So I run either D/P or S/D in pvp, pretty standard builds most of the time. Occasionally I’ll mess around with stuff in hotjoin. I have no idea how to counter some mesmers. Even as S/D where I have amazing access to evades, I mess up one time and I literally implode.
It’s basically a choice between two deaths, either I go D/P and hope mesmers I encounter are condi since I can at least stealth away most of their damage however I get destroyed by power mesmer (which is most of them) since I don’t have enough blind/evade to avoid their burst before I can kill them. Or I run S/D and have a better chance to avoid power burst but get wrecked by condition mesmer. Sword 2 can only clear one at a time and when you have high stacks of multiple condis ticking on you, you just melt as a thief even in marauders.
It’s at the point where I don’t even try fighting mesmers at all. I don’t mind if a fight is tough. I am always willing to learn and get better. But there is little to no room to learn when a fight takes < 1 second.
Most of the time when I play thief in spvp I get undefended points, help rez people, help burst down low targets, stay mobile, things thiefs are supposed to do. I will go for a 1v1 on a node if I think I can get it, since most of the time I know I can at least disengage and go to another node. However I am at my wits end on my thief where mesmers are concerned. Please halp =(
Gun Flame is the improved version of the Warrior rifle burst ability when they take their elite spec. Also I’ve had true shot hit me way harder than my backstabs hit. Running marauders in PVP I get maybe, maybe 6k backstabs. I got true shot for 9k+ over the weekend. Sometimes I feel like there is no incentive to play a thief when the damage is so low compared to what other classes can do.
At least it’s fun. I think.
Glad to hear that one of their traps is bugged (sounds like the warrior rifle burst bug). I learned over the weekend to let someone else approach a DH on a point as stealing in was insta death =D at least I know why now!
TESO is coming. WIll be nice to not have to deal with such bad balance issues.
I can’t wait for the amazing, engaging combat I experienced in beta… /sarcasm
Conditions in WvW are far, far worse than spvp because of access to dire gear and food buffs. I used to roam and pvp about equal amounts but since SoR sucks now I pretty much just pvp and imo it’s more fun. A lot of time “roaming” is just running around for ~1 hour to find a decent fight and as soon as you do you just get rolled by a large group. If you like actually fighting other players on a consistent basis and not having to worry about getting blown up by conditions because you have the wrong runes/food buff then pvp is the way to go.
It’s essentially impossible for an ele to beat a competent warrior in wvw. My ele is built fairly durable, 0/20/0/20/30 or standard 0/10/0/30/30 d/d… usually soldiers or cav armor with celestial trinkets. Boon duration for high protection uptime etc. Even if you are traited/geared defensively a warrior will tear through you. Then there are the super high healing condi bunker warriors… /shudder
Then I look at my warrior with almost full zerker on, almost 20k hp, ~2800 armor, way better healing, way better utilities… just makes me sigh. If warriors aren’t “OP” then they are very, very, very, very good right now.
Just wanted to say your videos are absolutely amazing. Inspirational! =D
Also, just had to throw this in there… to quote the OP himself on the usefulness of this build:
Why you wouldn’t want to use zerker and knowingly be worse than others is beyond me… https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first
Gives all the support you need along with great dps, sustain comes from playing ability, and of course full zerker everything, healing power in dungeons just harms your team more than anything and people who use it are bad
Think you should take some pointers from yourself O.o
Oh man, always with the zerker..
Yes, yes, we all know it is the most efficient.But this is a game and sometimes it isn’t about being super uber efficient (surprise), it is about having fun.
He/She specifically asked for a non-zerker build/armor combination, yet you still suggest zerker. What is so wrong in having different playstyles to keep things interesting?And no build provides 100% protection. The player does that with skillful use of all abilites, dodging the right times and using the skills the most efficient way possible, with careful timing and the knowledge what to use when.
Newsflash, not all players are experienced like that. Not all players are always on high alert. Not all players like going all out offensive.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vUAQFACiIwUAAPC + press 1 = 100% protection uptime
Bringing more blinds/aegis/reflects to your party is more beneficial than this… If you want to be supportive at least use a hammer build, perma protection with decent dps is better than healing especially since protection is independent of stats. The idea with a guardian is that we have the most defensive stat independent options for group play.
