Guild Wars 2

fix the stupid skill lag. spamming a skill for over 60 seconds is kitten kitten

Im expecting another flop of a patch.

I think Dragonbrand should go into next week with the mindset that we will fight like hell, because we are well past any “easy mode” fights. Going in with the mindset we will lose is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Expecting to win is setting us up for disappointment.

We have a tough fight next week, no matter who our opponents are. This does not mean we are going to lose. It means we are going to have a tough fight.

Here’s to a good match-up!

Dragonbrand was already competitive in tier 4 a couple weeks ago, but we also received some transfers prior to this match that will help our NA time slot considerably.

Prepare yourselves.

nytehex.3267:

Also, wouldn’t you be peeved and vindictive if a guild that some people openly vouched for in order to be part of the PACT we have turns tail and runs to the next highest server, which just so happens to be winning? If you were in our shoes, you’d probably feel the same way that we do on BP, and I don’t want to imagine how DH feels since they have lost 2-3 huge guilds, at least 1 to DB as well.

Oh trust me, DB knows how you feel. We had our entire NA coverage gutted a few months ago when the majority of our “alliance” transferred to SoS. Even worse, we had to play them in the next matchup. It took 2 months of getting stomped to recover and get back to where we are now.

We might be on the other side of it this time, but trust me when I say that DB remembers.

Greetings and Happy New year to all.

I gotta say it is nice to be on a server that works together as well as Dragonbrand does. No drama, no infighting and great group of people. Many of us in [Krew] have already felt very welcome here.

Borlis Pass – I know there is group of you that is upset with [KREW]. But do you really have to go so far as to send hate mail, call people traitors and bash on the forum?

On a side note, it is at least good to see BP waking up again and bringing on a good fight in WvW for the first time in what I think is weeks. I wish BP the best in its rebuild and moving forward.

I have said it once and i’ll say it again, DB could really use a boost to their NA prime time. with that being said I welcome both WE and Krew. I hope both guilds enjoy playing on DB. I welcome all guild/player xfers from any server to DB, i would like to ask that the culture we have developed be maintained. DB is a classy server and I would love to see it stay that way.

TheFreshBrew.1958:

I really am having trouble empathising with someone who doesn’t recognize that an overnight crew easy-moding four maps isn’t a problem, while competition is fairly even thru-out the rest of the day.

Night-capping is not a problem in itself. It only means we have a higher population, more coverage, and really don’t belong in tier 5 – as evidenced by our performance in tier 4 last week.

I’m not going to argue that the WvW ranking is flawed in many ways, but that has nothing to do with DB or our Oceanic coverage. Hate the system all you want.. don’t hate on the other servers and derail a thread that’s meant for enjoyable discussion. Go make a new thread or something. YOU may be frustrated with the match, but other people still want to have fun with it.

Be glad the daytime fighting is still awesome. At least you aren’t in one of the matches (such as tier eight) where people are being stomped into the ground.

I don’t understand why people hate him for telling his reasons. Perhaps theif apologists don’t want the class to be balanced?

Our NA primetime crew is shorthanded, but you can rest assured that we’ll hold the line well enough to stay competitive for the whole week.

I play a thief (among other classes)

Yes, I guess something should be done.

I feel fearless on my thief because I can always escape. And I can take people down faster than warrior, ele, necro, guardian.

So 50/50:

- I escape, able to return a minute later with full cooldowns

- I kill the person

It doesn’t feel overpowered because I am so squishy. But that doesn’t matter since I never get downed anyway.

It’s all a little too safe and easy

Dual.8953:

rootnode.9546:

Setima.8741:

Anet gives you EVERY skill you need to kill a Thief. They give you heals, they give you stun breakers, they give you invincible rolls and they give you stuns, immunities, and immobilizes. Your troubles start when you stand there letting the Thief control the fight. You have 3 seconds where that Thief can’t stealth, he can’t do anything but take damage from you. If they’re glass cannon, they will DIE in those 3 seconds IF you take your head from out of your azz and lock them down.

