Guild Wars 2

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

babayum.1895:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Browrain.7346:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Mutaatti.2789:

It makes me angry how these people doesnt want to help you but just say that you “belong to sapphire div”. So your left hand doesnt work well? How about getting one of those MMO mouses? That holds like 10+ buttons. Then picking a character that doesnt need so much movement on points (ranged). So you could spam skills and utilities with one hand and practice to be good with it. Im sorry to say you this, but I doubt you can be pro (I hope Im wrong) but you can be better than average with practice and with right gear (mouse and keyboard). I hope you still enjoy playing GW2 even that PvP is super toxic.

I also have a problem with my (right) hand preventing me from optimizing things in some ways and still play with a regular mouse but it is painfully obvious the problem isn’t he mouse nor the keybinds in the matches we loose.

Despite pointing and clicking all my skills with my mouse I win most of my 1v1. I just needed to take different habits. Bad rotation is by far what kill the most, yet ppl will stick on keybinds and the like if you show them vids of you playing insisting you are responsible despite the fact it had no significant bearing on the outcome. It’s just sad.

I can promise that using your mouse to click skills is hindering your gameplay. It’s just a simple fact. You can’t go from clicking one skill to the other as fast as someone who has them keybound. I haven’t seen you play so idk what other mistakes you make to keep you in a lower division than you feel you deserve, but I can guarantee clicking your skills is one of them. Making the switch to keybinds will take a while to get used to, but it will help significantly. You should try it.

You pretty much prove my point here.

Even if your rotations arent on point you can get to diamond easily if you have superb mechanics.

Main reason why the OP is in “MMR hell” is because her mechanics are just really really bad.

This get better and better…

You all answer beside the point I try to make. My point wasn’t aimed precisely at this one example where mechanical skill might indeed be the problem and what cost the match.

I was addressing ppl who will nitpick at all the personal mistakes the player will expose on the forum to try and discredit her MMR hell claim. And that, too often regardless of the role of what has been the focus of the critics.

When I say the reason I loose my match is too often due to ubber bad rotation, telling me not using keybinds is the problem, despite the fact I said I win most my 1v1, is kinda disingenuous.

The forum is, sadly but not surprisingly, a bad place to expose yourself and hope for honest replies.

Where do i tell you to use keybinds? I don’t (you really should though). If you win games by being the best clicker in the game then kudos, more power to you. I am saying that you do not need perfect rotations as long as your mechanics are on point.

She is in “MMR hell” because she doesnt belong in sapphire. But since you cannot drop divisions she is stuck there and cannot drop down into a division which reflects her gameplay.

jessiestiles.9437:

Exactly. In an even playing field you can’t carry. You can only carry when the other team is destined to lose and you accuse them of not carrying. You see how ridiculous it is.

“Also can you please stop pulling numbers out of your kitten , thanks.”

Why? Because it upsets your fantasy?

No, because you make them up in your mind without anything to back them up. Just a random number you pull out of your kitten , nothing more.

jessiestiles.9437:

Exactly. In an even playing field you can’t carry. You can only carry when the other team is destined to lose and you accuse them of not carrying. You see how ridiculous it is.

A “pro player” playing in amber is not an even playing field. Why? Because he doesnt belong in amber.

jessiestiles.9437:

No. I get good players on my team and we win. Next game the match is stacked against our team we lose. It’s not my team mates fault.

Carrying is a myth. Last season you should of got a 87% winrate if you can carry so well. Minus 3% for the losses of those who winstreak to legend and have a couple of losses. A generous 10% reduction for amber shopping. Did you get a 87% winrate? No a good winrate would of been 60%. So a single player can give a team a 10% increased winrate. This holding up your whole team is a fantasy.

Lol 87% winrate? You realise that top players were matched against top players from the very beginning during season 1, right? ESL players faced ESL players in amber tier 1. Of course even those guys wouldnt reach an 87% winrate because they faced people in their MMR range all season no matter in which division they were playing.

Also can you please stop pulling numbers out of your kitten , thanks.

shagwell.1349:

You mean you need to get carried. That’s the problem with the season. It’s all about getting a good team. If you don’t, you’ll be stuck in your division forever.

