Guild Wars 2

Yannir.4132:

girien.1209:

Yannir.4132:

Vigorous Attitude is kinda underwhelming, though I suppose it could work with a P/Sh combination. But 1st they would have to buff MH pistol skills for it to be viable at all.

mmm I dont think so. Main damage in P is with Unload or Stealth Attack, with p/sh you can spam body shot?

That would be annoying but not really effective as Body Shot doesn’t do a whole lot of damage. Hence why I said they need to boost MH pistol damage for this to be viable. And stealth attack doesn’t work well here because there’s no reliable way to stealth up. With a build like this you would be kitten annoying but you couldn’t kill anything. I’m looking at this from a PvP standpoint btw.

(And Daredevils would screw you up in major ways.. Immunity to Immob and all that)

My main idea is lose the mobility of DD but increase the One vs One role. In sPvP will be worst decap or +1, but excels in 1vs1

Yannir.4132:

I’m guessing english isn’t your native language. What is this power you keep referring to? Surely you don’t mean the stat? Because that would be underwhelming. You mean Might, right?

Yes edit.

The weapon skills on shield are a bit underwhelming, you might consider making them a bit stronger. Like adding another boon to S5 or make S4 do some damage too, or make it stun instead of daze.

Is only a concept. I think that CD0 stun will be OP. But yes, dmg in S4 will be ok.

Vigorous Attitude is kinda underwhelming, though I suppose it could work with a P/Sh combination. But 1st they would have to buff MH pistol skills for it to be viable at all.

mmm I dont think so. Main damage in P is with Unload or Stealth Attack, with p/sh you can spam body shot?

Offensive Attitude: the standard for this trait is 15%. But this would still be a huge DPS boost for D/P thieves which I don’t see happening.

I was thinking to boost Sword AA, but yes, in D/P maybe op.

Defensive Attitude: You can just make it a flat, unconditional damage reduction, no need to complicate it.

My view of a thief spec is an “Iñigo Montoya style fighting” based on classic fencing style.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_European_martial_arts. Focused in stances and initiative management. New Skills stances.

F1-> Steal to Piercing Strike (Traits to work with steal works with piercing strike) its a Teleport with a hard hitting weapon strike.

Weapon-> Shield (Buckler)
4, Dazes target 1 second,
5, Weakness to target and grants aegis

3(sword)
Block Duration 0,5 secs, if a attack its blocked switch to larcenous strike (same of dagger).
3(pistol)
Dazes target, evade backwards and shoots.
3(dagger)
Dazes target and jump at the back of target hitting with the dagger.

Heal.
Defensive stance: Duration 4 secs CD 25, initial heal 1500, you evade all attacks, for each attack you evade, heal you 750.

Riposte Stance: Duration 10 Secs CD 20, each time you block or evade and attack you attack your foe low strike.

Precision Stance: Duration 5 Secs CD 30, you gain fury your attacks are unblockable

balanced attitude: Duration 5 Secs CD 30, stunbreaker, you gain Stability(3)
Focused Stance: Duration 10 secs CD 20, you gain 5 might you deal 10% increased damage

Elite Flourish: Cast time 1 sec, CD 20, stunbreaker you gain 6 Ini and next attack is unblockable

Minor:
First Blood, Critical hits bleeds target
Lethal Dance, Mov Speed Increase 25%. You get 1 Ini each time you hit your foe in the back (2 ICD)
Prepare to die!. You gain 3 Ini each time you kill a foe (10 ICD) when you reach 0 Ini you gain 5 might

1st Level
Shield Combat: Gain 1Ini each time you block a attack.
Dual Welding: Dual Skills returns 1Ini if you hit both attacks and deals 1 more damage.
Fast Foots: Stance CD reduced 20%. You gain 1 might each time you hit a foe when a stance is active.

2nd Level
Face to Face: 7% increase damage when you attack the front of the target
Perfect Stance: Gain 1Ini each 5 secs you are in a stance
Successive Strikes: Each hit you inflict a “Spotted” debuff (stackable) every time you hit a targed with this, you have a 5 * (Number of Spotted)% chance to deal extra damage and remove all the Spotted stack.

