this is funny
most of arguments are about:
1. Thief can run away whenever they want to
sure.. cry all you want.. that’s a thief for you.. don’t expect everyone will just stay and fight a boring fight till opponent die…
2. this that so op
we gotta lose other stuffs in exchange for it (high dmg = low health)
3. stealth is breaking the game
fix the culling first then argue later
4. best mobility
quit it.. it made me laugh… totally ignored warriors and elementalists
5. high survival chance
quit it… most thieves are glass cannon.. if they spec’d out for survival.. they’ll lose dmg in exchange
so what im seeing in this thread:
It’s okay for warrior and guard to cast stability and stomp
it’s okay for haste stomping
it’s okay this and that
but it’s not okay for stealth stomping…
such a joke.
let me tell you
stability can’t be stopped, stealth can easily be stop by knock them back/pull them away or even aoe the area… im sure no thief would be stupid enough to get that one stomp in exchange for his/her own life.. .
and downed state is a death door…
what more is shadow refuge is 60 secs cooldown… yeah… 60 secs to be able to stomp somebody… OP!
thief was pretty balanced imo
it’s just the bad players complain too much to the point that it gets nerf’d
i do agree that nerfing backstab in spvp/tpvp but in normal/wvwvw is just plainly stupid. (beside, thief is pretty squishy, so what do we have to compensate it? well Damage output/burst? if you change that, i’d rather roll a warrior instead.
PVE aside, but wvwvw, it was designed for group play, not solo, so you can’t complain about being killed if you’re alone, especially to a stealth class
i do agree that need to fix a lot of things in wvwvw due to the fact that a lot of keeps/towers, thief can just teleport inside with shortbow’s 5th skill
for stealth capping, it’s all about tactic, ever heard of “buying time”? just complainers gonna complain
let’s see
1. DD+SB (viable)
2. DD+PP(only newbs use, once you’re get used to the game, almost no one use this build)
3. DD+SD(hardly see anyone use it cuz it’s “almost impossible to use both” due to initiatives thief has
4. DD+DD(uber dumb)
5. DD+SP(same reason as above)
6. SD+SB (viable)
7. SD+PP(same as 2)
8. SD+SD(uber dumb)
9. SD+SP(dumb)
10. SP+SB(viable)
11. SP+PP(same as 2 and 7)
13. SP+SP(uber dumb)
14. PD + SB (never seen this build)
15. PD + SP (never seen this build)
16. PD + DP(never seen this build)
17. PD + SD(same as 11)
18. PD + PD (uber dumb)
i narrowed down all the builds for you
only THREE builds a decent thief would roll.
1. DD + SB
2. SD + SB
3. SP + SB
tell me how thief have viable of builds pls?
This is your personal opinion, I’m not arguing about opinions, starting from the fact that you dumped all the P/P sets.
By the way, 3 viable builds are still above average among all professions.
above average?
im not trying to defend a class but lol above average to all?
stealth is all a thief have, take away stealth, what does that make them?
thief might has easy time kill glass cannon classes, but if you put some toughness to your gears, what can they do to you, but run away after failed to kill you
let’s see
1. DD+SB (viable)
2. DD+PP(only newbs use, once you’re get used to the game, almost no one use this build)
3. DD+SD(hardly see anyone use it cuz it’s “almost impossible to use both” due to initiatives thief has
4. DD+DD(uber dumb)
5. DD+SP(same reason as above)
6. SD+SB (viable)
7. SD+PP(same as 2)
8. SD+SD(uber dumb)
9. SD+SP(dumb)
10. SP+SB(viable)
11. SP+PP(same as 2 and 7)
13. SP+SP(uber dumb)
14. PD + SB (never seen this build)
15. PD + SP (never seen this build)
16. PD + DP(never seen this build)
17. PD + SD(same as 11)
18. PD + PD (uber dumb)
i narrowed down all the builds for you
only THREE builds a decent thief would roll.
1. DD + SB
2. SD + SB
3. SP + SB
tell me how thief have viable of builds pls?