At around 42 min into the clip you note “it’s funny people still died with all the healing I bring…” This should kinda clue you into the fact that you aren’t being that helpful. With gs s/f you bring cc (binding blade) and ways to avoid damage (3 blinds, personal block focus 5). All of these are completely independent of stats.
In short, avoiding damage >>>>>>>>>> healing. Since ways to avoid damage in this game are independent of stats it makes much more sense to utilize those and stack offensive stats. It’s literally the best of both worlds. It really hurts my head that people don’t get this.
The sword attacks are fast enough that as long as you aren’t button mashing you can attack as fast as possible and still be able to dodge. You just have to know the rhythm.
Then there is the fact that most dungeon bosses won’t one shot you. I often get drunk, button mash and just eat the hits because there really isn’t much danger (like CoF1, the slaver and effigy can’t kill you even as a full zerker.)
Drunk pve is significantly more fun. Also another thing I think people should consider is that sword builds will get significantly more might onto your pet. Between sword auto and Companion’s Might your pet should ideally have max might stacks most of the time (including what they get from Fortifying Bond). Everyone has seen videos of ranger pets (jaguar especially) hitting like a truck. Just saying this is something to consider in the sword vs. gs debate.
For pve just replace the frost spirit skill after combat ends with something with a short cd like guard then swap back to frost spirit once the cd is done. Doing this resets the spirit and it should be up when you need it again.
For pve one strategy (where max melee range isn’t necessary) it is pretty common to use sword/warhorn + sword/dagger. If you weapon swap during the auto attack chain it will break the chain and allow you to dodge. However, it is often much easier to use a weapon set evade than a dodge. For example I will switch from s/wh to s/d and use #4 for the evade. This is also more efficient in terms of dps since you will usually waste more time dodging.
If you are using two melee weapons, it’s pretty much game over before it even starts. Just being honest. You might be able to kill them if you are using a scepter (maybe). However they have way more cc than you have ways to avoid it.
dont roll guardian unless you want to do team pvp with friends that know what they do or be a part of a zerk.
only reason i didnt roll a warrior yet is because i did not figure out what race and name i will be.
personally guardian is not the class that i imagined them to be
when i saw warriors base health my jaw dropped to the floor and realized how much time i have wasted on this crippled class.and i wont roll a warrior for its power but because i like mele combat.
and to people that say that HP doesnt matter it will always matter on classes that lack mobilty and have almost no cc like guardian
I felt the same as you, until I remembered which was the class that I liked the most in Dragon Age: arcane warrior.
Then i remembered how I loved tough characters with low health.
i have played lineage 2 and there was no heavy class that had the health of a robe class
anyway i made the wrong choice, you live you learn .
There is a reason that guards have such low HP… it’s called “active defense.” I love it when “healing sig OP roflcopter im gunna win #hamBowner” warriors duel my meditation guardian and then complain that guardians have too much healing/damage/whatever. If you play gs s/f you have a billion blinds/blocks/etc. to just completely avoid damage. If you want to play a braindead class like a warrior, go for it. I never, ever play my warrior anymore because it is the most ridiculously boring, passive class I have ever played and I can’t stand it. Guardians are extremely active in terms of mitigating damage.
S/d has some extremely nasty burst but it is also extremely difficult to land the entire sequence. Once your burst is done scepter auto attack damage is fairly low. On the other hand ele have extremely good pve damage specs in LH s/f builds and fire staff builds but these are pretty much useless in a roaming type environment. Hard to get players to stand still in your lava font =D
I do think ele should be a pretty “bursty” type class, otherwise they wouldn’t be as much fun. However it might be good to introduce a new and unique defense mechanic for ele. The other low hp class is guards, and they have heavy armor and a kitten ton of active defenses/healing in terms of aegis, blinds, reflects, etc. Thieves (and even some shatter mesmers) have comparable/more burst yet have significantly more active defenses in the form of stealth and clones. I’m not saying ele should become a stealth class, that would be silly, but any type of mechanic that lets ele be a glassy burst class with active defenses would be good imo.
Just for the love of god no more passive stuff… #healingSignet2014
I looked at my combat log and he just charged in at a really bad time, caught him with focus 5 and pretty much a full gs 2… was still sad/funny. I kinda felt bad hehe
So I don’t WvW much anymore since SoR’s plummet from t1… but I was there on my guard just doing a couple of the daily achieves. Was killing two pack dolyaks as full glass gs s/f… all of a sudden I notice there is a downed ele next to me. I killed him without even realizing he was there… =(
Makes me sad because this is why I somewhat stopped playing my ele. Could seriously use a buff to defense.
