Guild Wars 2

You got infracted?

This is basically what I’ve been saying all along. Instead of being rude, making up stuff, or using hyperbole (wild exaggeration) to try to make a point, if people stuck to facts and stated opinions in a non-derogatory way, those opinions would hold more traction.

The job that Anet devs have is impossible. Everyone wants to be listened to, but not everyone agrees. If they listen to group 1, then group 2 says Anet doesn’t listen to its fans. If they listen to group 2, then group 1 gets upset.

But so many come to these forums to deride the game, rather than help it grow…and that shouldn’t be acceptable to anyone.

So many people have called me on saying that the game is doing well, even when I’m only responding to a post that says the game is dying. We have about equal evidence, but apparently, people are willing to allow the dying post to go unmolested, while my response to that post gets attacked? Why? Because it’s fun to attack white knights…except it’s not about white knighting. It’s about keeping it honest.

The stuff Chris has said in this post, including how the living story is in its infancy and will need time to grow (I say the same thing about dungeons without the trinity)…it’s a learning curve for everyone…and a steep one.

Being respectful will make this community and these forums a more enjoyable place to post. If you just want to hate, you’re not helping anyone.

Too many people claim to say they post for the good of the game, but post in ways which can’t do anything but hurt the game.

Take a look, its might help ya understand what im talking about.

cesmode.4257:

Waldir.2571:

Welcome to Guild Wars 2.

Fixed it for you.

What a load of Carp (you know, the fish)
Almost every online game is improved and Quality of Life features are added as a game progresses.
I know you are trying to be funny, but targeting GW2 exclusively for this is not fair.

More Challenging:Yes
More fun:Yes
More rewarding;Yes
More team play: Yes
Big mindless zerg friendly:No

Awesome stuff keep it up Anet!!!!

haviz.1340:

Xae Isareth.1364:

Well, simce apart from crafting, everything you need for Ascended items are from playing content in the game, none of which are gear-gear gated. So, does that mean you just don’t like the game then?

Maybe some people don’t like pressing 1 together with 100 other people? Check how you can acquire Dragonite Ores.

At least you can press alt-tab and still got full reward.

We know that they’re revamping the world bosses, and for Temples, spamming 1 is what makes everyone rage at you. At Lyssa yesterday that’s exactly what happened, 75% of the people just refused to stop looking at her or dodge and just kept spamming 1, the fight took 5 times longer than it should have.

Myrnar.7960:

Vayne.8563:

I am looking at the big picture. You don’t play an MMO for 2 weeks. You play it for months, maybe years. The whole idea is to give people stuff to do. You may not personally need that but a whole lot of people seem to.

Now you got it, that’s the only sense of ascended items…to keep the people busy.

No thanks, I’m here for a fun game not a second job.

Busy doesn’t have to mean a job. Television keeps people busy too…but it’s not a job. Themepark MMOs have always been nothing more than a list of things to do. Whether it’s the next level, the next quest, the next item of gear, the next achievement, it’s the nature of the game.

Sounds to me like you’re looking for a sandbox MMO.

But people want to play the way they want…meaning doing the absolutely minimum they can to get the absolute best pay off. What’s the point of even playing at all.

There is definitely an element of grind in the new weapons, OP, but like everything else in this game, just by playing you’ll eventually get it.

The grind is only a grind people people want stuff now.

So ever since Ascended stuff came out everyone’s been screaming that the game turned into a huge grind. So…… where is that grind?

On paper, Ascended stuff looks like a hugeass list of mats to put on your to-grind list but if you just look at what it actually is, it’s basically stuff you get from playing any of the major contents of the game. Comparing it to a grind is like saying every Zelda game is a grind for pieces of the Triforce/whatever else is in its place.

There is a very subtle difference between a grind and not giving it to you on a silver platter.

Besides, when was the last tone you saw half the Temples in Orr actually uncontested before this update?

Gobhoblin.7582:

Vayne.8563:

The funny bit is, you did have to grind to get the most power out of your skills in Guild Wars 1. They’ve changed it more recently after Guild Wars 2 was released, presumably because most people no longer play Guild Wars 1 to play Guild Wars 1. They play it to get cool stuff for Guild Wars 2.

But yeah, there was a ton of grind. People forget.

Ok – see the winky face on my post? On my planet, that usually means someone is joking. Calm down.

