Guild Wars 2

Miss Firesss.3704:

Complaining because DH is taking entire maps?!?!?! IS that not the point of WvW? Am I missing something here?

Yeah, we were in FC, hardly saw a soul and were kind of disappointed. I can’t speak for everyone, but I personally would rather have an open field battle with equal numbers, than one server rolling over another server, that’s no fun.

Well, I would say the point of WvW is having fun. Winning is fun, but I doubt it’s fun to win against people that won’t play with you.

melodey.4652:

But I was pretty wowed by IOJ’s zerg when they took back bay. Is [CORE] new or just bigger? Don’t remember seeing as many of you guys as before.

Also hello Fergs! I’ll be doing a lot of roaming this week, glad to fight some new faces and get to know your guilds.

[CORE] is a little over a month old, so you wouldn’t have seen any of us before. And if I tag up, we get decent numbers on almost any map (teh pugs love meh). We had some good fights on your BL – was fun. Too bad we couldn’t do 3 maps after our primetime ended, otherwise I would have holed up in your hills (was working on a WP when you guys took it back).

melodey.4652:

DH was on fire this reset, and it wasn’t just turnout. At one point I think [PD], [FG], [jade], and [Abys] were all coordinating defense and offense in the same BL. Good stuff, but I guess glicko gave us a bit of an overkill reset this time around. We did end up disbanded fairly early to dolyak tonics and dungeons and the pvp arena for my guild’s end though.

Your numbers were fine during the actual reset. What I’m more referring to is you guys having a queue in EB all the way until 4:30 AM CDT. [Abys], do you go to sleep? I had about 15 [CORE] left at that point and our Friday-night guys decided to run everytime we zerg fought. So the same 25 people ran in to get annihilated repeatedly.

And if you’re going to treb our EB keep into another dimension, either take the kitten thing or stop attacking it. Sat there half-asleep staring at you guys for 2 hours until it fortified. I even tried to party with some DH to figure out who your commander was, so I might be able to kitten them off and have them do something.

torridstoic.7492:

Look at Millenium. We’re projected to lose 56k at this rate. So yes, we really do need to “capture all of EB, all of FC’s BL and have half of your BL.”

Welcome to WvW.

I guess I’ll give you that. I don’t think I’m too much of a fan of this system. Starting at about rank 15 and up, I think WvW gets really competitive and everyone has pretty similar numbers of those that they are generally matched up with. Below that, we might have similar numbers in certain times of the day, but don’t really have the coverage the rest of the time. Was getting frustrated at the time having been leading from reset to almost 5 AM and still getting stomped.

I was kind of hoping that if we were matched against you guys, that maybe the 2nd world would be GoM or another highly-populated world that might be able to relieve some pressure off of IoJ. I think the world that got really kittened here was FC. After they lost SM, last night was Giant World vs World vs an NPC camp.

Grimno.6172:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Grimno.6172:

Tukmolytes.3467:

What is ZL? Zoomlock?

Yup.

Lots of reports/screenshots coming in of IOJ AC’s spotting, attacking and hitting elevated locations and seige DIRECTLY from places they shouldn’t be able to, or shouldn’t even be able to see.

LOTS, of reports.

Feel free to send these screenshots to an IoJ member so we can make these “accusations” public on our forums and start naming and shaming

That is assuming theyre legit

Speak to a member of Abyss. They have the pics, I can’t access the website gallery they linked in TS3 as I’m not a member.

We also had an incident with a thief in Klovan even though the walls/gate was up, but we believe he was already in there since he was able to cloak quite a long time.

Not really sure what’s going on.
Some SS’s should be that our Inner Keep’s staircase was being hit by AC’s located down by the Watergate. Among others.

That was me using that arrow cart, but it wasn’t a zoomhack . . .

First off, the extended radius will make an AC hit 85% of that WG anyway. Also, arrow carts make circles straight down, so just targeting the wall that the stairs are on hits most of the area directly in front of your WG.

Secondly, there is a little dip in the rocks off to the far side that lets you see slightly around a corner. It’s a little tight, but all you need is 1 pixel to target on.

If you’re referring to the actual staircase, you can view that from pretty much anywhere on the WG, since it is elevated. That’s actually the easiest area to hit. The hardest area is directly behind the gate, or at the bottom of the staircase. But extended AC radius hits most of that area anyway, and you can also target the walls.

Really though, I can show you exactly how it is done, or you can try for yourself. If you have screenshots, then place an AC where I did and have your best AC users try and play with the camera angles a bit. PM me and I can show you.

Well, this isn’t going to be much fun.

Sorry FC, still rooting for you guys. But you might want to defend your entire BL / Corner of EB over SM next time. You get pushed out and we get focused on entirely by DH. You had the numbers to do it for sure. I was trying to ninja SM from you with 20 when out of nowhere you had 75-100 people hit us from behind lol. Really though, we were hitting DR pretty hard for a few hours. I was hoping you might capitalize on it, but choosing SM over your entire BL . . . :\

DH, what are you guys doing? I understand it’s fun to come out strong on a reset, but you do realize that you’re going to make both FC and IoJ just want to give up, right? I’m not to keen on an essential 1v1 with DH because you demoralized FC enough to where they don’t show up at all. You keep going at this rate, and nobody is going to be in WvW. Do you really need to capture all of EB, all of FC’s BL, and have half of our BL? If you keep it up, I think you’re going to have an entire week of absolutely nothing.

Also, if you’re going to spend 2 hours throwing hell down on our EB keep, at least charge the thing. We had outer gate, 2 outer walls, and 2 inner walls down. On top of that, you easily had 3x our people. Even then, you had 2 trebs and 3 catapults hitting right around the choke points. And you wiped all our siege. All that and you sat there long enough staring us down for the blasted thing to fortify, only to start trebbing it into oblivion again.

On a more positive note, CORE had some good fights with you in your BL. Not sure why you hopped maps after we wiped you once though :\ . Or why you had literally 10 people in DRBL at reset. . .

Tots.3056:

This is fun for you!? Come on it’s been like 25 minutes now and you all are just sitting there. 1 treb and a foritified wall? Surely there’s something better to do with that time.