3rd Level:
Offensive Attitude: 20% attack speed increased
Deffensive Attitude: 10% damage reduction if you hit in your front arc.
Vigorous Attitude: 2Ini each 10 secs if your Endurance is full.

Gaile Gray.6029:

As others have noticed, I play—every day—on my personal account. My goal is to get Dreamer, so I’m farming my little heart out.

Each ArenaNet staff member has a personal play account. This may be a new account created upon joining the team, or a previous account that the team member had before s/he joined the firm. Some team members also have a separate account for official business, such as forum posting. (That’s the one I’m using right now.) A few of us have a third account for playing, but we use that account in such a way that we do not impact the game economy in any way. (This is super helpful for player events, and the “no economic impact” makes it clear we can’t come to an event and hand out precursors. )

I think it’s safe to say that we all love the game!

Hmmm that frog… I remember some frog like this in GW1 Lions arch….

Wtf…
L2p
/15char

Ergolicious.1507:

You guys really only like Thief among all the classes? That’s a shame

Yes!
I leave… GG Cryers

Wait, people used it for something other than for the BP?HS combo?

Yes… Stupid warriors camps on the smoke field. Now that stupid warriors still killing us without care of take away a single step.

+1, Im done. With the thief and with the game.

Daily Thief QQ: Check!

Read daily thief QQ: Check!

Benjamin.8237:

Mesmer and Engineer are both harder to play than thief, I was doing well on my thief in about 10 hours of playing one for the first time.

Ha, ha ha ha ha…

I play Turret engi with one hand, while im eating a sandwich

HI, year 2012 says “pls return my HS complain THX!”

Peow peow.2189:

Hop off the thief bandwagong and play a hard class like engi or ele

lol…

Yes, he must be trolling…

vincecontix.1264:

Just play like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxwOkoeUK3M

Hambow dealing 7K dmg with hammer auto attacks, and 12k eviscerates its fine balanced , but 7k backstab and spam 6 evades in a row, NERF NERF! NERF theef!!

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-cF3V;1VwF_06-FOFd0;9;49;0TT2;612746BINl66;1H7W3H7W35BV

Because the ONLY weakness in necro is CCing him. High HP, DS, insane (and totally OP) damage, I Win button (lich form), etc.

And I say that some warrior says to me (thief) “if you want stability, take dagger storm and cancel it…”. Do the same with plage/liche form….

LordByron.8369:

Zacchary.6183:

Then give us survivability elsewhere or no deal.

> Stealth keeps us from dying to bad players who can’t aim their ranged autos and stand still when stealth pops.

You didn t even read the huge amounbt of pages written on this forum to disprove this.

Yet despite your lack of experience you feel you can tell other players they are bad?

I think the lack of experience isn’t in zachary…

Stealth in GW2 breaks every concept of balance othe gaming companies ever have

The real fact is ONLY an awful bad stealth thief can die….unless the thief has some reason to not flee (see PvP capture points).

In WWW thieves are simply immortal if they know how to play their profession.

When did Anet says that WvW will be balanced?

Nerf our survivability without equal compensation and thieves become walking lootbags. Nobody will play one simply because of it. Dec. 10th update says hello.

I don t agree.
The lowest skill floor push many thieves to think their profession is tied to stealth.

But thief has:
1) panic button to teleport, cleanse and break stun all at once.

Only cleanse when RETURNS. and 50 secs CD…, And thief’ isn’t the ones who have it. Eles and mesmers have it too.

2) Stealth

Actually, the most common thief (S/D) haven’t access to Stealth instead of SR and if u have problems with SR, sadly its a L2P issue…

3) best evasion uptime in game

im a thief, and i play agains other thieves, thats about timing your skills. And Btw thieves can spam evades with:
S/D: no stealth build, thats the ONLY defense of this thief
ShortBow: Spamming 3, or burning down you ini pool useless…

4) Best damage in game on viable builds

Power Necro says hello!!

5) Best mobility

So whats the matter? someone will have the “Best mobility”. And instead of Z-axys travel, warriors are faster…

6) Medium armor

WOOOOOW!!!!, The OPness of medium armor is insane!! they have medium armor. Thieves will wear a little tanga! and crocs shoes!!!!

