Guild Wars 2

Another wow at ANet.

Thats an easy 1000 gold down the drain, as I could get one for 1000g less than a week ago. GJ ANet for staying true to your words.

Never say never, goes the proverb. My addition to that: never believe, if someone says never.

Furious.2867:

Im not an Anet fan/supporter. In fact, I don’t think too highly of them for how they settled past issues with me. Oh and my forum posts get deleted for being too honest.

Putting myself in their shoes, you whiners are impossible to satisfy and would rather shut down the company than serve you.

Deal, with that attitude, I would not shed a tear for “your company”, then again, you never will be in the danger of having to make such a decision with said attitude.

Key of good business is ensuring win-win situation for all parties involved. Current situation is very VERY far from being win-win.

Personally, I do not care that much for ANet myself. I said my piece on the subject more times than I care to admit and even the first time it was pretty much like talking to a brick wall. I don’t mind. That time wasted is on me, and I had some to waste.

What I do mind however, is the sad state of the gaming industry, where people are getting so used to win-lose situations and the constant abuse they get from large companies, that they “protect them” even through ridiculous actions like what we’ve seen here, claiming that this is “normal business” and people should accept it. Hell, people should be happy, that said companies make games for them to begin with. As if that would be some sort of privilege.

It is a world upside down for some reason and I would really love to see the people responsible for making it so suffer for it. I want them suffer, because they are taking advantage of young adults, who simply do not know better and accept this as the norm. Not just that, but they also twist the view of said young adults, ensuring that they also try to make win-lose deals once they get into a position of decision making.

uhohhotdog.3598:

It’s a sale on the original game. Is it hard to wrap your head around it?

And most places aren’t going to give you an adjustment unless it’s immediately after.

Let’s entertain that idea, for your sake. Assume it is a sale.

Why is Customer A getting less value for his purchase of “Product on sale A”, than Customer B? It is not that Customer B is buying the product later, after the sale has ended.. they both buy it in exactly the same moment.

IndigoSundown.5419:

And at the risk of repeating myself, veteran players have a second option that new players do not have. They can use the same option as new players. That is, create an account, apply the code and get an undeveloped core account with HoT. A vet can do the same, or apply the code to an existing account and keep her/his progression.

I ask you kindly to think this through again, because it makes no sense. You are saying, that the offer has the same value for both players, because just like the new player, the old player could use the code to create a brand new account with the expansion?

So in your opinion, the added value for old players in the deal is the ability to keep their progression, when upgrading the game to HoT, not being forced to start anew?

Again.. I am sure, that would you not be hell bent on defending what cannot with a sensible mindset be defended, you would realize / acknowledge the insanity of such a statement.

Its basic math, even pre-school kids should understand:
1+1 = 2
core game + expansion = two products.
2 > 1
two products is more than just the one expansion those old players would receive.

All the rest of your post is just ignorance of the simple equation above. Let us know if you managed to pull your head out of the sand.

IndigoSundown.5419:

• HoT offers the core game to any new account at no additional cost and that’s unfair to existing accounts. seems on the surface to have merit, but only if one accepts that the HoT price would be lower without the free core access. Since ANet has stated this would not be the case, this argument seems more like entitlement than logic when separated from the other issues. When you consider that tying this issue to the other issues is less likely to produce desirable results, holding onto it is unproductive and unwise. ANet has stated they will not budge on the price.

At the risk of repeating myself for the N+11th time, let me try and explain how this has nothing to do with entitlement.

You have a product, sold at 50 bucks.

Player A buys product, gets 2 items out of it: core game (as he does not own it yet) and expansion.
Player B buys product, but only gets one item out of it: expansion (as he already owns the core game)

So for the same amount of money, the same product carries different value for the two players. If player B would also receive a core game key (which he does not), we would likely not see this much outrage. If it would receive some other form of compensation for those who already have base game, we might not have an issue at all.

Point would be to make a product equal value for all your customers, otherwise those on the wrong end of the deal will feel let down and in extreme cases, grab for their pitchforks and torches.

Selling expansion separately and cheaper is just one possible solution to the problem (the most straightforward one), but not the only one out there.

N+10th time: not about money, about inequity.

Player A (new player) gets more value for same amount of cash, than player B (old player)

If both would get same value (say, separate base key, that old player can use), nobody would really care.

Entenkommando.5208:

Interesting how a simple try to show ArenaNet that not everyone in the forum is part of the blind rage-roflstomp-blob is taken as a provocation.
What is wrong about showing a good opinion as well?

Maybe you are not familiar with the language enough to understand subtext and implied messages. The first paragraph of that post was okay-ish.. unneeded in the current climate IMO, but not offensive in any way. The second part, with the suggestion of people not being mature enough (personal XP reference) to accept the pricing and circumstances was a poorly masked insult and a kick out to everyone who thinks differently than the OP.

