Guild Wars 2

I commend you on your initiative. Good luck.

@ Ordibble

Thanks for the tip. We’ve been trying that during every single match up. The problem is that GoM is incredibly disorganized and uncoordinated, and beyond repair, really.

@ Westonate

These guilds don’t need GoM to start winning. These guilds need GoM to start listening to others, and cooperate with one another.

Here are a few examples as to why guilds leave the server, or the game altogether:

1) Commanders who don’t have the ability to lead, make dictator-like decisions, without being open-minded to the suggestions of others. These Commanders tend to be elitists. These Commanders have zero coordination abilities, leadership or logistics thinking.

2) Group think prevents people from thinking logically, and anything that’s suggested that’s different from the group think is flamed upon, ignored, and pushed into oblivion. This is why the zerg continues to fail.

3) With any alliance that has happened (I’ve been in many of them), the one common factor is that there is always at least one guild/individual that wants to take charge and rule with an iron fist.

4) Most new/old WvWers who don’t know how to WvW do not care to listen or learn the way to WvW effectively.

5) If you don’t have a Commander’s icon, no one will listen to you.

It’s plain and simple. After day in and day out, you get sick of this, and you can’t blame people for wanting to transfer or quit.

So I say again, it’s not about GoM starting to win. It’s about having at least an ounce of communication and coordination. Most powerful WvWers don’t care about the winning aspect. They want to enjoy playing in a coordinated, organized manner. That’s all they ask.

@Westonate

Well good luck yo you. You sure started off on the right foot didn’t you.

Anyway, let me just say there are some dormant WvW focused guilds still on GoM. By dormant I mean they have taken a break due to the crap shoot GoM is in. If you can prove that GoM can play in an organized, structured and coordinated manner, they may return and be a great asset to GoM.

So much for reset huh? Lmao

@ Thundar

That’s all I do in WvW. In fact I was just in your party yesterday, rolling camps.

Perhaps you’re right. But something needs to change, and obviously when anyone says anything that differs from the status quo in team chat, they get flamed, and they continue to do things that are proven to not work. So my hostility is probably due to that frustration. I’ll tone it down I promise.

@ Divinorium

You’re doing a great job at turning our server aren’t you? I applaud you for that.

You love making assumptions.
You love insulting people who have the good intention of trying to help the server. Their approach may be wrong, but they have the same intention as everyone else, which is to get this server out of the gutter.
You love picking apart people’s proposed solutions, without offering any alternatives of your own.

People like you deter players with good intentions away.

You might want to think about getting rid of that condescending tone of yours, it adds nothing to the conversation, or the solution. Not just in the forum, but in team chat too. I’ve argued with your stubborn kitten too often and all it does is add to demoralization.

I get it, server hopping ruins WvW.

But what I don’t get is that why we don’t do anything about the things we CAN change. We can’t change transfers, so learn to accept it and work with it. What we CAN change is the way we play WvW.

What pisses me off most is people saying “oh yea oh yea it’s anet’s fault oh yea there’s nothing we can do about it”. There IS something you can do about it, it’s to correct the way GoM plays WvW. Get out of the zerg, play smart, don’t be idiots like we continue to be day in and day out. So what if people transfer? Look at Kaineng, they’re in a deeper crap hole than we are, but they still manage to find way to have fun, play skirmishes, play WvW the way it should be.

GoM is embarrassing. GoM commanders who keep repeating things and expecting different results are embarrassing. GoM players who follow zergs thinking it’s “legitimate WvW” and calling skirmishes “illegitimate” is embarrassing.

Honestly, the blame game is getting old. Accept the way things are and do something about it. If Kaineng is having fun while being in a worst situation than we are, why can’t we?

zzzzzz.

You can get the same amount of xp/karma by splitting into parties of 5, capping supply camps, without being in a zerg.

Of course it’s more challenging, so if you’re looking for a lazy way out, you should probably rethink your involvement in WvW.

