Guild Wars 2

same here. Sometimes it can go to 2k ping then drop back down to 200. Almost unplayable

It depends entirely on you. If you like the skin (after all legends are just another weapon skin) and you know for certain you will not regret it, then it is worth it.

What others thinks is irrelevant because as you said it is a lot of work – if you feel its worth it then it is a nice long term goal to work towards; if not don’t bother.

Hammersmash Ureface.2650:

smitske.4912:

funkyazn.9062:

Changeling Dash.4782:

Jski.6180:

So i am going to link this its fun to play with but when you use it ask your self how much is it to make a game or expatiation now becuse this is just inflation only. I like to bring up the ideal of if needed goods and services go up in price then non-needed goods and services should go up too. Its nice to live in a dream world where prices never changes but they do and entertainment tends to changes much faster then needed items. I would not be shocked at one point we will see games nearing the 100$ ranges as they are now (system games).

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

What, just tell me what exactly preventing Anet from somehow rewarding existing community by something ingame?
Like if:
- New players get GW2 + HotT
- Old players get HotT + 1000 gems + character slot

Both groups are happy. Everyone celebrating.
But instead, they just ignored old community. I can understand opinion “It costs 50$, i agree”, even if i don’t think so, but i can’t approve ignoring old players at all.

Hell, I would be content if we just get a release date. Doing things like awarding with gems or character slot or wtv the hell vets or new players want is probably too hard for Anet to think about. Ever since this whole debacle started, the community have been posting all kinds of solutions which some sounds a bit too much and some actually solves the problem IMO. But for some reason, the power that be at Anet cannot figure out a solution is beyond me. Are they too far up their own hype train to even comprehend of the damage they collect by not saying anything of substance? Poor Gaile must be tossing back and forth to keep things calm.

Guess we’ll see how this plays out in a couple of days. *They can’t ignore this for too long. *

They are trying too.
In all fairness they should have known because from the release onward people have been saying give a character slot with it. Its just typical Anet they ‘listen’ to what the community says (they added the slot on a more expensive pack) but ignore most of it and just remember 2/3 words, then interpret it the way they want and completely miss the point the community was making (another example the big trait changes they did in the past, they took part of what the communtiy said and then did it completely wrong in their own interpretation).

aNet already has the broader community exactly here they want them. This is pure sharking here. Instead of scratching their heads and wond’ring aloud about why we don’t get 2 slots with standard like we did with EoTN, the community seems to be almost unanimously begging for just one slot. Anything’s better than nothing right?

Right where they want us.

It’s almost certain that any compromise on their behalf will be to the approximate value of one measly slot. Mission complete for the anet marketers. Sell us less for more and make us forever breathe a sigh of relief that they met us half way.

Your theory (tin-foil hats on) sounds good but its a double edge sword don’t you think? I don’t think kittening off your customers then giving the bare minimum to placate them works every time…

Spartacus.9743:

Getefix.9150:

RabbitUp.8294:

DevilLordLaser.8619:

GW2 released with five character slots and eight professions.

There’s nobody who bought GW2 and couldn’t play all classes. Even if they couldn’t have one character of each class at the same time, they still had access to each one of them, up to 5 different at the same time.

With HoT, there are several people who cannot access Revenant at all, unless they buy an additional slot.

they have access to it… if they buy the xpack, they gain the ability to make a revenant

The concept is really simple: Revenant is one of the major features, so when i buy HoT i should be able to install it and play every feature the xpac has, included the new class…
It’s called: you buy something, you have something (simple market concept)
What they have done instead is: you buy something, but for having 1/5 of this something you have to pay more…

Yeah, exactly. You pay $50 for the expansion to play the new class – you should be able to play it out of the box. Not to go in and facepalm yourself after you found out you ran out of character slots and have to whip out your credit card again.

Breaking Bad.6241:

If you go to McDonalds and they say the cheeseburger is 20 dollars would you buy it? No? Why, you can save up 20 bucks in no time! Don’t be so cheap!

Seriously, the issue is not that people can’t afford the expansion. The issue is that it’s value might or might not be justified. I work a mediocre job and can afford the Ultimate no problem, but here’s what’s actually stopping me from preorder:

1. It’s too long overdue. My guild is barely active and I myself lost pretty much all interest in the game in the past 6-8 months.

2. The stubborn refusal from Anet to include proven, loved and desired game modes such as Guild vs Guild, Hall of Heroes, Underworld, Fissure of Woe, Elite Missions, Alliance Battles, Fort Aspenwood, etc. Heck, they wouldn’t even re-add stuff that’s already made and the community loved such as the Marionette, The Scarlet ship breach, the Molten Facility dungeon (the fractal doesn’t count).

3. We don’t know what the new maps will be like but chances are they will be similar to Dry Top and the Silverwastes. In other words, really good for the first dozen of playthroughs until you realize you need to run them hundreds and hundreds of times to beat the rng and get the reward you want. Plus, the emphasis on gimmicks such as gliding and mushroom jumping is not my cup of tea.