Then how come many players gotten several accounts to legendary without ever being stuck in “MMR Hell”?

Ah yes, i forgot… it’s because they were lucky every single time to be placed in the “winning team”, right?

If you are in sapphire and you lose 30 games in a row you do not belong in sapphire thats how it is. Unfortunately you cannot drop divisions, which is something that needs to change.

jessiestiles.9437:

Your entire post is giving advice duh!

Here’s the facts if you are in MMR hell. A good winrate of 60% (which was a good winrate in solo-q last season too) means 10 games for every 2 pips. And you are lucky to hit a winstreak every now and then. This kind of progression would cheese you off too. But you lucked out on a high mmr to ruby and were satisfied with your position. Yes you are annoying.

The kind of people who rather blame the system instead of their own capabilities are much more annoying.

“My teammates are always so bad while i play like a god, pls anet fix!=!!=!=!”

“Always have to play against pro players in sapphire while my team are nothing but noobs!!=!=! I play like a pro btw but cant carry these noobs because they are the biggest noobs, noobs!=!=!= PLS ANET FIX!=)!

Then they post a video of their gameplay and turns out they play like crap and wouldnt even get to emerald if you could lose pips in amber.

Are you one of those people?

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Browrain.7346:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Mutaatti.2789:

It makes me angry how these people doesnt want to help you but just say that you “belong to sapphire div”. So your left hand doesnt work well? How about getting one of those MMO mouses? That holds like 10+ buttons. Then picking a character that doesnt need so much movement on points (ranged). So you could spam skills and utilities with one hand and practice to be good with it. Im sorry to say you this, but I doubt you can be pro (I hope Im wrong) but you can be better than average with practice and with right gear (mouse and keyboard). I hope you still enjoy playing GW2 even that PvP is super toxic.

I also have a problem with my (right) hand preventing me from optimizing things in some ways and still play with a regular mouse but it is painfully obvious the problem isn’t he mouse nor the keybinds in the matches we loose.

Despite pointing and clicking all my skills with my mouse I win most of my 1v1. I just needed to take different habits. Bad rotation is by far what kill the most, yet ppl will stick on keybinds and the like if you show them vids of you playing insisting you are responsible despite the fact it had no significant bearing on the outcome. It’s just sad.

I can promise that using your mouse to click skills is hindering your gameplay. It’s just a simple fact. You can’t go from clicking one skill to the other as fast as someone who has them keybound. I haven’t seen you play so idk what other mistakes you make to keep you in a lower division than you feel you deserve, but I can guarantee clicking your skills is one of them. Making the switch to keybinds will take a while to get used to, but it will help significantly. You should try it.

You pretty much prove my point here.

Even if your rotations arent on point you can get to diamond easily if you have superb mechanics.

Main reason why the OP is in “MMR hell” is because her mechanics are just really really bad.

Furious.1283:

So… this is the usual matchmaking I get…

you have recieved 200k damage and dealt 30k in that match on a reaper…

but of course your team is at fault here.

SoPP.7034:

I saw those posts asking you to upload a video of yourself playing, I see those same people now absent from this thread disappointingly.

I’ve followed a few of your threads now and have seen you become a voice for many that are unhappy with how MMR/League’s is treating them. It’s a shame lesser minded people have merely used it to easily target you.

Please report what’s been said ingame to ANet, one can only hope they do something.

I’ve seen the OP’s video in the other thread and i believe the biggest problem and why people are having these losestreaks is because they are in a division way above their skill lvl. I have no clue why you cannot drop divisions it makes absolutely no sense.

I dont want to sound rude or anything but the OP really does not belong in sapphire. Her mechanics are something she really really has to work on and only going by mechanics i would place her in amber or low emerald.

pretty much before this new trait system was introduced

thief was masterclass back then

Kageseigi.2150:

Thanks. Now, if only squishy targets had a sign on their backs that said, “Stab Me” :-P

The players I stab tend to be heavies… and it just makes them angry :-P
But, hey, I can always count on Thieves to be squishy! ;-D

well the 18k backstab was the highest i did and i was really surprised myself to hit that hard lol… no clue what that necro was running but it was in amber i believe, so probably not a very good build. 10-12k backstabs is way more common.

