Guild Wars 2

crouze.3078:

Azraelle.1683:

Black Teagan.9215:

Zerbo.5381:

Black Teagan.9215:

Sry, but this is the first patch since the release, where I see not one nerf.

Is this a joke- “Not one nerf”? If not, I think you should go back and read the notes a little more carefully.

Give me an example for “a nerf”

Read the patchnotes. You’ll see it unless you are absolutely kittened.

Thats one of the main problems in this forum … thats not a mature answer to his question.

I listed the obvious buffs and nerfs here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Balance-preview-breakdown-with-feedback/3137949

Nerfs are mainly reduced vigor duration and cast time for swords shadow return on sword.

The reduced initiative gain on traits is not a real nerf since the base regeneration is increased. It just changes that you dont need those traits anymore. they will become useless like the improvisation trait.

you basicaly cant go for perma stealth which is one way of playing thief..Less diversity. Perma stealth thief was no threath because low dmg. Lots of ppl crying because perma stealth has good escape mechanism but thats it..he can run;) Now nerf.. Thief has low hp pool, low armor, now we have evasion nerf – mobility and no more trolling in wvw. Where is the fun in it? Thief after this incoming patch will be good only for dungeons as STEALTH bot for ressing downed players. F******ing r*********ed nerfs.

Black Teagan.9215:

Sry, but this is the first patch since the release, where I see not one nerf.

We get a higher ini reg, for long fights, and the problem with the permastealth seems to be finally fixed.

read again. there is huge nerf. just do your math;)

small boost – initiave gain for large nerf – reentering stealth gives no ini… every patch there is ******* nerf. No more waste of time in this game.

JETWING.2759:

Kerishan.8460:

Wow…totally useless, this make pistol in main hand just more scrap.

Thieves take few nerf in direct dmg, but got good boon in combos.
Dark + Projectiles or Whirl scales with power. Now deals more dmg and steal more health.
It’s possible that Short Bow, Pistol and OH Dagger deals double of dmg now.
Was a ridiculous boon in dps and sustain at same time.

rofl, are you serious or you are just trolling?;)

Volrath.1473:

Seriously… tell me,
What is a thief’s role in SPvP?! what is a thief better at, then any other profession?!

• Thief burst is pitiful, any professions can survive it and outlast the thief
• Condition is laughable, it is countered by PASSIVE abilities.
• Poisons are terrible I have the filling they exist to fill the minimum amount of available abilities for the profession.

aw wait!! i know!! thief is good for resing ppl in stealth and blasting fields!

awesome!

+1
Kinda loled, but sadly its true.

Crovax.7854:

Excalibur.9748:

Nah looks like you’re the one who made a fool of himself here, suggesting this outrageous nerf with no compensation. Won’t go over well, I suggest you stop now.

I also think #5 -> #2 is not balanced well but I also know better to suggest a nerf of this magnitude. There are way more reasonable suggestions like other actual thieves have made.

Yet again you have proven to possess absolutely no reading comprehensibility,
I didn’t suggest a nerf, i had an idea and wanted to hear other peoples opinions about it.If you don’t agree, please explain yourself, the others are capeable of this, why not you?

As i said, the compensation is as follows: d/d fills the gap that would be left by d/p loosing stealth, thus making it finally viable again. My point is not that stealth stacking is bad (which it is) but rather the ability to stealth without risk.

d/p gains access to poison and easy to apply 8second weakness (8sec base for leap finisher through poison field, 3sec for blast iirc) This limits the opponents defense and offense. Build diversity would be greater, given that every weapon set has its own means of defense, but you would have known all that, had you actually read what i wrote.

your suggestion noted.

I have an idea. What about lower stealth from xxx sec only for 2 sec. You lose 1 condi per sec. Stealth also heal you for 1,8k hp. We can give to thieves heavy armor. There will be no more crying with perma stealth and THIEVES will have enough survavibility and heal specs compare to other classes as warrior;) I like that idea.

you dont like it? I dont like when i am not in stealth I cant hit hard heavy armor classes. Sorry, i have 3,2k power. Autoattack vs warrior for 400-600 GOOD GOOD.

without cnd/bs + hs i can shoot myself. warrior has 21k is BS set, i have 11,8k in Bs set.