Really great video! Made me want to start a mesmer since it looks like an absolute blast. Also, holy crap warrior healing kitten …
Guardians provide support through boons, blocks, blinds, reflects, strong defensive abilities. All of these come from picking proper utilities for an encounter and rely in no way, shape or form on your choice of gear. It’s been explained countless times why zerker gear is the “best” for dungeons. Guardians bring more ways for their party to completely avoid damage than almost every other class (aegis, reflects) and since these are independent of any stat it just doesn’t make sense to not go full offensive.
If you really feel the need to contribute beyond pure damage and appropriate utilities then go for a zerker hammer build. It still does pretty good damage and maintains 100% uptime on protection for your party, which can be cool if they don’t mind a constant light field being up. If you have a might stacking ele you will want to avoid this btw.
That’s what I usually use for a dps hammer build, it’s important to get the two +10% damage modifiers in zeal and radiance. If you want even more support without sacrificing much/any damage you can go for 30 in Honor and have your symbols heal. This provides constant protection and aoe healing for your group, which can be kinda cool. Imo the meta full zerker s/f gs build is my favorite though:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vUAQNAR8dl0ApXo1BxUI8DNhkzQkQQbGA0BVpIeuHA-zABBZmFRjt4qIas6aYKXER1AA-e
Tons of blinds and you get an additional block with focus 5. Have fun with guard.
Glad you found a unique build that works for you. However I just have to say those are some of the worst guardians I have ever seen haha
I like that idea. You couldn’t run a bunker spec with it. This change sounds reasonable.
Edit: I still believe it should only heal on hit per skill activation. Keeping it as is would be dangerously op.
Yeah ideally it would heal you for a percent of the damage you are currently doing, so no spamming auto attacks for heals, which wouldn’t really fit with the theme of the trait anyways imo. This could let you roll a pretty beastmode gs medi dps build though. They might need to remove the damage increase to keep it balanced.
To the rangers I have encountered in spvp, please for the love of all that is good stop using entangle. Just because rangers lack active condi cleanse don’t assume other classes do as well. If you are facing anyone competent (besides another ranger who doesn’t have on demand condi clear) all they have to do is instantly cleanse after the ridiculously obvious animation and you just wasted your elite. If you aren’t going to use the OP spirit then at least use RaO, it is much more beneficial overall.
Edit: When I say OP spirit I mean the fact that it is healing more than the tooltip indicates, I actually like spirit rangers overall
i always use entangle in pvp i have not had a problem with it at all. to be honest i cant even take your post seriously. entangle is one of the best skills we have
Just the fact that RaO has stability (something this class sorely lacks unless you are running a signet build) is better on average. Yes the boons can be corrupted/removed but it is significantly more common for people to have condi clears than to have boon removal.
Really easy solution to the problems people have with this…
Have it heal based on damage from martial weapons (sword, GS, hammer). This would:
1. let it basically scale of power (since it scales with damage)
2. prevent it from being OP with bunkers using it
3. promote crazy kitten glass cannon guardians (which I love)
Would probably need to be GM trait at this point and have a carefully tested % of damage done as a heal. As a GM trait this would let you perhaps get this as well as all the meditation traits but you wouldn’t be able to get dodge roll heals as well, etc. So I think this would be fairly balanced overall.
PvP is nonstop action, no stacking and no running around for 30 minutes to find an enemy that isnt an npc.
Precisely. I used to roam a lot in WvW but have been on this pvp kick for a while now and it is so much better imo. If you like following commanders and large zerg fights you will probably not like pvp. If you like small scale engagements where one of the primary factors is your personal effort and skill then pvp is a much more enjoyable and fun experience.
I just got so tired of running around in WvW, taking supply camps, killing dolyaks and as soon as I would actually see an enemy they would either 1. run or 2. seventeen billion other people from their server would immediately show up. Not exactly my idea of fun :/
I knew it.
I haven’t received anykind of reward chest more than a half year.
I mean we won the match,but i recieve no chest, no nothing…………
What the hell. It felt strange, I thought they removed it. But now I started to get suspicious and i was right.
