Guild Wars 2

Khristophoros.7194:

Quarktastic.1027:

Khristophoros.7194:

Quarktastic.1027:

Khristophoros.7194:

There is nothing fun about this fight. I’ve been rolling it way too often lately. It’s gotten to the point that every time I think about playing fractals I expect to roll this fight.

I rarely die on this fight. It’s just that for some reason it’s really annoying and exhausting.

I feel like the imbued shaman is worse, though that may be because I’ve had more groups fail at the shaman than Mai Trin.

I love Imbued Shaman and I cannot remember the last time I had a group wipe on it. The secret is necromancer dominates that fight.

I’ve never had a group above scale 30 that didn’t wipe at least once on the shaman. And how does a necromancer dominate that fight?

Lots of sustain with siphons and shroud
Well of Power turns Burning into Aegis, Immobilize into Swiftness
Well of Darkness shuts down the adds (though I don’t bring it usually)
Dagger+horn breaks down the shield fast
AoE damage (Well of Suffering, Shroud 4 and 5, staff marks) helps people rally off the adds
Transfusion can be nice, but I really prefer Vampiric Rituals

I dunno somehow this doesn’t look like a convincing list of reasons, but I never have groups wipe on this boss and I only play my necro. And yes I usually play 30+.

It also helps to know the strategy of this fight really well I guess. I always tell my groups to stop DPSing if anyone is down/dead, make sure we clear all the adds, and rez everyone between phases. But mostly I don’t have to do any of that because I tear down the shield quickly and then I kill the adds and anyone who happens to go down will rally off the adds.

I found that epidemic clears the adds much quicker than well of darkness. I usually tell my group to ignore the adds and light up the boss for me.

Oh look, the full extended undead petting zoo. Now we’re getting closer to the original feel of the Necro in GW1.

Nothing irks me more during a hard fight when I look over and my minions are having a tea party in the flowers. More than I care to count, I either have to go in a downed state or die before they come up, “Hey bra, need some help?” That’s why I stopped using the Flesh Golem because he is more than useless. His charge has such a long cool down rate, that I’m better off using some other elite skill. Also, I noticed last night that the Bone Minion kept falling back like he’s under attack. Every time I go check on him, he’s just sitting there happily destroying crates. (Too bad I was fighting kraits at the time. I could have used him.)

I’m now scared of tp’ing to Prospect Valley because about half the time it puts me inside the waypoint. (Probably, more accurately, it puts the player inside the vine.) Also, there’s a hole in the rocks next to it, that once you fall in, you have to tp to get back out.

I agree. The elementalist Ward Against Melee and mesmer imagined burden were two of my favorites. I don’t see why that couldn’t have been brought over.

I don’t buy keys for Black Lion Chests because the rewards are not worth it, they still refuse to have a native Linux client, and gambling using real money is illegal in my state.

I quit playing for over a year because it was impossible to play when it took 15 minutes to cross the traders forum in Lion’s Arch, before the destruction that is. I’ve been using Linux exclusively for years and refuse to let Windows anywhere near my computer. As far as I’m concerned, it’s persona non grata. Some have suggested to just buy a copy of Windows and go on with my day. That’s simply not something I’m willing to do. Yes, I know there’s other ways to acquire a copy, but honestly I don’t even think it’s worth pirating. (Windows did lose all of my data when it so graciously allowed a website’s PHP script download an .exe file and blow away my partition tables before I had a chance to stop it, after all.)

Now that we have the Steam client for Linux as well as other developers joining every day, I have amassed a nice collection of games. I’ve come back to Guild Wars 2 for the past few weeks and it seems that nothing has changed, except now I have no clue what people are talking about when they mention Scarlet, the Aetherblade, the Zephyrites, etc. I made a conscious decision to no longer financially support any game that does not offer a Linux version, or at minimum, verify that it can actually run well under Wine. (Although, a native version is preferred.)

We Linux users should face facts though. ANet will not make a native version, no matter how much we want them to. Numerous other threads spanning over a year with not so much as a “get stuffed” from the developers is our answer. Guild Wars 1 has been out for awhile and the “official” position is that it works well enough under Wine, so just use that.

If the developers ever open this thread — here’s something to think about: The more money I spend in Steam means less potential money I have to spend in the gem store. It also means that the more native versions I have, I won’t have a need to buy your next expansion pack.