Warrior hammer/shouts: 29k HP, lots of CC, 3,3k armor, 2k+ thoughness.

tell me right now how can i kill warrior 1v1. GC thief when make single mistake and he is dead in 1 sec. Warrior can make 35050 mistakes and there is no risk to die vs thief. If your warrior dies vs d/p thief, he is underleveled or newbie. If you have full equip vs full equiped p/d thief (perma stealth ? OP) you will NOT DIE never. And if you die.. facepalm and delete GW2.

So, you are not here to tweak thief. You are here to nerf it. You play alt thief only to know his mechanics to learn counterplay. I totally agree with Excalibur.9748.

i tell you why, there is so much qq about thieves so anet nerf them;)

Elxdark.9702:

I’m done with this kitten, if Anet want us to play as warriors then say it,instead of make these kittening changes.

Wtf is this? they didn’t put it in the notes and it got nerfed.
Anet f***k yourself.

devs are haters, i bet every second dev is warrior or ele. This game is……………………………there is no other way then stop playing “asd fl?kasjdf?lak sdfj?a sdfklas*rage” thief. Every class laugh at thieves now.. a? sdkfjla?sdkfasdf…………………..

Rym.1469:

Notice it’s probably written by a Ranger. That ranger is not condition spirit one, probably power one. None will consider Power ranger as a top meta. Unless you’re really skilled in it, you won’t see killstreaks/ successfull 1v1. Most Powers run straight GC and full signets for big numbers. You can’t really blame them for doing that, Ranger is most broken class of all, and the reason why most of us roll condition is because it’s the only source of damage not reduced by having a pet. No thief considers bow ranger as a threat.
While I have no problems with most of classes, playing as power, even highly UP. I’ve been playing as a MM hunter class in WoW for a long time, either when it was OP and nerfed to a meatshield. For whole that time, I’ve been making constant, slow progress in my own tactics vs. every class and after some period of time, there was always a point where I had certain counterplays for most classes. Now, back to GW2. When I’ve found counterplays for almost all builds and classes (Yes, even current Warriors), I find thieves very annoying. Dueling with this class is like a mouse fighting with cat. When I have to be extremaly focused and playing flawless to win with good thieves, they usually are relaxing, spamming gapclosers. When I try to kite as good as I can (although kiing is very broken in this game, reason why pvp is dominated by close to melee range builds), they don’t give a single kitten, they’re not punished with it at all. When I fight with melee, I want to be rewarded for keeping range, being ready for making tactics and active playing. That’s why I prefer fighting with any Warrior, even most OP builds, because they have gapclosers, yes, but telegraphed, allowing to counter them somehow and with some cooldown – so I know I can use this time to my advantage.
With Thief – none of mentioned above. They just stick like glued, blinding constantly, without single cripple/chill even. No. Spammable, not telegraphed gapclosers, requiring no skill at all, without proper counterplays.
This state has to be fixed. Reduce spam, give more counterplay. That’s all I want.

Please make your own thief and show me. Thanks to ppl like you is there nerf after nerf and thief is almost uplayable in wvw after this new patch..

SPAMABLE? rly? make lvl 1 thief go mists spvp and try it instead of making your opinions here on forum.

try it and tell us, i am curious.

Fade.7658:

I just tested the interval portion. It does indeed take at least 10 seconds to remove a second condition while in stealth.

I used Shadow Refuge, and it honestly looked like the interval timing started at 3 seconds AFTER I entered stealth. I was in stealth for ~14seconds, and the second condition didn’t even get cleansed, it fell off due to duration ending.

Time to level up my 15lvl warrior;) My thief is going to sit down for while ^^ Anet: thx for another nerf.

it should happen and i hope it will.

style.6173:

Unfortunately, thieves are pretty weak at every part of the game right now except for killing noobs. It’s sad actually.