Time to hit up the my ticket to anet.
Are you talking about winning a solo/team arena match or a hotjoin match? You do not get chests for winning hotjoin matches. When you win an arena match a little trophy icon will show up in the bottom right (where the little chest icon shows up), click on this to claim your reward.
Some personal notes from me:
Warrior: Besides healing-signet, zerker-stance has to be fixed, letting buffed condition-durations go through the stance minus the 100%.
Necromancer: PvP doesn’t need any more of these AI-builds. Please exclude minions in PvP.
Unfortunately I see almost zero chance of Arenanet removing minions at this point. But I think nerfing minion damage and buffing their utility would raise the skill floor on this build exponentially if it was done right, and you probably would stop seeing people putting full minions on their utility bar. That means less clutter and smarter play.
Pretty funny when I am on my guard in spvp and think “alright this is gonna be a really tough 1vX… oh wait it’s just one necro.” Passive specs absolutely ruin pvp because they allow people with a lower amount of skill to feel “good” against other low skill players (not saying I am good, just that this does happen). Then when these players who rely on an easy-to-master spec as a crutch come up against someone who is actually decent at their class they QQ and call for nerfs.
Example: I was doing some hotjoins for fun yesterday and randomly got into a match with just me and one other person. I was on my guard and I play a 0/5/30/15/20 medi gs sw/f spec with zerker trinket, divinity or speed runes. I love the combination of burst, combat mobility, and high (for dps spec) survivability.
On with the story… the other person was also playing a guard, we decided to duel for the game and whoever won the duels could take the points and win the game. I won all the duels we had, which made sense since this other person was not experienced with guard. They messaged me which server to go to and we dueled again, except this time he brought a hambow healing sig warrior. It was pretty apparent he thought he was going to smoke me on his “OP” warrior. However I beat him 3-4 times in a row again. He then complained that guards have too much sustain and left. (I am in no way saying guards are bad in this, just that this player was using HS as an obvious crutch, also this is no indication that I am in any way skilled)
Long story short, a muscle will never grow unless it has resistance. Likewise a player who is never challenged with a difficult spec won’t adapt and improve. Specs that are as easy as several warrior builds, s/p thieves, some engi builds should never be as good as builds that require skilled play. This allows “easy” specs to be used by new players who can look at more experienced players and say “wow I am going to learn that hard spec so I can be better!” This promotes much better pvp overall. Alright sorry for the huge wall of text, hope you all have a nice day!
I love zerker thieves on my zerker guardian… don’t take them away from me… =(
In all honesty fighting a zerker thief as a zerker guard is really, really fun and requires extreme timing on both sides. I would rather fight a zerker thief than a bunker decap engi (/wrists).
Pistol whip so OP!
Oh hey… my character can move and stuff… whoa this is cool! What? You mean the thief is rooted for the whole attack? Wow that actually kinda sucks…. Oh jeez and they are really squishy? Maybe this whole thief OP thing isn’t as good as it seemed…
I omnom thieves on my medi guard (usually) <3
The number of brain cells… just gone…
This game just hardly need a proper UI with customizable buff display, cast bars, moving windows and everything else.
Until then enjoy burning you eyes trying to see unremarkable warrior stance buffs and nigh-invisible “telegraphed” attacks of asura midgets.
I rage so hard when I fight asura characters. It is ridiculous how much of an advantage it gives not being able to see your opponents animations. The whole point of most of the recent warriors changes was giving set-up attacks huge animations (ex. mace F1). This changed nothing for asura since you can’t tell what they are doing anyways. Huge pet peeve of mine that it is significantly more difficult to fight asura than other races.
To the rangers I have encountered in spvp, please for the love of all that is good stop using entangle. Just because rangers lack active condi cleanse don’t assume other classes do as well. If you are facing anyone competent (besides another ranger who doesn’t have on demand condi clear) all they have to do is instantly cleanse after the ridiculously obvious animation and you just wasted your elite. If you aren’t going to use the OP spirit then at least use RaO, it is much more beneficial overall.
Edit: When I say OP spirit I mean the fact that it is healing more than the tooltip indicates, I actually like spirit rangers overall
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I want to be an archer. Anet doesn’t want me to be an archer. Plus I like the challenge that comes from playing as a full zerk power ranger. I laugh when I see glass cannon eles complaining about survivability.
