Guild Wars 2

Thank you for the answers, everyone. Seems like majority here isn’t really pleased with HoT, so I’ll just wait around and see what happens.

For clarification, yes I purchased vanilla version.

As per title. No idea if a solo player should purchase this or not. Opinions?

Purple Miku.7032:

Good news!

The GW2 Elementalist PvE Guide by Retaliate [rT] is finally complete after all of this time!

For all aspiring elementalist trialees I strongly advise you read this guide in full detail. If you can master all of the contents of what you see in here, you’ll be better prepared than ever!

Great job! I’m still reading through it, only got up to traits and specializations, but I really like how it’s written exact and professional. I kind of missed the hint about swapping to another elite skill after you no longer need the elite elemental and it won’t put your elite to cooldown and Tornado usefulness against Bjarl and Evoled Husk, for example. This is really nit picking, but everything else was mentioned thus far.

Also, consider this a free bump, just in case Tom finds my post offensive again.

3/10 for the effort.

Thanks, I probably just suck then.

EDIT; I just pulled it off in first time as well. Weird.

EDIT#2: Wait, did you two try it on contested or uncontested map? Because I couldn’t pull it off on contested, but was able to on uncontested.

Supergeil.

frifox.5283:

fracture.9754:

Did they fix glitching into CoE when it’s contested? I wanted to do some dungeons after 2 months and it ports me back outside the gate when the popup for open explorable/path mode should happen. o.O

That was like…the only good thing about CoE.

Still works.

Are you sure? Because when I try to jump in, which is something I was able to pull off consistently before, it teleports me in front of the gate – this has NEVER occured to me before.

Imagine if there was a small spot which popped up the dungeon entrance select screen, they’ve put a “teleporter” in front of the gates there instead. That’s how I imagine it, anyway. I’ve seen such a “quick and dirty” bug fix before, in older games, many times.

Did they fix glitching into CoE when it’s contested? I wanted to do some dungeons after 2 months and it ports me back outside the gate when the popup for open explorable/path mode should happen. o.O

That was like…the only good thing about CoE.

Purple Miku.7032:

fracture.9754:

Purple Miku.7032:

I’m getting really desperate at this point and I’m gonna just post my thread here, in hopes that maybe somebody here would have a suggestion for me.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/support/Internet-related-advice-I-m-out-of-ideas/first

I just can’t stand it anymore. Tell me, have any of you guys had problems similar to this before and if you did, did you contact your ISP about and actually have them do something about it before? Every single person at Time Warner insists that there is nothing they can do about it.

I had same problems, but DCs due to packet loss, so it was worse. You have probably tried this, but just in case: do you have GW2 ports forwarded? They’re 80, 443 and 6112 TDP/UDP. There’s also a command line designed for specifically such problems, with which you can bypass rerouting and connect directly. I can’t get the exact info because I’m not home this weekend and am restricted to a cell phone.

Have you tried contacting support? They have some software you have to install (plotter something), which enables them to see how you’re being rerouted. They will also have the command line info.

Also, if you haven’t tried yet, try running the game on modem only (without router).

Edit:found it, add -clientport 80 or -clientport 443 after start line in gw2 launch file shortcut

I’ve tried adding the clientport switch numerous times over the past 2 years, no noticeable difference. Additionally I haven’t recently contacted anet support but that’s because when my friend was having routing issues the exact same kind as mine they told him there was nothing they could do and that he had to get it sorted with his ISP. The last time I tried contacting anet was months ago so that’s something I suppose I could try.

As for pingplotter you can see in the thread that I posted that I provide a link showing one of the many screenshots of my pingplotter results, so yeah already have that.

The sad part is the only time in which my lag is tolerable enough to actively play atm is at night when everybody is sleeping. Then for some reason this level 3 communication doesn’t give me 70-100% packet loss

Yeh, nothing out of those “solutions” helped me either. What did help me, however, was removing the router (modem internet only). After that I had no problems whatsoever. The thing is, due to how my modem works, that meant only 1 device on the internet, no WLAN – ISP restrictions.

Have you tried with the usual; firewall disabling, run as administrator etc.?

After this I’m out of ideas. Good luck.

Purple Miku.7032:

I’m getting really desperate at this point and I’m gonna just post my thread here, in hopes that maybe somebody here would have a suggestion for me.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/support/Internet-related-advice-I-m-out-of-ideas/first

I just can’t stand it anymore. Tell me, have any of you guys had problems similar to this before and if you did, did you contact your ISP about and actually have them do something about it before? Every single person at Time Warner insists that there is nothing they can do about it.