I hope those who are for zerging play against the top tier servers, and see how effective their zerg is. GoM used to zerg and still does. SoR just followed behind and recapped everything GoM capped within a few minutes.

It’s a pity people have had this happen to them, and still don’t learn. I’m looking at some of you, GoM commanders.

I love how everyone is blaming everything else but themselves. Of course, they’re always the innocent ones for the problems they’re facing.

Mara.5372:

You know, as someone who spends admittedly too many hours in WvW, it really bothers..No, almost offends me that people are accrediting our success on SoR to these “transfer guilds” we received. Like SoR wasn’t doing well before hand or something.

I mean for kittens sake, stop pointing fingers, playing the blame game, and the poor sportsmanship, from all sides. Take responsibility for lack of participation, motivation, players, and move on, learn from your losses or mistakes. What is all this nonsense going to achieve in the end? Do not sit here and belittle each other over something so menial that will not even be remembered in a few months.

SoR, show some dignity. Yes, we are winning. Fantastic. Grow complacent, and we will fall right back to where we started. I for one, and I know the other guilds who have spent the past weeks helping the server in WvW do not appreciate this sort of behavior. Guilds from other servers who have just now transferred here this week, like I said, I welcome you, however, please do not pretend like you are knights in shining armor here to save SoR. SoR has been doing fine and will continue to do so if that is what our community wants.

I understand clearly why you were voted as #1 commander of your server. My hat is off to you.

SoR, you are very lucky to have a leader as great as Mara.

GoM, open. your. eyes.

@ Waterbear

Wise words. I’ll heed your advice.

To GoM zergers:

You guys must be the densest people on the planet.

You guys complain of lag, and wanting xp/karma, but you don’t realize that a 30+ zerg divided into 3 parties can cap three places at the same time, easily.

You ignore those who try to help, you talk smack to those who disagree with the zerg.

Well I hope GoM gets matched up with Kaineng so you can learn to stop being stubborn and egoistic.

From a GoM player, I hope SoR destroys GoM.

edit: When you say that capping supply camps in parties of 5 is “illegitimate WvW”, GoM, you have lost all respect from the entire world of GW2.

This. It would entice people to make sure dolyaks reach towers/keeps, so upgrades can be purchased.

Right now not enough dolyaks reach, and too many people steal supplies from towers/keeps.

@ OP

There is no other way.

If you’re the only one with the common sense to build sieges, it’ll be tough to go back and forth from camps to tower/keep to build sieges without people to help you.

Walking dolyaks is critical as well. It’s boring as HELL because obviously you’re walking, but you’re defending the dolyaks to make sure they get to the tower/keep.

Dolyaks = supply in tower/keep = upgrade.

Typically it shouldn’t be difficult, but many commanders don’t have the sense to defend or upgrade (zerg commanders), which is why these tasks are tougher.

@ etsmith

Lmao. Nah I’m not on YB (no I’m not a spy -_-). I’ve been saying this in the other thread about how people who transfer are cowards and traitors. It makes sense.

What I’d like to do is to do things that the zerg doesn’t do, or neglects to.

1) Defense
2) Upgrades
3) Build sieges
4) Harrass areas the zerg isn’t hitting
5) Hylek/Dredge/Quaggans

The first 3 is boring and expensive, but it needs to be done regardless. The fact that so many commanders neglect them is infuriating.

@ etsmith

Eh? Not at all. O_o I’m not even sure what server you’re from..

@ Bunnehboo

It’s admirable that you’ve been so successful in turning your server around and that’s what many of us strive for. I’m not defending the bandwagon hoppers because I think they should go to hell. However there are a selected few who have tried their best to work things out, the problem is that it’s getting nowhere and becomes a waste of time and energy. Try working with mules, that’s how difficult it is.

There’s really only so much loyalty can triumph over exhaustion, and enough is enough. We’re humans, even the Dalai Lama would kill kittens working with some of these people.