Just an fyi, a true glass cannon ele is the squishiest class in the game, no contest. I have played a zerker power ranger and it is much more survivable than a true glass ele build (by comparison). Glass cannon eles can burst you down extremely fast if they get their burst off but they pretty much die if you sneeze on them.
I actually fought a ranger the other day on my guard (medi dps) in spvp that used sb/lb and wolf/krytan hound and was a real PITK (pain in the kitten lolol) to fight, it appeared they were using a signet build with +dmg on stun/interrupt. The constant knockback from LB and stun from SB was actually pretty effective, coupled with the innate cc canines have. Pretty fun running into decent rangers (besides crossfire pew pew spirit rangers).
This took ages to get in wow but once pets got passive AoE damage reduction this vastly improved the viability of pet-dependent specs, might be something to think about anet.
ninjambo I notice you are running the same setup I am currently using in spvp. I haven’t roamed yet on my guard (not 80 yet) and was wondering what armor set you use to roam like that, thanks!
When I see more than one ele in the enemy team in soloq, all I can think is free win. When I do get them in my team, I just wish very hard for a way to put class restriction on the creation of a soloq. And also limit the number of some classes, like, no more than one thief. Because it seems there’s still a lot of players who are totally unaware they can actually, gasp, change to another character before the match starts. And usually 2+ thieves in the same yoloq is an automatic loss.
You must be playing with some bad thieves man. sword > dagger
Also, to the OP, have you actually played other classes? This is an honest question. It is really shocking how effective you can be on a warrior with extremely limited experience playing them. The main reason I don’t play my warrior anymore is how boring and passive their gameplay is. While eles are much more fun and active to play this difference is not seen in the results. With equal skill a warrior should beat an ele right now.
For example, on my warrior I run power/toughness/crit dmg armor and zerker trinkets. I usually trait for either hammer/gs or mace/gs (I just really like greatswords). I have around 3k attack, 3k armor, 20k hp, good crit and crit dmg (can’t remember the numbers and can’t log in atm). I also have passive healing from multiple sources, i.e. you cannot interrupt my heals, ever.
Now on my ele while roaming I usually use the same armor except with celestial trinkets instead of zerker. I have around 15k hp, 2.4k armor, need to rely on might stacking to hope to get over 3k attack, and lower crit and the same crit dmg as my warrior. I can honestly say if I had to fight my ele with my warrior it would not even be remotely close, the passive defense warriors have is just way too high. Warriors have almost twice the base hp of an ele (guardians also have low hp for some reason).
Can eles feel “good” sometimes when you are playing out of your mind against equal (or slightly lesser) skilled opponents? Sure. Can I just hop on a warrior and feel way more effective with 1/4 the effort? Absolutely.
Most classes have some type of “easy” spec that produces pretty good results while not necessarily being the best for a skilled player. (hambow, debunk engi, s/p thief, spirit ranger, mm necro, etc. spvp) Warriors have too many of these, eles have none. As of right now I have really lost interest in wvw (since SoR…) and mostly just spvp on my gs/ham medi guard, which has been a blast. Good luck playing ele!
Its more like we’re the weakest physically. which I suppose I could accept being a mage like class but you would think our trade off would be very high damage output. which also seem to a little weak compared to some classes.
If anet would give elementalist a decent damage increase or a defence increase well over half the complains might quiet down.
Ele do have a very high damage output. If you are selfish and don’t feel like running a s/f or s/d Lightning Hammer might stack build then just run 30/10/10/10/10 staff, either of those has crazy dps. Just because you see those big 100b numbers from warrior Youtube videos doesn’t mean it’s good dps (long channel). Axe auto attack is the highest dps for warriors. Also warriors are really, really boring to play. I much prefer playing my ele any day.
People need to zerg as full glass zerker on an ele in wvw for a couple weeks. Then pve is a cakewalk.
Almost every single one of these changes would be ridiculously OP. Like, insanely. Giving LB point blank shot on AA? Seriously? I understand trying to suggest changes to the class but the only changes out of these that may happen are “Stays as it is.” I know I’m being a little negative here but honestly realistic posts are more constructive than… this.