Hm, if I’m not aiming for glass cannon, I need to exchange some damage for survivability. So the 3 seconds are NOT enough to kill the thief. Yeah, right. In the 3 seconds where he can’t stealth, he still has dodge rolls and other skills to survive. And if the fight gets critical for the thief, he just stealths and runs away.
“Ooooh, but we need stealting. We need to get out of fights to survive.” Ever considered that it’s the same for other classes? Take an engineer, or a ranger. If it gets critical, they too want to get out of combat, but they can’t. Where is the problem if revealed gets 1 or 2 more seconds so that you actually have to face off the enemy you started fighting with?

The main problem is: if any class goes glass cannon, it’s trading survivability for power. Except….thieves. Can escape whenever they want to. 1 or 2 seconds on revealed…that’s not THAT harsh. You can manage that. Like many thief players are always putting off our concerns: l2p.

Here’s the trick of it. Thieves run out of defensive options that are not stealth faster the other classes, they’re in the same HP tier as Ele and Guardian, but they don’t have all the defensive boons they have, they can dodge 2-3 times, maybe shadowstep once if they take it and then they’re done, maybe roll for initiative and retreat if they take it, then they’re done, completely out of defenses, and unable to run from those pursuing them and will go down if someone so much as sneezes in their general direction.

And yet players who play thieves have the confidence to rush into a mob stealthed, 1 shot someone and flee. Why? Because they know through many encounters that they CAN and WILL get away. Its a joke man…and anyone who defends thieves ATM just likes easy mode.

With a full tough/vit build and exotic tough/vit armor, I should not get 2 shot….and it happens nightly. 28k health gone and I never even see them.

Its BROKEN…and I encourage everyone who plays this game and who is sick of thieves in wvwvw to stop playing… Arena Net needs to remove the class or fix it!

Loading screen bug in WvW due to Anet poor coding.
AltF4/CAD to close frozen game.
Log back in, dead 2 silvers poorer due to Anet poor game mechanics.
How did anyone at this company get a job in game industry?

Luckily for all of us, neither DB or DH are the type to give up in a WvW match. The Wintersday event will effect all of us somewhat equally.. so that shouldn’t even be considered as a factor. I commend BP’s confidence, but the match is nowhere close to being decided yet.

Zerraph.6749:

Kodiack.2783:

Warlord Lu Bu.7905:

I’ve never seen such obvious double teaming as I have until today.

We have Darkhaven basically bending over for Dragonbrand, gifting them Stonemist while Darkhaven gains nothing. No wonder Darkhaven continues to lose WvW players.

Now I’m not crying about it, just pointing out an incredibly obvious fact. Some servers try to gain the most points, while I guess some prefer to be another server’s kitten.

Maybe next time Borlis Pass shows up in a new Tier they may not want to come in and kitten off the locals.

There is already a separate thread about how BP is expecting to walk thru this Tier and face off with EB or YB.

There are several posts in this very thread about how you expect to have an easy time in this Tier.

Simply put, you brought this on yourself and now your crying about it? Typical.

-K

Actually…BP still expects to walk through this tier. So far…Nobody has given us any significant trouble (through an entire week) in well over a month. So why shouldn’t we be confident. So they can continue to bring on the double teams. We are still leading regardless.

There’s a difference between being confident and being a kitten about it.

Just 3 weeks ago DH would have crushed BP. We’ll be here waiting when your bubble bursts too. And it will.

Can we NOT brag about moving up next week until we actually win this week? DB and DH are no joke. Hubris will get us nowhere.

i ve played engineer warrior elementalist dint win a single pvp game , made a thief hoo boy i even got 18 kills and plus per round. im a pro with 2 hours game experience as thief totally was my mad skills and not the class at all.

Ireniicus.2167:

Iove.3902:

!THIS EVENT IS USELESS AND COMPLETELY POINTLESS!

If a World does this event that’ll cause the other world to do the event then the other world to do the same. Essentially all that happens is that you basically traded towers and the scores remain the same.