Sitting on a treb for 30 minutes? Nope. Having 20 people knock down your garri’s WG while you are focused intently on the wall that is getting trebbed? Yes. And it was especially fun to take your longest-held asset in WvW at the time.

I almost felt bad for you all though. If you all got pushed out of EB, I would assume all your WvWers would be in DR BL. Looks like they just left, though. What happened? Normally DR defends their BL with the ferocity of a mother bear and her cubs.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Primefactor.7621:

Next time you cheat, at least take the tower LOL

This is your first week in WvW isn’t it?

Well, it is a legitimate statement. That tower was held for hours when that screenshot was taken. So unless DDLG and TRON had a really, really dedicated person in that tower that chose not to reveal themselves until DR was knocking on the gate . . .

Blodeuyn.2751:

It is sad when the forums are more interesting than the actual game. Usually GOM and IOJ provide the DRBL regulars with some excitement and I am sorry to see this week has been so quiet.

Well, I’ll give you guys this: you defend your borderlands really, really well. Too bad you missed it; the only thing you had left on DRBL a little while ago was Hills.

CrazyCanuck.4265:

While it is great to see that HARD and CORE have come a long way in that last few months and are actually decently coordinated, there is a lot more to the game than portal bombs and might stacks that IoJ misses by not having any small to medium size roaming groups that actually require more than pressing 1 to win. Despite DDLG having the equivalent 30-40 man potential zergs, their core 10-20 members have had a lot of experience running with smaller groups and roaming, which makes them a lot more of a threat than just their numbers alone. Defend your zergs all you want and continue to think that small group/roaming gives nothing to WvW, but if you actually care about being more than just a might stacking zergball than you will see there is a lot more to the game. I really dont care about points so don’t think this post has anything to do with DR losing. I, and a huge majority of DR, just wants to see some good fights, and this week has been everything but that.

Also cheers on the win GoM, and IoJ giving us 25 ppt.

So many things wrong with this. CORE is hardly a month old. When we fought you, we didn’t use a portal bomb once last night. We do stack might, but I guess you don’t see the other things we do, such as veil / flank, focus AoE on a group of clumped up enemies, strike and regroup for another strike, etc because we don’t have elitist kittens posting videos about it along with audio commentary. The only time we just mow over you is if you have no chance. If there’s a possibility of losing, we add another layer of coordination. You can’t tell me we used numbers alone to hit you all when you were in our BL.

And you had plenty of good fights. You just don’t consider them “good” because you lost the majority of them. Oh, and thanks, we wanted to make sure your BL had some excitement.

Sororita.3465:

This is what happens when the BUNS commands EB!
helps that DR bl was being loved tenderly!

Well tried trebs on Lowlands and then golems…..bam 50+ IoJ out of no where, zoidberged out of that one!

Well, once all of us in DR BL heard you got through the first gate, we all hopped over. You know, you’re not the only GoM that “zoidbergs” out. If you all stood your ground more often, I’m sure you’d give us a good wipe every now and then .

Snow Ghost.6817:

The golems did make good bait, but should not be needed when you got the numbers you guys can pull.

We are well rehearsed at open tower defense so if you haven’t come up against it before, the odds are stacked in our favor for sure. We actually only had 3 guardians, but we use our skills on rotation and call everything.

There are ways to beat us without siege, but I can’t be telling you that

Always good fun

cheers

/salute

Have your tanky melee people run up with stability while long range people remove conditions and focus AoE on the top of the stairs. Once the enemy blows most of their cooldowns, everyone else runs in.

Or you could just send 3-5 bunker ele’s set tornado #2 or #3 to autoattack and run up the stairs first. Or you get a good thief and mesmer that can stealth / tank their way up to drop a portal (kind of dangerous).

Its not that hard to figure out in theory. The hard part is application . I don’t think you’re losing any secrets here.

Tots.3056:

We had 21 DDLG in TS and I know during one push alone at the SE tower I got 20 stacks. And that was only half of you guys the other 20-25 organized people had pushed around through the tunnel while we wiped the pugs.

Regardless when you caught us in open field we were wiped, at least at the chokes we could hold our own.

Keep in mind that we were telling everyone that, if they died, to waypoint to the nearest keep immediately and run back. Which as often as we were just staring each other down, they had plenty of time to get back.

irishhaf.1692:

Meh… im off to work and as I leave IOJ is nearly untouched and we have 20+ Gom spawn camping us…
So refer back to my earlier statements… either cant or wont go after upgraded defended positions.

Well . . . You could probably blame your forum warriors for that. You’re server did kind of kitten off at least 1 major commander / guild from both IoJ and GoM. Your server might want to reign them in a bit. You have some really good WvWers on DR, but they aren’t on all that often. So your good / organized WvWers gloat on the forums whenever they accomplish something, and it leaves everyone else with the backlash.

If it makes you feel any better, GoM is going to push IoJ after they get bored spawn camping you.

Snow Ghost.6817:

I totally get what you are saying about the use of siege. If you have got it, use it.

The issue I have is that with your numbers, and I mean the CORE/HARD group, you should and could be better than you are at certain aspects of WvW.

You won’t see VP complain about being outnumbered, thats the way we like it. We only run between 8-12 guys on a regular night and like to fight the big zergs as much as we can.

Frequently, we get stomped, as is the tricky nature of poking the big beast with a sharp stick, but occassionally we manage to pull it off and wipe the big groups, and that’s what it is all about for us, that and open field fights.

The other night we were in the IoJ SE tower doing our usual open tower defence stuff. I think you guys wiped 2-3 times trying to get in. Then the siege comes out.

Arrow carts everywhere around the outside, ballistas, and extra treb hitting us inside the tower. All fair enough and fully expected. Most of which we were able to get rid of and get back into the tower.

What we have NEVER seen before, and I mean none of us in VP, was the 2 Omega golems you built in hills and came at us with next. 2 Omegas to take a tower with 10 VP in it and no walls!