This thread is getting side-tracked, but one thing I would hope is that, yes, GoM (and Yaks?) may have had low participation due to whatever problems we may have internally, and I congratulate SoR for winning, but there are a few SoR who are so high on their horses and laugh at the predicament of other servers.

Stay classy.

You’re winning, fine, that’s great. But saying “I’m bored fighting these two” really doesn’t help anything. Take Mara as an example, stay humble, stay modest. There’s no need for elitist and arrogance just because you’re winning. Keep the sportsmanship.

@ Bunnehboo, I like that too, only thing is I haven’t seen a GOM do it yet. Unless I missed it?

Walabone.6713:

@gosu

I hope you don’t exist for my entertainment… cause you’re doing as a bad as job of that as capturing stuff in WvW.

LOL. You’re doing a pretty good job of entertaining me with your antics. A+ would read again.

Anyway, to that group of 5 people I rolled with today in SoR Bl capping stuff, it was a good run. We need more parties like this.

Nevron.9413:

To me, zerging is only a negative connotation when applied to how a guild runs. A zerg guild is a guild that needs numbers to compete. When it comes to PuGs, especially with the size of WvW maps and how the game is designed, the zerg is simply the primary numbered melting pot force on the map.

And this negative connation is a good thing. A zerg tactic is a terrible tactic and deserves the negative connotation that comes with it (though in some circumstances it does prove to be effective).

@ Divinorium

Why are you sorry? I agree with every single word you said.

Unfortunately, one of the commanders (one who is in your screenshot), managed to amass a good 30 body zerg, run around GoM BL capping places in the north, only to hold them for a record of 5 minutes. The commanders are bad, yes, but the zerg that follows them are just as bad, if not worst.

@ Juxtapositron

I don’t doubt Mara is correct. I’m sure we’re in the situation you guys have been in the past. But the difference is this: you guys have had great, and humble, leadership to get you back on track to success. GoM is lacking such leadership. Humility is something GoM is apparently allergic to. And when such leadership does arise, it gets “downvoted to hell” (as the reddit expression goes).

@ Mara

It’s not unfortunate at all. In fact I wish the exact same thing. I hope that GoM falls to the tier Kaineng tier, to learn some lessons it should have learned a long time ago about humility, listening to others and open-mindedness. If they will not listen to people, then perhaps life can teach them instead.

Thanks for your wise words Mara.

@ Mara

1.A.i: Unfortunately when the coordination between commanders and non-commanders conflict, the zerg will always listen to the commanders. I am one of the more voiceful non-commanders in GoM, and when there are no commanders present, it works great. However with a commander present, the zerg amasses with the commander, and rips on me like paper.

2.B.ii: I don’t blame the outnumbering at all. That’s a fact of life, and that’s something we need to live with. Those who blame the queue are lazy, unmotivated, and losers who are afraid to take any action when something goes against them. I completely agree with you there. However I cannot control humanity’s flaw.

3.C.iii: That has been attempted 3 times, and continues to be attempted, with and met with failures. There has been 3 alliances, which all met with failures. I’m happy that you were successful with yours. Unfortunately it didn’t go smoothly here. It’s not to say that we haven’t tried, we’ve tried with 150%, and to be honest, it’s exhausting. It’s exhausting to the point where some just want to (or have) quit the game.

4.D.iv and 5.E.v: There has been a meeting (a few). This alliance is called the “Commander Alliance”, where the majority of the commanders meet up. Unfortunately, the following has occurred:

a) Many have taken a break/gone on vacation
b) They are closed minded and are dead set in believing their way or the highway
c) The majority of them are undeserving of their commander icon, have no leadership abilities, have no sense of strategy and tactics
d) And they are empowered by a community of not-so-good players.

This is a recipe for disaster, and the only person I recall that has successfully come back from a similar predicament is Augustus, the Roman Emperor.

edit: It seems like people like you as a commander, and you seem to have excellent leadership abilities. If I had a choice, I’d sure like to be able to play on your server with you.