The build is terrible though, it’s pretty much all it can do. Pop everything for one big burst is pretty much all it can do.

4 pips away from diamond on my f2p mesmer. It’s actually somewhat decent when compared to the chronoshatter metabuild right now although it doesnt nearly produce as many clones and no f5 / shield ofc.

I dont think i lost a single game up to ruby but now my winrate is around 70-80% or something. Doubt ill be going for legendary though.

Kageseigi.2150:

babayum.1895:

I did a 18k backstab on a necro a few weeks ago in sPvP using a full signet build with might on signets etc. Full damage kitten build.

18k was just the backstab though, add mug + air + fire and its more like 22k damage. He went from 100% to 0% in just a single hit lol

Very nice! If I may ask, what tactics are you using?

With my signet/trapper build, I pretty much have to get to an empty point, lay a Shadow Trap, then either leave before someone comes… or just look like I’m running away for my life when they see me :-P

If they do trigger my trap, I activate Assassin’s Signet, Shadow Pursuit, then Trip Wire on top of them, and finally follow with the BackStab. Way too much setup, so it’s not so reliable :-P

just stay in stealth and look for a squishy target then just stealstab them out of stealth once you activated all your signets for the might

R O C.6574:

I’m sure you’ll dismiss it but, here you go:

mate they had a thief too

so since 2 – 1 = 1 you only had one thief in your team which is fine of course, but 2 thieves? no man gonna lose that kitten really hard

whenever someone tells you to reroll on your thief just do it and come back with warrior its priceless

SAB is overhyped as kitten

how people manage to not fall asleep while playing it is a mystery to me

I did a 18k backstab on a necro a few weeks ago in sPvP using a full signet build with might on signets etc. Full damage kitten build.

18k was just the backstab though, add mug + air + fire and its more like 22k damage. He went from 100% to 0% in just a single hit lol

what is the point to upload a win and ask for advice on losing games?

In LoL people play hundreds of games in diamond without ever getting to master or challenger somehow its fine there… yet here it’s a big issue that needs addressing… hmm…

Would be a good way to finally kill what is left of the pvp community i suppose… good idea mate!

My main is in legendary eu

I created this account just so i can kill noobs in amber emerald and sapphire, yes it’s true and idc its fun. When you slaughter them 1vs2 all game on their close node you just have this big fat smile on your face, just how it is mates.

The problem is that now this account is almost in diamond and opponents are getting better so i have to create a new f2p account soon to slaughter the noobs in the future. Ah well its fast to get to rank 20 nways.

Dusk from MF and Longbow precursor from french player in WvW

Elitist.8701:

For all of you thinking I’m a kittenty necro, ask anyone who’s played with or against me on Necro and ask them if I’m a bad necro. They’ll say kitten nah bro. For all of you telling me your necro builds beat thieves, good for you, but I’m referring to top tier thieves using meta builds vs condition PoC necro and 62006 power necro. Not some random crap thieves that cant dodge DS 2.

Maybe those TOP-TIER (ur words) thieves are just simply better than you? Nah, can’t be it…

glock.6590:

babayum.1895:

glock.6590:

Thief is not not OP but its game breaking . Even if they nerf it more than they already did it will still be broken due to the core mechanics of the class. The only solution is to redesign the class or leave it that way.

You could literally nerf everything by 30% and it would still be broken . Because other classes can’t match an initiative system which allows to spam daze/blind , high stealth/ evade uptime depeding on the build and multiple instant gap closers.

And long stealth duration in conquest is just stupid. If a thief goes stealth near your close point, you basically either have to afk there or move and get decapped 3 seconds later. No matter what you do ,the thief wins by making you waste time or kill your teammates outnumbered while you sit there and wonder if you gonna get decapped or not.

Stealth duration need a nerf for sure. Getting 1 sec of stealth for a blast/leap sounds reasonable and 5 sec on shadow refuge would be great too.

Since thief is so “broken” how did abjured win without a thief in their comp with enemy team running one? I mean obviously thief team should have cuz thief prof is so broken in this game, right?

Because they stacked celestial self-sustain bunker classes to win. Thats how. And thats the only reliable counter to thief. Being tanky and having good sustained damage/healing does well against thief.