Hey…. it worked

I did not think there was a limit to what is “fair” as far as siege goes, but I think that may have been getting close to it. And I really never thought I would say that.

Anyway, we are having some good fights this week and I am enjoying going up against IoJ and GoM.

/salute

There is a big difference between an organized [HARD][CORE] group and a mostly pug zerg. I’m usually in most of those organized zergs, and don’t remember omega rushing a tower with the gate already down, haha. Although if you wiped my pug zerg 3 times while we try to get up those god-forsaken stairs, I would not be opposed to building a treb right in front of you. I’d rather waste supplies than lower IoJ morale.

It’s actually kind of funny though. With the price of omegas, it’s almost as if pugs prefer to roam with them rather than themselves. I’m sure IoJ has omega rushed people very stupidly at times. I’ve had the DR pugs omega rush pangloss, and GoM pugs (actually there was a comm in one) omega rush Danelon. What makes me giggle everytime is seeing a lone omega golem trying to take a camp, and then run away when our “Blob” descends upon it.

At any rate, know that CORE is a little over a month old, and most of our members were pugs only 1-2 weeks ago. We can definitely pull out numbers, but we’re by no means were we want to be yet. We do have some really good WvW here, but the biggest thing we’ve accomplished is getting all our members to actually listen and stay in that 5×5 blob, while simultaneously getting our pugs to do it by example.

And to be fair (I forget who said it) that 5×5 blob is pretty deadly . You can’t count our numbers very well, so aren’t sure if you should stay to fight or run. It also lets me micromanage how we choose to engage, rather than just a massive and really spread out push.

And I’ll have to tip my hat off to the GoM commander that successfully got your pugs to ball up between SM, Anz, and Spelden 2 nights ago. I didn’t think you’d be able to get them balled up .

Lightsbane.9012:

Tots.3056:

Thanks CORE group running the Zerg in IoJ bl. Really made me think with the tactics. DDLG enjoys fights like that so keep it up, great pug organization on your end.

you actually had trouble with that CORE group?

Because it’s so hard to wipe a group of 15 of us with 20-25 of you initially under cannon fire, AC fire, and then having a waypoint right around the corner during the entire fight. And if I remember correctly, 7ish of us were alive for that fight far longer than we should have been.

Not that I wouldn’t have done it exactly how you all did, but it’s not really anything to brag about.

To DDLG:

I’ll give you this: the fights were fun.

Closer to the end, yes we outnumbered you pretty badly. But in the beginning, you guys outnumbered us. Somewhere in the middle of our little ZvZ session I would say we were pretty even. Also keep in mind that for many of those fights, we were pretty much half pugs. And HARD didn’t even show up until we asked for them to towards the end, since you all called in regA (not 100% if that was the guild or not) for a 2nd flanking zerg and had siegerazer giving you buffs.

Now, as far as your complaining about us not charging you goes, don’t put your ideas of victory on us. Your zerg was looking for a fight, while our objective was something entirely different.

Also, why would I charge you directly anyway? Your guild kittened me off after making a video, but that also led me know how you all operate. Why would I charge a zerg that specializes in baiting zergs and abusing rings / lines that have no cap on applications, and then bombing them with mostly tanky guardians + AoE blinds? Numbers don’t matter nearly as much when your CC hits an unlimited amount of people.

Don’t you think it is a little ironic that you call us out for cowardice if we don’t walk into your trap, while calling us out for stupidity if we do? Also, did you really think I was going to charge you head-on, only to get flanked by the other regA zerg you called in?

To DR as a whole:

Siege (including ACs and Ballis) is a mechanic of WvW. If you don’t like it, go to sPvP. My goal isn’t to have a glorious charge with nothing but an even or outnumbered zerg against my enemies. My goal is to win / make others lose. So, why would I stop using siege on you all when it kills you & caps your assets more efficiently than banging my face against you? Isn’t that also something you complain about (PvDooring)? Don’t act like you all don’t take advantage of WvW mechanics in an effort of “fairness”.

Tots.3056:

It is a public YouTube channel that is open for use by any member of DDLG. Although some choose to express their opinion in the videos they make, let it not be a reflection of the guild as a whole.

Too bad it wasn’t a GoM wipe, so that ARM would have something to suck on.

It might be a public Youtube channel, but do you guys have no system in place for accountability? It is a reflection on the guild as a whole because you allow it to take place.

If you don’t want it reflecting poorly on you, you shouldn’t have a public youtube channel and allow guild members to use it to kitten off an entire server.

Legion.1569:

Tukmolytes.3467:

What I observed in this week’s matchup.

DR – [DDLG] is not what they used to be 2-3 weeks ago when we faced them. You guys looks scattered this time and twice we rolled over your zerg. I don’t know if you guys was unorganized or IoJ got the counter for you.

GoM – Common guys! Do not WP or alt-tab godkitten it! Lets fight head on. I need to use like 3 speed buffs to chase your zerg. You got the numbers, fight like a man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z8tjO3iNAA

yeah bro you diffidently wiped us. Guildie managed to capture this video. Dont worry we wiped that same zerg again 5 minutes later without the cannons.

So you catch us off guard twice in your borderlands and make a video titled, “How stupid is IoJ”. Really classy. I was talking to one of your guildies a few weeks back and thought your guild might actually not be full of a bunch of kittens, but guess I was wrong. I like how you don’t recall us wiping you later after you threw down something like 25 build sites while we were pinned between your zerg and GoM’s tower / arrow carts.

I understand getting excited about a good wipe, which it was. I also understand you posting a video about it. But the title of that video, as well as linking it here . . . Good luck this week.

Visirale.6097:

sephiroth.4217:

A blah blah blah yadda yadda yah some sort of rage remark =P

Thanks for the bags!

<3 IOJ Legend [CORE] at the front

Good fights tonight all, looking forward to some good times this week.

Vis, that’s you standing over the person that took the screenshot! You’re famous now.

Good fights tonight, though. And I will point out something: we didn’t focus AR all night long. Many of us started out in GoM BL, and we didn’t take your bay until you guys took our hills. I don’t speak for all of IoJ, but I don’t plan on playing for 2nd unless I keep getting focused down by you all.