I myself have my opinion on the matter, but that’s besides the point. Nobody should feel “entitled” to insult others just because they think otherwise.

Grimm.2685:

I just wanted to take some time to say thank you for the all of the time and content that I have been able to enjoy in both Guild Wars 1 & Guild Wars 2.

I look forward to participating in the upcoming beta events for Heart of Thorns, as well as playing with those who work to gain enough personal XP to over come these illusions of perceived entitlement and pricing injustices, so that they can truly enjoy the game.

I just wanted to take some time to thank you for kicking those who are down already and for posting an obvious flame bait thread in an explosive and gunpowder filled atmosphere. Your kind of fake honesty and barely masked insults is everything this community needs.

You Sir, are AWESOME.

I find it amazing, how people are ignoring the obvious.

HoT being expensive is not the real issue. Core game being bundled with it is not the real issue. Inequity IS the real issue.

Inequity in this case:
Player A (owns GW2) pays 50 bucks, receives only expansion, so 1 potatoes
Player B (does not own GW2) pays 50 bucks, receives both core game and exp, so 2 potatoes.

Player B gets 100% more potatoes for the same amount of money, making player A feel undervalued and neglected, especially considering how player A was supporting the potato factory for quite a long time.

If all they would do, is give Player A a separate core game key (even if he did not need it or ask for it), you would have lot less of a kittenstorm on hand.

People would still be upset, because…
a) you can never make everyone happy
b) it would still be a kitten move to force players to re-purchase the core game

but that could be handled with some smart communication, for example:
GW2 is a 10 buck deal atm separately.
HoT is a 50 buck deal atm separately.
For a limited time (until release), they sell them as a bundle, with a 17% price drop at $50 for both. People would be looking at it as an opportunity, instead of something being forced upon them.

Dear OP, you keep telling me that I failed to comprehend what you wrote. That might very well be, your post being the garbled mess it was to begin with. Maybe you could elaborate a little on how I should have interpreted the 14g line that I quoted above.

As for you playing out the “you’re and idiot or a troll” card, its hilarious by the way. What about the third option? You fail at making coherent posts? Or even more likely the fourth option? You make stuff up / spice up facts to make your sod story a little more dramatic?

This is a pointless thead, as any answer you would get could inherently not be trusted, here is why:
- the kind of person who makes money off the BLT does not need you messing up their business, so they will not give you any advice or if they do, it will be false and purposefully designed to eliminate you as a possible competitor.
- the person who does give you honest advice though is not making his in game cash off the BLT and as such anything they say can be scrapped and ignored due to their inexperience with how the system actually works.

In other words, you can choose between maliciously false information or incompetently false information.

Let’s ignore the general(ly useless) comments like the ones about how you should pay attention to the taxes.

Learn to think for yourself. If you are incapable of doing that, then trading is not for you.

Sokar Rostau.7316:

Maybe you should actually read posts before making kitten comments on them in the future.

OP

and it cost me almost 14g to replace it (I had all the ingredients except the Nexus and Frame).

Now you were either lying on purpose to further your agenda, or you had 14g and spent it – not too wisely – on base materials instead of buying the cheaper, completed item.

As for your market advice.. I DO make money off the BLT, so you do not need to tell me how it works. I do however – and will keep doing so – laugh about those wannabe traders who go way beyond their means in hopes of a quick profit and then fall flat on their face due to their own stupidity slash inexperience slash impatience.

OP

I feel like I have been scammed. Whether by someone somehow manipulating the interface, or by poor implementation on ANet’s end. I sold my Conduit for 8g (after tax) and it cost me almost 14g to replace it (I had all the ingredients except the Nexus and Frame).
The winners here are the person that bought my Conduit for 9g and is now listing it at 11g, and ANet who just made $20 (actually $30, but I was going to buy $10 worth of gems anyway) out of me because I was forced to buy Gems and trade them for gold to replace my Conduit.

Congrats.. so you first sell your conduit under price by not paying attention, then you pay 5g more to get a new one, than you should’ve paid in the first place.

You so keenly observed that the completed conduits are sold for 11g.. why on earth would you then buy a frame for 7g and a nexus for 7g more to make one yourself, especially considering that the coins and node together are worth like another gold piece. So you spent 15g for an item that you could’ve bought for 11g straight out of the BLT..

Not to mention, that would you have waited a few more days, sell prices would probably have been dropped well below the 9g you got for your item. Margin trading is not for the hot headed or the impatient.

Hint and a free advice: There is no free instant money on the BLT. It does not work like the way you imagined it would. The only way to make money off it is to invest gold into buying things cheap and then invest time and attention into selling those things for a higher price.