But thief is so op there is no way to beat it unless it gets nerfed massively?!?!? I am confused now…

Teutos.8620:

babayum.1895:

They played with toker but he was on engi… they played 2x engi, 1x ele, 1x necro, 1x warrior

When was that? Just curious.

ESL monthly finals yesterday

won 2-0 without thief how is that possible ?!?!?

Teutos.8620:

babayum.1895:

Since thief is so “broken” how did abjured win without a thief in their comp with enemy team running one? I mean obviously thief team should have cuz thief prof is so broken in this game, right?

When did Abjured not play with Magic Toker?

They played with toker but he was on engi… they played 2x engi, 1x ele, 1x necro, 1x warrior

Rickster.8752:

Omocha.4931:

Rickster.8752:

Vulnerable to CC – this is the opposite. Thieves are very strong to cc and also very very strong against immobalise with withdraw and ports.

Assuming you get 1 cc every other fight, yes. The wide aoe cripple from rangers, coupled with pulls from guards, cripples and immob from necros and warriors… There’s a lot of cc’ing that the thief can’t handle all the time. Needless to add they are quite short on stability skills.

Rickster.8752:

Vulnerable to conditions – I presume you are unaware of the meta thief spec but it is essentially immune to conditions. It can even 1v1 a condition engineer with ease now. The stealth remvoes the conditions and they run 2 stealth utilities. In addition shadowstep is condition removal.

I’m totally unware of the meta. I do know that stealth removes 1 (one, not 10) conditions every 3 seconds and that mesmers and necros can put more than 3 in 1 second.
I’m also aware that Infiltrator’s skill on sword is a condi removal that eats up half the ini bar for 1 condition and that SS is removing conditions at the cost of stunbreaks and mobility. Your point is?!

Rickster.8752:

Not spammable damage – thieves core design with no cds means they can spam bursts at any time they want to.

No cds are well balanced by initiative. Thieves can “spam” any skill while their ini lasts. Which is roughly 4 HS’s or one stealth chain on S/P and 1 leap (which btw, is a rush, not a leap). Or 2 pistol whips, 4 Clusters… and that’s about it. Eles can spam 20 skills without caring much about cooldowns, and engineers can yolo grenades all the time. If not spammable, most skills on all classes have apropriate cooldowns. In general, it doesn’t feel like a gain, but more like a constraint.
Thieves can burst at any time they want if they don’t spam. They can’t spam. HS spammers aren’t being thought too much of, iirc.
I respect your opinion, but from my point of view (played almost all classes, to feel the difference), thieves are actually needing better both condition removal and damage. They’re however, not breaking the game and are not in a need of a nerf. If anything, the meta should consider their existence as possible and adjust to the cap/decaps and finishers (btw! staying put in a group fight so you can survive to finish of the running enemies is kinda depressing. Makes you feel like the cavalry that arrives at the end of the battle ^x^)
What DOES need nerfing is the proc chance of the sigils though. Fire, Air, etc.

1, Immobilize is literally worthless vs a thief. If we make withdraw a 20-25s cd then we can start to talk.
2, You basically won’t die to conditions on the meta spec. Not ever. The condition removal is so much. And any covering conditions for the damaging conditions are easily removed by…guess what…withdraw again! Which is always off cd because the cd is so so short.
3, Thief initative costs are balanced around the original iniative regen rate at release which has since been buffed considerably. This in effect worked to reduce all thief cds by 35%. Imagine this happened to another class. Imagine one day anet said "we are reducing all warrior weapon skills cd by 35%. It would be busted like thief is now! Take headshot as an example. It costs a mere 4 initiative for such a strong effect. That is regained in only 4 seconds. And you dont even have to wait that long if you dont want. You can spam it a few times. So its a very strong skill with (at most) a 4 second cooldown. That is totally ridiculous. They need to increase about 75-80% of thief weapon skills costs to rebalance them imo.

And a thief will have full initative in about 10 seconds even if they are out of it. Other classes you have to use a skill and then its gone for 40 seconds.

I do agree with sigils needing nerfs though. I respect yours and everyone elses opinion too. I just disagree strongly.