Sure you do that. Stealth in this game is just dumb. No timer, you can stealth anytime, nothing stop stealth , nothing knock people out of stealth . Imaging if warrior had an ability that let them hit you and get invulnerable for 3 secs with no cool down. Even if that was the case I still rather fight a warrior. In that case I can at least keep my target on him and chase him down or back away.
This is a typical post from a typical player who doesn’t understand the game mechanics. Play a Thief to ~ level 30 and get your learn on, it will help you fight them.
If you aren’t willing to learn the mechanics of the other professions to PvP against them, then you honestly don’t have anything to complain about.
You are a typical player who plays a typical thief who doesn’t know the potential of your own class. I have no problem with 90% of the thieves out there thank god they are bad like you. But the few who does know the class and ‘abuse’ stealth is just dumb. But you would have a clue what I’m talking about anyway.
So you are complaining about someone being skilled with there class and you didn’t like it/or got owned? I can say the same about every class when the player is very skilled with it.
I’m saying stealth is dumb. It’s NOT FUN to fight someone you can’t target for 1/2 the fight. I’m saying give thieve more stuff if they have to but fix stealth. I just want 10 secs of fight time between each stealth , heck give me 5 I’d be happy.
No, I enjoy it more when the thief is visible and I can hit him. BUT…
Its not fun to hit an illusion rather then the real mesmer
Its not fun to hit a Guardian that heals through everything
Its not fun to hit a ranger underwater
etc. etc.
Thieves have stealth, its their thing, same as us mesmers have illusions. Take stealth away from thieves and what do you have left? a bunch of high DPS fellows with a suspicious taste in leather clothing.
1v1 I expect a thief to have the advantage, stealth is part of that. Their stealth doesnt help them much in the larger scale battles where you are as likely to die by accident then by targetted fire.
Im not a thief, Im a mesmer.
let me add
it’s not fun to hit a guardian or warrior when you deal ZERO dmg to them
it’s not fun to hit a necro when he/she used the defensive buff
it’s not fun to hit an engineer when he has all his turrets around him
and overall
complain about a player you can’t target 1/2 of the fight is stupid.
stealth is what they have, the only thing that they can rely on in fight, knock them, pull them out of stealth, what can they do?
also it doesn’t mean you can’t ground target
also you made yourself sound like one of those players who stand-still and wait to be stabbed.
Really? Just search on youtube “backstab thief” and you’ll see an huge amount of 20k+ bursts in sPvP/tPvP.
Here’s one I’ve randomly found using that query and looking for most recent videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvH9IA97bzw
You have watched this video? In this video a glass cannon thief doesn’t hit more than 6K/7K and you wrote is simple to find a thief that hit hard for 20k?
It is impossible for a thief land a backstab for 20K NOW. Only on bunnies.
actually any class can hit bunnies for ~100k + poor bunnies
You very explicitly said that CnD spam was unfair. I gave ways around it. SERIOUSLY, If a thief is stealth “half the fight” its your fault. Without hitting you, he can’t stop spamming a stealth combo which involves pistol/SB and leaves him vulnerable every time he fires it off. There is no sure-fire safe way to perma stealth and if you think there is .. do what we’ve all said. go play a thief for 30 levels and figure it out
Also, if he keeps “running away and coming back” then you clearly are alone, which isn’t the intention of wvw anyway. If your in a group, he will take fire ANY time he gets close enough to attack and then run away.
>>>>>>>>>>>
Seriously how many times do you think I can dodge in a fight? I have to save dodge for when he try to backstab me. CND is just one skill that have no real delay in animation how in the hell do you think people can time dodge for when a thief uses cnd? CND has no cooldown as long as the thief have ini he can use it. Even if I manage to dodge one he can use it again .
As for alone in WvW , yes I was alone. I like to roam by myself. If WvW was all zerg then you have never played a real rvr game and most likely you have no idea what I’m talking about anyway. Guards can be soloed and supply camps can be soloed why would I zerg when I can have way more fun solo? Roaming wvw is the hardest part of the game you have to deal with bad odds all the time which requires a lot of planing and gear and skill. Other roamer in wvw are some of the best players you’ll ever see anywhere.
same back to you
just how many times do you think a thief can CnD, Ini needs recharge too yo.
your one-sided view bored me.