Other than that.. the BLT is bugged as hell and the caching of prices is one of the bigger issues with it, though by far not the biggest one.

mulch.2586:

I just love the thread title. “kinda” and “completely” make a great pair

Now that you mention it, that’s truly funny.

to the OP:
it is called a free economy ruled by mathematically challenged teens. Even without the phenomenon you describe, which in itself is hilariously funny – mental note: gotta try myself – people are still selling items way below their actual cost, as they are unable to add 1+1 together.

The fact that I leveled several professions to 400 spending only half the money it would have taken me were I to make every component myself from raw materials tells a lot about the mental state of players and the resulting state of the market.

With every crafted item, it will always be a buyers market, as there are way more people doing the crafting, than there are players who would actually need the crafted items.. why would they? Leveling a craft to 400 only takes like a few hours and some minimal gold investment after all and then they can make their items cheaper while also gain about 10 levels in the process.

The fact that you are complaining about the prices of cooking items is extra spicy, to stick with the theme. Cooking is the laughing stock of all the professions of the game. Even the most useful crafts: lv400 MF food are trivial to make and require virtually no effort on the side of the person making it.

You get the recipes for free, you get the required materials in abundance and to top it all off, the bonus it gives is kinda ridiculous anyway, so even if you do not use those food buffs, you will feel virtually no difference.

You want to make money off the BLT? Stop looking at crafted stuff, and start trading. Abusing the same stupidity you observed so keenly will net you way more money on the long run (or even on the short run), than trying to make pennies on crafting worthless junk (food).

Alternatively, you can be a nice drone like so many others and grind your way to richness. See you when you get there, in 5 to 10 years.

Similar issue as with the tokens really. We get all these soul bound runes, but often enough not on the character that would actually use them. I got several soul bound runes on characters that do not need them, but would be a perfect match for other characters I have.

I’m not really certain if there are any serious game design considerations behind making those runes soul bound instead of account bound, but if there aren’t any, then I suggest you make the change.

Yea well, prices will fluctuate for a few days even without false rumors spread by devs to scare those weak minded trader wannabes.

Just imagine all those people buying up chests and whatnot thinking that they will make a killing come 8am GMT. Only to see that – oh noes – there still will be a source for these items (something any same person would have thought of in advance tbh :P). So they quickly rushed to “save” their precious investment before the influx of new items crashes the market, and in the process they crashed it themselves.

Also, I’m quite certain that they will eventually add these items to the BL chests and quite frankly I’m surprised they have not done so already. The initial announcement in the patch notes surprised me a lot less than the admittance of it being a mistake.

Who am I to complain though more money for me.

A very good question. Official clarification would be welcome.

As midnight by definition is the middle of the NIGHT, I would think that Monday midnight means the middle of Monday night, that is.. 00:00 Tuesday.

On the other hand I could consider this in a 24hr perspective, where time of day ranges between 00:00 and 23:59, so midnight (00:00) inherently would be at the start of each day.

I think the more literal approach is right, but for those not native in English, the term might be even more confusing.. not to mention that midnight is used not as much as a specific time of a specific day, but as the name for the turning point between two days.

As for the chest’s availability. I would not be surprised if they were to introduce new recipes that give out mystic chests. After all, all they said that the current ones will be gone, there was no talk about the possible inclusion of new ones.

Crica.1503:

did you read the NPC text when you trained cooking?

“warning: this profession will take ALOT more gold and karma and time then ANY other profession to level up, are you SURE you wish to train for it?”

=P you were warned….

Leveling it is actually easier / cheaper than the other professions, mostly due to the availability of materials from karma vendors.. its usefulness however is .. to quote a famous person: d’oh.

It should read more like this:

“Warning: this profession will take more gold and karma than any other profession. This is an advanced craft that will make you the laughing stock of the community. Are you sure you wish to train for it?”

I’m a level 400 chef and I’m ashamed of it.

zencow.3651:

That depends on how much you value the dungeon sets. That’s what at the end of the day makes having a full dungeon set more prestige, it is (perhaps unintentionally) a measure dedication and of of how well you/your pocket endlessly survived through all those runs. :P

Yea sure, these dungeon runs are for the sets primarily, but if you look at the numbers, you will realize, that you need to do tons of these runs to get the full exotic gear. Some 1000+ tokens for the whole of it? do the math. Even the yellow set will take plenty of runs to get and quite frankly, you can get way better looking armor, a lot easier than that.

Personally I would like to do dungeon runs, I am interested in the sets, but the lack of reward for the hours I have to spend doing it is simply prohibitively punishing.

WTF is wrong with this forum engine? Every time i try to post something more than 2 paragraphs, it just keeps copy/pasting the last one..

Bah.. probably not worth the effort. Cooking was not fun or rewarding to begin with and now it is even less so. A joke of a profession, with trolling bonuses like +40% gold from monsters, non working bonuses, like +XP after kills and a general karma sink for anyone stupid enough to not just buy food from AH for 1 copper a piece.