1. Withdraw maybe a bit too much yes
2. Withdraw always off CD lol… last time i checked i did have a CD pls stop making stuff up thanks. Also thief has to be in stealth to remove conditions and it is only 1 every 3 seconds he is in stealth. So in order for the thief to remove conditions he has to burn initiative or CDs… so op… yea… lol
3. You forgot to add that they nerfed ini gain from traits along with that base ini regen boost. This happened in order to open up more build diversity since back then pretty much everyone was running these traits. But how could you know, probably never played thief for more than 20 hours anyway.

10 sec to regain full initiative mhm mhm… making stuff up now arent we? You realize thief is the only class in this game that has global CDs for BOTH of this weapon sets right? Probably not.

glock.6590:

Thief is not not OP but its game breaking . Even if they nerf it more than they already did it will still be broken due to the core mechanics of the class. The only solution is to redesign the class or leave it that way.

You could literally nerf everything by 30% and it would still be broken . Because other classes can’t match an initiative system which allows to spam daze/blind , high stealth/ evade uptime depeding on the build and multiple instant gap closers.

And long stealth duration in conquest is just stupid. If a thief goes stealth near your close point, you basically either have to afk there or move and get decapped 3 seconds later. No matter what you do ,the thief wins by making you waste time or kill your teammates outnumbered while you sit there and wonder if you gonna get decapped or not.

Stealth duration need a nerf for sure. Getting 1 sec of stealth for a blast/leap sounds reasonable and 5 sec on shadow refuge would be great too.

Since thief is so “broken” how did abjured win without a thief in their comp with enemy team running one? I mean obviously thief team should have cuz thief prof is so broken in this game, right?

Mrbig.8019:

tyresias.2306:

Omocha.4931:

I’d say he’s right! Thieves are OP! Lowest HP pool in the game and shabby condi removal, quite a hard choice between survivability and burst overall, no invulnerability, stability, summons or decent condi damage. No spammable skills due to initiative restrictions, but yes! OP! Remove the stealth and the half-broken shadowsteps, pl0x! And while at it, remove their weapons too! Give them a broom!

It’s on the same note with “Ranger OP! 1500 Rapid Shot happy wefs!” and “Necro OP! Remove Death Shroud and Lich Form pl0x!”. How about remove the attunements from eles too?! Make each weapon only give 1 att or 2. And give mesmers only 1 clone, remove the virtues and Elite Focus from guardians and maybe the stances from warriors. You might as well, take the grenades and elixirs away from engineers! Hell! Even better! Give every class a broom as the only weapon!

I get what you’re doing… It’s not funny. But I get it.
Although blind and fury-filled threads are not the best way to begin a discussion, it not a coincidence that so many threads for the thief exist nowadays. What the OP is trying unsuccessfully to do is to highlight the dominance of a specific class in the PvP environment. I do think that everyone kittenpects himself and does some basic pvp knows this to be true. And that’s nothing new.

The difference between the classes you mentioned and the thief is that none of those are represented in top tier pvp. Very very few exceptions. Don’t take this as patronizing, but ranger’s 1500 range and ‘’hurr durr second HP bar necroes’’ is not even close to the problem the thief is creating. Pushing basically every other possible zerk build out, and directly counter them without much retaliation. I am not saying rangers mesmers etc. cannot do the same role as the thief, it’s just that the thief outclass them and many others by a large margin.

Aside pushing all other zerk specs out from the meta, those problems thief is creating are way worse.

1. It forces point camping, cuz stealth and superior mobility ( this gives the thief UNMATCHED map control that alone forces meta into a certain way).

2. surv-damage/utility ratio is WAY WAY off.
D/P panic strike is basically immune to both damage ( stealth, teleports, blinds) and conditions ( condi remove in stealth + ridicolous stealth uptime thx to blinding powder, initiative latest buff and impro procs).

Inb4 " IMMUNE TO DAMAGE ROFL L2P";

Good panic strike thieves will never die unless out of cds. If a thief is out of CDs, he’s bad.

The only thing capable to kill a thief is another thief. This at high level play.

If you"next poster" disagree then you are so below that level that u can’t even imagine what a capable thief can do.

If so, don’t even reply to me, i won’t bother replying again.