Consider NA Isle of Janthir.

We have quite a few Oceanics, so you don’t have to worry so much about losing everything in the middle of the night. We did have a mass-exodus in February that knocked us down for a long time, but are finally building momentum again. We rarely have queues outside of EB, unless we get most of our WvW guilds together on one map.

We do have quite a few small PvE guilds that show up to WvW, but in the past 1-2 months have created a few really good WvW guilds. Server-wide teamspeak server and website. I hope you find what you’re looking for, but if you want more info on IoJ you can always send me an in-game whisper.

Best of luck

Geiir.7603:

Valin.4527:

Eh, it’s the implementation of Stealth (in this case, it’s really invisibility) that tweaks people.

Then again pretty much invisibility in ANY PvP game ends up frustrating people – that’s just a human factor. This game is no different than others in that regard.

My only gripe is the Stealth off of gate/walls to solo contest keeps.
Kinda cheap in my mind – yes.
Game breaking – no.

It looks like thieves that move on to other professions are the only one being able to kill other thieves with that profession… Stealth is so easy to counter that it isn’t even funny. Thief is the easiest class to predict, really.

Says the Asuran Thief.

Look, you can counter bad thieves pretty easily, I admit that. But even semi-good thieves are hard to fight in WvW. A semi-good thief can make you think they’re moving 1 direction, while somehow managing to go waaaaay off the other direction. A good thief will try to burst you down, and if it fails, stealth / run away to break combat, and then come back when their CD’s are done.

The thing is, in WvW, you guys can break combat so easily its not even funny. All you have to do is trick us once in the direction you’re going, and then move the other direction. You can get a full health bar, regain initiative, and then try again the next time to burst someone down. And many of you do hit that big shiny reset button, then come back to try again. Maybe you’ll get lucky the next time and get 5 crits in a row instead of 3, who knows?

I don’t propose someone nerf thieves to oblivion, though. I will admit that probably 75% of the complaints against thieves are more about the complainer being a glass cannon or not knowing how to fight one. But there is some legitimacy to the complaints in you guys being able to break combat so easily.

Just so you know, I’m not a glass cannon, and I do know how to fight thieves. Bunker d/d ele, and I can either kill bad thieves or ignore good ones.

Using X to denote octave shifts

My Heart Will Go On
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You might have to play around with it to get the rhythm down.

A Whole new World
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SugarCayne.3098:

Couple issues with this:

1. The way block typically works, if he can’t see you, you can’t see him either. This has multiple implications, particularly in WvW.
2. It doesn’t stop them from following you around and using /say.

Honestly, it sounds like a better solution to just write up a support ticket and put it as verbal abuse. Then the player in question is gone. In-game reporting does nothing.

I honestly don’t think a change needs to happen at all. If there is one abusive player that’s been around a long time, he needs to go. Period. What you’re suggesting is a band-aid solution to a problem. If you are too lazy to be bothered to write up a ticket, then he stays around, potentially harassing other players. It doesn’t get resolved. If you fail to do so, then that’s your deal, not his.

You make the argument about a real life stalker, but in real life you’d do what? You’d go to the police, write up a report and have some kind of intervention. Same applies here. Then let Anet decide if this guy truly is harassing or not. They’re pretty quick acting about player harassment.

Others have already made tickets regarding this person, which have all resulted in nothing. For the longest time, the guy would not say anything, and just sit on the map where the most action was. He wouldn’t say anything, wouldn’t move, wouldn’t do anything except for auto-cast heal. It was no use trying to talk to him at all. I think that is why the previous tickets resulted in nothing.

Every time he was on a map, though, it seemed as if the other worlds often knew exactly where our main zerg was and exactly what we were trying to do. I don’t know what tier you are from, but for a while we were one of the lowest. When this is going on at night on a borderland with only 20 people from each side on the map . . . It’s just too convenient. Although he has started talking occasionally now to be sarcastic, there’s not enough “hard” evidence to convince ANet to do something about it.

Anyway, I really want to drop the issue about the possible spy. Can I prove that he is one? For the longest time I couldn’t, but now I’m pretty sure I can make a convincing argument. Does ANet care about spies thus far? Not that I can tell. I would more like to focus on blocking.

You are correct in considering this a band-aid solution for this problem. Regardless, this is a solution that needs to happen anyway, since its scope isn’t just this problem.

What implications are you talking about that are so bad anyway? That a commander can block people that are trolling him / her? That a non-commander can block a commander? How is that so detrimental? If they are wanting to block each other anyway, why is only one side being able to see communication beneficial to the community anyway? The very worst thing that can happen is a block wars starting. But if it comes down to something like that, blocking would make it harder for those wanting to outright troll a server anyway (such as dropping BP’s everywhere around you). I really don’t see how adding this functionality would hurt the community at all. It is a function that other games use, and when I tell people how it works in GW2 they are surprised. That is because it is implicit that when you are blocking someone that you are also blocked for them. It’s just common sense.

Seraphboi.6489:

So I’m going to play the devils advocate for a little bit.

Let’s say that I just joined WvW and the map I join only has one commander on at the moment. I run to the tag on the map and I see that the commander is leading a large zerg and doing a good job of taking objectives, wiping zergs, generally having a good time. Now let’s say I accidently say or do something to slight the commander and they block me. If your solution were to be implemented I would then be unable to see the location of the commander and the zerg, it would be hard for me to communicate with that commander and I would be hard pressed to follow that commander and the zerg they command all because the commander didn’t like me for whatever reason.

I agree that those solutions would work for people who are giving intel to the opposition, but what about everyone else the commander blocks? Blocking chat may be fine for both parties but if I can’t see the commanders tag it would be hard for me to participate with that large zerg in WvW. What are your thoughts on that?

Let’s take a look at what the original features I suggested were:

1. People you block can’t see your chat.
2. People you block can’t see your commander tag.
3. People you block can’t join your squad.

Now, you are pointing out problems #2 and #3, so I will assume you at the very least agree with #1.