7) very good condition spam

condi thief is a joke. And btw P/D thief havent evades, damage isn’t good, etc etc etc

8) initiative

because of yes!! nerf ini all of it!.

9) chill immunity

OMG i just learn that -66% of movement speed doesn’t affect to thieves, and the F1, healing skill, elites and utiltys doesn’t affected the chill!!
NERF NERF!!

If this game wasn t balanced on capture points, but on Killing opponent thief would have been banned from every sort of third party competition (that mostly doesn t exist for a reason….).

P.S. don t come up with the 30/30/30/30/30 excuse… you can have most of those with a single build…but alsoproves how you can rely on different builds Stealth+burst or condi+evade etc etc

Hilarious…

LOL

Enough said…

Its simple…
Dagger:
Autotatack (no nerfed, directly… )
HS: Nerfed
Dancing Dagged: Nerfed to the ground (50% dmg)
CnD: Nerfed

Pistol:
No nerfs here (directly)

Sword
Autoatack (no nerfed, directly)
infiltrator strike (nerfed)
infiltrators return (totally nerfed 2 times , removed stun breaker, and added casting time)

Shortbow
autoatack (no nerfed, directly)
cluster bomb (nerfed, 2 times, range and dmg)
evade shot(nerfed)
poison field (nerfed, 2 times, 1 “weakness on poison” trait, 2nd poison duration)
infiltrator arror (nerfed)

Dual skills:

Pistol Whip: Nerfed, -15% dmg and 1 ini cost.
Larcerous strike: Nerfed, 1 ini cost, and 1 less boon stealed.

And the worst is… QQs still here…

Lue.6538:

Raunchy.6891:

People also haven’t realized that with the Ferocity change crit damage in pvp on the zerker amulet actually got buffed. That’s why everything is hitting harder. It’s amazing that this happens and people complain but thieves have been backstabbing for 10k+ since always.

The crit damage just needs to be lowered again that’s all if you guys a really think it’s so bad.

They only think its bad because its not a thief doing the damage.

They think its bad because its a IA (where the mesmer its in stealth) doing the damage. The thief must be exposed, and BS have position requirements, melee range and puts revealed on the thief. Mesmer only push a button and facerrolls in stealth

Yes… and 9K from a iZerker while the mesmer sits in stealth.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

To put it another way; I have yet to see any dragon or phoenix rank people that did not main thief.

Then you need to know more ppl.

Sinister.5792:

RULES: Keep this thread civilised no kittens no doggies and definitely no quaggans

In this thread lets hear your opinions about this.

Necro
1. Fear Duration

The problem isn’t the duration (for me at least) its the amount of fears… 10 secs fear isn’t a problem, the problem its 3 fears of 3 seconds (mark, ds, nightmare runes etc…) for 10 secs fear, Stunbreaker and its gone, but 3 fears… its totally OP. “Take 7 conds and now i will chain 3 fears… I WIN!!, Im a skillful player!!!, I kill you facerrolling!!”

2. Deathshroud

Too much damage reduction, a MM can simply go afk taking damage with DS while the minions do the job… Only in MM have this problem

3. Dhuumfire

Now i think its OK

4. Signet of Spite

ok, no animation (so no “actively” dodgeable, it depends only of luck…), no requirements… and a necro can kill a low HP class just hitting a button. Yes insanely OP. Another “I win button” of the list.

5. Corrupt Boon

Its fine, imho, one class will be able to do that…

Elementalist
1. Diamond Skin
2. Written in stone
3. Stone heart
4. Signet of restoration

i don’t see nothing of a Elementalist OP. And i main a thief…

Warrior
1. Healing signet

Add to the list the ratio Defense/Damage of the Hambow.
And condiwarriors…. Dual sword warriors stacking 20+ bleeds in 3 seconds. With 9secs cooldown.

Engineer
1.Inciendery powder (THE BURNING)
2.Inciendery ammo

And turrets.

And the main problem.

Condition Damage.