The real issue behind the skill was that there were a few skilled and creative thief players that figured out ways to min/max stats to maximize burst (forget the fact it was based around a 40 second cd). Their builds became the flavor of the month and 3/5 thieves in pvp were using them.
This led to a horrendous amount of QQ on the pvp forums from every one else mad that thieves were constantly killing them in less than two seconds. Despite the moderate init cost of pistol whip, the 40 second cool down on quickness, no endurance after the burst, and having only 11k health. They were to over powered.
So, instead of leaving it alone and letting people figure out how to defend and counter the skill (As Anet was infamous for in GW with Iway, earth spike, air spike, discord, trappers, curse spam), the designers just decided to cut the thief professions balls off, then take a baseball bat to their knees, then break their thumbs.
The problem with kittening the class beyond the point of uselessness…people never figured out how to handle stuns on reaction, they never learned to use defensive skills on reaction, then never learned to capitalize on a helpless opponent after a failed or denied burst.
The creative players are still there. They will keep finding ways to min/max traits and skills to achieve < 3 second kills. They will put those builds online and they will become new flavor builds. And the people that use them will continue to dominate the players that expect nerfs instead of learning and getting better at their class.
What I am curious to see is that when the time comes to nerf 100b because a vast majority of players are abusing it, if Anet tells players to learn to deal with it or if they give it the thief treatment. For some reason I expect the former.
same reason why i was curious about players standing in one place waiting for a thief to backstab you.
lol
I don’t suppose you’ve ever heard of the ‘dodge’ button? Or perhaps the ‘blind’, ‘immobilize’, ‘cripple’, or ‘chill’ effects? How about ‘blowback’? Surely you have a couple of these available to you? Seriously, do you not know anything about how thief works? If they are stealthing for “1/2 the fight” then you’re clearly doing something wrong and if your not, that means they burnt a LOT of their trait points and select-skills on stealthing, which means they will probably not be able to kill you.
Holes; Your argument has a lot of them.
exactly my thought…
people just don’t learn the mechanics of the game~
im sure ALL classes have something to counter, stun, slow, stealth, DODGE…
oh sorry, i think im wasting my time since 90% of them just stand there waiting to be stabbed in the back.
lets me add something you should know
Warrior’s kill shot:
Ready, take aim, FIRE, you’re downed from a far distance bro and might take 2 others standing behind with you. and you don’t even know if it was coming at you or someone else.
in a messy fight, a warrior can just stand in a distance and just start sniping randomly.
meanwhile, as for thief, they need to choose a target (one that’s a lil far from the zerg group, your fault!) to hit and run. If he/she chooses the one in the zerg group, ~ chance that they can’t execute the stealth in time or can’t escape due to aoe stun from ele or aoe’d to dead.
I don’t suppose you’ve ever heard of the ‘dodge’ button? Or perhaps the ‘blind’, ‘immobilize’, ‘cripple’, or ‘chill’ effects? How about ‘blowback’? Surely you have a couple of these available to you? Seriously, do you not know anything about how thief works? If they are stealthing for “1/2 the fight” then you’re clearly doing something wrong and if your not, that means they burnt a LOT of their trait points and select-skills on stealthing, which means they will probably not be able to kill you.
Holes; Your argument has a lot of them.
exactly my thought…
people just don’t learn the mechanics of the game~
im sure ALL classes have something to counter, stun, slow, stealth, DODGE…
oh sorry, i think im wasting my time since 90% of them just stand there waiting to be stabbed in the back.
BG is being attacked by JQ while BG is attacking SBI —→ JQ and SBI are teaming up!
JQ is being attacked by SBI while JQ is attacking BG --→ BQ and SBI are teaming up!