On the subject of grinding in GW1, maybe I am mis-remembering, but wasn’t all the grind cosmetic? Sure, they introduced the EotN titles that gave you a damage boost against certain beasties – but if I remember rightly they changed that after a massive outcry from the community?

Again, I’m probably looking back with rose-tinted specs, but I don’t remember a GW1 grind that wasn’t cosmetic or title related…no performance benefit, just pure kitten.

…which is why I loved the game. I have no strong ragey feelings about the grind for gear in GW2, other than a profound sense of disappointment.

Guild Wars 1 had skill grind. Every time a new product game out, there were new skills to acquire. Take the skill Save Yourselves. A perfectly innocuous skill, until you realized that your paragon imbagon build was completely dependent upon it and that you couldn’t get into a DOA group if it wasn’t high enough.

That was a Luxon/Kurzick skill which had 12 ranks. Look up FFF in the Guild Wars 1 wiki for instructions on how to fast faction farm. People farmed those points forever, to get skills like that up.

The necromancer skill necrosis from NF was also like that. You want that skill more powerful you have to grind Sunspear points. Technobabble, pain inverter, the sin skill which the permasin build depended on, the norn skill ursan, which people wanted you to have rank 8 or higher in their norn title track.

It’s the same thing here. Do you NEED ascended gear to play this game? No. You don’t. And those skills were so kitten powerful they changed the balance of PvE completely. I mean a lot. Far more than ascended gear will affect this game.

But that was okay because that was skill grind, not gear grind.

I am one of many that has stood strong against the darkness, knowing that had I stood alone I’d have perished….

I am fearless in my pursuit of cleaning the undead out of what once was a beautiful land…

I am the helping hand that jumps in, heedless of my own safety, to help those I care about or those simply in need….

I am mortal in my need to sometimes step back and take a break from my efforts, chilling out with humorous things like local festivals and obscure tasks….

I have grown in strength and cunning in my travels, made friends and even a few enemies…

I am simply ‘me.’

Galtrix.7369:

Burnfall.9573:

Vayne.8563:

I don’t know. I’ve been a hero. Last month I solved a murder mystery while fighting off sky pirates.

Oh, you mean you’re not a hero today.

Seems to me that even in Guild Wars 1, after you finished the content, you weren’t a hero either. Take Nightfall. Komir becomes a God and you’ve one. It’s over. Much like this story.

Except Trahearne actually doesn’t take credit for slaying Zhaitan in fact, he wasn’t even there. He says at the end he wishes he was and how you’re a hero and how you’ve earned a break.

I’m not sure what kind of games that you guys are playing where you’re a hero every day 24/7.

Since that time we’ve fought off the Karka invasion, we’ve stopped the dredge and flame legion from cementing an alliance…oh right.

Maybe you guys aren’t paying attention.

Rght On

So all things I do on a daily basis in WoW, except on a much smaller scale? Okay In WoW, you actually make a difference. You’re on a major boss fight and your tank disconnects, oh man, this isn’t Guild Wars 2 and we can’t replace him with a random nobody that has no idea what they’re doing. We need an experienced tank that has done this multiple times. Maybe he’ll even give us some insight as to how we can better defeat the boss.

Everybody counts in a raid/dungeon/event in WoW. You lose one player and you lose a valuable role.

Guild Wars 2 mentality: Group member disconnects “Replace him with anyone, it doesn’t matter who we pick.”

At Jormag: “Oh, a player disconnected? Big whoop, he wasn’t valuable.”

I definitely don’t feel like a hero at all when I can be replaced by someone who has no clue as to what they’re doing.

And to answer you, I suppose that most people feel that they’re solving petty crimes that don’t matter at all in the big picture. Oh my gosh, an entire ship full of sky pirates is about to attack an entire freaking city. Whatever are we going to do when they land? Oh, let’s just get 1,000 people from the city and beat them into submission. You see, it doesn’t feel as epic as an “entire fleet of enemy ships with the intent to take over Lions Arch and all major cities all over Tyria.”

When people play other games, the above event is what they experience. An entire fleet of enemies coming at them and hopeless odds that they could never deal with, but find a way to overcome. Then they come to Guild Wars 2 and a single ship is flying at them. Big deal, my Night Elf Druid in WoW could take on 10 of those ships with a taco in his hand.

The point this is that you should feel like a hero every day. You deserve to with all the quests you complete. Instead, you feel like a common peasant most days and then rise to the high ranking status of a peasant warrior every two weeks.

