Guild Wars 2

You must accept my apologies for the somewhat redundant post, but I felt it was important that you had the opportunity to address this behaviour for yourselves. I put it into this thread initially as it seemed logical, but obviously, the other traffic is going to cause it to be buried, hence my second posting, which is where you intend to address this.

By claiming that it’s not cheating or exploiting it seems. I’m pleased that it reached your attention – hopefully the other guild leaders involved will also see it. We shall see how the discussion goes

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

Many, very interesting things…

That’s nice sweetie. I like kittens.

Completely agree, you’re absolutely right that it doesn’t pay off – but it’s the system which we’re stuck with

I wouldn’t like to hazard an amateur psychiatry guess about whether the morale damage is greater for a realm that stays put for an extended period, or for one which is on a constant rollercoaster of either cruising to victory or crashing and burning, yo-yoing between brackets.

Thanks for confirming on the DaoC RvR – I had a feeling it was server-based, but my time there was long ago. I’m sure that it had it’s own set of challenges and obstacles posed by that system too – but long-term dominance by one side could and would be combatted by the other two joining forces. The GW2 system doesn’t lend itself to such a tactic – probably deliberately – as we have the artificial confines of week-long matches and bracket promotion/demotion.

Trouble is Gahn, that doesn’t happen. Realm 3 targets Realm 2 in order to try and not get the wooden spoon. Realm 1 targets Realm 2 in order to keep them down and not relinquish the top spot. Realm 2 gets absolutely battered (or possibly kittened?) from both directions.

With the promotion/demotion mechanic, the three parties involved are incentivised to “play the points game”, rather than engage in a little “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. (My DaoC days are many, many years ago – did RvR have anything similar with level brackets for realms? I don’t recall it, but then I often struggle to remember my name these days)

Alexinho.7480:

Thwap you made my day Seriously we drakkars don’t have a real problem now, but as soon as we are promoted to a higher bracket we get kicked in the a.. because we are outnumbered…

Alexinho, I’m so glad that at least someone took my comments in the manner in which they were intended

We are pretty “aware” of the challenges that we face as a realm, in terms of numbers and brackets, pros and cons of moving – we talk about it and as people wiser than I demonstrate (Nidhogg, Roo, etc) we understand and appreciate what’s happening.

This also extends to trying to gain an understanding of our opponents – we aren’t blessed with the numbers or coverage that DL have, for example, which is why it’s funny to hear someone complain about having the means to easily steamroll one bracket, which promotes them. That impetus can’t then be maintained in the bracket above, so they get demoted. It’s akin to what Piken Square were complaining about several weeks ago when they faced us – massively superior numbers and coverage, yet they never stopped griping about queues, because they were too popular! The irony, it burns!

I am reminded of the line from Chandler in Friends, mocking Ross when he is afflicted with the choice between two women:
“Two women love me. They’re both gorgeous and sexy. My wallet’s too small for my fifties, and my diamond shoes are too tight!”

We shall no doubt see you on the battlefield. Well, culling permitting, naturally.

Knochenkult.6423:

we have lack of people aswell. when we lead (this week) the ppl come to wvw.
when they get asswhiped (last week) they mimimi and dont go wvw.

I sympathise with your pain. It must truly be an awful trial to have an endless munchkin zerg and night-capping team on call only 50% of the time. Please accept this token of one (1) Care Cup (empty) – we will be arranging a carol concert and a tombola to raise funds for you in these trying times. Stay strong.

;)

DylanLucas.6058:

Gunnars Hold is dead WvW wise. We had 10 people in the EB and they were mostly from my guild

All im gonna say......

This is absolute, pure, unadulterated nonsense. Rumours of the demise of Gunnar’s Hold WvW are, as the saying goes, greatly exaggerated

You may have been fighting with ten people, in a single map - or at least you were only aware of ten. Declaring the death of a realm based upon the population of a single map, at a single point in time, on a single night is pretty myopic.

Particularly so this evening, when one of our opponents decided to declare a "training mission" for their new WvWers and zerg-rush their way around one side of our Borderlands. Not to be outdone, our *other* opponents decided to take this opportunity to hit the other side of our map. Brave, brave souls, one and all!

I’m guessing that you didn’t fancy that particular fight then Dylanlucas? Given that our Borderlands actually had a queue at one point (albeit a very short one) you would seem to be in a minority...much fun was had, many bags were looted. Hopefully we also helped our foe in their training - highlighting in particular that if you just zerg-rush your little herd of munchkins around the map and never do anything except overwhelm towers and camps with sheer numbers, then we can, and will, recapture them pretty quickly afterwards. Thanks for stopping by!

*blows kisses*

The fight continues. Yes, against overwhelmingly large numbers at prime time, somewhat dubious tactics and night-capping all over the shop off-peak it means the scores look lopsided. See previous reasons – we’re aware of it, it’s not exactly surprising to anyone. Steps are being taken to remedy it.

So, we’re going to continue rebuilding and getting stronger. Thank you for the support. Those on the realm who stumble across this post should definitely check out the Gunnar’s Hold Community Site – Mumble is free and makes WvW a lot more fun. Oh, and organised. Yes, co-ordinated (and fun). You aren’t required to speak or even own a microphone, even being able to listen helps enormously.

Those of you not on the realm, who are looking for a home, please look beyond the twonks with an axe to grind who are trolling and unrepresentative point totals – come and talk to us. GH isn’t full of bandwagon-jumpers or prima donna muppets flouncing around with their frocks over their heads if they don’t get to rofflestomp their way to victory – we’re a community.