Now as a commander, if someone is rude to me personally I might block them. That doesn’t mean I will do it indefinitely. Also, if a 3rd party reaches out for them and says, “Hey, you blocked X and he really wasn’t trying to be a kitten towards you,” there would be a very, very strong chance I would unblock you.

Secondly, it is not your right to have a commander to follow. I have a commander tag, but just because I have one does not imply that I have to lead you. It does work both ways; you follow me because you may like me and think of me as a good leader, and I lead you because I like you and think of you as a good follower. You can choose to not follow me, but the way it is right now, I don’t really have a choice in keeping people from following me (aside from not ever tagging up or saying things in chat).

Now if you truly weren’t trying to troll me, and I was refusing to unblock you for whatever reason, you can still easily follow me. All you would have to do is join a party and follow the party members that are also following a large zerg.

I’m sure some commanders will refuse to unblock certain people, and it might keep some players from being able to follow them. But if a commander is blocking everyone for the slightest thing, they aren’t worth following anyway in my opinion. You can still WvW without a commander; upgrade things, escort yaks, build defensive siege, start a camp-flipping team with friends, follow a different commander, etc.

For me, what this really comes down to is privacy. I think that you should be able to block whoever you want for whatever reason you want. And with that block, communication should be cutoff both ways. In real life, lets say you had a stalker. How would people react if a court told them to just ignore the person stalking them? They don’t talk to the stalker, but the stalker can still follow them around, talk around them, etc.

A change needs to happen. This halfway block is almost as good as no block at all. When you right-click someone’s name it gives you the option to “Block” them. Not just to ignore, but to BLOCK. I don’t want to not just hear what they are saying; I want them to not be able to hear what I’m saying also.

Lord Kuru.3685:

great idea — plus, it sounds relatively easy to implement, though considering Anet’s programming practices I wouldn’t be surprised if turning commander tags off for specific people turns out to be harder than it should be.

Here’s a solution to OP’s specific problem: transfer to NSP .. it seems we have a nicer community and we could use some good commanders!

Hehe, transferring me and my guild (130+ people) is not easy.

But yeah, you wouldn’t think it would be that hard to implement.

Here is exactly another reason the original features need to be implemented.

Was talking about this very same thread in LA last night. One person in particular decides to start trolling me / generally being a kitten about it (personal attacks, etc.). So I block him.

Tonight, after struggling for hours to recapture our things within our borderlands, the person that I blocked shows up. He is a guild master of a small guild with a lot of unknown commanders in it. Exactly when we need to be the most organized, this guy and all of his guildies pop their commander tags.

So we went from 1 commander in 1 area to 10+ commanders all from his guild. They decide to throw down flame ram and catapult build sites EVERYWHERE. Our WvWers, confused enough as it is, start building all of the random stuff down in the general vicinity. So just about nothing got built, and us as a server got mind-kittened for 10 minutes.

If these block features were implemented, he would have a much harder time finding out where I am. If people blocked them because they are known trolls, they wouldn’t have to see 10 commander tags pop up. I even had their guild members join my squad and start calling out confusing orders just to troll everyone.

So please, please, please ANet, implement the features I originally posted. It just isn’t fair that those I block can still communicate me and see my icon on a map. Just a response would be nice

And by the way, the person arguing against these features while also being rude about it, Deltaray.2763 is one of this guy’s guildmates. They don’t care about these features or anything, they are just being kittens and trolling on this thread.

Korgov.7645:

AggieTechGuy.4901:

Korgov.7645:

Those are good suggestions if you want to think blocking as anti-spy tool.

You could add not showing green dot on map, inability to see/use siege you have placed, upgrading or taking supplies from your claimed keep and even not displaying your character model, but these could be abused.

I smell a spy / troll >.> . Yes, obviously those are waaaaaaay overboard. The things I listed previously; I don’t really see how they could be abused much. Its just adding a bit of functionality to the feature that we already have to combat spying.

If you want to block someone, you don’t want to just block “part” of someone. You want to block the entire package.

How could the features I listed be abused in PvE? I don’t see how this wouldn’t blend well in PvE or sPvP.

I was trying to emhasize that the changes you proposed are reasonable. They won’t prevent spies hindering your server but at least it they are better than the current blocking.

As for PvE and sPvP… I don’t really care for those game modes. It is a shame you must farm gold in PvE to be able buy the commander book. Are squads even used outside WvW? To make more coordinated attacks againsts NPCs who do not fight back?

Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I think they will at least make it a bit harder for spies at the very least. And I pop my commanders tag sometimes while doing meta events and such.

Deltaray.2763:

Yes, it is unreasonable. Thats because what you’re saying is also flawed.

You may hate the person you just blocked for personal reasons other than spying, but it doesn’t mean he can’t help around in WvW. Just imagine if he got blocked by all commanders, who is he gonna follow? Just because you blocked someone that trolled you in LA, does not mean he can’t help out in WvW.

Commander tags are made so that people have someone to follow and help out in WvW and PvE. Depriving them of that because you have personal grudges with them is unreasonable,

First off, if a person got blocked by every commander in WvW, that person seriously has a problem. Secondly, you don’t need a commander to WvW; the way it is now just follow everyone else and do what they do.

You are also missing another big point. By blocking someone I am not “depriving” them of anything. I’m not saying I’m the best commander out there by any means, but I do have skills that I use for my own and others enjoyment. Don’t imply that I owe my server something because I have more knowledge of a game, and got 100 gold.

Your argument is flawed; just because I have the means to do something does not mean I have to share it. And it especially means that I do not have to share it with those that are rude to me in or out of WvW.

Now, to return to the original topic, those you have blocked should not be able to hear your communication, nor should they be able to have a map with your icon on it. While it does play its part in WvW, that is not the whole of it.

Everyone, not just commanders, should be able to do this. No matter what the reason, you should have the ability to cut off all communication with that person, not just half of it.

We are still winning even with spies. I just think that in principle, the people I block should not be able to see my tag or hear what I’m saying. They should pretty much not be able to communicate with me at all.

This isn’t just about spies, its about everything, just inspired because of a spy. Really, does this sound too unreasonable? I’m not using spies as an excuse for losing, we are winning. I’m not saying we should go on a witch hunt. I just want to be able to keep people I block from being able to communicate with me.