I hope GoM commanders are reading this post.

If you think taking a zerg around a borderland taking locations, only for the locations to be recaptured not 5 minutes later, end up with Garrison, with the rest of the map blue (we’re green), and calling that successful, I honestly think you should re-evaluate your pretty blue icon above your head.

You completely ignore and condescend those who are trying to provide you with alternatives. You ignore guilds who are able to do what they do best, by telling them to join the zerg. You ignore defence and upgrades, demoralizing those who spent a fortune to buy sieges AND fortification upgrades, only to lose them 5 minutes after.

GoM commanders, get your act together and please throw your ego into the trash bin. Changes need to start with you, and until that happens, GoM will be in this predicament for a long time.

Mara.5372:

To YB, and GoM… Please read this and try to gain some motivation out of it.

You can blame numbers, you can blame transfers, you can blame zergs, you can blame anything honestly.. But in the end, you as servers are only entitled to what you put effort into getting. You cannot logically sit here and point fingers when you know what is causing your servers to do poorly right now. Take responsibility rally up, and do something about it. SoR’s not going to stop fighting, or ease up because your servers do not wish to try right now, and neither should you. Shame on any guilds transferring off of YB or GoM, show some fidelity to your server and man up to help them. To the commanders on YB and GoM, rally your servers. That symbol on your head is more than just a pug magnet, you are supposed to be an example, a guide. If you are using it you have to keep an open mind and work with others, or no one will listen to you or follow you.

Thanks for the attempt at motivation, but do you not believe this has been tried already?

Perhaps I can clear some things for you.

1) Rallying up works when the mass listens and rallies up. Unfortunately without a commander icon, you’re just a non-factor, with no reason for people to rally up to you.
2) We’re not asking you to stop fighting. That’s plain stupid.
3) Guilds transferring off of GoM because of the stupidity of the people on the server, and their inability to follow coordination. It has nothing to do with fidelity. I know many guilds who have put 150% into WvW, but are burnt out and GoM hasn’t improved. Why stay and why put 150% with zero changes? You tell me.
4) The commanders rally. But the commanders are part of the problem. With the exception of 5% of commanders, the rest are as clueless as the zerg is. They are undeserving of their icon. They have no open mind, no leadership, and keep repeating what fails.
5) The commanders will not change, because they have a base of followers (zerg), that blindly follow them.

Given this, do you REALLY think that the rest in GoM aren’t trying? Do you REALLY think people transferring is because of cowardice or traitorous?

I appreciate your intent, however I think you underestimate the stupidity of the server that’s called GoM. Thanks anyway.

I’d say the “Commander” class is the most annoying one to deal with in WvW.

Thieves, and Eles are a far second.

Decimus.5410:

Hats off to you SoR. The organization of your forces is impressive.

GoM this is pathetic. Please rethink your strategy. Running around in one giant zerg will not accomplish meaningful gains in wvw.

Kratts here. I was with you when that catastrophe went down. Unfortunately, the only course of action left is for GoM to learn the hard way. And if they continue to fail to learn, there’s not much hope left.

Thank you for having attempted to defend though.

And to those that called us trolls when Deci forked out a bunch of sieges, only to lose them afterwards, calling defence and upgrade operations “useless”, I sincerely hope time gives you guys a chance to re-evaluate how well you think you’re doing. May the GW2 gods have pity on GoM.

To SoR:

From a GoM player, I would like to congratulate you on the intelligent play you are doing against GoM on GoM BL. An unnamed GoM commander has managed to amass everyone in the GoM BL and running from:

Cragtop → Titan paw → Garrison.

As soon as Cragtop was captured by GoM, and moved on to Titanpaw, you calmly retook Cragtop, due to the fact that there was no defence. While Garrison was being attacked by us, you calmly took Titanpaw. And once Garrison was captured, the entire GoM campaign had only one green location, while the rest are blue.