4. The lack of character slot in the Standard edition is a really low move. They know PERFECTLY well that the majority of people will have to buy a slot to play the new class thus giving them more cash.

5. No info on new dungeons? Seriously? But every week there is a new outfit, mini or magic carpet.

Of course there are lots of positives as well. Finally, conditions will be viable, the elite specs look tasty, the environment looks as gorgeous as ever, Stronghold, while not being as good as Fort Aspenwood IMO still seems like a fun mode, the new WvW map on paper looks really intriguing, etc.

So yeah, 50 dollars is not too much, just have to see if it’s justified.

Well spoken. Very good point

One (1) activation code. Yes, you are being kittened

oh by the way, character slots sold separately

CrashTestAuto.9108:

I think the bigger misstep in marketing was the lack of character slot. It’s basically a neon sign saying “We’re really greedy and will squeeze you for every penny we can!”

its called hint hint for $25 more you can get a character slot and some other sweets thrown into it – effectively raising the price of the expansion to $75 since the standard package is useless to current players.

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

serenke.4806:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

Sold Out.7625:

Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

You’re not paying for the core game and neither are new players. It is offered as freebie while everyone still needs to pay $50 for the expansion.

Where can I, as a current player, claim this said freebie?

You don’t need it to access the expansion, you already have access to the core game.

But it’s a freebie offered to anyone who pays $50! At least give me a new serial code for a new account! Why the distinction?

If you are so inclined to have the freebie purchase the expansion for a new account and you will have access to the core game + expansion on it.

There. I rest my case.

serenke.4806:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

Sold Out.7625:

Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

You’re not paying for the core game and neither are new players. It is offered as freebie while everyone still needs to pay $50 for the expansion.

Where can I, as a current player, claim this said freebie?

You don’t need it to access the expansion, you already have access to the core game.

But it’s a freebie offered to anyone who pays $50! At least give me a new serial code for a new account! Why the distinction?

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

Sold Out.7625:

Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

You’re not paying for the core game and neither are new players. It is offered as freebie while everyone still needs to pay $50 for the expansion.

Where can I, as a current player, claim this said freebie?

nerevar.6247:

Uproller.1849:

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

Sold Out.7625:

Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

No, you don’t get it. Everyone is still paying $50 dollars for the expansion.

No. You don’t. Current players are paying $50 for the expansion and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the core game.

There is a difference.

Guhracie.3419:

Don’t forget precursor crafting. That’s a feature of the expansion, too.

which should be in the vanilla game 3 years ago, but now they are selling it to us for 50 bucks

nerevar.6247:

stof.9341:

Sold Out.7625:

Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

New players will also have to drop $20 for Season 2 pack if they want to play through it and won’t be able to relive the living content that most of us veterans were able to play through. Also the core game is F R E E with the expansion. If you already own the core game it doesn’t effect your just paying for the expansion while the core game is F R E E for those you don’t have it, but y’know a SMALL amount of people will complain when they don’t get something free.

You just don’t get it. To current players, they are paying $50 for the expansion; and new players are paying $50 for the expansion and the free core game. Why such disparity exists is beyond me.

It doesn’t matter the core is free or not; it certainly isn’t free for us and we’re paying the same price as the new players and getting half of the package.

stof.9341:

Sold Out.7625:

Because THIS IS THE EXPANSION PRICE. Live with it. You don’t pay more for the Core game. But reading is hard, I know.

This isn’t a matter of “this is the price” or not. It’s a matter of doing it in a way that doesn’t result in kittenstorms on the internet. ANet is notoriously bad at that.

It’s a matter of perception. I know that perception is very subjective but as I said, manipulating and predicting percetion is part of the job ANet should be doing.

In this case, the perception is that :
- I’m a veteran player, I paid I don’t know how much for the game and currently you can get it for as low as $20 if you do it smartly. I can let that slide since everything lowers in price over time
- The expansion comes out and costs me $50
- The expansion has one of the major features be a new class and it’ll cost me $10 more to play it cause … my char slots are maxed for some strange reason

So, as a veteran, I feel like I’ll have after the HoT purchase spent $80 to get the game, while new players will have spent $50 for more or less the same value. Yes I know it’s not the same thing, those $80 gave me one extra char slot etc… But it’s perception. And the perception currently is that I’ll have to spend $30 more than new players to enjoy HoT.

This is too much plain and simple. Hence the complaints. What ANet should have done is throw us virtual bones that are more or less worthless but shift the value perception to a point where nobody complains. The easiest would be to give a free chat slot to players that already own the core game. It’s shift the value perception by a whole $20 back.

Sums up the saga really well. All anet has to do was to change their wording here and there and throw in some sweets for current players and everyone will be throwing their 50 dollar bills without complaining.

It’s not the pricing that is problematic – its how people perceive that they are getting the shorter end of the stick as compared to a new player.