Just forget about spies altogether for a moment. Imagine you had someone on your server that kept whispering you and trolling you. You block them. They then follow you around and start commenting on everything you are saying.

My gut tells me that they should not be able to see your chat, see your commander tag, or join your squad. It doesn’t matter where, when, or even why – you should have the right to block off people. Its as simple as that.

Anyway, I don’t want this thread to be hijacked about a specific spy. Please try to stay on-topic. The topic are the features I listed above:

1. If I were to block someone, that person should not be able to see what I am saying in chat. The purpose of me blocking someone, in my mind, is to cut off complete communication with them.

2. If I were to block someone, I also don’t want them to see my commander’s tag on the map.

3. If I were to block someone, I would also not want them to be able to join my squad.

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If you agree or disagree with these features, share your thoughts. If you just want to talk about spying being right, wrong, unavoidable, etc., please talk about that elsewhere. Like I said before, this thread is inspired because of a spy, not about a spy. We have identified a problem, and have come up with a viable, if not perfect, solution that I believe would be relatively easy to implement.

A little off topic again but . . .

@Jayne

The person has been spamming heals at spawn waypoints for literally MONTHS . He has admitted to being a spy. He taunts us in Team Chat when we wipe. He feeds information to any other world we are fighting, not just a specific one. He trolls us. He joins my squad to personally say stuff to me, which I can’t get rid of if I want a squad going.

This isn’t a new person, he’s been on here for, once again, MONTHS, doing the exact same thing. If he is ever online, he is in the WvW map where the most action is. When he is there, enemy zergs appear places before we even get there. When nobody runs out of spawn and we do a breakout event, there are enemy zergs already camped inside.

I understand there are ways to get around spying and to work with it. But I think the features I mentioned on the original post would go a long way towards making this problem much easier to deal with. I’m not asking for perma-bans, not asking to do anything drastic. I’m just asking for the people that I block / ignore, to not be able to stalk me after I’ve done so. Is that unreasonable?

Primefactor.7621:

Mind as well put in my 2 cents in
But yeah, on a serious note I agree with Aggie, if all three of his suggestions could be implemented into the block system it would put the minds of every WvW player at EASE. Will this change destroy GuildWars2? I don’t see how =/. Will things change in game? Maybe the enemy uses scouts beforehand, maybe they have more war experience than our server… maybe it’s all crazy coincidence!!! BUT at least I will be able to sleep at night knowing that both my server and my enemies in this three-way war fought an honest fight… and also that creepy guy I blocked didn’t do anything to sabotage it.

^This

With these features in place, it will at the very least put more people’s minds to rest about spying. It would help foster a friendly environment, which as far as I can tell, is what GW2 has been pushing since day 1.

Please don’t disregard this ANet :\ . I think a large amount of GW2 players would like to see this implemented. You would definitely get my +1 if you could add this

Thanks BlazeQ. It pretty much is stalking, haha. It seems wherever I go this guy is harassing me and my friends.

And Boreas makes a good point, this guy may not be live-streaming. He could be on another audio-chat server, on the phone with someone, or he could even just be trolling the hell out of us. When it comes down to it, it doesn’t matter.

Don’t get too caught up on this one guy, how, where, when, or even why he is doing what he is. Completely apart from this guy, I think most people agree that they should be able to completely block someone off.

Don’t blow all your CC in one go . You only need to do it as needed. Stunning is best for zergs that are charging you, and chilling is best for when you are charging a zerg. Crippling works great on people that are running away.

As a long-ranged person, your job is to keep the guys in the back from running away. Use that long range and keep them in combat mode.

Also, you should swap out Lightening Flash for Signet of Earth for the toughness and the root. Keep in mind burning retreat has a similar range to lightening flash, you just have to angle your camera right.

Your build seems a bit too scattered right now. As a staff ele, you don’t need PVT for everything. If you are going for more support / CC, you should specialize into water a bit more.

lioka qiao.8734:

If you suspect you’re being spied on use their spy against them. Have your commander tag but have everyone follow a second in command in you guild. They can use the poor man’s tag (everyone calls target on him) and they can attack an objective while you use your tag to lead the spy into thinking you’re attacking something else. If the spy is a pug in your group, then you drop tag, suddenly waypoint and move everyone off to a different location using the target tag.

Which is something we’ve done… But still, off-topic.

This is more about the features of blocking rather than how to effectively spy or misinform enemies that was inspired because of known spies in our world. Nobody will know all the spies we have, but being able to block the ones that are blatantly at it seems like it should have been included with the entire block function.

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I would be flattered too, if this guy wasn’t doing what he’s doing. He sits there almost 24/7 wherever there is the most action. He has something like 40 achievement points (just so you know this is all he does). He didn’t talk to anyone for months. Now occasionally he will make fun of our server for wiping against a zerg 2-3 times our numbers. The dude creeps me out and I don’t like him: I don’t want him to have the ability to know where I am or what I’m doing on this game.

Oh, and just to demonstrate how annoying this is. I’ve blocked this person, and while I was commanding, they joined my squad. Guess what? They can talk in my squad – to me personally. So now every time I make a squad, I have to drop and recreate squads to keep this guy out.

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This is getting off-topic. Yes, this guy who I think is spying and feeding info to other servers is what inspired me to write this thread. Regardless though, these are features that should be there anyway. I honestly can’t think of a downside to implementing these.

So ANet, please consider the suggestions above. Our world and myself getting mind-kitten d by this guy. How would you like it if some psycho was staring through your window 18 hours out of the day, and then commenting on how bad you are doing?

I know you guys are busy, and applaud you for working your best on this game (great game btw). But I would really appreciate an ANet response to this if possible :-\ .

Tommy.4962:

But how would you know that that person is actually a spy? There will always be spies. Real spies won’t do or say much so how would you be able to spot them? I agree that it is unfair but it is what it is.

That’s the beauty of it. I’m not saying someone should be labelled “spy”. What I am saying is that each individual should be able to block someone, with the aforementioned features.