I’m done with GW2 until after the New Year, although, I’m afraid if they plan to have a Canthan New Year event in February. What’s planned for that? Kuunavang strafing LA / starter zones?

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

The presents inside the box work the same way that resource nodes do. Everyone can loot them. The major difference is that they disappear shortly after they appear. This may lend to the perception that someone else has taken the present, but I can assure that this has not actually happened.

The trick or treat bags that came out of the haunted doors worked the same way, but no one complained because those doors were prone to zerging.

You also didn’t have your entire player base tied up in Fractals at the time of the Halloween event, either.

I’m to the point where I’m tempted to log out until after the new year. What fresh bag of hell will they throw at us next?

You thought the dolls were bad, try the golems. There’s been several times when I have lost control of my character for somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds. They pump one disable ability after another. I’ve even sat back and watched them go after several waves of risen without dying.

kenshinakh.3672:

I’m pretty sure they read these and consider it. But that’s not going to make them suddenly popup and say they have a set date to get this done. There’s probably a lot more things they’re focusing their developing on than making GW2 for Linux.

Like.. what RNG chest they’re going to come out with next?

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marnick.4305:

I know Chrome and Android is based on Linux, but the reason for that is because Chrome isn’t an OS developing company but rather an advertisement company. Google is known to allow their employees free time to program joke projects. Some of those become good, most fail. Gmail and Android happened to be joke projects that had potential, but all those other projects, you never heard of.

WRONG! Gosh, where to begin?

Chrome is a web browser. You’re thinking of Google Chrome OS, which is based on Linux, not Android.

You’re right — Chrome isn’t a development company. It is developed by Google.

Gmail wasn’t developed as part of an employee’s 20% time. It was initially created as an internal company email client and vast amount of resources were put into it.

Android was created by Android, Inc., not Google. Google purchased Android, Inc. in 2005 as a calculated tactic to move into the mobile phone market. The thought at that time was they should diversify the company and not have ads be the only / major source of revenue.

The only thing I mean with “joke” is that it’s not intended to earn you money. Please understand that. Developing for Linux can be good because it deepens knowledge of your software and the machines it runs on, but only the largest companies have the ability to earn money on Linux. Because of that, a Linux client for GW2 by default would be an implementation that’d cost Arena.net more money than it’d ever make through Linux clients.

I’m honestly shocked to hear you say this, because from the rest of your comments, one could be mistaken that you believe Linux is an object of derision. What do you mean by “joke”? You’ve used it several times, so it’s obvious to anyone what you really think of it. Why is it so hard for you to say, “It’s a great operating system, but it’s not for me”?

Developing for any computer will teach you about the internals of the computer, but saying only large companies have the ability to earn money on Linux is a false comparison. A quick Google search for “linux small business” pulls up over 60 million hits.

Every time the Humble Indie Bundle offers a package, Linux users come out at the same levels, or more, as Mac users. They pay, sometimes, twice as much as the average Windows user.

http://cheesetalks.twolofbees.com/humble/

There is an untapped market there, but the reason most companies don’t develop is that they are too used to Windows and still buy into the myth that there are only a handful of Linux users worldwide.

The choice being made is in the following: a 15 years old newbie installs Linux because it’s cool to hate Windows. His GW2 doesn’t work and he buggers support. The time it takes to solve his problem, could be used to check 20 hacked account tickets. Which path should a.net take? Even if I personally wanted to support the rare Linux question I get, I simply wouldn’t have time for that.

Seriously? You’re going there?? Not everyone who uses Linux is a 15 year old kid who ditches their homework for the lulz. (That’s not to say there aren’t 15 year old kids who use Linux, whom I am sure are quite amazing students!) As it is rather difficult to buy a computer pre-built without paying the “Microsoft Tax”, I would venture a guess and say that most, if not all, users halfway know what they are getting into.

What if the choice were the user who has a number of gaming consoles and spends quite a bit of money in a year on video games? Myself, I have bought every single Humble Indie Bundle solely on the fact that they offer Linux games. (In fact, between different deals, I’ve bought World of Goo three times just because I want to support the developer. I give the extra copy to a friend.) I’ve bought Pneumbra, Amnesia, Left 4 Dead and Portal 2, all on the mention there were native Linux clients or will soon be. This is not meant to brag, but to show that even someone who hasn’t run Windows at home in over 10 years, buys video games. How can anet afford not to support Linux?