Direct Damage needs 3 stats. (pow, pre and ferocity).

Condition Damage only 1.

That would be fine if condition damage was damage over time, and you can clean yourself easily (if you equip condition cleaning).

But now exists the condition burst (it will be a contradictory term!!!) its an aberration. And condition cleaning its ridiculous.

Ok, nerf thief infiltrator arrow.

Of course, the necro brainless fear chains (the Uber I WIN BUTTON) its fine.
the brainless necro AoE spam its fine.

Just nerf the thief mobility to the necros level. (but no give the fear, the hp pool…)

The amount of QQs about the thief is near the QQs Singularity.
Thief damage its now a crap (compared to necros, warriors, and eles)
Thief toughness its the worst of the game.
Now thief have only mobility, so NERF it!!

PD: Yesterday i was playing a necro in tpvp… Easy Mode… (as main thief im raging)

originally by: Leeto.1570

What: Thief Mobility!
Why: As a many necro, the thief mobility its a problem for me. I can kill the thief spamming scepter autoattacks.(https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Thief-requires-serious-redesign/first#post3932590) But the thief come back quickly!!! PLS nerf.
Suggestion: Maybe 3s autostun after a TP, or permasnare or better, quit the shortbow and give the thief a walker or a wheelchair!

Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Thief-requires-serious-redesign

1st QQ about Thief DPS.
Anet: nerf DPS (now a GS autoattack hits like 80% of BS, without position/stealth requeriment, but ppl still QQing)
2nd QQ about Thief survival.
Anet: nerf thief S/D, but ppl still QQing
3nd QQ about Thief Stealth, “Make Stealth ends when a thief fails a bs” Said by a PU mesmer who sits in stealth while the clones do the job…

Now QQ about thief mobility.

Pls Anet, another nerf, give the thief selfpermasnare if teleports (cause is a thief not usain bolt!! an atletic warrior must run more than a thief!!)

Repeat with me:

Permastealth in sPVP its a CRAP.

Thief has the best BURST in the game (warriors deals more dmg). And don’t forget, thief have 10k base hp. Against 18k Warrior HP.

If you are talking about WvW, WvW isn’t balanced, if u want balanced plays try sPvP or chess. But if you die against a 30SA permastealth build:

-That build its a trolling build, totally useless, and if u die its because you play his game, just go away (i play a s/d thief, and i totally ignore permastealths thief’s and they can’t kill me, with 15k HP and 917 To. If you engage with him you gonna lose. Same with PU mesmers (more annoying, they only sits in stealth while the clones do the job)
-Or if u dead instadeleted, probably you are running a full zerker build with no stunbreaks. So the problem its yours.

ShadowNinja.1238:

Rename the video to Thief Shortbow, Bad Enemies & Trash Talking!

You used S/D like 20% of the fight. You just spammed 1 and 3 on Shortbow and called the engineer bad after you stomped him. You can’t call someone bad if you killed them by spamming 1. Show some duels against non-brain dead people and try actually use the weapon 90% of the time that you stated in the title.

Btw showing your name and saying that you have bolt and incinerator in the title tells us you’re attempting to show off, but you’re failing because you trash talk and you post videos vs noobs, and all you do is spam 1 and 3 on Shortbow.

/rant

As a good thief must do.

Nice video. The fight against the engi its hard. Everythief knows how hard is dueling vs eng

R4I better than SS???
Aprils fool day is end.

SS>>R41 because:
SS its instant, so you can use it while casting Shadow embrace, or stomping.
SS has condition removal, R41 too, but only the conditions that withdraw cleans… when u are burning, bleeding, tormented, and crippled, chilled, rooted, just withdraw or SE+SS.
whit SS u can do fast move and z-axis movement.
SS works good for zerg surfing, SS, burst combo, SR.
You can do SS without fear in EoTM, R4I in a cliff map its the BEST way of get a premature dead.

(in sPvP, SS>>>>>>>>>R4I)

as a thief (who thinks SA its worthless), ill like that change, and ill add a grand master trait:

Brawless Assassin (DA): Thief is permarevealed, whatever he ttys to enter stealth, instead the thief gets Fury and 5Power.