an excuse for an mmo).

I am Staff for marks.
Daggers x2 for grinding.
Usually I lay down marks around or on tooop of me, thne switch to daggers an pull them all to me.
30.30.10
“Spite”
Deaths Embrace
Training of the Master
Close to Death
“Curses”
Weakening Shroud
Hemophilia
Master of Corruption
“Death”
Minion Master
Now obviously you can chop an change these to suit, but this is for grinding in pve NOT pvp.
Does a huge amount of AOE damage.
by the way, I use “Taste of death” minion always. As well as, Well of Suffering, Well of Corruption, Corrosive Poison cloud, OR Blood is Power . It’s kind of up to you on that one.
I also am geared in 100% Crafted gear, with a mix of condition an power/precision evenly.

I stand by every single word I say, an always do. dont much care if its disliked. This conversation has obviously gone as far as is going to.

I’m a little old to be exaggerating mate, an Ikittensure dont lie. I state simple facts or els I don’t talk. Now I am sure you will come out with some passive aggressive insult for this, but it wont change facts.
I hate to use the old chesnuts, but “learn to play your class, an learn how the skills work”. You then will have no problems. I have not once died because my pets were doing bad dps. SUre once in a blue moon they get hung up, but pfft, bad pathing is nothing to cry about.

I am Staff for marks.
Daggers x2 for grinding.
Usually I lay down marks around or on tooop of me, thne switch to daggers an pull them all to me.
30.30.10
“Spite”
Deaths Embrace
Training of the Master
Close to Death

“Curses”
Weakening Shroud
Hemophilia
Master of Corruption

“Death”
Minion Master

Now obviously you can chop an change these to suit, but this is for grinding in pve NOT pvp.

Does a huge amount of AOE damage.
by the way, I use “Taste of death” minion always. As well as, Well of Suffering, Well of Corruption, Corrosive Poison cloud, OR Blood is Power . It’s kind of up to you on that one.

I also am geared in 100% Crafted gear, with a mix of condition an power/precision evenly.

I am spec’d 30,30,10,0,0 I generally farm 10 mobs at once if I can get all lizards, or half a doz humanoids, if I can get all melee. 90% survival rate on any 5 fights.

PLEASE! dont dumb down the game any more than you did in beta 3 Anet. it takes less than 2 seconds to recall your pets as a necro they dont need healing skills at all.

Necro is the single toughest class in the game, able to tank/PBAOE grind 10 mobs of even con at once an chain said mobs. With no downtime. Specking for aoe (wells)(marks) an pet survivbility makes the Necro the single toughest class in the game.

There is nothing wrong with pets at all.

(Bubbles Magee Sorrows server)

PS as for pet damage LOL, they are not meant to do ALL YOUR DAMAGE, my flesh golem hits for 700 on crit. I am specked proply to take advantage of my pets toughness an lay down nearly 30k aoe dps every time.

If you are finding your pets are useless, then spec correctly to use them.I just remembered too, there is an in combat heal that can keep your pets alive for a very long time, if you know what your doing. mine ticks for 309 per tic.

Same thing is happening on all servers, sad to say it, but unless you get on top of bots straight away, you have lost the battle. The Bots are now so well entrenched, Anet will never get rid of them all. I know the program they use. It’s same one my old guild used in Ebonlore years ago, idiots like them are half of the problem in todays MMO’s.

Anet are probably swamped at moment, an as a byproduct have lost the war on stopping bots.
Warp hacks are now so widespread, that on Sorrows you can see people flicking everywhere constantly, without any fear of detection whatsoever.

Necro isnt broken. in PVE it does the best of all the classes for solo grind,explore whatever you want to do.
in pvp they are just fine. I have not seen a single bug in them so I dont know what class your playing.

darkwombat.3695:

ArenaNet might shoot themselves in the foot. A lot of new people don’t even know you can level in another zone. I have shown at least 3 people how to do this.

I can picture new players strolling into Kessex Hills at level 13 dying a lot and getting discouraged, and uninstall the game….

Nomatter what the opinions are in this thread my response is the one that matters most. The bottom line. Customers.

Trouble is with the playerbase is it has a large % of wow players, who are used to being carried an showered in road signs an held by hand to even turn round. GW2 has some wow in it (sadly) but you have to cater to the generation of the time). but it also has alot of oldschool MMO in it. This means you dont follow road signs you just log in an go do something.

As for your "opinion being the one that matters ? lol.

it is impossible to be under leveled to be honest, an yes I know you will ignore my post or respond with some abuse. But the facts are plain. Having done 4 chrs so far I can say with 100% cert that without playing alt racial zones I leveled perfectly every time. I was doing my storylines 2-3-4 levels above my level, an didn’t once need to redo other zones to catch up.

Geemo.6018:

Zerg Wars is better name for this game. Spvp all you do is zerg, zerg, and zerg some more. WvW all you do is zerg, zerg, and zerg some more. Dungeons all you do on bosses and some trash pulls is zerg, zerg, and zerg some more. Removing the Holy Trinity has created voids that are being filled with zergs…

The holy trinity as you call it, was removed many many many years ago an as such was never needed. wow made it some sort of silly idea that you had to have it when you really don’t. Zerg’s I find are only done by the impatient an greedy. I have yet to take part in one as I don’t see any need to. I earn plenty of karma even though its useless an there’s nothing to spend it on.

You can solo veteran giants so earning karma is simplicity itself.

ok two things (an I actually read your post)

1. Wow is not an “MMO” to be held up against. It is an insult to the name MMO. As such it is irrelevant to this discussion.
2. GW2 has not failed, it is a mix of oldschool MMO an todays…..shiny trough. which is all gamers seem to want anymore.

Alot of GW2 I see taken from AC an Daoc an I love it. the wow parts (community, an demands for shinys) I pretty much ignore. But the game has most definitely not failed.

It has been out less than 3 weeks. The fact you say you have gone back to wow, I don’t believe for a second or els you would not have posted here.
MMO’s (real) MMO’s were never about following a shiny path an being held by the hand, they were about going out an “doing something” That is the crossover Anet have tried to do between today’s yellow brick road of hand held follow the leader an true MMO freedom of play. I think they have done a good job all things considered.

those are bots. The level 80 zone is at least on my server “Sorrows” 1/3 bot’s. Many of which are at penitent wp.

I have given up reporting bots as the mods are either swamped or busy with other things. The same bots are in place 24/7 an have not changed in the last 7 days.