SBI is being attacked by JQ while SBI is attacking BG —→ BG and JQ are teaming up!
to all trashtalkers:
one thing i would like to say
don’t get your hope up just because this week was basically “Halloween event” week, just because you won this week, doesn’t mean you’d do the same next week
a lot of people were devote themselves to running madking dungeons for exotics…
heck, the first day act 3 came out, couple hours later, BlackGate took over almost everything, and there were no queue at all on any wvw maps…
lately it’s getting harder and harder to get into WvWvW maps, especially Eternal Battleground
so here’s a suggestion, it might help
Kick those who died(with a timer, lets say 5 minutes, if no one res him/her) out of WvWvW and replace it with next queue.
I have a small guild, just 4 people so we can get guild vault to share items
however, we want to server transfer
and i want to know if i transfer, will we able to use guild vault even though we’re on different server?
one thing i want to add
people refuse to learn new thing but fixate on something that’s benefit them
GW2 dungeons can be a frustration, but they are doable
in the end, either this game isn’t for you, or you’re just bad.
=D I remembered this in a certain game
best moment: I was an archer, joined with a guild dungeon run
Boss fight: target on boss, leave the computer, go grab food, turn on tv, time xx mins later, come back… moving on!
1. Mailbox is fine. Grab items, read, delete.
2. Why not just add scrimmaging like they had in GW1, only for unranked tournament PvP.
3. Obvious, known bug.
4. Absolutely no point in this.
5. Again, obvious, known bug.
6. Why?
7. Because you can’t already party and then select a server that fits you all? Wait…
8. No. What would be the point?
Oh, and 9. No, gold sinks exist for a reason, they need to be there.
1. you sir, some mails are meant to be saved.
2. i dont mind
3. i clearly said “need to fix”
4. you’re one boring person, sir.
5. and it is a bug
6. again sir, you’re boring.
7. what are you saying sir.
8. the point is to inform players there will be a maintenance on its way!
9. I didn’t say to completely take away the fee, just give a time limit for full refund sir.
oh and 10, if you answer like 4 & 6, you’re one boring person sir.
2. Anet has stated previously they do not want duels (at least in PvE) but it would be nice if we could use duels for actual practice in sPvP since you can only test normal skill damage on the golems, and how to dodge, and group combat/fields on the the lord/svanir/profession npcs.
thus the reason why a lot of people want duel system
9. If you canceled an item that you were selling on Trading Post, Please allow FULL REFUND!
^ this stink, even in Reallife if you return any item, you would get full refund…
What would be the purpose of the fee then? This fee help avoid the AH from being filled with trash since there’s an actual penalty for placing an item there. Just fill the AH with expensive trash until you get tired and remove it.
My counter recommendation would be “Keep the Fee”
well, i understand the fee thing
but at least do it like, if you cancel an item during a given amount of time(let’s say 20 mins) after you post it up, you will get full refund?
1. Expand the mailbox(10 is not enough =\)
2. Allow Duel
3. “REFRESH” in Trading Post doesn’t work, need to fix
4. “PREVIEW” button in Trading post
5. Sometimes you can’t represent a guild, let’s say you’re in 3 guilds. however, 1 out of 3 you can “Stand Down” and “Represent” anytime, anywhere you want, but the other 2, in order to “Represent”, you gotta move to Lion’s Arch in order to do so, which is a lil annoying
6. optional more commands <3
7. Beside Tournament, allow Party members to be in same Team as you in SPVP
8. Last but not least <3 yet easiest to do, Announce players upcoming UPDATES like 12-24hrs ahead instead of doing it after the update
I’m not complain about the difficulty of dungeons of any kind…
but the reward is stupid. So if i run the same dungeon the 4th time, lets say CoF, I only get 2s and some coppers as reward?
if with such reward, it’s better with just do some events..
I know some would still run exp mode for gears, but do you consider the story mode? the repair money? at least give reward enough for people to repair at least once
SOOO
did you fix the “Bombs collect” part?
sometimes Magg stands too far from the “original” spot (which is close to the first bomb) … that’s fine.. but if you fail the first time, it’ll be bugged. You can’t start over, can’t talk to him.
+ I don’t mind the change.. it’s still easy.. but hating on the reducing rewards