I had same problems, but DCs due to packet loss, so it was worse. You have probably tried this, but just in case: do you have GW2 ports forwarded? They’re 80, 443 and 6112 TDP/UDP. There’s also a command line designed for specifically such problems, with which you can bypass rerouting and connect directly. I can’t get the exact info because I’m not home this weekend and am restricted to a cell phone.

Have you tried contacting support? They have some software you have to install (plotter something), which enables them to see how you’re being rerouted. They will also have the command line info.

Also, if you haven’t tried yet, try running the game on modem only (without router).

Edit:found it, add -clientport 80 or -clientport 443 after start line in gw2 launch file shortcut

Ah Tom, reliably here to derail the thread to kitten, again. Sorry, I don’t sink to that level. Do you have my profile bookmarked or something?

Anyhow, sure elementalist’s rotation changed with the update. Warrior play style did too, that’s undeniable, but I still think ele has more to do and more to choose from. It’s definitely more fun to me, at the very least.

EDIT: I’d argue you swap attunements more now than before the patch.

Are you arguing the fact that ele has more micro management than warrior? Swapping from axe/mace to sword warhorn and sometimes longbow for additional blast finisher is nowhere nearly the same as what a good ele can do.

Just from the point of view how elemental attuning doesn’t cancel the cast and weapon swap does, shenanigans with blinks which warrior doesn’t have access to and what exactly is worthwhile casting while changing weapons? Because I can name meteor shower, obsidian flesh, swirling winds, … and I can’t really think of anything for warrior. It’s 3-4 signets vs a set of utilities and 20 weapon skills vs 10, I can’t see how this is even a question.

Kordash.2197:

fracture.9754:

Kordash.2197:

You know you can give constructive feedback without being a kitten ? Just sayin’ !

If a person wants to learn, at least give him proper guide. If a person dedicates his free time to LEARNING instead of actually just playing, then at the very least what he can get in return is proper, correct way of playing.

Teaching people who spend their time learning instead of playing through means of misinformation is not respectful to people’s time.

I’m not saying you’re wrong. There is different ways to explain things, and yours is actually agressive, and that’s wrong.

Even if the guides are not good, there is an human, open to feedback and looking to improve, behind it. So don’t be a jerk, and give it in a decent manner.

Perhaps I came out as a jerk, but as I wrote, I like the format he chose to go with, so I would like to see his future work better. After all, he posted here exactly FOR criticism. I know my communicating skills aren’t the best, however.

Wethospu.6437:

Lendruil.9061:

I am not even sure if this is a bug, just see it that way that the projectile attack has two components. The first component are the (reflectable) projectiles, the second component is unreflectable (but dodgable/blockable) and hits immediately when he does his animation. And i am pretty sure that only the targeted player gets hit by it.

i am pretty sure

What did we just talk about this?

gasp being snarky about this, you, of all people! You show consistency that is unmatched by most guides out there. I don’t think I’ve ever seen words like “about, I think, I’m not sure, but…” on gw2dungeons.net.

Kordash.2197:

You know you can give constructive feedback without being a kitten ? Just sayin’ !

If a person wants to learn, at least give him proper guide. If a person dedicates his free time to LEARNING instead of actually just playing, then at the very least what he can get in return is proper, correct way of playing.

Teaching people who spend their time learning instead of playing through means of misinformation is not respectful to people’s time.

FinnTastic.8579:

its a fractal mechanics guide

Really? Let’s see.

-you recommend range attacks and spreading out to decrease chance of party wiping at 1st stage of archdiviner. At max melee range you have to be careful of 2 (TWO) attacks. How about show those TWO attacks and let people learn them instead? Like slow them down, show the tell to people? Do you know that his range attacks can bug out and hit you regardless of range you are away from him?

-“I haven’t tested it extensively, but I’m pretty sure…” <—- this does not belong in a guide. You either know or you don’t make a guide. Guides are done by people who know, not people who think they know. Personally, I’ve done all the dungeons a thousand times, but I still don’t feel fit to mentor them. There are people who are more suited for that than me and that’s fine.

-I miss the mention of hammer #3 skill, which will grant you stability – immunity against the 30 stacks stun – you know this (you used it in the video), it’s a good tip, but you didn’t write it out.