Responses like this thread make me wonder if people play the same d/d ele class that I do…
@OP, I use Soldier’s armor, assassin daggers, and celestial trinkets. Boon duration runes. One crit chance sigil, one sigil of battle. Your power will seem low but with an opening rotation with d/d you should be at 15-18 might stacks.
Build I use is 0/20/0/20/30 for roaming. Ele are not bad, players are bad.
If you are feel comfortable with 18k hp (if you get used to playing as a 10k hp zerker this feels like a ton of hp) you can change your armor to Knight’s (more precision) or Cavalier’s (less power, more toughness, crit damage) for something instead of vit.
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I’m not sure… It’s kinda odd how all our skills require physical contact/projectile then out of nowhere we start using magic which in my opinion, doesn’t fit well into the theme of rangers
Also one of our trait lines is literally called “Nature Magic”…
This might actually make rangers viable (even wanted) in zergs if it had an aoe cc (something with vines/roots), a water field, and a decent sized aoe attack. Would be pretty awesome imo with a nature themed build w/ spirits.
You probably auto-attacked by accident and lost your buff, and maybe had weakness and fumbled. That would easily give the numbers you stated. No, maul burst builds are not nerfed, I hit 10k+ when I time everything right frequently (and recently). I don’t have any screenshots to post since I am on my laptop but I will try to get some tonight.
If you take a condi ranger and put him against a sw/sw + LB warrior it isn’t even close. The warrior can pump out way more bleeds + torment. If I have adrenaline up I can max stack you with bleeds in ~2-3 seconds (depending on crits).
Honestly I don’t understand why they don’t just let SB have bleed on all auto-attacks. Really the best way to keep bleed up besides that is with a sw/t a/d build with sigils of geomancy and 20 in BM for the feline bleed on crit trait with a lynx. I use that with an apothecary setup for roaming and it is really fun (and very effective).
This is a great step forward, so glad to see they are progressing. I know you guys are saying “oh wow took so long” and I’m not saying that Anet is great at making class changes. However, I went back to SWTOR last weekend and I had not played in several months and the game was practically exactly the same as when I left (as far as the pvp “meta” was concerned). That is a game that doesn’t make any changes.
Glad to see that rangers are getting some much needed attention though!
Whenever I would complain about thieves to my guild (whether from pvp or wvw) the thieves in my guild would tell me how hard it was to play, how squishy they are, etc. etc.
So I made a thief in pvp, having never touched a thief before, found a pistol whip guide, followed it exactly, went into solo queue tpvp (didn’t even do any spvp) and won the first 7 games, literally just pressing pistol whip. I’m not talking that the team carried me either, I had 200+ points each match (not that points are an awesome indication of your effectiveness but better than nothing).
tl;dr thieves are the hardest class evar if you main thief, otherwise they are pretty faceroll
Play as a full glass ele in a zerg for a while. If you can learn to survive that through positioning and avoiding damage you should be golden for pve. (staff fire 4 is really good for evading through zergs) Also, if you do truly “master” surviving on a glass ele you will feel like god when you trait/gear anything defensive.
24k health, 6k heal. A fourth of your HP. I’d rather have 17k HP and 10k heal. Sure, a theif would get me to 5-8k HP but I would get it back up to full after a few seconds.
How about a 9k health and a 7k heal? That must be even better, right?
I will take the 24k health and 6k heal thanks
Crazy logic imo
You got crit by math for 50k.
You died.
This weapon setup is so under-rated for roaming. I absolutely love it on my ranger. Yesterday I was roaming JQ bl, would jump in to 3-4 people trying to escort a doly, kill the doly and escape. So many evades and so much mobility with this playstyle, so great. The one problem with ranger is that even if you do land a kill you will almost never get a stomp (in 1vX situations) because people can rez faster than you can stomp and rangers have no on demand stability outside of RaO =(
Still crazy fun though, nice vid!
Even with piercing arrows, staff eles are much much better. They can deal awesome dmg double/tripledmg of LB rangers and everything is aoe! And they have more support/cc if it´s needed.
First of all I do love playing my ranger, but for the sake of honesty… Staff eles can do way more ranged/aoe damage than rangers can and have possibly the best support skills in the game on one weapon set. Almost every single ability on staff is good (if not fantastic) in a zerg setting. Oh yeah and the best aoe in the game.
S/t a/d is pretty fun with full apothecary gear. I prefer 0/0/30/20/20 over the heavier BM build though, just preference.
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