I’m glad I’m not your customer. From how hostile I’m sure you are to your Linux users, I could only imagine how you treat the Windows machines who have the fifth virus this year.

Ugh, you make my fingers hurt…

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Illiander.8049:

You should really try talking to Google, RedHat or Canonical about that.

Then there’s the fun question of “When does a Beta end?” Would you consider any Windows OS from before it’s first service pack to be ready for serious use? Beta means something differeing in Free Software circles to what Microsoft means by it.
Beta for MS seems to mean: “We’re going to release this in 6 months with whatever bugs are left, and then patch some of the rest after you’ve paid for it, maybe they’ll be the ones that you care about.”
Beta for Free Software means: “We still have some major bugs in there.”
Most Microsoft prouducts would still be considered Beta by Free Software standards, wouldn’t you agree?

I wouldn’t, but then I value my sanity. Windows is barely usable after 3 service packs.

marnick.4305:

Which is why most of my customers are running the extremely solid and proven operating system called XP service pack 3. Some still use NT4.0 and there is no reason to “upgrade”. Just like no serious company will use Linux, none will use a pre-service pack Windows. We can pretty much agree on that.

See above — might I add, the military is not usually known for their sense of humor. They are deadly serious. They have to be, considering the defense of the country is at stake. The same with the White House. I disagree with your assertion no serious company will use Linux.

It is because the New York Stock Exchange switched to Linux that you are able to sit at home and buy stocks on your personal computer, instead of having to contact a broker on the phone every time you wanted to make a trade.

How many times have you had to do the yearly reinstall of Windows because it gets bogged down? How many times has your virus checker flagged a threat?

(I’ve downloaded viruses to my Linux machine to see what they do, but I view them now as an odd curiosity.)

XP is a joke. Try opening a 1GB text file in notepad and watch the entire system blue screen. Why are you supporting an OS (NT 4.0) that was end of life’d in 2004? Even Microsoft doesn’t offer security updates anymore. Security of company information would be a good reason to upgrade to something made in the past 10 years, at least.

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marnick.4305:

If the Linux world can step up and provide one monolithic distribution that everyone is expected to use, it will become competitive for industrial use. Otherwise, it’ll remain a joke project for IT in their free time. We do have some of those joke projects in our “unsupported tools” folder on the company FTP. The name of this folder is pretty much key.

Why do you think that Linux is a joke, just because you don’t understand it? Linux by nature gives the users the freedom to use it how they see fit. “One monolithic distribution” will never happen because Linux users don’t take well to that type of oligarchy.

If you disagree with open source software so much, why would you even allow those “joke” tools on your network in the first place? Why aren’t you using something that’s officially sanctioned by Microsoft, if these “joke” tools aren’t as good? (A point on which we will disagree… but please.. Tell me.. I’m curious to know…)

As a personal aside and a modicum of professional courtesy, mayhaps your time would be better spent answering those 1000s of Windows users instead of thinking of devilishly clever folder names?

I don’t mean joke in a bad way. Linux is a very good way to learn the innards of computers. But on a company scale, it indeed is a joke because Linux development requires far more resources for far less results.

Where are you pulling your “facts”? The facts I see tell me that there are a lot of high profile adopters who switched and saved quite a bit of money.

I don’t want to type all of them out, so I’ll just give you the link where you can look for yourself. This not an exhaustive list, by the way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adopters

Highlights: The White House; The Navy and Department of Defense switched after a virus was found on their Windows server that controls drones; The FAA switched and saved $15 million; Burlington Coat Factory has used Linux exclusively since 1999; NASA; Dreamworks Animation uses Linux for rendering and artist’s workstations; New York Stock Exchange; CERN uses Linux exclusively to run the Large Hadron Collider; Amazon.com uses Linux “in nearly every corner of its business”.

If it is a joke, a lot of high-profile organizations are in on the punch line. This is not a list of people who use it exclusively on servers. Some of the companies and governments use them on workstations as well.

Linux is actually more efficient at resources than Windows because of the number of scripting languages that are natively supported. We also have the ability to schedule these scripts (jobs) to run at specific times, repeating or not.

How else are we supposed to take your definition of Linux being a “joke”, if not in a bad way? The fact that you would even make a statement like that, proves that you don’t know a single thing about the operating system.