-I miss the knowledge of entire party, i.e. ele put down sandstorms at first set of seals, thieves/mesmers/eles blink the hammer up, etc.

-second seal: “it takes about 10 hits” <—- why write a number you’re not sure of?

-“if you kill both chanters, a dozen or so” <- again, same thing

-you didn’t even mention how standing next to archdiviner while hitting the seals work and what the formula is to how many people should stand there to remove x amount of stacks of defiance

There’s more things I could nitpick, but I honestly like the format and the idea, it’s just that the run on video is so very, very poor. I really don’t want to see people learning how to do stuff off of this video, even though it’s presented in an appealing format.

Sure I did, but the added pre-heal, keeping your dodge bar low and using burst skill in your DPS rotation is not something I would call “interesting” or “fun”.

Prestacking solo 25, precasting and swapping to another weapon set while casting, going invuln on focus to easily cast meteor shower in the middle of a swarm, etc. however IS fun.

Please learn how to play properly before making guides.

Ele master race. Fun to play, a lot to learn, the most complex class in game alongside engie, maybe. You’ll be doing everything.

Warr master race. Not fun to play, easy to learn, boring, but very good. You will carry banners for your team, press #2 and sometimes even dodge.

Guardian is really good, can’t really think of a thing guard can’t do. Very good class overall, a bit more complex than warr, you’ll be playing a babysitter for the team.

Thief has simple DPS rotation, but very high single target DPS. You’ll be stealthing your team. Stealth in this game isn’t a gimmick, you can skip practically everything, provided you have a team that can blast.

Honorable mention goes to engie – really good and fun class. Complex, has access to pretty much everything, but pugs dislike em. Get into a good guild, if you want to run fast dungeon runs on engie.

Mesmers are also really good for utility, but pugs can’t utilise them properly, so they’re usually not used due to low personal DPS.

Take ranger or necro if you like being hated and kicked.

Jayden Ennok.3687:

And what about average time a scrub level player needs to learn to solo the easier paths (on ele)? Just asking to know whether I am too re…kitten for this or I just haven’t put enough time to it.

I don’t know about others, but it took me personally 5 hours to learn P2 of Arah. It took me another ~5 hours to learn Lupi after they bugged his autoattack. I’m not going for records or anything, I just like finishing solo in a dps setup, so my runs are not very fast considering records and stuff, though.

Man, I would REALLY like to join rT, but I can only rep for 88% of the time.

Purple Miku.7032:

spoj.9672:

Im just thinking is it really that funny necro posting? Once is enough. After that it just becomes stupid and annoying.

It’s cringeworthy tbh. It’s like they actually think they’re funny.

Being funny was not the point at all.

The answer is 20 tokens.

Robert Hrouda.1327:

This has been addressed in the sticky threads at the top of the Dungeon forum, but I will address it here as well to save you time.

The Diminished Returns system is currently bugged. We are working on a fix.

Nice!

Ender.3508:

Robert Hrouda.1327:

It is frustrating and unfair that it is happening, and we’re working on it (it has happened to me as well, and I share your pain). As a dungeon designer, it’s pretty upsetting to see dungeons being thrashed to pieces on forums due to this bug.
People are rightfully upset, and we have the best tech-priests on this side of the Imperium, and we’re all working to resolve this thing ASAP.

EDIT: Let’s keep things on topic, people.

This is the type of post that deserves praise, not retribution. THIS is what sets AN apart from the likes of Blizzard. In my eyes a humble and well meaning apology goes miles farther than whatever shady BS tactics they teach in PR school. Please continue to be upfront with the player base just as you have here.

I feel like the devs are really active in the dungeon forums lately. I like it! :-)

Fun fact: this is still a thing (splitting up parties).

dlonie.6547:

It’s not new, it’s just the most recent wave of it It happens fairly regularly — it’s the only way we’ll ever see red posts in here.

Gotta keep that hope alive! Let’s paint the front page red

Srs, fill the front page with red, then we can make a sarcastic post in general discussion about “all of the red posts in the dungeon forum” and how nice it looks. It’ll be grand.

+1 I’m up for it.

Skoigoth.9238:

Sooo… necroing red post threads is now meta in the competitive PvF community?

Sweet.