The argument isn’t whether or not X is a spy, the argument is what happens when you block someone.

And I’m 99% sure there is a guy live-streaming our WvW. No, I’m not 100% sure, but I don’t feel comfortable letting that person see everything that I do. I just believe I personally should be able to block anyone who I think even might be a spy. As a prominent commander in my world, it would put my mind slightly more at ease when speaking in Team or Map chat as well as even being tagged up.

Korgov.7645:

Those are good suggestions if you want to think blocking as anti-spy tool.

You could add not showing green dot on map, inability to see/use siege you have placed, upgrading or taking supplies from your claimed keep and even not displaying your character model, but these could be abused.

I smell a spy / troll >.> . Yes, obviously those are waaaaaaay overboard. The things I listed previously; I don’t really see how they could be abused much. Its just adding a bit of functionality to the feature that we already have to combat spying.

If you want to block someone, you don’t want to just block “part” of someone. You want to block the entire package.

How could the features I listed be abused in PvE? I don’t see how this wouldn’t blend well in PvE or sPvP.

WhiteAndMilky.2514:

Was expecting a QQ of somekind. But I agree on your points with the blacklisting. Also if I have someone blocked, why am I allowed to still send them whispers?…

Hehe, trying to not purposely whine on the forums :-)

But yeah, the blocked / invisibility communication seems to have some odd quirks to it. Apparently I can communicate with someone in guild chat if they are blocked to.

It might be easiest to just make person A have the behavior of being invisible to person B if A is blocked. I don’t know. But this does seem like something that could be fixed relatively easily.

Stewie.3549:

How is this even fun for you IoJ? It’s 7 in the morning and you are capping everything against our skeleton morning crew. So far this whole matchup is battle of the night crews and who has more oceanics. You’re “prime-time” can’t take a fully upgraded keep from us so why not let your oceanics do the heavy lifting when they have hardly any opposition.

I understand we (IoJ) has a very large population of oceanic people. BUT, don’t steal us prime-timer’s thunder. Just to add to the point, let me give you a play by play last night:

(Central Timezone)

9:00 We took Anz
10:00 We trebbed / took OW
11:00 We trebbed 2 walls of your keep down, then had to jump to our own BL
11:30 We come back to find that we lost our keep, recap
12:00 We get our keep back, start trebbing yours again

Sometime after that (not Oceanic time yet) we still took your keep, while your non-oceanic DR people are there defending it. We didn’t even use golems. So don’t say our oceanics are the only reason we do well, because they aren’t. We have plenty of good WvWers during primetime.

That being said, DDLG has really been fun to fight against. Our zerg fights our great :-D .

Just wanted to say good job to [DDLG] yesterday and on reset night. You guys gave one hell of a fight in your borderlands yesterday :-) .

One of my guild-mates and friends, Sassenach.1590, got banned today for supposedly selling gold or assisting with selling gold.

Earlier this morning, she and I pooled gold together for the golden title. I believe she mailed me 124 gold, which I used to get the golden title and mailed right back to her.

Considering that the only things she did previously was go to WvW and run some jumping puzzles with me, you can imagine she is very confused as to why her game account, forum account, and support account have all been permanently banned on a Friday afternoon just before the end of business hours. This is also the reason I’m writing here instead of her, because you guys not only banned her but also effectively kept her from being able to defend herself.

My theory is that you have some sort of process that automatically bans people for selling gold when they see them mailing gold between accounts. So while she mailed me 124 gold that I used to get the Golden title, your process flagged her as a gold seller.

Needless to say, we would very much appreciate it if someone could review her account and reasons for being banned.

Thank you for your time.

—Edit—

Her account was checked out and un-banned. Thanks for the feedback, and thanks to whoever looked into it :-) .

Geotherma.2395:

I’ve done that as well and increased it twice, but you cannot store account bound/soul bound items there. But also gold is pretty easy to get, and I’ve kind of run out of uses for it, so making more (for me) just doesn’t seem important.

Wow, you must have a ton of items then.

I get what you’re saying about gold though. I personally haven’t tried to make gold for a few weeks now, so all my gold is sitting on my main character. Sometimes though, it is fun in and of itself. Making gold (other than just farming) is a game in and of itself, and the more gold you have shows that you are winning. I guess having a ridiculous amount of gold for nothing is just a way of elongating your ePen.

Geotherma.2395:

I have almost 1billion kinah in Aion, but i don’t play it so it just sits there. Its not losing money tho, just taking up pixel space :P Especially since my characters are sitting on so many items that are no longer available. If I had 10-100,000 gold (probably close to the equivalent here) in gw2, I’d probably just waste it on influence or event stuff to make contests etc anyway.

I’m holding on to my gw2 items, tradeable or not. But soon I will need more bank space so hopefully they increase the cap..

You also have to think about opportunity cost. If you had 10k-100k gold sitting in your gw2 bank, in a sense you would be losing gold. While the amount of gold you have won’t be dropping, you are missing out on making gold with the gold you already have.

If you think the items you’re holding on to will increase in value, that is fine. But for just gold, you lose the potential gains by letting it sit in a bank. It’s very similar to having $1 million and putting it under your mattress, while you could invest that $1 million and get interest instead.

Side note for the bank cap. You can create your own “private” guild where only your characters are inside of it. Eventually, you can buy a guild bank and have a lot of extra storage there.

I just published a tool that helps you salvage items for gold. It downloads TP listings from GW2Spidy, then tells you what items will give you a profit when salvaged.

If you want to check it out, here is the T1-5 Salvaging Spreadsheet. You can find documentation on how to use it linked inside of that article. Enjoy

Fixed a small bug on it. If you tried it out last night and it wasn’t working, you could try re-downloading it.

Could someone please verify that it is working for them? I haven’t had any feedback yet from other people, so anything is helpful right now. Thanks

Hello everyone,

I’ve just published another tool and thought I would mention it here. It is an Excel spreadsheet that pulls TP listings from GW2Spidy, and then does some number crunching that helps you salvage T1-5 items for profit.