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I think my head just exploded from the stupidity. This is obviously written as a troll, or by someone who has learned about Linux from reading Windows forums.

Illiander.8049:

So many misconceptions here.

When you’re helping Windows clients, do you tell them how to sort out their utterly trashed Windows system that’s been trojaned up the wazzo, or do you just tell them to reinstall and call you back? Why would anyone expect you to do anything but support your own software?

marnick.4305:

I know how our software behaves in a functional windows environment. If that environment has been altered too much, I will indeed tell them to try with a fresh install. Microsoft is kind enough to give a free VM XP with every legal copy of windows 7 pro so testing this is very easy (eg over Teamviewer). In Linux there is no common baseline.

Marnick, there is baseline in Linux — the Linux Standard Base (LSB).

“The goal of the LSB is to develop and promote a set of open standards that will increase compatibility among Linux distributions and enable software applications to run on any compliant system even in binary form. In addition, the LSB will help coordinate efforts to recruit software vendors to port and write products for Linux Operating System.”

I can take a program that is written for one distribution of Linux and run it on my machine with no problems. Most of the configurations take place in special . folders / files under the user’s own directory. All it would take is to delete that file to get back to a “default”, as you would call it.

It’s interesting that you mention Teamviewer. I looked on their website and they managed to figure out how to support Linux with no problems. Maybe you should call them and tell them to drop Linux support since it doesn’t fit into your world view. We don’t necessarily need a program such as Teamviewer because the software is built right in. In a few clicks I can connect through a secure tunnel to a remote client or, perish the thought, a Windows box over RDP. The only difference is that I can pull running programs from the remote computer and run it on mine in real time.

Illiander.8049:

There are two major layouts for Linux systems: Debian and RedHat. Most distros use one of those two. Also, you can build your stuff so that it doesn’t care. It normally involves rolling your own libraries in, which makes your software easier to support, as you then don’t have to figure out which version of libraries they’re using or where they are.

marnick.4305:

And yet for Windows there’s only 1. Should I tell my customers I only support RedHat? That would be even more of a joke. We could indeed roll in all those libraries, or we could use the ones that are already available in every windows based computer without hassle. In a world that revolves around making money, option two is the correct one. Theorycrafting doesn’t make money. I’m very sorry, and I don’t like it either, but that’s the sad truth.

Apparently, you never spend much time away from the Desktop do you? Have you ever searched in Windows for duplicate .dll files? I know for a fact that wininet.dll is duplicated many times in Windows XP SP3.

Developers write programs against a specific version of a library file as a known standard. This happens on any operating system. Including a library file on Linux would be no different from including this specific version of a dll on their Windows version. Usually, they will use a version that’s already out there instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. Developers, like Network Admins, usually take the route that accomplishes the job, with the least amount of effort. This is why they just go ahead and include the .dll / library file to head off problems users may experience.

In short, your argument doesn’t hold water. Please learn how your own operating system works before you childishly try to attack ours.

The Pointless.3869:

Chamone.6890:

We have enough bots already without a linux port :/

This sentence make no sense. Are you seriously associating Linux with botting and tarring its users with a large brush?

That’s like associating all mechanics with illegal street racing. o_O

Is the little troll.. hungry? LOL That made no sense to me either. If anything, the Linux users I know would be LESS likely to care about botting.

Illiander.8049:

Rompetomp.1253:

I too would love a Linux port, or just official support for Wine.
I tried running Guildwars 2 with Wine and with Playonlinux, but I’ve had a lot of lag (between 1-10fps), and it was just unbearable to play.
I’m hoping for a fix, or better support for Linux, so I can finally get rid of Windows.

Low framerate is not lag. Which is it?

Lag shouldn’t really be happening due to wine. Check your internet speed on linux in general if that’s the issue.

Low framerate is likely due to not using your graphics card fully. For a very rough check of whether your graphics card is actually being used, run glxgears and check the framerate, if it’s under 10,000fps, look into installing the drivers for your graphics card, some linux distros don’t install the good ones by default. Also, you will get low framerate for the first 10 seconds or so after loading into an area, while everything gets background-loaded, but then it improves.

If you need more help than that, I’m going to need more information about your system.

The lag is due to anet’s changes to the GW1 client after GW2 left beta. It requires the game to be run on a single CPU.