Dungeon runners have nothing to do in-game, so we’re here. It’s not like anybody is reading the kitten we write, might as well have some fun.

jozefka.7256:

I just love how Anet banned a million people when there was a karma exploit and also said they are not going to tolerate future exploits. It’s nice to see them doing nothing to all the exploiters.

Exploiting in dungeons was never really a bannable offense, though.

lksaar.8065:

some lfgs i collected over the last 6 months. The blue translation is partly wrong, if you translate it word for word it’d be: “looking for an ingame girlfriend (14-17), i am 14 and have teamspeak3, a sweet(?)/cute girlgamer would be best”.

I did a dungeon tour once with pugging necros only. What’s wrong with a 5 necro team? Necro is life, I mean death, necro is love, I mean hate. #getonmylevel

EDIT: We didn’t finish a full tour, we gave up after like COE and COF ;D

Purple Miku.7032:

Elorna.5329:

I seriously don’t understand the obsession with guardians in AC. You literally have one fight where reflects are useful, the boss of p2. And even for that you can just 5 icebow him, or use any of the other random missile protection abilities that are available on every profession except war and necro. Anything else in AC is pretty much a cakewalk where just stacking heaps of damage from any profession is sufficient.

Where is this obsession that you speak of? Pugs? I would not consider pugging AC so I of course would not know.

I would argue that WoR would be more useful at SQ than last boss of P2, because with wall you can safely burst the queen down in the middle even with all 4 gargoyles up and without pre-killing all the mini spiders.

However… if we’re talking about pugs then they most likely wouldn’t do that anyways.

If this was directed at me – after soloing/duoing AC for a thousand times you want the next difficulty level – pugging it. I felt like having a bit of fun today, so I pugged all the dungeons all the paths, including AE and Arah just for fun. What else is there to do in this game anyway? :/

Well I just got kicked from a pug. 2 warriors, 2 eles, 1 ranger. They kick me, the ele, because they need a guardian.

It was an AC run =D

Embrace The Bold.7619:

Raven.3248:

Made an lfg ‘’no 1shot’’ and someone did. ;(

That’s why you say lupi off wall, unfortunately then you only get filthy try hards who try to kill you and die in the process.

Heeey, that’s me!

-burn the party with whiskey
-phase lupi from phase 3 to phase 2, super effective with a group who knows what they’re doing and are expecting p3 attacks
-throw down ice bow and spam hylek pots all around it → watch the suckers try to pick it up
-try to kill them with deadeyes
-port mobs to the beginning, casually invite people to your arah run
-make your group a roadkill to abos before lupi
-wake lupi up before anyones expecting it – super effective while eles do their might stacking, watch em being stuck on focus off hand for the duration of the fight
-mines…ah mines. I love you mines. You are mine.
-up to Brie skip, so many ways to kill people
-get some AoEs on the group while theyre trying to stealth
-get 5 stacks of defi on ancient ooze just before it dies

There’s just so many ways to kill your party in Arah, I love it. Bonus points if somebody is streaming the run.

No, really, don’t worry about Shoggoth…I’ll burn him. I totally got this.

Depends. Can you use it underwater?

I don’t care, if you don’t have a legendary underwater weapon you are a scrub. It’s really that simple.

Nyx.7342:

frifox.5283:

I don’t think that would prove anything. Ability to identify a mechanic isn’t the same as listing all mobs that use said mechanic. Apples and oranges.

On the subject of pathing, Is there a way to stop mobs from following me, like that group of risen between room before lupi and shogroth?

Yes, you can. As soon as they start walking towards you, they’re basically aggroed, even if they don’t attack. You can LoS them somewhere, WP to previous waypoint before they see you and they port with you – they’re now scattered all over the Shoggoth room and you can get through them without killing any of them or without any of them following you.

I have a spot and exact timing when to do it in head, but it’s obviously difficult to write this.

I don’t get it, I honestly thought pathing mobs is basic and common knowledge in dungeon clearing. How is this an issue?

spoj.9672:

Its pretty important to understand pathing in arah p1 if you dont want random oozes following you all the way across the map. So it is useful for casual runs. Just not essential. And no im not surprised most people dont know about it.

Btw pathing can happen without stealth. Right at the beginning or arah if you run into the corner the entire room of risen will start to path towards you. You waypoint and then the room has enough space for you to get to the p3 gate or coral without aggroing. Also can be used on p3 after lupi. If you run to the right the risen elites will path towards you meaning that anyone hopping over the wall wont aggro them even if they have no stealth (old pre thief tactic).