Uhh… what? How’s that helping anything?

I’m glad that ANet is working on developing content for WvWvW, but there’s no point to this addition to the game.

You are welcome to your point of view however I had about 7 hours of WvW since reset and enjoyed the change immensely. It is not perfect but definitely created more dynamics and people moved maps more often and the dozen or so with me agreed.

If I want to do pve then i’ll go do it in the pve part of the game. Give outmanned teams a proper buff, but keep it pvp.

The pvp competitiveness of wvw has just gone out of the window. They keep free transfers for a reason so people who like wvw can join wvw dedicated servers. This change makes it pointless taking the last tower in a border – its so pointless and has nothing to do with skill, organisation and communiocation.

after getting to watch the entire thing from start to finish, it’s good in theory but needs some tweaks. the invulnerable bubbles around the seige needs to go. if a group can’t protect all of the free seige that’s dropped by superman, then they don’t deserve to have a tower. and they certainly won’t be able to defend it once superman flies off to the next borderland.

and yes, i’m referring to the NPC commander as superman from now on. he has an insane amount of HP/defense, is loaded with buffs, does an absurd amount of damage, and resets instantaneously. seriously. we had 10-15 in the tower with 4 arrow carts constantly firing on him from the lord’s room in redlake. we got him down to 5%, and during the time it took him to walk through the gate, he reset.

now, i’m all for helping the downtrodden out, but this is a bit overboard. give a man a fish, he eats for a day. teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. what we have now is deus ex machina. any sense of accomplishment is stripped away from the attackers. the futility of the situation sets in for the defenders. random zerging and territory trading is cemented as the most effective strategy. all thoughts of defense get chucked out the window. players collectively /facepalm.

the breakout event should provide a possibility for a group to take a tower. not have superman crap out a bunch of invulnerable siege and spoon feed it to them.

I don’t like the no insta build walls. WvW is much too offensive. Taking away defensive tactics is not a way to go.

School Of Hard Knocks [SOHK]
Fort Aspenwood
four days ago my guild got bugged, it shows that every player is alone in guild, it wiped all progress and influence (was on track to finish politics3 24hrs ago, and we had around 1k influence @ that time, and our emblem) it dosnt show that we have a tag, our tag in the guild panel is just [], and shows other players that we arent even in a guild. it has also kicked some people. im the lead, and i cannot do anything, i have no permissions as there are no ranks now. we have lost alot of time, influence, upgrades, recruits, ect from this. please find some way to compensate my guild as we try to re-re-build it with just the few core members again…

School Of Hard Knocks [SOHK]
Fort Aspenwood

9/6 UPDATE: i just logged in to find myself not even in a guild now… this is getting old. my guild has been scattered to the wind… we have lost 4 ppls tome of influence, 5 days of gaining influence and upgrades, the politics 3 upgrade, the guild emblem upgrade, whatever recruits we had, and may have gotten are all gone now… this feel like a blizz game suddenly ie the :F U pay me. business motto. and it says my guild exists allready, YAY! kick the leader from a guild!

Another update: our guild is back. but we have lost out on 11 days of influence, and lost many members. this was a huge setback to our guild, is there any way that we could get some influence to make up for what we lost? also, i seem to remember instant build kits that speed up guild upgrades from one of the betas. could we get some of those too please to make up for the 11 days lost? im not asking for anything extra, just what we would have had.

Guild name: Wanderers And Rovers [WaR]
I have used my Tome of Influence to add 1000 Influence to the guild, and proceeded to add two 500 Influence upgrades to the queue. The game correctly removed my 1000 Influence.

After about an hour, the queue was empty, no upgrades gained and my 1000 Influence gone.