I don’t know I remember running a whole lot of bullkitten quests in WoW. And in a five man party in WoW, the healer has a role, the tank has a role and 3/5 of the people are replacable canon fodder than no one cares about. 3/5s of your party are meaningless.

When I play Guild Wars 2 with a guild, we know who the good guys in the guild are. We know who is more of a team player and helps keep people alive. It’s not as obvious, but one of my guildies plays an ele and when he’s in the party, we know he’s popping heals, removing conditions, rezzing and generally helping out…the difference is it’s not limited to two guys.

I can go rez someone, I can heal, remove conditions, or generally help anyone WHILE DPSing. This is something that some people can’t seem to get their head around.

If all you do is pug and you think that’s the game, then that’s your game…it’s sure not mine.

And in WoW, I didn’t feel like a hero, because there was no immediacy to anything I did. No real reaction. I sat and used the same skills in the same order to maximize my damage. My son used to tank while eating dinner and playing another game on his phone at the same time.

If you think the Claw of Jormag is what Guild Wars 2 is about, I don’t really know what to say to you.

Galtrix.7369:

Burnfall.9573:

Vayne.8563:

I don’t know. I’ve been a hero. Last month I solved a murder mystery while fighting off sky pirates.

Oh, you mean you’re not a hero today.

Seems to me that even in Guild Wars 1, after you finished the content, you weren’t a hero either. Take Nightfall. Komir becomes a God and you’ve one. It’s over. Much like this story.

Except Trahearne actually doesn’t take credit for slaying Zhaitan in fact, he wasn’t even there. He says at the end he wishes he was and how you’re a hero and how you’ve earned a break.

I’m not sure what kind of games that you guys are playing where you’re a hero every day 24/7.

Since that time we’ve fought off the Karka invasion, we’ve stopped the dredge and flame legion from cementing an alliance…oh right.

Maybe you guys aren’t paying attention.

Rght On

So all things I do on a daily basis in WoW, except on a much smaller scale? Okay In WoW, you actually make a difference. You’re on a major boss fight and your tank disconnects, oh man, this isn’t Guild Wars 2 and we can’t replace him with a random nobody that has no idea what they’re doing. We need an experienced tank that has done this multiple times. Maybe he’ll even give us some insight as to how we can better defeat the boss.

Everybody counts in a raid/dungeon/event in WoW. You lose one player and you lose a valuable role.

Guild Wars 2 mentality: Group member disconnects “Replace him with anyone, it doesn’t matter who we pick.”

At Jormag: “Oh, a player disconnected? Big whoop, he wasn’t valuable.”

I definitely don’t feel like a hero at all when I can be replaced by someone who has no clue as to what they’re doing.

And to answer you, I suppose that most people feel that they’re solving petty crimes that don’t matter at all in the big picture. Oh my gosh, an entire ship full of sky pirates is about to attack an entire freaking city. Whatever are we going to do when they land? Oh, let’s just get 1,000 people from the city and beat them into submission. You see, it doesn’t feel as epic as an “entire fleet of enemy ships with the intent to take over Lions Arch and all major cities all over Tyria.”

When people play other games, the above event is what they experience. An entire fleet of enemies coming at them and hopeless odds that they could never deal with, but find a way to overcome. Then they come to Guild Wars 2 and a single ship is flying at them. Big deal, my Night Elf Druid in WoW could take on 10 of those ships with a taco in his hand.

The point this is that you should feel like a hero every day. You deserve to with all the quests you complete. Instead, you feel like a common peasant most days and then rise to the high ranking status of a peasant warrior every two weeks.

Remember, everyone: You won’t feel like a hero unless you’re stuck in Lion’s Arch waiting 45+ min for a specific profession to log on and join your raid so you can spam the same macros over and over like any other game

PS: Almost forgot, only tanks and healers are heroes. If you’re a DPS, you’re not a hero because you’re easily replaceable by the 5+ other carbon copy DPS roles the game likely has.

I don’t know. I’ve been a hero. Last month I solved a murder mystery while fighting off sky pirates.

Oh, you mean you’re not a hero today.

Seems to me that even in Guild Wars 1, after you finished the content, you weren’t a hero either. Take Nightfall. Komir becomes a God and you’ve one. It’s over. Much like this story.

Except Trahearne actually doesn’t take credit for slaying Zhaitan in fact, he wasn’t even there. He says at the end he wishes he was and how you’re a hero and how you’ve earned a break.

I’m not sure what kind of games that you guys are playing where you’re a hero every day 24/7.