Or port the mobs at P2 after berserker for easy way to Lupi.

Or…ahem port half of Arah back to beginning and open LFG stating everyone welcome. I’m sure NOBODY does that, right? Riiiiiiight??

Vikkela.7261:

fracture.9754:

How can this even be a discussion, this update was horrible…for everyone. Not just warriors, also eles, especially necros, guards, …

Didn’t even notice a change with Guardian…

Perhaps you should get off your staff and actually use a useful weapon from time to time.

How can this even be a discussion, this update was horrible…for everyone. Not just warriors, also eles, especially necros, guards, …

I can’t correlate to that, sorry.

We use pathing every day, on casual runs as well (not record attempts, I don’t really care about those personally). Pathing is used in almost all of the dungeons, almost all of the paths at some point or another.

o.O

Pathing is an integral part of doing dungeons fast.

deSade.9437:

Oh come ON, the 5 guard teamcomp is so stupid I don’t even know. I keep chatting and going afk while aaing and I couldn’t even down at archie. NERF THE HELL OUT OF IT

No! It’s perfect now!

Consume conditions, on the other hand…

Leon Mendice.3024:

Just in case you wanted to see a focus fire field being used. Note looking down doesn’t always work with comet and dragons tooth. Some maps have dead spots where the dragon tooth or comet will go under the map.
Vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc6pimSD5Es

Frozen burst is faster than 2nd dragon’s tooth.

Learn how to blast in focus fire field, especially if you want to solo. In party that knows how to blast it doesn’t really matter I suppose. Learn how to blast in both fields with all blasts imo.

Dragons tooth / ice comet basically work with their range – for example dragons tooth has range of 900, if you look straight ahead you can still blast with it, you just have to run range of 900 and put fire field there (you can cast fire field with distance, so you can precast it while running). Looking straight up will still cast it at 900 range, but the range is in vertical direction, hence it casts nearly right in front of you.

Understanding you’re basically always casting at range and that with view position you set at which angle from you the 900 range is applied you’ll notice you can blast almost anywhere, even where there’s a roof that’s less than 900 range above you. I said almost anywhere, though =D

EDIT: Ah, when I was still learning this, I liked using the focus fire field perpendicular to me at various ranges and trying to hit ice comet / dragons tooth in that way. Naturally, it’s much easier when the fire field is lined up in parallel to your view position, but you never really master the ranges imo.

AC/CM sells for 2.5-3G per path and it takes mere minutes to solo/duo, compared to Arah which sells for I’d say 4-5G on average and takes 4-5 times longer. You can also solo all 3 paths, which you can’t do with Arah for obvious reasons. There’s also more people buying AC/CM because they’re low level dungeons and easily accessible, so people buy them for fast levels which people don’t do for Arah, since it’s not as easily accessible.

Ah no, I was discussing duo because of the OP. Man, I can’t remember the last time I was able to sell for 5G! Last time I sold for 3G. With my own end chest reward that put me at ~7.5G per hour, which is quite bad.

Yeh, SW is ~12G per hour. Chest farming is, granted I didn’t count in the VW events, so that’s my mistake.

Meh, I still can’t look at low man Arah running as gold making, even at 10G/h. If you’re in the mood to make gold, you go do something else if you ask me. I’ll low man Arah for fun. The few pieces of gold at the end are just a bonus.

No no, that’s my point, I duo Arah because it’s fun, not because of the gold. I don’t exploit dungeons otherwise.

EDIT: Ah, I wanted to say this: solo/duo AC is MUCH more gold/hour than Arah!

Jerus.4350:

This is… wow. I… am I reading this?

Profit: the monetary surplus left to a producer or employer after deducting wages, rent, cost of raw materials, etc.:

fracture, notice that there is no time in that definition either. In GW2 you drop coin on potions/waypoints/food.

Time is not a concern, only costs. If the owner of a company works 80 hours a week or 20, but doesn’t pay himself an hourly wage there is no difference in terms of profit.

Right, agreed! Thanks for writing again what I already wrote in this thread! But with this in mind, literally anything is profit, so instead of duoing arah, why not collect cabbage for 4 copper instead, right? The original question is entirely non valid by this logic, since asking for “how to duo sell arah for profit” is meaningless, because any sell is profit. So please, enough with the straw man, of course g/h is what everyone wants to know.

Jerus.4350:

But, man, what the hell am I doing?