It rly is sad. Thief need buff or rework. And when i say buf it does not mean dmg buff. Some ppl who are crying about thief they didnt even try to play the class. ITS hard to play class.. yes, press button is easy.. but hide does not mean you will survive. Engi, warrior, elementalist can kill thief in few seconds does not matter if he is hidden or not. So please, if you wanna complain about op thieves.. make one lvl 1 and go pvp and try it. Ppl always die because they did some mistake. I die too, but only because i do not practise so much as other good players. To play any class and win 1v1 take a skill or you win because oponent is newbie. And if invisibility is op in terms you cant kill the hidden ……so you cry because he is not playing as a man? Its l2p issue.

Sceinna.3561:

Dee Jay.2460:

I switched between D/D and D/P for a while over the past months. I generally prefer the D/D play-style because I find the D/P Stealth mechanic incredibly contrived and frustrating (god kitten Heartseekers into random pets and minions).

That said, D/P is definitely the superior weapon-set.

Not only does it hard-counter D/D, but it also allows you to go toe-to-toe with Warriors, something D/D can’t. Black Powder is just incredibly potent against melee combatants in almost every situation. Headshot too is quite useful if you’re good at timing it.

Turn auto-targetting off when playing D/P, try not to select a target (click floor) & Heartseeker away.. it shouldn’t be an issue.

Best of all though; don’t play D/P, overpowered as hell but meh.. I wonder when Anet is cutting down the permastealth and perma blind, because D/Ps ruins every good fight I have as X/D and it doesn’t even require any skill, just the push of 5.

Nothing more frustrating than missing your Cloack & Daggers because of some thief that doesn’t know how to play and rather uses some google/youtube build to roam in groups and kitten you up 5v1. =.=

I’ve been questioning every nerf to thief since release..

venom+steal can stealth you→steal→Cnd→backstab→HS… D/P is done in sec. He even cant press 5 button cuz of the wenom.

galandor.1059:

No, were just not bad players who complain about a gimmick build being OP, because we know how to adjust our builds to compensate for the tricks that people use, and I am talking about my Engineer and Necromancer, for when I encounter the stun build lol Warriors. So easy to kill they are, players are just stupid and would rather QQ and have everything nerfed rather than actually learn how to play the game.

I can only agree. I am thief and i was sort of qq all the time. But i try to overcome it and finally try to learn something instead of whining like little w….. I have found some streamers and vids on internet about roaming and I rly need to say these ppl know what to do no matter what class they play. And we – whining w….s just cry 80 percent of time. THIS IS all only about l2p issue. The issue is right here: I think i am good enough. Somebody kills me 1v1- what i say to myself to satisfie my ego? He is OP class but noob. Easy to say and lie to myself instead notice we are just a noobs. Rly good players take time to learn the class to perfection. Some players play like 2000 hours on their class. What you want if you are casual player and play 2 hours per day doing daily? Meh. Problem is not in class but inside of player himself.

the thief has best items in game, pure burst dmg. Thiefs were nerfed already enough. Not every thief can do so high burst. stacking might, food, stacking power on kill, critical hit on swap. How often can thief do this? I have thief and i die all the time.. and its because i do it wrong…. maybe this guy was not noob as I am. Maybe you are not that good as you think. This is not trolling. Even in real life man fail if his arogance is big enough. There is always somebody better. You can cry or you can try to be better and to do it..you must find what you do wrong. Be humble and find your weakness, check some vids on web how streamers play roamings builds (thiefs) and when you finally notice the thief mechanics, maybe then you will find the way.

TheGuy.3568:

Fortus.6175:

The problem arises when the thief has D/D and can burst you for 8-10k hp without absolutely no counter. Aegis wont block the damage nor reveal them, blocks wont work either. Basically backstab is a guaranteed 10k burst that if you are an ele (12k hp) or a guardian (12k hp too)

I am going to say a couple of things here. I am going to try to keep this short and very civil.

DD has been the hardest hit build for thieves over the last ten months. DD burst thieves have seen some of the hardest (but in many cases appropriate) nerfs so far in the game maybe save engineer. Many of those players migrated the D/P as the meta shifted that way and to S/D as it was popularized and buffed. DD is actually one of the lesser played thief specs now a days. And they guys who still get those numbers are truly glass. They aren’t critting mugs anymore and the classes around them have literally been buffed in many cases. The people you see playing glass DD now a days are actually some of the better players. Many of them have stuck with builds that are already outdated and out played by the common builds you will see now a days.