Since that time we’ve fought off the Karka invasion, we’ve stopped the dredge and flame legion from cementing an alliance…oh right.

Maybe you guys aren’t paying attention.

Shockwave.1230:

It’s just information in a raw form Vayne.

We’ll never know if the old dye system could have been implemented in a player friendly way, but I know that character bound isn’t as player friend as account bound. That much is obvious.

Dye’s being changed from account bound to character bound is obviously a way to increase revenue through the gemstore.

Really the issue people have is that they originally were thinking about the player’s convenience and decided to go against that for dollars.

Sorry but the old dye scheme, the one that Anet showed, would have been more likely to increase sales in the gem shop., not less.

See this is something else taken out of context. Anet had one system in place and changed THE WHOLE system. That includes whether a dye is account or player bound.

Now, you might think that you can pull one change out of the system analzye it and say that change is bad, but Anet had something really horrid in the cash shop (The plant food) and took it out. The system that you’re trying to make look more greedy is actually LESS greedy than it was before the change.

You then take one thing that’s changed not all of it, and point it out to make the decision seem to be nothing but greed. If Anet wanted to be greedy they’d have left in the original dye situation where dyes were account bound but you couldn’t sell or trade them and you had to buy plant food to grow more in a day.

Imagine how it would have been. You get a dye seed. You’re already growing one. You can’t grow another until you buy plant food from the cash shop. So you don’t buy it and you wait. 24 hours for a dye seed to mature, then you go and find out it’s the same dye you already have. But you can’t sell it on the marketplace. You can’t use it, because it’s account bound. You just have to delete it, because it’s worthless to you.

Do you really think that’s a better system?

Simplifying information is fine, as long as the full story emerges from that simplification. Taking a single change out of context and making it look like something it’s not (let’s say more greedy instead of less greedy), is misleading.

Anet didn’t just change the dye from account bound to unlocked on an individual character, but they revamped the whole dye system…and it’s much better this way than it was in beta.

And on that topic, it’s infinitely better than the dye system in Guild Wars 1 where you needed a bottle of dye each time you wanted to dye your armor for each piece of armor.

Evolution and even changing things isn’t bait and switch. Do you even know what bait and switch MEANS. In no court of law would ANY of this be considered bait and switch.

It’s like a restaurant opening mostly with seafood and finding out that more people like steak, so they get rid of some seafood dishes and start serving more steak. People who used to like the seafood dishes stop coming. But that isn’t bait and switch that’s the evolution of a business. Those who like steak have no problem with it. Those that like seafood find another seafood restaurant.

People who continually bring up stuff that was said even before the game launched are the same people who bring up old arguments about what you did last year when the argument should be about what’s happening today.

People are still complaining about the dye system? Really?

How come you’re not listing how the original dye system was where you got a seed drop and you had to go to the NPC in your home instance to grow that seed and you could only grow 1 per day, unless you spent money in the cash shop to buy plant food. Oh I know why you didn’t comment on that change. Because it didn’t prove this point you’re trying to make.

The old dye system was MUCH worse than the new dye system, even if those dyes would have been account bound. But you ignore this in your argument. Instead you point out one article, written by one employee before the game was actually released. In the beta, the plant food thing, with the seeds, that was in the game…and Anet changed it. But get this. They changed it FOR THE BETTER.

So the dyes are not account bound anymore, but you don’t have to buy plant food to see what dye you got, if you want to do more than one dye a day.

This is an MMO. MMOs evolve and change all the time. Keeping a list of all the times Anet made a change to the game should be longer.

Are you also advocating that they said there would be energy potions in the game and there are not energy potions in the game. Why isn’t that on your list. I’ll tell you why.

You want to pick on the things Anet changed that you don’t like, without balancing it out by listing the things Anet has said that they’ve changed that people do like. Here’s another example.

Colin said straight out there would be no way to walk in the game only run. He said that it’s a quote. And then, due to people complaining, Anet added walk. It was a lie, right?

How about when Anet said there would be no way to change eye color that they couldn’t do it. And then Anet put changing eye color in the game, again due to the outcry from fans. How come that’s in your list. Anet said one thing but they did something else.

All MMOs evolve and change. Energy potions, eye color, the ability to walk instead of run are some examples and I can find probably dozens more.

If this is all Anet “lied about” in the years since the game’s inception, they have a pretty kitten good track record.

And I don’t see this thread as productive, just something that will start arguments for no reason. I think the mods should close it.