Cele needs to be nerfed hard.

Thief needs to be nerfed harder ( especially air/fire and runes).

Thief was balanced only when played on crit strikes, current thief is simply a joke and should be gutted.

Lol what a joke srsly?

Good thieves will never die… i see thieves die in ESL tournaments all the time means they are all bad right?

This whole thread is a huge joke its not even funny anymore

Yesterday abjured won ESL monthly without a thief in their comp but a necro… how is that even possible? I mean enemies had a thief zerker necro should have been downstate 24/7, how was nos not dead all the time? Explain pls because obviously enemy thief should have zoned him out constantly.

really not a fan of these changes… pls reconsider arena net…

Saiyan.1704:

inb4 close

Thief is fine and doesn’t need a nerf any more than they need a buff.
If you have trouble with thieves please visit your class specific thread and make a post for solutions.

A lot of people in this thread have problem with thief you think they all noob and need to l2p? No if so many people have problem its clearly because thief is very op it need massive nerf.

I hope a net fix this broken class it’s destroying pvp

DarkSyze.8627:

" No matter how much the truth hurts, it will never hurt as bad as the betrayal that comes with living a lie. Tell your truth anyway "

Arena net need to hear the truth: thief profession is extremely problematic: broken… for too long (3 years+) is not ok!!. Thief Profession need to be urgently resolve as soon as possible.

Last,

" Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently "

Thief is a fail profession: it need to be redesign and rework.

I agree DarkSyze thief is completely broken it need to be nerf a lot

WHEN WILL ARENA NET FIX THIS BROKEN CLASS?

Shadow.1345:

The typical I got facerolled so nerf the class post.

Dont read my post? I say i beat his sry kitten but he can just teleport away regen come back and kill me. Balance? Where is balance with thief profession??

Turamarth.3248:

Please use one of the existing threads.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Thieves-need-a-fix
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/We-need-more-counterplay-to-Thief-Stealth
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Chill-needs-to-slow-initiative-regen

Better ot have more thread so arena net do smth

Hello,

Thief is too strong in my opinion have too much stealth and teleport. When i fight thief and beat his sorry kitten he run away come back 5s with full health and kill me in one hit (i think with his backstab but im not sure)

Something must be done arena net !!! This class is destroying your game !!!

Jana.6831:

babayum.1895:

What you mean awesome mechanic? Stealth trap is not mechanic of ranger…

It would be a lot if I explain to you how traps work, what sic em does, what pet would be best for what occassion, what your weapons do – ask in the ranger forums? I’m sure there’s someone who knows how to play the class =)

Trap in power ranger is not good idea… dont have many condition damage… sic em he just shadow step away wait for reveal be gone then come back and kill me…

only way is with stealth trap but even then sometimes they notice run away and come back when i dont have supply anymore…

Jana.6831:

babayum.1895:

I agree DarkSyze and i read a lot of your posts and think they are all very true.

I play longbow ranger and the only thing i can do vs thief is stand still and wait for him to kill me because fighting back is useless, he just teleport away go in stealth and heal back to full hp. I think a lot of stuff has to be changed on the thief profession to make it balanced. Start with the insane amount of stealth would be a good and backstab damage also.

I mained a ranger before I stumbled across thief.
Your class has awesome mechanics against thieves, you just need to learn them.
Most rangers I encounter clutch their longbow and pew pew pew into my daggerstorm – their own fault.

What you mean awesome mechanic? Stealth trap is not mechanic of ranger… and if i dont have supply im screwed…

DarkSyze.8627:

Again, i find this thread interesting. Example: in real life: sometimes even your enemies can care and have compassion for you and will even help you.

Do you know how many enemies thief players help me in the game: save me?

Alot.

Thread like this make me feel: many thieves players care, have compassion and understand why we other professions are suffering by your profession and want to see serious change like us

That is all

I agree DarkSyze and i read a lot of your posts and think they are all very true.

I play longbow ranger and the only thing i can do vs thief is stand still and wait for him to kill me because fighting back is useless, he just teleport away go in stealth and heal back to full hp. I think a lot of stuff has to be changed on the thief profession to make it balanced. Start with the insane amount of stealth would be a good and backstab damage also.