Yeah. their marketing tactics is all but a train wreck.

mrstealth.6701:

Shadelang.3012:

Lets take a look at what existing players are getting coming with the expansion for free…..Pretty much everything that isn’t directly related to PvE….. (wvw changes. TPvP changes. both are completely 100% free and available to everyone…they didn’t have to be.)

If wvw changes weren’t “free to everyone”, they’d have to split wvw into 2 separate communities/set of servers. That isn’t really a viable option. So that did have to be free.

Yeah, as if they are not getting enough flak already. They wouldn’t want the WvW community to join in the fun

serialkicker.5274:

And no, extra character slot won’t do it. Not for everyone. It might be a deal maker for those that really need it for revenant, but many people including myself are perfectly fine with character slots (already bought few of them). So again, slapping character slot as extra doesn’t make any difference for me, because it would be useless for me, so yeah I’m in a camp “no way I’m paying 50 bucks for expansion”.
Simply lower the price for those that already own core game, I don’t want any extras to justify 50 bucks tag, because I will get whatever extra I want from gem store if I want, when I want.

Thing is the $50 price pill is a bitter one to swallow – and the least anet can do it to sweeten it for everyone – not just for the new players who seems to get all the attention.

Right now there’s nothing in it for the current players and that is why everyone is rioting. If it includes one character slot for the current players – sure some may say meh, but they won’t be running to grab their pitchforks.

Dott.5672:

What the expansion entails that people who don’t buy it won’t get:
-New area
-New class
-Mordremoth boss fight

I’m not paying 45 euros for that. kitten that.

What if the new area is the best farming spot you can ever get? Surely that will get everyone excited

Substance E.4852:

Technically the trait revamp isn’t part of the xpac and I’m 99.9% certain the WvW update won’t be either.

Imagine the horror if WvW update requires HoT. the lower tiers will see no activity since their already small group is further sub-divided.

Pre-orders are killing the industry as a whole – stop doing it

Now that they released it it’s hard to undo it since people already brought it and they cannot change it without getting flak from both sides.

Quintuplebeta.3914:

I think with all the flakk they are getting they will make a slightly discounted version for people who already have the game.

They cannot. If not the people who just brought it will start to riot and its even more rioting

$50 for the expansion*

*character slots sold separately

Jski.6180:

Ashen.2907:

Isn’t $40 – $50 pretty normal for an MMO expansion ?

It is ppl just want it for free.

Nice strawman. Well played.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Uproller.1849:

Why are current players paying as much as the new players? New players get core game AND the expac while the current players get kittened for having to pay the same price while getting half of the package?

My guess is to attract new players as it was announced at E3. People are always claiming the game population is dying. Well one way to help with that is to find a way to attract new customers with some extra bonuses for buying the game.

But they can do that without kittening their current playerbase

Why are current players paying as much as the new players? New players get core game AND the expac while the current players get kittened for having to pay the same price while getting half of the package?

No. Please god no. This will throw the gold → gem exchange into chaos

Wait what… $50?

-rubs eyes-

People who brought gw2 during a sale will not feel good buying this because the freaking full game is cheaper than the expansion

Graybes.8251:

Anchoku.8142:

Depends upon the player. Chasing world events is grinding for loot. The servers are combined, now, so there are almost always enough people on the map even if there may be fewer players grinding.

Are there certain world bosses that people tend to do more than others? Teq seems like a big thing. There were tons of people when I did it before. Is it because of the rewards you can get from Teq? Does he drop certain things?

For a few minutes of your time, teq gives out 3 guaranteed rares and 2 gold provided you haven’t killed him since daily reset, so it is very profitable.

All I see is you gambled, and you lost. Now you’re crying.

Meanwhile, others struggle to even get their first precursor, while you cry when you got 3, and decided to get greedy.

this is bringing the meaning of immediate response force (zerg) into a whole new level. any keep under attack? no problem, the whole map will port to the commander at a moments notice to defend.

i would like an invite, NA server

hi returning player would like a new guild since my old one is dead

I agree with this, really spoils the environment – especially so in cities where there is a lot of npcs.

My new look… for now at least

any chance of a tl;dr version?

If you’re going to complain about complainers and somehow feel empowered to ask them to bug off, at least know the difference between “your” and “you’re” in your thread title.

And your point is?

Get an i7 3770k with a ROG mobo to play this game? You know if everyone can get it, they will get it – they don’t need you to state the obvious.

First, a cut scene, now 20 slots bags and a chance for a precursor… well what’s next.

Why did I even pay for this game if my timezone is working against me. Anet, don’t even market your game here if you’re not even going to cater for them.

Down with the 1%!

i have nothing but absolute disgust for this event

I just found an overflow with the event running only to get this kitten crash

and it seems the event is over for good. excellent.

You mean you can kite mobs in orr without triggering even more kitten mobs for you to kite?