I sincerely apologize for my Commanders’ inability to realize that, with a zerg, they are unable to keep and hold more than one location at any time, and any captured locations remain undefended, and yours for the taking.

I sincerely apologize for my Commanders’ inability to provide you with intelligent fights and skirmishes that are challenging for you.

To Gate of Madness:

If you are part of the zerg, I am embarrassed that you are content with running around borderlands capturing locations, while SoR and YB follow behind to recapture everything. I am embarrassed that you dare to say “Look, at least we have Garrison”. You will not hold Garrison for long, because the supply is at 0, and we have failed to hold any supply camps. And even if we did, the pack dolyaks would be killed at enemy towers.

The fact that you continue with this zerg is embarrassing, and is the reason why many guilds have left.

Albert Einstein once said “Insanity is when one does the same thing over and over, and expects different results”. It seems we’re insane.

@ Phyzin

Kratts here. I have no doubt your guild, and a few more guild has discipline, but as we’ve both seen, the zerg has a mind of its own, and even your own commands are sometimes ignored by this zerg.

I may be pessimistic in my observation here, but though we did win last match up, as another has pointed out, it was due to the fact that we faced a lower tier, who also employs the zerg approach.

With this particular match-up, not only does YB and SoR reduce their usage of the zerg, they play strategically, in groups of 10-15. With multiple of these groups, they are much more flexible, and we have a harder time to respond.

We always have to adapt to a new opponent, however our lack of adaptation is due to the fact that people don’t have the discipline to follow orders (even from a commander).

Discipline ensures that, though the motivation is low, people would still execute orders; maybe not as effectively, but much more organized than the situation we’re in.

IMO cata shooting at gate is great. It promotes innovative use of other sieges.

Attacker: Ram up
Defender: Counters with cata shooting at gate (If ram is mispositioned)
Attacker: Counters with ranged sieges shooting at gate
Defender: Needs to come up with a way to counter attacker’s ranged sieges
etc.

It’s more challenging and more fun. It forces people to think of counters, and ways to attack/defend. I hate when people whine about things, just to make it easier on themselves. If you want the game to be easy, go play tic-tac-toe.

Walabone.6713:

Can Yak’s and GoM take something? I’m bored.

Lmao, yea so Yaks and GoM exist purely to keep you from getting bored right? -__-

Anyway, until GoM gets more disciplined, we have no business capping anything.

Eeks.1865:

Yeah, GoM has lost almost all of our WvW guilds over the past month. We can no longer compete with any of the mid-tier worlds. We just don’t have the numbers or the strategy at this point =(

The strategy is there.

The numbers did play a factor, but it wasn’t the only factor.

The biggest factor is this: People mindlessly do things on their own, the (one and only) zerg goes to random places it has not business going, ignoring even commanders, and those who have given any ounce of coordination and strategic thinking.

GoM really has ZERO discipline. None whatsoever. And that is the biggest reason why we’re losing.

preech.4071:

Keep posting pics you Yaks bend girls …… its the only week you’re gonna get this. An ill say it again sucker punch tactics with a run and hide flavoring is the only strat you got. I guess Yaks as a whole decided they cant beat SOR unless they have a buff, I think we oughtta be flattered SOR, I take it as a compliment that they had to organize an entire realm to defeat a realm full of players who werent even trying to begin with. But i digress good game so far Yaks ……. enjoy this victory while it lasts, this wont happen again!!

Keep it classy…

Nokaru.7831:

Would you spend 100g to have the Commander icon permanent removed from some commanders?

I sure would.

Qtf.

urtv.8791:

commander should have been based on lifetime kills.only the top x number of people get to have the title

Nope.

100g does not mean you have leadership skills.
High kill ratio also does not mean you have leadership skills.

Ifrit.7296:

It would need to be whomever has been most active over the past ~4 weeks.