And wasn’t it shown a long time ago that picking up a second job IRL and using that extra money to buy gems was the best Gold/Hour. So, if you’re playing the game “you aren’t making a profit”

Right you are! Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on that one.

bladex.9502:

fracture.9754:

I’m sorry arguments confuse you.

Obviously, you find ~6-8G/h profit, while I find it a loss of gold, since I could make more in this time. It’s a different perspective, you just settle for less, that’s all.

You’re not making 6-8G/h while selling Arah, its at least 15-20g/h if done efficiently.
Also, if you rather mindlessly farm SW for gold instead of selling dungeon paths, go do that, but don’t comment on a post about selling dungeon paths

Maybe you didn’t read the forum thread before posting, but I said you duo arah for FUN not for PROFIT (G/h ratio for all the snowflakes). That’s the whole point of this discussion. No problem, I will present the discussion to you AGAIN.

Why do you duo arah for fun, not for profit? Because gold per hour ratio in duoing arah isn’t as good as elsewhere.

Right, let’s see. In a casual, relaxed duo I will finish Arah P2 in 35-40 minutes. We’re talking duo, since you know…the title of the thread and the entire thread is about duoing. On average, I find it takes me 20 minutes to sell the 3 spots. Sometimes I sell them for 3G, sometimes for 4, very rarely for 5. I’ll take the average of 4g per spot, which would mean I make 7.5G in an hour it takes me to do this. Your numbers are 15-20G, anywhere between 2-2.67 times higher than me! So this either means you sell the spots for ~10G per (I don’t believe it) or you finish the path + selling in ~25 minutes (I don’t believe it). Either way, I’m calling BS on that number.

I’m sorry arguments confuse you.

Obviously, you find ~6-8G/h profit, while I find it a loss of gold, since I could make more in this time. It’s a different perspective, you just settle for less, that’s all.

SlyDevil.3952:

Always been curious about warframe, never gotten around to it though.

It’s a dressed up gear grinder. No, really, that’s all you can do – grind gear. It’s like Diablo, only more action paced, more involved.

As I said months ago, I’m not buying the expansion until I see challenging group content. If it turns out to be kitten, I’m not buying the expac at all.

I like the new system of obfuscating nicknames.

MORE!

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

fracture.9754:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

fracture.9754:

Nobody buys Arah anymore. Sometimes I find it hard to find people to leech from me, let alone buy. Last time I did it I was able to sell 2 spots for 2.5G (so that’s for profit of the buyer) and give 2 spots for leech to guildies.

Do you understand better now, or do you require further explanation?

No, I still don’t understand. Even if you sold for 2.5 gold per slot you’re still “profiting,” as well as the buyer.

To profit, you have to sell your time well. Selling your time for 2.5 gold per slot is not well, when you can make more gold in silverwastes doing nothing.

If additional explanation of basics is required, let me know. Thanks!

So you only profit when you maximize profit?

I guess the millions of companies besides Walmart, BP, and Apple are SOL then?

This argument doesn’t make any sense. The word “profit” doesn’t mean “make as much money as possible with your time.”

Edited because I forgot a word.

Well, comparing it to real life companies is a huge logical fallacy, since it takes no in-game costs to just play the game, which can not be said for companies. You see if you want to see profit, very generally speaking, you would subtract the costs of operating from the money you make. In game you can not do so, since play time doesn’t cost in-game gold.

Also, there are millions and millions of companies worldwide and only like 20 ways to make gold (yes, this is a made up number, before you hang yourself on it), so you can not translate top 3 ways to make gold = top 3 companies in the world. Relatively speaking, one could compare like top 20% companies to top 20% ways of making gold, but it’s still a very, very poor argument and I don’t feel like even going into more details over it.

If you need any additional explanation of basics let me know, thanks!

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

fracture.9754:

Nobody buys Arah anymore. Sometimes I find it hard to find people to leech from me, let alone buy. Last time I did it I was able to sell 2 spots for 2.5G (so that’s for profit of the buyer) and give 2 spots for leech to guildies.

Do you understand better now, or do you require further explanation?

No, I still don’t understand. Even if you sold for 2.5 gold per slot you’re still “profiting,” as well as the buyer.

To profit, you have to sell your time well. Selling your time for 2.5 gold per slot is not well, when you can make more gold in silverwastes doing nothing.

If additional explanation of basics is required, let me know. Thanks!