Essentially, it tells you what armor and some weapons that you can salvage for profit. It does not include tier 6 crafting materials (yet), but is still a good tool for those wanting to salvage tiers 1 through 5.

If you are interested, here is the link for the T1-5 Salvaging Spreadsheet.

And for (hopefully) some added credibility, I am the person that created a tool for flipping items on the TP. If you want to check that out, look up the thread titled “Tool for Flipping Items on TP”.

I haven’t had many testers try it out yet, so please let me know if you have any problems. It is a fairly simple spreadsheet, so it should work on Open Office. Also, be sure to enable the macros.

In my opinion, there are 2 things that make price differences in sell / buy orders:

1. A spike or dip in supply
2. The risk you take in flipping the item

For the dye market, you aren’t really going to have spikes or dips in supply. You might get spikes in demand, though.

I think the biggest factor for the differences in price is the risk in flipping the item. To be honest though, long-term flipping almost anything has very little risk. As long as it is semi-reasonably priced, it will eventually sell. Specifically for dyes, they can take a long time to sell. People want to make gold quickly. They won’t let buy orders sit for a long time, and they won’t like the long wait for dyes to sell. The fact that there isn’t a huge demand for dyes (as a whole) probably scares off many that play the TP, as they can invest in more liquid items.

calankh.3248:

By that logic, why are they adding new items to the gem store? That caters to current players. From Arenanet’s perspective, it doesn’t matter if I buy with gems or gold, someone still has to pay $ for the gems. I’m not asking for anything for free, merely for the current price rather than the 7 months ago price.

I maintain this would be a logical thing to offer.

Don’t assume that ANet is completely hands-off about adjusting the gem exchange rates. Even if 1 trillion gems are purchased, ANet can still artificially set a exchange rate floor. While I don’t think they are completely manipulating the exchange rates, I highly doubt they don’t touch it at all.

Artificial manipulation aside, the exchange rates are merely a reflection of people’s willingness to use actual money for in-game content. As gems cost more gold, more people will buy gems and convert that into gold. As gems cost less gold, people will use gold to get gems and sink them out of the economy with purchases. It will always eventually equalize.

For the original question, my short answer is that it is just how the world works. Sometimes to draw new customers in, businesses just have to run promotions. To stay profitable after that, those promotions have to end for customers that are going to stay.

Eventually as the number of new customers plateaus, ANet will focus more on their lasting customers. That is probably when you will see promotions on the deluxe content. Why do a promotion right now that will make 100 widgets of profit when doing it later might make 250 widgets of profit?

ANet isn’t going to care until they start getting complaints of being scammed. Even then, they may not care because you would have been the person stupid enough to send gold to a total stranger.

You do have to consider how many problems could arise, though. Playing the TP is just another form of gambling, albeit a more informed version. There will be times where you barely breakeven. What would happen if you gave gold to someone, and they lost 10% of it through sheer bad-luck?

Secondly, if the person was legitimate, it would be hard to keep track of. Think of it this way: 5 people give me 10 gold each. I started out with 50 gold, and a week later have 75 gold. Who gets it first? How do I apportion it? Also, what if someone demands their investment back after 1 day (while I currently have it sitting on bids, or waiting on items to sell)? There are just so many problems that I could think of, it isn’t even worth it. Add on top of that the fact that I’m investing my own personal gold at the same time. I would have to hire an IRL accounting firm just to keep track of it all.

I personally might do it for a friend or family member playing GW2. I also may do it for my guild as a whole (not for individuals). Other than that, though, all of the administrative stuff would make it a nightmare and not worth it.

It is probably due to supply and demand.

First off, think of all the dragons / world events people farm. If it doesn’t drop a rare, it probably drops a masterwork. Since masterwork isn’t considered the lowest rarity, people are likely more apt to post it on the TP as a policy (even if it doesn’t economically make sense).

Secondly, crafting professions don’t make blues past the first 50ish levels. Everything after that is masterwork, so that also ups the supply for masterwork items. Just think of all the people grinding their crafts up to 400 – they want to craft the cheapest items possible.

Lastly, I know that many green items are confusing to salvage. With blues, you know for certain what items will salvage into (based off of the level of the item). With greens, however, you will often find that salvaging those do not always give you the materials you are looking for. For example, a level 34 – 42 blue always gives you the corresponding T3 crafting material. If you salvage a level 34 – 42 green, you might get T2 crafting materials because the item was crafted using those. So most people that do salvage items for profit won’t salvage greens as a policy.

Sorry for revisiting an old thread, but this is something I’ve had to tell people several times.

As of now, there isn’t a time limit. Also, I have not encountered a limit on the number of items you can list (and I have listed a ridiculous amount).

There is, however, a 10% fee for listing it. For example, I met someone who thought they were cheating the system by listing rares for more than 1 gold. If someone bought it they would make a profit, and otherwise they would just take it down when they leveled up an alt.

He was pretty upset when I told him that he was paying 10% of the selling price each time he listed something for an obscene amount. When you take an item down, you don’t get that 10% fee back.

If you’re still trying to figure it out, I’ve written a guide on how to flip. Along with the guide, I have created a tool that helps out people flipping the TP do it faster.

Good luck

Helterskelter.8490:

Friendly bump. I’m in the same boat as OP here and instead of creating a new topic, thought I’d just help spread the knowledge already in this thread.

I thought I would add that there plenty of ways making gold off the TP aside from flipping. For example, I bought a few items that came from one-time events. While they were semi-expensive (15ish gold) to begin with, the price on them is only going to go up as more time passes.

Don’t just look at flipping – look at GW2’s economic system as a whole. Figure out how supply and demand affect prices. Once you start to get how it all comes together, it really isn’t hard to use that knowledge to your advantage.

If you want to know more about flipping, though, you could take a look at my comprehensive guide for flipping. It is still a work in process, but I have quite a bit of useful info for those that are starting out.

Bandlero.6312:

That’s a VERY old exploit that’s well known and been reported to Anet who knows how many times. I believe you could do it in beta too. All from that exact spot.

Ah, I never knew. I just figured I’d post it here after getting yelled at.