ATA.5467:

using playonlinux with WINE is not restricted right?
because i am not gaining anything rather than not using stupid windows
clearly no advantage at all but i just want some kind of confirmation is its permitted or not

It’s permitted. I’ve been using it since closed beta.

Skyliner.7436:

There is no “port” as such the whole linux client request is null.
The mac client uses technology based on WINE to run on OSX. Perhaps tehy added an installer, but not much more than that.
I pity the poor souls who get the game for mac. if performance under native windows is bad, I can only imagine how worse it’s gonna be on OSX.

That’s pretty much what I got from support. I suggested it.. they suggested I > /dev/null

lorazcyk.8927:

With rawinput patch gw2 works really nicely on wine.
Only problem is there’s no gem store or trading post. So if they could make a way to have this for us, OR let us buy stuff on the gem store / trading post on a website online, outside of the game, that would help a lot.

This is because anet uses a hacked version of chrome. wine currently has issues with https based connections in chrome-based apps (windows version).

TeeBeeNZ.1963:

If I was Arenanet I would wait to see how things go for Valve first. We should see the steam linux beta next month if all goes to plan and a small selection of titles moving over each week. Within 3 months or so there should be enough data to say of its worth it or not. I’d love a linux client, but Im also aware of the additional costs involved.

I’m in the beta and it works perfectly. It just needs more games for me to buy. hint hint anet

Moakist.5268:

I will sell my firstborn for a linux client.

sed ‘s/baby/linux\ client/’

alcopaul.2156:

i would understand a Mac port. But Linux?

Computers are preloaded with Winblows. I would think that a Linux port will be necessary if at least half of the computers sold in the market is preloaded with Linux.

My computer wasn’t pre-loaded with anything. I bought my own parts and OS.

I found myself going back to GW1 more because at least that runs well under wine.

I’m putting my support for a Linux client. I’d prefer to have one native, but I doubt anet would consider that. I refuse to use Windows and only run GW2 though playonlinux / wine. As I put in my support ticket, I’m rather upset with this game at the moment and refuse to spend any more money on it until further consideration is given. Mac has a client, and they use wine. How difficult would it be to use that same code to make it run on Linux. Considering how much money they are making from the gambling RNG games (a.k.a chests), you can’t tell me they don’t have the resources.

Nesky.1042:

Casuals please go. Is dumbed down jumping puzzle not enough? Now you want to get rid of all group stuff?

Dude… not all of us have time to spend every waking hour in the game after we finish our homework. Some of us have real lives.

Zero Angel.9715:

Most of the skins on the TP can be bought for the gold you would make in 20 to 30 minutes of farming Pentinent/Plinx/Tar Ele+Fish Oil event chains on Cursed Shores, stop being such a baby.

Not all of us are max level though and still want to participate. Just because you rushed through the game doesn’t give you the right to be a jerk to people.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

They will continue to change throughout the week as Tixx produces the different toys. There’s also a random chance to see a toy (or skritt) from an earlier day. I’m sorry that these are currently too difficult, have you tried tackling them with an extra person or two?

Those toy venari are powerful enough to take down a champion of the same level. By your logic, you’ll need a zerg rush to take them down.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

They will continue to change throughout the week as Tixx produces the different toys. There’s also a random chance to see a toy (or skritt) from an earlier day. I’m sorry that these are currently too difficult, have you tried tackling them with an extra person or two?

That’s insane. You shouldn’t have to be expected to find a party to go out in the field. Dungeon, yes, but not out in the field. If that’s the case, allow us to hire henchmen in zones no one visits anymore for us lower level people.

AoE is the last thing you want to do on the ventari.. If you have 6 of them with retaliation, you have 6x the damage reflected back to you. I sat and watched as a group of them took down a champion. You can’t tell me they aren’t overpowered.

I’m kitten that those of us who purchased the digital deluxe edition before launch, paid an extra $20 for, basically, nothing.. Then anet turns around and gives it to everyone for free, not 2 months after the launches. Why did I buy this game again?

What makes it harder is the toy ventari keep spamming retaliation and it’s impossible to get in a hit

I think it’s pretty bad when one of them can take down my character and 3 minions.. Something wrong there. I don’t expect it to be easy, but I also don’t expect it to be nearly impossible because you’re only able to take off a small part of their health every time.