(Goes without saying that I’d like to get either my 1000 Influence or my Tome back)

That was a fun fight tonight in EB betwen DH and DB. DH held Golanta for over an hour and nearly had Klovan walls down a few tmes. Both sides were putting up so much siege during that fight. Good work Dragonbrand, everyone contributed to building siege at both Jerrifer and Klovan to counter their siege, we had people run supply from the keep to the walls at Klovan, had NSP come in and take out our only supply to the keep as well as harrassing DH at durios and bravost. Also that golem assault on SM from NSP was intense. I seriously didnt think our reinforcements were going to make it to the lords room in time. We almost lost SM with full upgrades and nearly 2800 supply. I am going to miss battling both NSP and DH. Kind of sucks that we couldn’t place any siege later in the night, dpsing reinforced gates is not much fun. Anet please fix this.

Xyre.5429:

Very political of you. A little over a week ago in the first DH/DB/NSP match up it was WvWvW…no server was saying “lets leave them alone” Servers would go where there were points to be taken. After DB lost the first week two things happened for them, they had an increase in active WvWvW guilds to the server and they realized that if they attack NSP consistently for points then NSP will attack them back, and DB can not win if NSP splits their attention to them. This evolved into the new DB “lets leave them alone” strategy.

“So in you’re scenario, you being from DH – you fall into the second example. There is no tactical reason for DB and NSP to fight each other if they don’t have to.”

- Correction: There is no tactical advantage for DB(first) to attack NSP if it means third wont hamstring them out if first, but saying there is no advantage for third to try and get points off first is silly and is really you just politically affirming for NSP on the forums “We wont attack you NSP, stay strong in third while we sit in first, we need you to keep focusing on DH so we can win”.

You are the second DBer to actually say here in this thread for the most part “We are choosing to leave NSP alone” So this ceasefire tactic is obviously something shared among guilds on DB. DHers should not be upset about this at all, if anything it is a compliment for two servers to have a ceasefire on each other in order to hold down the biggest threat. I think the reason most DHers are unhappy is we have seen last week, and even more so this week, NSP and DB keeping noticable distance, and even thread affirmed distance by you and other DBers. On DH, we arent saying, “lets be nice to a server so they wont hurt us”, we are saying “We would rather lose than bend the knee to another server”, and yes, DB agreeing not to attack NSP who are currently kingmaking you, is bending the knee and acknowledging they are granting you the win. You might call it bad strategy on DHes part to keep yelling “every man for themselves!”, but I personally consider it honoring WvWvW.

For my part, I am just glad there is always something to attack or defend. So these past two weeks and even this one have been fun.

You are absolutely correct, i too share the same idea of WvWvW as yourself. But – our idea of WvW isnt the way WvW works with the current system in place. The scoring system determines who’s who in the matchup and also lends itself to scoring management which in tern leads to strategies based on scoring which finally leads to one of the three servers getting “double-teamed.”

This is the nature of the 3 faction system coupled with a scoring system with a time limit. You have to pick and choose your battles depending on what is most advantageous to your score – if it means a so-called “ceasefire” between 2 of the 3 so they can both benefit – then thats what it is.

The “ceasefire” could happen between 2nd and 3rd to bring down 1st, but if 3rd is too far behind, theres no advantage for them in doing so as they still have to beat the servers above them. What IS advantageous to 3rd is if 1st denies points to 2nd long enough to close the gap so 3rd is in reach of 2nd. But guess what, they are now in 2nd and have to fight 1st and 3rd to stay there and the cycle continues all the way up 1st.

Should 3rd grab points where they can in order to close that gap? ABSOLUTELY!! But their rise in rank also comes at the expense of current 2nd place server in the form of points denial, which has to be done by 1st and 3rd. In order for them to take 2nd, the current holder has to have less income than 3rd. Of course, this all depends on how wide the gaps are between the three scores.

Now if the scores were razor thin throughout the week between the three servers, where a keep or tower could make the difference on who ends up in what place, then things would be insanely different and much closer to our idea of WvWvW, more of a free-for-all.

Like i said, you are absolutely correct in your reply, but unfortunately that is the nature of the system in place.

Please ignore any attempts at trolling. There are still a lot of us who still want to have a fun battle, win or lose.

Less QQ.. More Pew Pew

Lets all just have fun