Also nope. Frequent presence in WvW does not mean you have leadership skills.

Commanders should be voted by the population.

And even if I have 10 000g, I wouldn’t waste it on a stupid commander icon.

Some of the Commanders on GoM have begun to work together and coordinate together. So on that sense, I give them an A+ on initiative.

However to name any one of them a great Commander is still a far cry. It’s still too early to name any of them “great”. And up until now, I have yet to see one Commander with the following:

1) Leadership: A commander icon does not mean he/she can lead. Leadership is not an ability you can just buy. Leading a zerg is not particularly leading at all, if you’re going to neglect other parts of the game, such as upgrades and defenses.
2) Strategic mind: Most zerg leaders simply cap one place and move on to the next. The skill that’s lacking is to be able to predict enemy movements, plan and execute, by excessive use of the map. It’s like a game of Risk.
3) Charisma and listening to good ideas: Many Commanders have large egos, and refuse to listen to ideas of others. They think their decision is right. This isn’t great leadership at all.

I may be flamed for this post, but that is my criteria of a “great” Commander.

@TsukasaHiiragi.9730: A problem with your argument is that you are simply speculating that GoM is an accessory to the crime. Your deductions are unfortunately without foundation.

To Ehmry Bay and Sorrow’s Furnace:

I have to admit, there were plenty of times both servers have practically given me a heart attack. Don’t fret, there were quite a lot of times that I’ve ran into a group of 2-5 EBay or SF players, and I can tell that they were good at what they were doing. The 1v1s I’ve had (majority of which were lost to your players), the way they captured objectives, and particularly the way they PvP, they knew what they were doing. It was refreshing to see that skill level.

Osirus Fox.6380:

Commander Fox here, from GoM, good job to PRO & BBF alliance for dominating WvWvW this week. Keep up the good work! Commander Alliance for life!

A pat on the back for the Commander Alliance on successful offensive operations, but also a hand of applause for the other unnamed group of individuals not part of the Commander Alliance who have worked hard, and deserve the recognition as well.

Was just in a match-up this morning, and came to Ebay almost owning everything in EB. I have to hand it to Ebay and SF. Ebay nearly managed to take our keep, and it was a scary 3 hours. Afterwards, SF started rolling out repainting much of EB into red.

Intense, intense match-up.

It’s hilarious how so much of this hacking accusation is based on speculation. Yes, we have had hacking incidents in the past, but what proof do you have that all of the orbs were hacked this time?

I can’t speak for the other orbs, but in regards to the orb that was taken from SF’s borderlands, which was located in the north supply camp, was taken in under 4 minutes, with 2 balistas, and a handful of people.

Why?

Because it was undefended, with only NPCs guarding the orb. I can’t fathom how an undefended orb, at the north altar, can be claimed as “hacking”, when it was barely defended.

Any server that leaves their orb at the defence by NPCs, with zero sieges, AND at the north altar, is questionable.

What I’m concerned though, is despite our shameful hacking incidents in the past, there is a growing trend of possibly falsely accusing any server of hacking, (unless completely obvious, like flying straight through walls and stuff).

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Some really great battles tonight, folks. I’m enjoying this matchup very much.

Big ups to the [BBF] team of commanders and James Games for actually getting GoM pretty well coordinated. We’re starting to look like a real team out there.

I’d like to mention that though these individuals have “led” an offensive in the south of GoM BL, it was also the equal effort of the group of individuals who defended the northern half of GoM BL, as well as forking out a limb to make sure the towers and keeps are Tier 3 upgraded.

So cheers to the offensive force, but as well as the defensive/upgrade force.

I’m convinced GoM is just bad. Not 5 minutes ago, we somehow managed to get the orb, and while SoS was in the inner gates of Garrison, our “team” thought it would be a good idea to bring the orb back to Garrison, only for it to be taken 30 seconds later. I love GoM.