You are complaining about a bygone build that doesn’t have endless evades that will not rip your boons, that does not have unstoppable stealth. It is the easiest build to counter play among all thief builds. It is not S/D where you have your dodge, S/P with blinds and an evade state, it is no P/D which can build tanky and kite forever, it is not D/P with blind and stealth that can barely be stopped. It is pure utilitarian DPS with 2 skills that are almost useless. Losing to this build is the equivalent of getting out played by the most kitten thief build there is now.

I not telling you this with anger but after watching the last 10 months even advocating for nerfs to thief burst myself with my first main being a thief I find these complaints ridiculous and short sighted. I am not going to call you a noob or tell you learn to play but looking at the big picture I am actually surprised DD hasn’t been buffed yet.

Thanks for reading.

Thanks, it was polite. I cant say it with such nobility. Only i can say its simple true.

Thief 80 lvl.

1) Once i attack somebody and i dont kill him, i get stuck in combat like for 5-10 minutes. In wvw no problem. Problem is on puzzle jump, when somebody hit me and i cant even escape cuz i cant jump (Arena cyrcle) It was told to me, its caused by hide skill or something like that. I dont care. Fix this.

2) Fix siege weapons shooting through texture or walls. Especialy in puzzle it is big problem cuz you cant hide, so you cant beat enemy, ehemy is hidden out of range and use arrow carts to keep me in combat. So we cant even jump to them and kill them.

3) 24/7 Camp in puzzle jump with siege weapons its called fun? For who? For no lifers who sit every hour on gw2.

4) If you want fights in puzzle jumps, just fix bugs so we can handle with enemy.

Ranc.7192:

Wildman.9641:

Mug.9403:

I’d go one further, remove the WvW jumping puzzle.

Ding! We have a winner

You guys are insane, the jumping puzzle is the last bit of TRUE PvP this game has……….

Where else are you going to die to a enemy at every corner if your not carefull or lose somthing if you die (30 mins of time) it takes to get to the near end. WvWvW???? LOL thats just a zergfest, and if you die you just pay your 2 silver and run back to your zerg.

Any thing goes in there and thats why a true pvper loves it……you guys are just crying because you dont have a zerg to protect you……..ZERG DONT THINK ZERG SMASH….

I have had some of the best 1v1 fights in any game, in the puzzle.

Where is your 1v1 in puzzle, when 4 ppl caming on top of it and use arrow carts so you cant even pull them down. They are out of range or you cant even see them cuz arror carts shoot trhough textures. PvP is fun but you are not even in close range to fight like a man. There are just kittening pussies camping on arena.

1) Thief combat bug.. when i attack somebody and i dont kill him. I stuck in combat for 5 minutes. Its too long. Dunno if its caused only by attack or by using some sort of skills.

2) I have no problem fighting in puzzle. But use siege weapon is enough. – Arena 3-4 arrow carts on top of it. When you stuck in combat you cant even jump and kill the enemy. If they use arrow cart and shoot THROUGH textures, you can do kitten.

3) Fun is, if you always has a way how to defeat enemy, no matter what. But where is no hope, there is no fun. 5 ppl camp arena in puzzle jump with carts just suck.

4) When you wount stop siege weapons in puzzle.just make them unable to shoot through walls.

Problem fixed by switching for another quest..when i finished it and get back to this event i got right amount of xp and karma.. so maybe is it just anti-bot system.

Experiencing the same.Today transmuted my pvp set with pirate runes for the medim armor for gems and have same issuse..junk sometimes blue.. 110 mf.

was doing this event today at 9am UTC +1. got 17k xp and 360 karma +-.

Same day 20 hour later got like 890 xp and 17 karma, NOT bad luck.. it happen every time I do this event (like 6 times repeatedly).. why i get only 890 xp?

btw i am on PvP full exotic set.. 3000 aoe dmg.

Monthly tier 1 stucked on 21963 xp. I did yesterday 31 000 xp without death, still no progress. Today keep geting xp without death, still stucked.

Sorry for bad english, but you will understand anyway. Thx