Sharpclaw.7510:

I liked fighting GoM in this match. I think, and I’m not really in a position to say, that there was an early morale issue that prevented major pushbacks. Which is a shame because fighting against them still made for some really exciting moments.

I wish I knew more about your side and how things played out. Just out of mere curiosity. There was some obvious leadership, to be sure. But at some point, a switch was flipped. It might have been the night of the orb incident. Which, I don’t think that reasonable people blame on the whole server but I’m all but sure turned GoM into a target from the other two realms for a time.

Thanks! The leadership was there. I can name a list of many great leaders that have done great coordination work. Though the majority is right in stating that it was definitely an issue of being outnumbered, even if the populations were balanced, the root of the problem lies in the fact that people ignore coordination. It’s not that it’s lacking, it’s ignored. When solutions are given, instead of providing alternative solutions, they go on about how bad the idea is. When coordination does work, it’s usually the work of a few guilds working independently from the rest of the players.

So when people are quick to blame on hacking and lack of leadership/coordination, I am baffled as to why they do so. Population is merely one problem. The other problem to be addressed is to have people open minded enough to actually listen to coordination. If they don’t give coordination, then at least listen to coordination that’s given.

I love how people who mention anything about hacking thinks that every single player in GoM hacks.

I also love how people blame leadership problem, when in fact the leadership is there, yet it’s more the bad players who fail to keep an ear open. In fact, I think it’s more so that the majority of the people in GoM think they know what to do, when in fact they have zero understanding of what to do. There are great leaders and great guilds in GoM, the only problem is that the mass of the people fail to take a step back, and listen to the coordination being given. When you need to tell people not to take supplies from forts and keeps over 20 times, and even after whispering them they still do it, it’s not bad leadership or lack of person to step up and coordinate, it’s the population.

Coordination is given AMPLE times, it is simply not received. The fault lies within the majority of the players themselves. No one else.

I may not be from Kaineng, but sir, I stand and applaud to thee. I particularly enjoyed the article you wrote in your tumblr. Well done.

I sincerely wish that my own server, GoM, undergoes a similar transformation. This serves as an inspiration.

Cloud.7613:

Creating an alliance against GoM? I’ve been online for pretty much since the start of all this and we’ve targeted no one in particular, without belittling your server, you gave up rather early, hence we picked on you more. But honestly I don’t blame you, or anyone on your server that wasn’t involved and anyone who would is ignorant. Sea of Sorrows forgives you and I hope this matter gets solved soon, GoM doesn’t deserve to be looked down upon as cheaters/hackers.

I don’t speak for all of GoM, but I do share your sentiment about GoM giving up too early. Our server is incredibly disorganized, and the only time there is a queue, is at reset time. As soon as GoM begins to lose, people give up, and others start hacking. The guilds that are dedicated to organized WvW are left with a mess, and is difficult to coordinate any operations whatsoever.

I hope by stating this publicly, fellow GoM players can take action to re-establish ourselves into a competing server, and one in which other servers can enjoy facing. A movement for an alliance has already begun, but we need the entire server population to realize that for us to turn around, we need to drop our ego, stop arguing, and stop doing the stupid things we always do, and start listening to ideas.

Tarnished Coast, Sea of Sorrows and other servers:

I know many GoM players have stated this, and I realize I am only one voice of the many in GoM, however I would like to sincerely and publicly apologize for this incredibly unsportsmanlike conduct by a handful of those who love to ruin the game for everyone.

I do not blame you for creating an alliance against GoM, and you certainly have the right to continue doing so, however please understand that this is the work of a rogue player(s), and it is NOT condoned by the rest of the GoM server population. We (or I rather) truly apologize for these hackers ruining your WvW experience. I am ashamed and embarrassed for the actions of these hackers.

I do hope that in the coming weeks, GoM would be given the chance to re-establish, and organize itself so that these hacking incidents are greatly diminished. I hope that should these incidents occur again, we would have a system in place to rebalance the game for the other competing servers.